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1. 12:11 AM - Re: Weight & Balance and POH (RV_10)
2. 04:22 AM - Re: Weight & Balance and POH (Rob Kermanj)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: Wing attach sequence (Wayne Edgerton)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: Wing attach sequence (Deems Davis)
5. 06:35 AM - Re: Weight & Balance and POH (Ted French)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: Weight & Balance and POH (Sam Marlow)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: Weight & Balance and POH (Tim Olson)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: Weight & Balance and POH (Sam Marlow)
9. 07:58 AM - Wiring phone and mic jacks. (John Gonzalez)
10. 07:59 AM - Weld-On 10 for sale (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 08:21 AM - Re: Zolatone (Vern W. Smith)
12. 08:58 AM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Vern W. Smith)
13. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight & Balance and POH (Pascal)
14. 10:53 AM - Re: Weight & Balance and POH (Jesse Saint)
15. 10:54 AM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (linn Walters)
16. 10:56 AM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Jesse Saint)
17. 10:59 AM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (John Gonzalez)
18. 11:10 AM - Re: Weight & Balance and POH (John Jessen)
19. 11:19 AM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Tim Olson)
20. 12:00 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (John Gonzalez)
21. 12:20 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
22. 12:24 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (linn Walters)
23. 12:40 PM - RV-10 Insurance renewal quote (Doerr, Ray R)
24. 01:23 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Tim Olson)
25. 01:26 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Tim Olson)
26. 01:41 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Jesse Saint)
27. 01:51 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Jesse Saint)
28. 02:00 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (linn Walters)
29. 02:35 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Tim Olson)
30. 02:35 PM - Wiring and mic jacks (Ben Westfall)
31. 02:51 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
32. 06:42 PM - Re: Wiring and mic jacks (linn Walters)
33. 07:04 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (linn Walters)
34. 07:07 PM - Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. (linn Walters)
35. 08:15 PM - Re: RV-10 Insurance renewal quote (bob.kaufmann)
36. 09:02 PM - Re: Wing attach sequence (DejaVu)
37. 10:25 PM - Re: RV-10 Insurance renewal quote (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance and POH |
Ted,
I hope I have transposed your numbers correctly to an excel spreadsheet.
If I have, I comment as follows:-
1. Your numbers suggest that you can't carry 4 adults and full baggage
because you will be overloaded and outside aft C of G
2. Your numbers indicate a potential problem with aft C of G at gross
take off if you have two adults in the rear seats. This problem gets worse
as you burn fuel.
3. There seems to be an opportunity to move some weight forward and get a
better weight and balance spread. With pilot only, you are still well aft of
the forward C of G, and at gross you are aft of the aft C of G
Regards,
John Cleary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2007 6:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
Take a look and tell what you think
Thanks
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance and POH |
I like your POH. It seems to be very comprehensive. I might steal
it to use as a guide to develop mine (that is the idea? right?).
Do not archive.
On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Ted French wrote:
>
>
> I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
> http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
>
> Take a look and tell what you think
>
> Thanks
>
> Ted French C-FXCS
> RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attach sequence |
I just finished this process and yes you have to match drill the wing
root fairing and attach nut plates to the strip attached to the wing as
well as a few on the edge of the wing, but the fairing will cover these
up like house molding. But it would be necessary to wait on painting the
wing root fairing itself because you have to take it off and on many
times, or at least I did, to get it to fit correctly and you have to
remove material to get it to fit. You would also, if you've already
painted the plane, have to mask of the side of the plane because if you
don't you will probably scratch putting on and taking off the fairing.
It's obviously easier to do this if the plane isn't painted but I
believe you could make it work after it's painted.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
getting closer
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attach sequence |
Thanks for the advice, and the motivation. I can't believe how many
apparently small items still need to be completed even after you've
finished the plans! Looks like you're zeroing in on the final drive. I
LOVE the looks of your prop! It's been a hassle on the prop for me, my
prop was originally supposed to be delivered in Nov. The hub just got
sent to Calif. Fri. so I'm guessing it will be another 2 weeks before I
get the assembled prop. Aero composites seems to have excellent
engineering, but their planning and scheduling sucks!
Deems
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> I just finished this process and yes you have to match drill the wing
> root fairing and attach nut plates to the strip attached to the wing
> as well as a few on the edge of the wing, but the fairing will cover
> these up like house molding. But it would be necessary to wait on
> painting the wing root fairing itself because you have to take it off
> and on many times, or at least I did, to get it to fit correctly and
> you have to remove material to get it to fit. You would also, if
> you've already painted the plane, have to mask of the side of the
> plane because if you don't you will probably scratch putting on and
> taking off the fairing.
>
> It's obviously easier to do this if the plane isn't painted but I
> believe you could make it work after it's painted.
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
> getting closer
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>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance and POH |
John
Correct on all counts.
I doubt that any of the 10's out there are much different. If you want four
adults in the plane, then you need to be careful what you load in the bagg
compartment.
There is an opportunity to shift weight forward during construction. I have
the 3 blade MT prop which I understand is a bit lighter than the Hartzell.
Also, my panel is a bit lighter than some I guess. Its GRT displays. Other
than that, I'm not too sure what one could do to shift the CG forward.
Still a very useable aircraft for a family with 2 kids, or one big kid.
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV_10
Sent: April 1, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
Ted,
I hope I have transposed your numbers correctly to an excel spreadsheet.
If I have, I comment as follows:-
1. Your numbers suggest that you can't carry 4 adults and full baggage
because you will be overloaded and outside aft C of G
2. Your numbers indicate a potential problem with aft C of G at gross
take off if you have two adults in the rear seats. This problem gets worse
as you burn fuel.
3. There seems to be an opportunity to move some weight forward and get
a better weight and balance spread. With pilot only, you are still well aft
of the forward C of G, and at gross you are aft of the aft C of G
Regards,
John Cleary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2007 6:49 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
Take a look and tell what you think
Thanks
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance and POH |
Just curious, what is your battery configuration?
Sam Marlow
Ted French wrote:
> John
>
> Correct on all counts.
>
> I doubt that any of the 10's out there are much different. If you want
> four adults in the plane, then you need to be careful what you load in
> the bagg compartment.
>
> There is an opportunity to shift weight forward during construction. I
> have the 3 blade MT prop which I understand is a bit lighter than the
> Hartzell. Also, my panel is a bit lighter than some I guess. Its GRT
> displays. Other than that, I'm not too sure what one could do to
> shift the CG forward.
>
> Still a very useable aircraft for a family with 2 kids, or one big kid.
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Ted French C-FXCS
> RV-10
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *RV_10
> *Sent:* April 1, 2007 11:58 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
>
> Ted,
>
>
>
> I hope I have transposed your numbers correctly to an excel
> spreadsheet.
>
>
>
> If I have, I comment as follows:-
>
>
>
> 1. Your numbers suggest that you can't carry 4 adults and full
> baggage because you will be overloaded and outside aft C of G
>
> 2. Your numbers indicate a potential problem with aft C of G at
> gross take off if you have two adults in the rear seats. This
> problem gets worse as you burn fuel.
>
> 3. There seems to be an opportunity to move some weight forward
> and get a better weight and balance spread. With pilot only, you
> are still well aft of the forward C of G, and at gross you are aft
> of the aft C of G
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John Cleary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
> Sent: Monday, 2 April 2007 6:49 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
>
> http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
>
>
>
> Take a look and tell what you think
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Ted French C-FXCS
>
> RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance and POH |
I would like to take the opportunity while we're discussing this
to ask for something. If everyone who has a POH that they're
willing to share would send it to me, just email it to me
directly. I'd like to compile a list in my TIPS area where
people can gather a dozen or more POH versions for them to use
to make their own. I heard from another builder today that
they got one that didn't have "Lean aggressively" after engine
start on it, so they added it, but then they saw that it was
on mine when I sent it...so obviously things change along the way
since mine was used as a foundation for many offshoots.
Having a variety of them available would give builders some good
food for thought as they put their own together...especially in
situations like Dan Lloyd...his would be the first Subie one
available. I won't have time this a.m. to put them out on the
website, but if you email them to me within the next day or so,
I can have a page ready tonight/tomorrow. If you send me
your W&B, I can put that in the same area. There are a lot
of creative people out there, so it's bound to generate some
good information for others. Also, if you update it, just
send me the latest and it's easy to swap in your new version.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
> I like your POH. It seems to be very comprehensive. I might steal it
> to use as a guide to develop mine (that is the idea? right?).
>
> Do not archive.
>
> On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Ted French wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
>> http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
>>
>> Take a look and tell what you think
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ted French C-FXCS
>> RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance and POH |
Good idea Tim!
Sam Marlow
Do not archive.
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I would like to take the opportunity while we're discussing this
> to ask for something. If everyone who has a POH that they're
> willing to share would send it to me, just email it to me
> directly. I'd like to compile a list in my TIPS area where
> people can gather a dozen or more POH versions for them to use
> to make their own. I heard from another builder today that
> they got one that didn't have "Lean aggressively" after engine
> start on it, so they added it, but then they saw that it was
> on mine when I sent it...so obviously things change along the way
> since mine was used as a foundation for many offshoots.
> Having a variety of them available would give builders some good
> food for thought as they put their own together...especially in
> situations like Dan Lloyd...his would be the first Subie one
> available. I won't have time this a.m. to put them out on the
> website, but if you email them to me within the next day or so,
> I can have a page ready tonight/tomorrow. If you send me
> your W&B, I can put that in the same area. There are a lot
> of creative people out there, so it's bound to generate some
> good information for others. Also, if you update it, just
> send me the latest and it's easy to swap in your new version.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Rob Kermanj wrote:
>>
>> I like your POH. It seems to be very comprehensive. I might steal
>> it to use as a guide to develop mine (that is the idea? right?).
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Ted French wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
>>> http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
>>>
>>> Take a look and tell what you think
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ted French C-FXCS
>>> RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up my
phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a diagram
which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I have the
shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white wire, white with
orange and then a white with blue and of course the sheild. The PS
engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring between the radio and
the intercom and jacks but not what each wire goes to or the makeup of what
each jack connector is. Basically what is the standard for the color codes
on the wire and which color goes on which part of the jack.
Thanks,
JOhn G. DO Not archive
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| Subject: | Weld-On 10 for sale |
Thanks to my relocation and subsequent hanger/shop build out, I have beco
me much farther behind than I could have anticipated. Because of this I fi
gure I better sell my Weld-On 10 that Van's uses to glue in the windows on
the RV-10.
According to the IPS website, the minimum shelf life of it is one year an
d it is lengthened when refrigerated. I have kept this in a 40 degree frid
ge or a sub freezing workshop since I bought it and the production date on
four of the kits is March 10, 2006 and one is April 7, 2006. They should
have another 6 months left in them.
So if you are near that point I'll sell all 5 kits for $50 with USPS ship
ping. That is an easy $20 - $25 off of Van's price with shipping and handl
ing. Please contact me off list.
Michael Sausen
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| Subject: | : RV10-List:Zolatone |
Thank you all for the input on Zolatone. I also about choked at the
price of the spray equipment and gave up on the idea until John brought
it up.
As a side note the pressure setup James mentioned below (#93305) is on
sale for $39.99 through the Harbor Freight website.
If dimples on the outside of a golf ball makes it fly better, then do
bumps on the interior of a plane make it fly better? :)
Thanks again,
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List:Zolatone
James,
Thanks for sharing this tip with us on the 10 list.
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
JAMES MCCHESNEY wrote:
>
> Hey guys-
>
> Just stumbled across this Zolatone thread on the RV Builders Hotline.
I'm
> building a -7A and plan to finish the interior with Zolatone. After
reading
> the Zolatone website I just about choked at the cost of the spry guns
they
> recommend. My local auto paint supplier sugested a "Shutz Gun" which
is used
> to apply automotive undercoatings. I wasn't convinced that this was a
good
> idea so I emailed Zolatone and got a very helpful reply regarding an
> economical Harbor Freight based alternative. The trick is getting a
gun with
> as large enough spry tip for the texture particles. Here is the text
of that
> email. Hope this helps someone.
>
> Jim,
>
> Big time bad. Don't even try it because you can't do the necessary
"sheer
> coat" then "pattern coat" to properly to install our product as
outlined on
> our web site and master catalog.
>
> Recently one outfit that does Airstream refurbish work in CO bought
this
> setup from Harbor Freight and he said it worked well. It is definitely
lower
> cost than DeVilbiss, Sata and Sharpe which have setups that sell for
$500 -
> $800.
> ---
> Harbor Freight Pressure Pot Spray Gun Setup
>
> According to an Airstream refurbisher in CO, this worked very well.
>
> www.harborfreight.com
>
> # 93305 Pressure Pot w/ Bad Gun $49.99
>
> (Buy this and don't use the gun that comes with it)
>
> # 43760 Good Gun w/ .082" Tip $19.99
>
> (1 Qt siphon gun, detach from cup and use w/ pressure pot setup)
>
> ----
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Robert Hensley, Vice-President
> Zolatone Automotive, Industrial & Marine
> Div. Surface Protection Ind. Intl.
> 3411 E. 15th Street
> Los Angeles, CA 90023
>
>
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| Subject: | Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
John,
Here is a link to an article on the AeroElectric website that may help.
Shortcut to: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/micjack/micjack.html
Vern Smith(#324 fuselage)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
my
phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
diagram
which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I have the
shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white wire, white
with
orange and then a white with blue and of course the sheild. The PS
engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring between the radio
and
the intercom and jacks but not what each wire goes to or the makeup of
what
each jack connector is. Basically what is the standard for the color
codes
on the wire and which color goes on which part of the jack.
Thanks,
JOhn G. DO Not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance and POH |
I wonder what we would do without you, Tim!
Thanks!
Pascal
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
>
> I would like to take the opportunity while we're discussing this
> to ask for something. If everyone who has a POH that they're
> willing to share would send it to me, just email it to me
> directly. I'd like to compile a list in my TIPS area where
> people can gather a dozen or more POH versions for them to use
> to make their own. I heard from another builder today that
> they got one that didn't have "Lean aggressively" after engine
> start on it, so they added it, but then they saw that it was
> on mine when I sent it...so obviously things change along the way
> since mine was used as a foundation for many offshoots.
> Having a variety of them available would give builders some good
> food for thought as they put their own together...especially in
> situations like Dan Lloyd...his would be the first Subie one
> available. I won't have time this a.m. to put them out on the
> website, but if you email them to me within the next day or so,
> I can have a page ready tonight/tomorrow. If you send me
> your W&B, I can put that in the same area. There are a lot
> of creative people out there, so it's bound to generate some
> good information for others. Also, if you update it, just
> send me the latest and it's easy to swap in your new version.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Rob Kermanj wrote:
>>
>> I like your POH. It seems to be very comprehensive. I might steal it
>> to use as a guide to develop mine (that is the idea? right?).
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Ted French wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
>>> http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
>>>
>>> Take a look and tell what you think
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ted French C-FXCS
>>> RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance and POH |
We just flew a 4-hour flight with 4 big guys and baggage with no problem.
It gets close to the aft CG, especially when you burn the tanks down, but
doesn't really go aft of it unless you start putting extra weight in the
tail to offset the "nose-heavy-ness" of the plane. That's why I won't be
putting any extra batteries back there. This plane can carry 4 adults with
bags and full fuel with no problem if you build it right. How may others
can claim that? Cirrus have 650 lbs full-fuel useful load if you are lucky.
A new Saratoga next door to us has 450 lbs full-fuel useful load. They sure
are lucky to have those extra 4 seats in the back, because it looks a lot
like a 6-place on the ground.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
John
Correct on all counts.
I doubt that any of the 10's out there are much different. If you want four
adults in the plane, then you need to be careful what you load in the bagg
compartment.
There is an opportunity to shift weight forward during construction. I have
the 3 blade MT prop which I understand is a bit lighter than the Hartzell.
Also, my panel is a bit lighter than some I guess. Its GRT displays. Other
than that, I'm not too sure what one could do to shift the CG forward.
Still a very useable aircraft for a family with 2 kids, or one big kid.
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV_10
Sent: April 1, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
Ted,
I hope I have transposed your numbers correctly to an excel spreadsheet.
If I have, I comment as follows:-
1. Your numbers suggest that you can't carry 4 adults and full baggage
because you will be overloaded and outside aft C of G
2. Your numbers indicate a potential problem with aft C of G at gross
take off if you have two adults in the rear seats. This problem gets worse
as you burn fuel.
3. There seems to be an opportunity to move some weight forward and get a
better weight and balance spread. With pilot only, you are still well aft of
the forward C of G, and at gross you are aft of the aft C of G
Regards,
John Cleary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2007 6:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
Take a look and tell what you think
Thanks
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Well, since AC wiring wasn't what earned the money for my flying
addiction, this is an opinion. ;-)
AFAIK, there isn't a color code associated with AC wiring ...... most of
the Cert'd planes use one color wire and some even use wire numbers. My
only recommendation here is to use the shield as a ground wire and
ground it both at the jack and the unit. Using the airframe as a ground
in your mic/audio wiring scheme will only invite problems later on .....
especially when the jack nuts relax a little. We're not worried about
noise coupling or ground loops here (at least I don't), but a good
ground return path. In a perfect world you should draw up a schematic
of your wiring harness, but if you find that too big a task at least do
a wiring list that has color (if you have different colors), wire size,
and what's connected on each end ...... which includes connector number
(J1, J16 etc) and pin number. If you have in-line connectors, such as
at the wing root, give them an alpha identifier that identifies where it
is ..... like W1 for wing connectors, F1 for firewall etc.
Linn
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
> my phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
> diagram which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I
> have the shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white
> wire, white with orange and then a white with blue and of course the
> sheild. The PS engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring
> between the radio and the intercom and jacks but not what each wire
> goes to or the makeup of what each jack connector is. Basically what
> is the standard for the color codes on the wire and which color goes
> on which part of the jack.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JOhn G. DO Not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
I don't know if there is a standard way that it is done. The best thing to
do is either check with the person that wired up your harness for the audio
panel and ask them. Or, you could use a continuity tester and pick one set
of wires and find out which pin goes to which wire, then use that info to
solder on the jacks.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up my
phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a diagram
which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I have the
shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white wire, white with
orange and then a white with blue and of course the sheild. The PS
engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring between the radio and
the intercom and jacks but not what each wire goes to or the makeup of what
each jack connector is. Basically what is the standard for the color codes
on the wire and which color goes on which part of the jack.
Thanks,
JOhn G. DO Not archive
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| Subject: | Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Thanks,
I forgot I have that book. How do I keep all this stuff together. Parts and
accessories on one table and other stuff on another table. Parts upstairs
under the bed. The count get less than it goes back up again.
EEEEEEGGGGHHHHH!
Where have people put the pilot and co pilot jacks so that they are not in
the way of general opporations?
John
>From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:58:10 -0700
>
>John,
>
>
>Here is a link to an article on the AeroElectric website that may help.
>
>
>Shortcut to: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/micjack/micjack.html
>
>
>Vern Smith(#324 fuselage)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:58 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>
>
><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
>
>Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
>my
>
>phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
>diagram
>
>which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I have the
>
>shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white wire, white
>with
>
>orange and then a white with blue and of course the sheild. The PS
>
>engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring between the radio
>and
>
>the intercom and jacks but not what each wire goes to or the makeup of
>what
>
>each jack connector is. Basically what is the standard for the color
>codes
>
>on the wire and which color goes on which part of the jack.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>JOhn G. DO Not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance and POH |
Yeah, a person at my airfield just bought an older Bonanza 35 (not sure the
year or model) and found that no matter how he tries, he cannot get both
kids and his wife, full fuel and baggage for a long cross country. He'd be
okay on take off, but be seriously out of CG to the rear by the time he was
wanting to land. Van's did a nice job getting this to be a real four person
plane.
do not archive
John J
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
We just flew a 4-hour flight with 4 big guys and baggage with no problem.
It gets close to the aft CG, especially when you burn the tanks down, but
doesn't really go aft of it unless you start putting extra weight in the
tail to offset the "nose-heavy-ness" of the plane. That's why I won't be
putting any extra batteries back there. This plane can carry 4 adults with
bags and full fuel with no problem if you build it right. How may others
can claim that? Cirrus have 650 lbs full-fuel useful load if you are lucky.
A new Saratoga next door to us has 450 lbs full-fuel useful load. They sure
are lucky to have those extra 4 seats in the back, because it looks a lot
like a 6-place on the ground.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
John
Correct on all counts.
I doubt that any of the 10's out there are much different. If you want four
adults in the plane, then you need to be careful what you load in the bagg
compartment.
There is an opportunity to shift weight forward during construction. I have
the 3 blade MT prop which I understand is a bit lighter than the Hartzell.
Also, my panel is a bit lighter than some I guess. Its GRT displays. Other
than that, I'm not too sure what one could do to shift the CG forward.
Still a very useable aircraft for a family with 2 kids, or one big kid.
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV_10
Sent: April 1, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
Ted,
I hope I have transposed your numbers correctly to an excel spreadsheet.
If I have, I comment as follows:-
1. Your numbers suggest that you can't carry 4 adults and full baggage
because you will be overloaded and outside aft C of G
2. Your numbers indicate a potential problem with aft C of G at gross
take off if you have two adults in the rear seats. This problem gets worse
as you burn fuel.
3. There seems to be an opportunity to move some weight forward and get a
better weight and balance spread. With pilot only, you are still well aft of
the forward C of G, and at gross you are aft of the aft C of G
Regards,
John Cleary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2007 6:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Weight & Balance and POH
I have posted my POH and W & B spreadsheet at
http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
Take a look and tell what you think
Thanks
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 ready to fly. Just need my test pilot.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Lots have them on the panel. I put mine on the forward facing portion
of the seat box face, over by the sidewall, just above the gear leg
weldment arm that comes forward to the front floor footpans. If you're
going to leave headsets in the plane, this is a location that allows you
to keep the cords to the outside, and not be able to easily kick the
plugs either. There are lots of other good locations too.
One other bit of info that sorry Linn, but I'd disagree with. You said
to use the shield as a ground and ground it on both ends to use as
the ground conductor. One step better would be to use shielded wire,
using the conductors for the terminals of the jack, but to actually
use the shield as a shield, and shield it on one end only of the wire.
That way you're actually getting a true shielded wire run to prevent
noise in your headsets. When you use both ends of the shield though,
you're basically turning it into unshielded wire.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Thanks,
>
> I forgot I have that book. How do I keep all this stuff together. Parts
> and accessories on one table and other stuff on another table. Parts
> upstairs under the bed. The count get less than it goes back up again.
> EEEEEEGGGGHHHHH!
>
> Where have people put the pilot and co pilot jacks so that they are not
> in the way of general opporations?
>
> John
>
>> From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:58:10 -0700
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is a link to an article on the AeroElectric website that may help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Shortcut to: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/micjack/micjack.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Vern Smith(#324 fuselage)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:58 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>>
>>
>>
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
>> my
>>
>> phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
>> diagram
>>
>> which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I have the
>>
>> shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white wire, white
>> with
>>
>> orange and then a white with blue and of course the sheild. The PS
>>
>> engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring between the radio
>> and
>>
>> the intercom and jacks but not what each wire goes to or the makeup of
>> what
>>
>> each jack connector is. Basically what is the standard for the color
>> codes
>>
>> on the wire and which color goes on which part of the jack.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> JOhn G. DO Not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
As you say, the PS engineering manual says to connect the shield only at the
intercom side. Tim, these other good locations, if you did it over again, is
there a better location than what you used?
John
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 13:19:21 -0500
>
>
>Lots have them on the panel. I put mine on the forward facing portion
>of the seat box face, over by the sidewall, just above the gear leg
>weldment arm that comes forward to the front floor footpans. If you're
>going to leave headsets in the plane, this is a location that allows you to
>keep the cords to the outside, and not be able to easily kick the
>plugs either. There are lots of other good locations too.
>
>One other bit of info that sorry Linn, but I'd disagree with. You said
>to use the shield as a ground and ground it on both ends to use as
>the ground conductor. One step better would be to use shielded wire,
>using the conductors for the terminals of the jack, but to actually
>use the shield as a shield, and shield it on one end only of the wire.
>That way you're actually getting a true shielded wire run to prevent
>noise in your headsets. When you use both ends of the shield though,
>you're basically turning it into unshielded wire.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>I forgot I have that book. How do I keep all this stuff together. Parts
>>and accessories on one table and other stuff on another table. Parts
>>upstairs under the bed. The count get less than it goes back up again.
>>EEEEEEGGGGHHHHH!
>>
>>Where have people put the pilot and co pilot jacks so that they are not in
>>the way of general opporations?
>>
>>John
>>
>>>From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>>>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:58:10 -0700
>>>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Here is a link to an article on the AeroElectric website that may help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Shortcut to: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/micjack/micjack.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Vern Smith(#324 fuselage)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>>>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:58 AM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
>>>my
>>>
>>>phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
>>>diagram
>>>
>>>which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I have the
>>>
>>>shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white wire, white
>>>with
>>>
>>>orange and then a white with blue and of course the sheild. The PS
>>>
>>>engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring between the radio
>>>and
>>>
>>>the intercom and jacks but not what each wire goes to or the makeup of
>>>what
>>>
>>>each jack connector is. Basically what is the standard for the color
>>>codes
>>>
>>>on the wire and which color goes on which part of the jack.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>JOhn G. DO Not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
I built a console underneath the panel and put trim indicators and
headset jacks there. But am not flying yet so can not speak to the
convenience of it long-term.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
As you say, the PS engineering manual says to connect the shield only at
the
intercom side. Tim, these other good locations, if you did it over
again, is
there a better location than what you used?
John
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 13:19:21 -0500
>
>
>Lots have them on the panel. I put mine on the forward facing portion
>of the seat box face, over by the sidewall, just above the gear leg
>weldment arm that comes forward to the front floor footpans. If
you're
>going to leave headsets in the plane, this is a location that allows
you to
>keep the cords to the outside, and not be able to easily kick the
>plugs either. There are lots of other good locations too.
>
>One other bit of info that sorry Linn, but I'd disagree with. You said
>to use the shield as a ground and ground it on both ends to use as
>the ground conductor. One step better would be to use shielded wire,
>using the conductors for the terminals of the jack, but to actually
>use the shield as a shield, and shield it on one end only of the wire.
>That way you're actually getting a true shielded wire run to prevent
>noise in your headsets. When you use both ends of the shield though,
>you're basically turning it into unshielded wire.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>I forgot I have that book. How do I keep all this stuff together.
Parts
>>and accessories on one table and other stuff on another table. Parts
>>upstairs under the bed. The count get less than it goes back up again.
>>EEEEEEGGGGHHHHH!
>>
>>Where have people put the pilot and co pilot jacks so that they are
not in
>>the way of general opporations?
>>
>>John
>>
>>>From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>>>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:58:10 -0700
>>>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Here is a link to an article on the AeroElectric website that may
help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Shortcut to:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/micjack/micjack.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Vern Smith(#324 fuselage)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Gonzalez
>>>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:58 AM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking
up
>>>my
>>>
>>>phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
>>>diagram
>>>
>>>which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I have the
>>>
>>>shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white wire,
white
>>>with
>>>
>>>orange and then a white with blue and of course the sheild. The PS
>>>
>>>engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring between the
radio
>>>and
>>>
>>>the intercom and jacks but not what each wire goes to or the makeup
of
>>>what
>>>
>>>each jack connector is. Basically what is the standard for the color
>>>codes
>>>
>>>on the wire and which color goes on which part of the jack.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>JOhn G. DO Not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Lots have them on the panel. I put mine on the forward facing portion
> of the seat box face, over by the sidewall, just above the gear leg
> weldment arm that comes forward to the front floor footpans. If you're
> going to leave headsets in the plane, this is a location that allows
> you to keep the cords to the outside, and not be able to easily kick the
> plugs either. There are lots of other good locations too.
>
> One other bit of info that sorry Linn, but I'd disagree with. You said
> to use the shield as a ground and ground it on both ends to use as
> the ground conductor. One step better would be to use shielded wire,
> using the conductors for the terminals of the jack, but to actually
> use the shield as a shield, and shield it on one end only of the wire.
> That way you're actually getting a true shielded wire run to prevent
> noise in your headsets. When you use both ends of the shield though,
> you're basically turning it into unshielded wire.
Not true. The internal wires are still shielded. One good example is
coax. The only issue with grounding the shield at both ends are ground
loop currents. There shouldn't be any 'noise' producing stuff behind
the panel to radiate anyway. Most of the older factory-builts didn't
have shielded wires ..... most likely for weight issues ...... and did
suffer from mag noise when the filters went south ...... but the
majority were rather 'induced noise' free. The electronics has come a
long ways and noise filtering is so much better that they aren't usually
a source for 'noise' anymore. I think the most common noise producers
were the strobe power supplies ..... but the noise wasn't radiated so
much as it hung on the 12V power ..... and really mucked everything up.
I liken the 'ground both ends' debate to primer wars. However, if you
do decide to wire the mic/audio stuff up with the shield grounded at
both ends, and you think that's causing a problem that you're having,
it's just one snip away from a reality check. If you don't want to use
the grounded-both-ends shield method, at least run a separate ground
wire from the jack back to the radio or audio panel.
Linn
do not archive
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> I forgot I have that book. How do I keep all this stuff together.
>> Parts and accessories on one table and other stuff on another table.
>> Parts upstairs under the bed. The count get less than it goes back up
>> again. EEEEEEGGGGHHHHH!
>>
>> Where have people put the pilot and co pilot jacks so that they are
>> not in the way of general opporations?
>>
>> John
>>
>>> From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:58:10 -0700
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a link to an article on the AeroElectric website that may help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Shortcut to: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/micjack/micjack.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Vern Smith(#324 fuselage)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>> Gonzalez
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:58 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
>>> my
>>>
>>> phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
>>> diagram
>>>
>>> which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I have the
>>>
>>> shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white wire, white
>>> with
>>>
>>> orange and then a white with blue and of course the sheild. The PS
>>>
>>> engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring between the
>>> radio
>>> and
>>>
>>> the intercom and jacks but not what each wire goes to or the makeup of
>>> what
>>>
>>> each jack connector is. Basically what is the standard for the color
>>> codes
>>>
>>> on the wire and which color goes on which part of the jack.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JOhn G. DO Not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Insurance renewal quote |
I thought some of you would be interested in my renewal quote for Insurance from
AIG. The quote from AIG was for $150,000 hull and $1,000,000/$100,000 liability
was $3,144. This was based on me now having 300 hrs total time, 200 hrs
in make and model and an instrument rating. The nearest quote to AIG was Global
Aerospace at $4,645, not even in the ball park.
Anyway, I just thought other would like to get an idea of possible rates for the
RV-10 for a low time pilot.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV (Hobbs 222 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Sorry John, "better" is a relative term...depends on your goal.
If you frequently remove your headsets from the plane, you may
want a panel mount option. If you like to have cords clear and
you have standard headsets, you may want the pilot's and the
co-pilots jacks both on the Left side of their bodies.
It all depends on your goals. Here's how I came about mine...
(have I ever told you I spent a LOT of time thinking about things
on my plane before I did them?)
I have Bose headsets with removable mic modules that can mount
either side. For my goal, I didn't want cords crossing
my body with a stick in the way. I also leave my headsets in
and connected and they use panel-jack power, so that means
I never have to unplug them normally. Because of the above,
I wanted a protected location. The gear weldment does that
well. I wanted the jacks near the sidewalls. The location
works for that. I mounted my copilot side mic's on the
RIGHT side of the headset. This means that in my plane
all 4 headsets plug into jacks towards the outside of your
body, and if you move or talk or look in the direction of
the other pilots or passengers, you have no cords, no
microphones, and nothing in your way, so you can reach
and climb and do what you want without disturbing the cord.
While that certainly sounds anal, I wanted it to be very
"smooth" in function. The only downside is with the
jacks on the outsides, you need to keep your cables
clear during entry. To fix that,I have headset hangers
just forward of the air vents, so the whole thing can hang
there away from your feet while you get in and out. This
whole design goal may not at all meet someone else's wishes...
or it may be way too nitpicky for them. It's just my way.
Similarly, in SCUBA training, for those of you who are divers,
you're always trained that weightbelt buckles have right-handed
releases, so they work right-handed either facing your buddy,
or from behind your buddy, or for yourself. When attaching
myseatbelts, I followed this theory and all of my buckles
are installed in the same orientation so that they're all
right-hand releases.
That's the cool thing about this whole project. You can
personally design things with whatever you feel your
ultimate goal is. Is my way "best"? Well, maybe to me,
but maybe not to you.....but I certainly am shooting for
whatever would be the best that I can do.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> As you say, the PS engineering manual says to connect the shield only at
> the intercom side. Tim, these other good locations, if you did it over
> again, is there a better location than what you used?
>
> John
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
PS: John, Steinair has your shielded triple if you need it, or
alternatively B&C has it too for a reasonable price. It's nice
in that it's color coded so you can wire it consistently to whatever
color code you want.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> As you say, the PS engineering manual says to connect the shield only at
> the intercom side. Tim, these other good locations, if you did it over
> again, is there a better location than what you used?
>
> John
>
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| Subject: | Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
In everything I have seen and heard, you want to isolate the jack from
ground by using the fiber washers to avoid ground loops. Using the first
and second conductor as L & R or as Mic and Key is normal with the shield as
ground (outside ring of jack). That is the way I have seen it done, I
think, but I know that you don't want to let your jack touch ground.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
Well, since AC wiring wasn't what earned the money for my flying
addiction, this is an opinion. ;-)
AFAIK, there isn't a color code associated with AC wiring ...... most of
the Cert'd planes use one color wire and some even use wire numbers. My
only recommendation here is to use the shield as a ground wire and
ground it both at the jack and the unit. Using the airframe as a ground
in your mic/audio wiring scheme will only invite problems later on .....
especially when the jack nuts relax a little. We're not worried about
noise coupling or ground loops here (at least I don't), but a good
ground return path. In a perfect world you should draw up a schematic
of your wiring harness, but if you find that too big a task at least do
a wiring list that has color (if you have different colors), wire size,
and what's connected on each end ...... which includes connector number
(J1, J16 etc) and pin number. If you have in-line connectors, such as
at the wing root, give them an alpha identifier that identifies where it
is ..... like W1 for wing connectors, F1 for firewall etc.
Linn
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
> my phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
> diagram which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I
> have the shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white
> wire, white with orange and then a white with blue and of course the
> sheild. The PS engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring
> between the radio and the intercom and jacks but not what each wire
> goes to or the makeup of what each jack connector is. Basically what
> is the standard for the color codes on the wire and which color goes
> on which part of the jack.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JOhn G. DO Not archive
>
>
--
8:54 PM
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| Subject: | Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
I do remember now that the shielded wire was a three-conductor wire
shielded, so the white was used for ground, orange and blue used for the
other two. Tim's comment helped me remember that. Don't use the shield as
ground and don't ground it at the jack or to the jack. Just ground it back
at the panel.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
PS: John, Steinair has your shielded triple if you need it, or
alternatively B&C has it too for a reasonable price. It's nice
in that it's color coded so you can wire it consistently to whatever
color code you want.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> As you say, the PS engineering manual says to connect the shield only at
> the intercom side. Tim, these other good locations, if you did it over
> again, is there a better location than what you used?
>
> John
>
--
8:54 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Jesse, that's a good point ..... the fiber washer part. That would be
ideal. Can I get a few washers from you??? :-P . Lessee, two jacks X 4
seats ..... yup, 8 should do it.
In all my years in electronics, I've never seen those washers ..... but
that doesn't mean that they don't exist, of course. Gimme a source and
part # if anyone knows.
I presently have a problem with the mic jack on my Traumahawk. It uses
the panel as ground, and the pesky nut keeps getting loose .... to the
point sometimes it won't key and sometimes no mic audio. Sheesh. The
next time I tighten it (probably the 4th time), it's going to get some
loctite!!!
Linn
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>In everything I have seen and heard, you want to isolate the jack from
>ground by using the fiber washers to avoid ground loops. Using the first
>and second conductor as L & R or as Mic and Key is normal with the shield as
>ground (outside ring of jack). That is the way I have seen it done, I
>think, but I know that you don't want to let your jack touch ground.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:54 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>
>
>Well, since AC wiring wasn't what earned the money for my flying
>addiction, this is an opinion. ;-)
>AFAIK, there isn't a color code associated with AC wiring ...... most of
>the Cert'd planes use one color wire and some even use wire numbers. My
>only recommendation here is to use the shield as a ground wire and
>ground it both at the jack and the unit. Using the airframe as a ground
>in your mic/audio wiring scheme will only invite problems later on .....
>especially when the jack nuts relax a little. We're not worried about
>noise coupling or ground loops here (at least I don't), but a good
>ground return path. In a perfect world you should draw up a schematic
>of your wiring harness, but if you find that too big a task at least do
>a wiring list that has color (if you have different colors), wire size,
>and what's connected on each end ...... which includes connector number
>(J1, J16 etc) and pin number. If you have in-line connectors, such as
>at the wing root, give them an alpha identifier that identifies where it
>is ..... like W1 for wing connectors, F1 for firewall etc.
>Linn
>do not archive
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
>>my phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
>>diagram which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I
>>have the shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white
>>wire, white with orange and then a white with blue and of course the
>>sheild. The PS engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring
>>between the radio and the intercom and jacks but not what each wire
>>goes to or the makeup of what each jack connector is. Basically what
>>is the standard for the color codes on the wire and which color goes
>>on which part of the jack.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>JOhn G. DO Not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Linn,
Those washers are in stock at Steinair.com. I bought 2 types
of them, ones for the mic and one for the headset. You
can even buy them right off this link:
http://www.steinair.com/accessories.htm
I hate to say it, but when the manufacturer specifies that
you should use shielded wire, and ground it only at one end,
and use fiber washers, you're probably going to get the best
possibilities of trouble-free operation if you do just that.
Not only was that in the PMA8000 install manual, but back
when I installed a sigtronics intercom in another plane
they specified the same thing.
Sure, you're way will possibly work, and maybe even work
ok...but for the extra couple bucks, I'd rather build the plane
to the proper standard the first time and not have to worry
about figuring out the bugs later. It was *really* nice to
fire up the plane and so far not have any wiring related
issues to chase down. Those side fuselage panels are
a bitch to get off, too, so it wouldn't be any fun to have
to chase demons.
But, you're very welcome to wire it with plain speaker cable
using household outlets for jacks, if you want. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
linn Walters wrote:
> Jesse, that's a good point ..... the fiber washer part. That would be
> ideal. Can I get a few washers from you??? :-P . Lessee, two jacks X 4
> seats ..... yup, 8 should do it.
> In all my years in electronics, I've never seen those washers ..... but
> that doesn't mean that they don't exist, of course. Gimme a source and
> part # if anyone knows.
>
> I presently have a problem with the mic jack on my Traumahawk. It uses
> the panel as ground, and the pesky nut keeps getting loose .... to the
> point sometimes it won't key and sometimes no mic audio. Sheesh. The
> next time I tighten it (probably the 4th time), it's going to get some
> loctite!!!
> Linn
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
>>
>> In everything I have seen and heard, you want to isolate the jack from
>> ground by using the fiber washers to avoid ground loops. Using the first
>> and second conductor as L & R or as Mic and Key is normal with the shield as
>> ground (outside ring of jack). That is the way I have seen it done, I
>> think, but I know that you don't want to let your jack touch ground.
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> www.saintaviation.com
>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:54 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>>
>>
>> Well, since AC wiring wasn't what earned the money for my flying
>> addiction, this is an opinion. ;-)
>> AFAIK, there isn't a color code associated with AC wiring ...... most of
>> the Cert'd planes use one color wire and some even use wire numbers. My
>> only recommendation here is to use the shield as a ground wire and
>> ground it both at the jack and the unit. Using the airframe as a ground
>> in your mic/audio wiring scheme will only invite problems later on .....
>> especially when the jack nuts relax a little. We're not worried about
>> noise coupling or ground loops here (at least I don't), but a good
>> ground return path. In a perfect world you should draw up a schematic
>> of your wiring harness, but if you find that too big a task at least do
>> a wiring list that has color (if you have different colors), wire size,
>> and what's connected on each end ...... which includes connector number
>> (J1, J16 etc) and pin number. If you have in-line connectors, such as
>> at the wing root, give them an alpha identifier that identifies where it
>> is ..... like W1 for wing connectors, F1 for firewall etc.
>> Linn
>> do not archive
>>
>> John Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
>>> my phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
>>> diagram which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I
>>> have the shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white
>>> wire, white with orange and then a white with blue and of course the
>>> sheild. The PS engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring
>>> between the radio and the intercom and jacks but not what each wire
>>> goes to or the makeup of what each jack connector is. Basically what
>>> is the standard for the color codes on the wire and which color goes
>>> on which part of the jack.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> JOhn G. DO Not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Wiring and mic jacks |
Lynn,
Stein sells the washers. Click on the accessories link on his webpage.
While were on the subject let me confess my ignorance yet again about
wiring.
I have a PMA-6000M (mono intercom) that I plan to install. At some point in
the future I might elect to replace it with a fancy stereo model. Can I use
the stereo jacks and cable now with the PMA-6000 but just hook both the L &
R wires together on the Audio High side on the intercom?
-Ben Westfall
PDX
#40579 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Insulated shoulder washers from B&C, part number S892 at $.50 each:
http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?24X358218#s892
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
Jesse, that's a good point ..... the fiber washer part. That would be
ideal. Can I get a few washers from you??? :-P . Lessee, two jacks X 4
seats ..... yup, 8 should do it.
In all my years in electronics, I've never seen those washers ..... but
that doesn't mean that they don't exist, of course. Gimme a source and
part # if anyone knows.
I presently have a problem with the mic jack on my Traumahawk. It uses
the panel as ground, and the pesky nut keeps getting loose .... to the
point sometimes it won't key and sometimes no mic audio. Sheesh. The
next time I tighten it (probably the 4th time), it's going to get some
loctite!!!
Linn
Jesse Saint wrote:
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
In everything I have seen and heard, you want to isolate the jack from
ground by using the fiber washers to avoid ground loops. Using the
first
and second conductor as L & R or as Mic and Key is normal with the
shield as
ground (outside ring of jack). That is the way I have seen it done, I
think, but I know that you don't want to let your jack touch ground.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Well, since AC wiring wasn't what earned the money for my flying
addiction, this is an opinion. ;-)
AFAIK, there isn't a color code associated with AC wiring ...... most of
the Cert'd planes use one color wire and some even use wire numbers. My
only recommendation here is to use the shield as a ground wire and
ground it both at the jack and the unit. Using the airframe as a ground
in your mic/audio wiring scheme will only invite problems later on .....
especially when the jack nuts relax a little. We're not worried about
noise coupling or ground loops here (at least I don't), but a good
ground return path. In a perfect world you should draw up a schematic
of your wiring harness, but if you find that too big a task at least do
a wiring list that has color (if you have different colors), wire size,
and what's connected on each end ...... which includes connector number
(J1, J16 etc) and pin number. If you have in-line connectors, such as
at the wing root, give them an alpha identifier that identifies where it
is ..... like W1 for wing connectors, F1 for firewall etc.
Linn
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com> <mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about
hooking up
my phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only
have a
diagram which appears to be helpful, but there is no written
info. I
have the shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain
white
wire, white with orange and then a white with blue and of course
the
sheild. The PS engeneering instructions give the schematic for
wiring
between the radio and the intercom and jacks but not what each
wire
goes to or the makeup of what each jack connector is. Basically
what
is the standard for the color codes on the wire and which color
goes
on which part of the jack.
Thanks,
JOhn G. DO Not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring and mic jacks |
Ben Westfall wrote:
> Lynn,
>
>
>
> Stein sells the washers. Click on the accessories link on his webpage.
>
>
>
> While were on the subject let me confess my ignorance yet again about
> wiring...
>
>
>
> I have a PMA-6000M (mono intercom) that I plan to install. At some
> point in the future I might elect to replace it with a fancy stereo
> model. Can I use the stereo jacks and cable now with the PMA-6000 but
> just hook both the L & R wires together on the Audio High side on the
> intercom?
>
Tying the two channels of the stereo directly together doesn't work very
well. Remember that the sound comes from a moving coil attached to a
cone. One channel may be driving the coil while the other channel
doesn't want to .... big tug of war. Here's what I do to use a stereo
input in a mono system: I take my radio aux channels and feed one side
of the stereo (I wired in a car stereo receiver) into one input and the
other stereo channel into another. The radio will do the mixing just
fine, and the intercom will distribute the converted stereo. If you're
planning on the stereo upgrade, don't forget to wire for left/right to
all the stereo jacks. You can plug the mono headsets into the stereo
jacks and it'll work fine. Most stereo headsets have a switch that
combines the L/R channels to allow use in a mono system.
If this is confusing, touch base off-list
Linn
do not archive
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> -Ben Westfall
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> PDX
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> #40579 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
Tim, this is getting a little out of hand. I wasn't really clear, I
guess. I don't want anyone to willy-nilly disregard the Mfgr's
instructions. Sometime in the past they may have had problems using the
shield as a ground path, and even though present equipment may not have
the same idiosyncrasy, the old cure remains.
What I do recommend is a ground wire from the jack ground to the unit
ground, whether it's a wire inside the shielded cable or or the shield
itself (for the adventurous) is up to the builder. I have done it both
ways with no ill effects. However, I'm not a purist all the time and
have used what wire I had on hand at the time. When doing the wiring,
there's enough different ways to 'skin the cat' that no one electrical
layout will fit everyones' needs. And that's a good thing. Whenever
you try to make one-size-fits-all, then you get trade-offs. As with any
custom installation, you may just have to see what works.
In this case, adding the extra ground wire adds weight, which affects
the economy of the aircraft ..... and all those little 'extras' add up.
My goal is to make most of the instrument panel and radio stack easily
removeable ..... which will mean extra connectors, extra wiring length,
and hose lengths. I really do hate trying to work on the backside of
the instrument panel while lying on my back in the front footwell. It's
one of my trade-offs.
Linn
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Linn,
>
> Those washers are in stock at Steinair.com. I bought 2 types
> of them, ones for the mic and one for the headset. You
> can even buy them right off this link:
> http://www.steinair.com/accessories.htm
>
> I hate to say it, but when the manufacturer specifies that
> you should use shielded wire, and ground it only at one end,
> and use fiber washers, you're probably going to get the best
> possibilities of trouble-free operation if you do just that.
> Not only was that in the PMA8000 install manual, but back
> when I installed a sigtronics intercom in another plane
> they specified the same thing.
>
> Sure, you're way will possibly work, and maybe even work
> ok...but for the extra couple bucks, I'd rather build the plane
> to the proper standard the first time and not have to worry
> about figuring out the bugs later. It was *really* nice to
> fire up the plane and so far not have any wiring related
> issues to chase down. Those side fuselage panels are
> a bitch to get off, too, so it wouldn't be any fun to have
> to chase demons.
>
> But, you're very welcome to wire it with plain speaker cable
> using household outlets for jacks, if you want. ;)
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> linn Walters wrote:
>
>> Jesse, that's a good point ..... the fiber washer part. That would
>> be ideal. Can I get a few washers from you??? :-P . Lessee, two
>> jacks X 4 seats ..... yup, 8 should do it.
>> In all my years in electronics, I've never seen those washers .....
>> but that doesn't mean that they don't exist, of course. Gimme a
>> source and part # if anyone knows.
>>
>> I presently have a problem with the mic jack on my Traumahawk. It
>> uses the panel as ground, and the pesky nut keeps getting loose ....
>> to the point sometimes it won't key and sometimes no mic audio.
>> Sheesh. The next time I tighten it (probably the 4th time), it's
>> going to get some loctite!!!
>> Linn
>>
>> Jesse Saint wrote:
>>
>>> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>
>>> In everything I have seen and heard, you want to isolate the jack from
>>> ground by using the fiber washers to avoid ground loops. Using the
>>> first
>>> and second conductor as L & R or as Mic and Key is normal with the
>>> shield as
>>> ground (outside ring of jack). That is the way I have seen it done, I
>>> think, but I know that you don't want to let your jack touch ground.
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>> www.saintaviation.com
>>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
>>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:54 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>>>
>>> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Well, since AC wiring wasn't what earned the money for my flying
>>> addiction, this is an opinion. ;-)
>>> AFAIK, there isn't a color code associated with AC wiring ......
>>> most of the Cert'd planes use one color wire and some even use wire
>>> numbers. My only recommendation here is to use the shield as a
>>> ground wire and ground it both at the jack and the unit. Using the
>>> airframe as a ground in your mic/audio wiring scheme will only
>>> invite problems later on ..... especially when the jack nuts relax a
>>> little. We're not worried about noise coupling or ground loops here
>>> (at least I don't), but a good ground return path. In a perfect
>>> world you should draw up a schematic of your wiring harness, but if
>>> you find that too big a task at least do a wiring list that has
>>> color (if you have different colors), wire size, and what's
>>> connected on each end ...... which includes connector number (J1,
>>> J16 etc) and pin number. If you have in-line connectors, such as at
>>> the wing root, give them an alpha identifier that identifies where
>>> it is ..... like W1 for wing connectors, F1 for firewall etc.
>>> Linn
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> John Gonzalez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>
>>>> Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking
>>>> up my phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only
>>>> have a diagram which appears to be helpful, but there is no written
>>>> info. I have the shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a
>>>> plain white wire, white with orange and then a white with blue and
>>>> of course the sheild. The PS engeneering instructions give the
>>>> schematic for wiring between the radio and the intercom and jacks
>>>> but not what each wire goes to or the makeup of what each jack
>>>> connector is. Basically what is the standard for the color codes on
>>>> the wire and which color goes on which part of the jack.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> JOhn G. DO Not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> *
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>> *
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring phone and mic jacks. |
I love this list!!! Thanks everyone for the URLs. I'll use them!!!
Linn
Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> Insulated shoulder washers from B&C, part number S892 at $.50 each:
>
> http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?24X358218#s892
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>
>
>
> Jesse, that's a good point ..... the fiber washer part. That would be
> ideal. Can I get a few washers from you??? :-P . Lessee, two jacks X
> 4 seats ..... yup, 8 should do it.
> In all my years in electronics, I've never seen those washers .....
> but that doesn't mean that they don't exist, of course. Gimme a
> source and part # if anyone knows.
>
> I presently have a problem with the mic jack on my Traumahawk. It
> uses the panel as ground, and the pesky nut keeps getting loose ....
> to the point sometimes it won't key and sometimes no mic audio.
> Sheesh. The next time I tighten it (probably the 4th time), it's
> going to get some loctite!!!
> Linn
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>
>
>
>In everything I have seen and heard, you want to isolate the jack from
>
>ground by using the fiber washers to avoid ground loops. Using the first
>
>and second conductor as L & R or as Mic and Key is normal with the shield as
>
>ground (outside ring of jack). That is the way I have seen it done, I
>
>think, but I know that you don't want to let your jack touch ground.
>
>
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>Jesse Saint
>
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
>jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
>www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com>
>
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
>
>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:54 PM
>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring phone and mic jacks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Well, since AC wiring wasn't what earned the money for my flying
>
>addiction, this is an opinion. ;-)
>
>AFAIK, there isn't a color code associated with AC wiring ...... most of
>
>the Cert'd planes use one color wire and some even use wire numbers. My
>
>only recommendation here is to use the shield as a ground wire and
>
>ground it both at the jack and the unit. Using the airframe as a ground
>
>in your mic/audio wiring scheme will only invite problems later on .....
>
>especially when the jack nuts relax a little. We're not worried about
>
>noise coupling or ground loops here (at least I don't), but a good
>
>ground return path. In a perfect world you should draw up a schematic
>
>of your wiring harness, but if you find that too big a task at least do
>
>a wiring list that has color (if you have different colors), wire size,
>
>and what's connected on each end ...... which includes connector number
>
>(J1, J16 etc) and pin number. If you have in-line connectors, such as
>
>at the wing root, give them an alpha identifier that identifies where it
>
>is ..... like W1 for wing connectors, F1 for firewall etc.
>
>Linn
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>Can someone direct me to a location where I can learn about hooking up
>>
>>my phone and mic jacks. The Tony Bingelles books seem to only have a
>>
>>diagram which appears to be helpful, but there is no written info. I
>>
>>have the shielded wire that Stein sold me and it has a a plain white
>>
>>wire, white with orange and then a white with blue and of course the
>>
>>sheild. The PS engeneering instructions give the schematic for wiring
>>
>>between the radio and the intercom and jacks but not what each wire
>>
>>goes to or the makeup of what each jack connector is. Basically what
>>
>>is the standard for the color codes on the wire and which color goes
>>
>>on which part of the jack.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>JOhn G. DO Not archive
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| Subject: | RV-10 Insurance renewal quote |
And that Ray is why we are trying to get Aircraft Mutual started. No matter
how safe we are, how wwell we build the other companies look at us as a
dollar sign.
Bob K 90/90 and bob@aircraftmutual.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Insurance renewal quote
I thought some of you would be interested in my renewal quote for
Insurance from AIG. The quote from AIG was for $150,000 hull and
$1,000,000/$100,000 liability was $3,144. This was based on me now having
300 hrs total time, 200 hrs in make and model and an instrument rating. The
nearest quote to AIG was Global Aerospace at $4,645, not even in the ball
park.
Anyway, I just thought other would like to get an idea of possible
rates for the RV-10 for a low time pilot.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV (Hobbs 222 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attach sequence |
Deems,
You should be able to work on the wing roots at home. I pushed the fuse
outside, temporarily attached the wings using two 3/8 bolts on each wing.
You can even attach just one wing at a time and work on it. The plane
doesn't tip over but put some saw horses underneath just in case. When
you're done for the day take the wings off and put them back in your garage.
The wings are easy to install/uninstall. It took me and my wife about
15-20minutes to attach each wing.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing attach sequence
>
>
>
> Thanks for the advice, and the motivation. I can't believe how many
> apparently small items still need to be completed even after you've
> finished the plans! Looks like you're zeroing in on the final drive. I
> LOVE the looks of your prop! It's been a hassle on the prop for me, my
> prop was originally supposed to be delivered in Nov. The hub just got sent
> to Calif. Fri. so I'm guessing it will be another 2 weeks before I get the
> assembled prop. Aero composites seems to have excellent engineering, but
> their planning and scheduling sucks!
>
> Deems
>
> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>> I just finished this process and yes you have to match drill the wing
>> root fairing and attach nut plates to the strip attached to the wing as
>> well as a few on the edge of the wing, but the fairing will cover these
>> up like house molding. But it would be necessary to wait on painting the
>> wing root fairing itself because you have to take it off and on many
>> times, or at least I did, to get it to fit correctly and you have to
>> remove material to get it to fit. You would also, if you've already
>> painted the plane, have to mask of the side of the plane because if you
>> don't you will probably scratch putting on and taking off the fairing.
>> It's obviously easier to do this if the plane isn't painted but I
>> believe you could make it work after it's painted.
>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>> getting closer
>> *
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Insurance renewal quote |
I don't know for sure, but I have heard that type certificated
aircraft of similar value, retract or not get insurance considerably
cheaper...Stuff like Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cirri, etc. (only the lower
end early SR20s would drop much below 200).
On 4/2/07, bob.kaufmann <bob.kaufmann@cox.net> wrote:
>
> And that Ray is why we are trying to get Aircraft Mutual started. No matter
> how safe we are, how wwell we build the other companies look at us as a
> dollar sign.
>
> Bob K 90/90 and bob@aircraftmutual.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:39 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Insurance renewal quote
>
>
> I thought some of you would be interested in my renewal quote for
> Insurance from AIG. The quote from AIG was for $150,000 hull and
> $1,000,000/$100,000 liability was $3,144. This was based on me now having
> 300 hrs total time, 200 hrs in make and model and an instrument rating. The
> nearest quote to AIG was Global Aerospace at $4,645, not even in the ball
> park.
> Anyway, I just thought other would like to get an idea of possible
> rates for the RV-10 for a low time pilot.
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250
> N519RV (Hobbs 222 hrs)
>
>
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