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1. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Manifold Pressure line (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Gust locks (Jesse Saint)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: Gust locks (Tim Olson)
4. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Good Test of cockpit lighting/Defrost Fans with Night IFR De (Tim Olson)
5. 06:43 AM - Trimming door opening flange (John Hasbrouck)
6. 08:41 AM - Wing attach sequence (Deems Davis)
7. 08:52 AM - Another paint prep question (Deems Davis)
8. 09:42 AM - Re: POM (Sam Marlow)
9. 11:07 AM - Re: POM (DOUGPFLYRV@AOL.COM)
10. 01:52 PM - Weight & Balance and POH (Ted French)
11. 04:34 PM - QB Wings question (johngoodman)
12. 05:07 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation (johngoodman)
13. 05:19 PM - Re: Another paint prep question (ddddsp1@juno.com)
14. 05:22 PM - Re: QB Wings question (David Maib)
15. 05:33 PM - Re: Wing attach sequence (Larry Rosen)
16. 05:44 PM - Re: Another paint prep question (Carl Froehlich)
17. 08:28 PM - Re: Trimming door opening flange (Jesse Saint)
18. 08:31 PM - Re: Wing attach sequence (Jesse Saint)
19. 08:32 PM - Re: Re: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation (Jesse Saint)
20. 08:53 PM - Re: Good Test of cockpit lighting/Defrost Fans with Night IFR D (KiloPapa)
21. 11:34 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
22. 11:37 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | RE: Manifold Pressure line |
Where have you been TDT? I haven't seen you on here in a long time.
If you get Van's FWF kit the manifold pressure hose and instructions will be
in it. Otherwise, you can get the instructions from "wherever it is you get
them" and see what they show. I would recommend getting the little kit from
Van's.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Manifold Pressure line
I've got a Grand Rapids EIS and the installation instructions are kind of
lacking in the area of actually hooking up the manifold pressure line to the
engine. Is the easiest way to do it just to get Van's hose kit, or is there
an alternative?
TDT
40025
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-401-2522
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We have modified the towbar that we get from Spruce to include little tubes
that fit in the rudder pedal holes, then you put the stick through the hole
in the fork between the fork and the handle, the handle against the front
seat back, the seat back forward to put pressure on the brakes and/or rudder
pedals, and the seatbelt around the stick to hold it back against to fork.
It is a little jury rigged, but it seems to work very well.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Gust locks
Has anyone come up with a good method for installing gust locks on the
rudder / flight controls?
It seems it would be a good idea if you were going to park outside for any
length of time.
-Jim
40134
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
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Hey Jim, check:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories.html
I'll perhaps shoot some photos today of a couple of them, as I've added
a little to mine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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JSMcGrew@aol.com wrote:
> Has anyone come up with a good method for installing gust locks on the
> rudder / flight controls?
>
> It seems it would be a good idea if you were going to park outside for
> any length of time.
>
> -Jim
> 40134
>
> Jim "Scooter" McGrew
> http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
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| Subject: | Re: Good Test of cockpit lighting/Defrost Fans with Night |
IFR De
Just read that article, thanks Kevin. After reading through it,
it left me only slightly mixed. On one hand, I wouldn't mind blue
lighting, and Stein has Aviation Green overhead swivels, so that
would work fine. But, for the most part, I'd say that most pilots
of our types of planes will want night vision for outside vision
to see other traffic, so red wins there. For me personally,
I don't have the concern of having red lighting making the chart
info disappear, because I use an electronic flight bag, and use
the EFIS for lots of the info too. But if someone were to highly
rely on their VFR charts, then blue might make a nice choice.
The article did leave me feeling good with the fact that the
differences between the blues and reds wasn't really that huge
in the end...and considering I'm not using NVG's I have one less
thing to worry about there. It did go over everything in depth
though, so that was great.
Blue does cost slightly more than red when you're buying, but not
a huge significant price differential. I can't say what I'd do
if I was buying everything all over again. What would be nice is
to sit in a cockpit with both lighting colors available and see
how they look. I'm not unhappy with the red for me though.
Thanks again Kevin.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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KiloPapa wrote:
>
> Here is an article on Flight Deck Lighting with some background on who
> uses what.
>
> http://208.37.5.10/hf/hf_sept-oct03.pdf
>
> Kevin
> 40494
> tail/empennage
>
>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Great info on your cockpit lighting and good timing as I am making
>> those decisions now for my panel. I recently posed the question of red
>> versus blue lighting to a friend who is an ophthalmologist, long time
>> pilot with 6 planes ( C421, C185 on floats, C150, Pitts, Fuqua jet,
>> Eclipse vlj on order. Must be tough staying current in all his toys.)
>> Without getting into a discussion of photoreceptors and how the eye
>> works, his response is "if you are primarily interested in seeing
>> outside the cockpit go with red lights. If you are more concerned
>> about reading maps, charts, etc in the cockpit go with blue lighting."
>> He uses only blue.
>>
>> Jim Berry
>> 40482 Finishing
>
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| Subject: | Trimming door opening flange |
A comment was made a little while back that trimming to the scribe line for
the door opening left the flange too short. How much would you add? Say
1/8" short of the line and then fine tune when the door are installed?
Suggestion appreciated......john
John Hasbrouck #40264
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| Subject: | Wing attach sequence |
I'm trying to get things finished off so that I can get the plane
painted. (I want to have it painted BEFORE I fly). I finished off the
wings some time ago and they are in storage at the hanger.
Question, Can I paint the wings (and fuse) prior to completing Sec 44
(wing attach)? The current plan is to retrieve the wings, paint
everything, send the wings back to the hanger, and complete Sec 44 at
the hanger as part of final assembly. I've got limited space to do the
wing attach here @ home. But I thought I'd check with you guys who've
been down the road to see if there was any reason to go through the
attach steps prior to paint. (I know there is the likelihood of some
'rash' occurring during the wing attach.)
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Another paint prep question |
I've seen pictures of some RV's that appear to have had some operation
performed to the rivet lines on the airframes bare metal skins. From the
pictures it appears that some type of powered mechanical device was
used (?). I know that some builders have chosen to fill their rivet
lines w/ body filler, I don't think I'll do that, but, I would like to
have the rivet lines appear as uniform as possible. (given my limited
set of riveting skills)
What have you guys done on this topic?
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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No worries!
do not archive
Rick wrote:
>
> Sorry bout that,
>
> I asked for the file a few months ago, Gen Grumppy did tell me he recieved the
prginal from Tim, My intent was to NOT take credit myself for the POH. Gen made
no claim to glory when he sent it to me. Need to stop those late night replies.
;)
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
>
>
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IS ANYONE WILLING TO SHARE THE RV10 POH?
THANKS
Doug Preston
40372
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Rick wrote:
(mailto:ricksked@earthlink.net)
Sorry bout that,
I asked for the file a few months ago, Gen Grumppy did tell me he recieved
the prginal from Tim, My intent was to NOT take credit myself for the POH. Gen
made no claim to glory when he sent it to me. Need to stop those late night
replies. ;)
Rick S.
40185
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List)
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance and POH |
I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
Take a look and tell what you think
Thanks
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
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| Subject: | QB Wings question |
Starting my QB Wings and I've been reading through the plans. It looks like the
first page that applies to Quick Build is the fuel senders and then the stall
warning.
Just want to make sure I didn't miss anything that wasn't done.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation |
The Dynon heated pitot/AOA looks like a good deal, but I'm guessing that the AOA
will only work with a Dynon unit, right?
Besides Advanced Flight Systems AOA, what else is out there? I've seen a vane on
a few wingtips - who is that?
John
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| Subject: | Re: Another paint prep question |
Deems,
I have been advised and seen people TAP out rivets that were hit a littl
e too hard. They do pop out very nicely if you know what you are doin
g. We have actually tapped on a few more prepping the fuse the past we
ek. Some have even gone as far as SHIMMING rivets to make it a smooth
skin ......................as there are some areas that the ribs/longer
ons are not symetrical. Depends if you are building an airplane or a MA
STERPIECE as to how much time and effort you wanna put into it. It has
been an eyeopener on guidecoating the fuse and wings to see how many pla
ces are not as flat and smooth as they appear. Once you guidecoat the
plane all the high and low spots are very evident...........fill, sand,
fill sand..............you know the drill. It does not end until final
paint is done.................I HOPE.
DEAN 40449
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and smooth as they appear. Once you guidecoat the plane all
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wings question |
That is where we started on our QB wings. Found a couple of places
where rivets were installed that should have been left out, but no
real problems. Supposed to be a couple of empty rivet holes for the
stall warning access plate doubler to be clecoed to the skin to match
drill the corner holes. If you are using the Vans pitot tube, you may
find a rivet installed in that location also. We have come across a
couple of places where it appears holes should have been drilled in
an earlier section, but were not, nut plates that would normally be
installed in an earlier section, etc. None are a problem, but makes
reading through the plans a necessary step.
David Maib
40559
wings
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On Apr 1, 2007, at 6:34 PM, johngoodman wrote:
<johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Starting my QB Wings and I've been reading through the plans. It
looks like the first page that applies to Quick Build is the fuel
senders and then the stall warning.
Just want to make sure I didn't miss anything that wasn't done.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attach sequence |
You will not be able to finish paint the wing root fairings.
Also, looking at the plans there is some match drilling and nut plate
attachment for the root fairing that may not work with the finished
paint in that area.
Larry Rosen
#256
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get things finished off so that I can get the plane
> painted. (I want to have it painted BEFORE I fly). I finished off the
> wings some time ago and they are in storage at the hanger.
>
> Question, Can I paint the wings (and fuse) prior to completing Sec 44
> (wing attach)? The current plan is to retrieve the wings, paint
> everything, send the wings back to the hanger, and complete Sec 44 at
> the hanger as part of final assembly. I've got limited space to do
> the wing attach here @ home. But I thought I'd check with you guys
> who've been down the road to see if there was any reason to go through
> the attach steps prior to paint. (I know there is the likelihood of
> some 'rash' occurring during the wing attach.)
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Another paint prep question |
Shimming fuselage ribs is a must to prevent flat spots on curves. The rule
is if you can fit a shim in between the skin and the rib, a shim is needed.
I found that perhaps only 10% or so of the tail cone rib holes needed
shimming. Shimming adds only a few seconds to each rivet and it makes a
world of difference in how well the skin curve comes out.
I use scrap .032, 025 and .020, drilled/dimpled/primed and them cut into
3/4" or so squares.
Another way to do the fuselage ribs told to me by an RV-10 builder is to use
epoxy adhesive between the fuselage ribs and skins, holding together with
cleakos. After the epoxy is set then go back and install the rivets. The
idea is any gap between the skin and ribs is filled with epoxy so you don't
flatten the skin.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (300 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:14 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another paint prep question
Deems,
I have been advised and seen people TAP out rivets that were hit a little
too hard. They do pop out very nicely if you know what you are doing.
We have actually tapped on a few more prepping the fuse the past week.
Some have even gone as far as SHIMMING rivets to make it a smooth skin
......................as there are some areas that the ribs/longerons are
not symetrical. Depends if you are building an airplane or a MASTERPIECE as
to how much time and effort you wanna put into it. It has been an eyeopener
on guidecoating the fuse and wings to see how many places are not as flat
and smooth as they appear. Once you guidecoat the plane all the high and
low spots are very evident...........fill, sand, fill sand..............you
know the drill. It does not end until final paint is done.................I
HOPE.
DEAN 40449
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Trimming door opening flange |
Just a little heads up on the doors, we have seen that even though fitting
the halves together is still good, that the marks that mark the holes where
you cleco the door to the airframe (where the rivets were left out) do not
always hold good. We use little blocks of wood around the perimeter of the
door to get a fairly equal spacing and then drill to match the rivet holes.
We have seen the scribe marks as much as 3/4 in off, which would make for a
horribly-fitting door.
Hope this may help some.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:42 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trimming door opening flange
A comment was made a little while back that trimming to the scribe line for
the door opening left the flange too short. How much would you add? Say
1/8" short of the line and then fine tune when the door are installed?
Suggestion appreciated......john
John Hasbrouck #40264
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| Subject: | Wing attach sequence |
I don't see any reason this can't be done. The angles that hold the wing
attach fairing could be riveted before or after painting since you don't see
them. You will have to go back and paint the fairings themselves, of
course. Also, the flaps will need to be filed down to match the fuse, so
you might end up scratching the fuse side where the flap hits it, and you
may need to touch up the end of the flap where you file (unless you are
painting white, in which case you won't even see if the end isn't painted).
Certainly would be better to do the attach first, but I don't see any really
important reason that you couldn't paint first.
Are the wingtips done or no? This may make a difference as well, but
wouldn't kill the deal, depending on how you are going to attach them.
I definitely think you should paint before flying. You will be very glad
that you did!
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wing attach sequence
I'm trying to get things finished off so that I can get the plane
painted. (I want to have it painted BEFORE I fly). I finished off the
wings some time ago and they are in storage at the hanger.
Question, Can I paint the wings (and fuse) prior to completing Sec 44
(wing attach)? The current plan is to retrieve the wings, paint
everything, send the wings back to the hanger, and complete Sec 44 at
the hanger as part of final assembly. I've got limited space to do the
wing attach here @ home. But I thought I'd check with you guys who've
been down the road to see if there was any reason to go through the
attach steps prior to paint. (I know there is the likelihood of some
'rash' occurring during the wing attach.)
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation |
It will only work with the Dynon. I can't speak to the AFS system at all.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation
The Dynon heated pitot/AOA looks like a good deal, but I'm guessing that the
AOA will only work with a Dynon unit, right?
Besides Advanced Flight Systems AOA, what else is out there? I've seen a
vane on a few wingtips - who is that?
John
--------
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N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Good Test of cockpit lighting/Defrost Fans with Night IFR |
D
A couple of items in the article caught my eye: the red lights make for more difficult
viewing for those people of the age to need reading glasses, and that
the commercial planes mostly use low intensity white lighting.
Kevin
40494
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains RV10-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV10-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV10-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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