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1. 07:10 AM - Battery Cable (Lee, Myles -NEXSTAR)
2. 07:58 AM - Re: Battery Cable (John Gonzalez)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: Battery Cable (Rene Felker)
4. 10:33 AM - Re: Battery Cable (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
5. 11:31 AM - Re: Battery Cable (John Gonzalez)
6. 02:37 PM - Re: Battery Cable (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
7. 03:08 PM - Re: Got any Crack (s) ? - More questions (The McGough Family)
8. 03:12 PM - Battery cable (Fred Williams, M.D.)
9. 03:54 PM - Re: Battery Cable (William Curtis)
10. 04:22 PM - RV-10 Outline Drawings (Robin Marks)
11. 04:45 PM - Re: Battery cable (Niko)
12. 05:19 PM - Re: Battery Cable (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
13. 06:10 PM - Re: Battery Cable (Jesse Saint)
14. 06:19 PM - Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings (William Curtis)
15. 06:32 PM - Re: Battery Cable (William Curtis)
16. 06:38 PM - Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings (Jesse Saint)
17. 06:50 PM - Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings (Tim Olson)
18. 06:56 PM - Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings (Tim Olson)
19. 08:09 PM - Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings (Robin Marks)
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I am to the point of needing to run a battery cable forward to the
firewall. I am thinking of
#2 welding cable. I do not have the engine yet, so can someone give me
an estimate of
how long of a cable I need from the Battery to the starter?
Also what type and size of cable are people using? and where did you get
it?
Thanks in advance...
Myles (wiring...)
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Here the stuff. I need to check my invoices but I orderred extra as I ran
dual cables and I am sure I will be cutting the extra off.
http://www.periheliondesign.com/fatwires.htm
This stuff is Da Kin. Light and it makes relatively tight curves.
>From: "Lee, Myles -NEXSTAR" <mlee@eotek.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Battery Cable
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:59:49 -0600
>
>I am to the point of needing to run a battery cable forward to the
>firewall. I am thinking of
>#2 welding cable. I do not have the engine yet, so can someone give me
>an estimate of
>how long of a cable I need from the Battery to the starter?
>
>Also what type and size of cable are people using? and where did you get
>it?
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>Myles (wiring...)
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I just bought the Vans RV-10 wiring kit. If you would like, I could get you
the wire number and you can just order that wire pre-made.
Rene' Felker
40322
N423CF
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lee, Myles
-NEXSTAR
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Battery Cable
I am to the point of needing to run a battery cable forward to the firewall.
I am thinking of
#2 welding cable. I do not have the engine yet, so can someone give me an
estimate of
how long of a cable I need from the Battery to the starter?
Also what type and size of cable are people using? and where did you get it?
Thanks in advance...
Myles (wiring.)
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Cable |
Are you sure you want copper clad aluminum wire?
P
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Cable |
Are you sure you don't want to tell me why I don't want copper clad aluminum
cable.
>From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Cable
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:25:38 EDT
>
>Are you sure you want copper clad aluminum wire?
>
>P
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Actually, the wire is normally run from the battery contactor to the
starter contactor which is located on the upper left forward side of the
firewall. Another wire is run from the other large terminal on the
starter contactor to the starter. Not sure what the length is - kind of
depends on the exact routing under the baggage area and rear seats, but
if you're wiring the cabin section of the fuselage you've got everything
you need for that wire run.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lee, Myles
-NEXSTAR
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Battery Cable
I am to the point of needing to run a battery cable forward to the
firewall. I am thinking of
#2 welding cable. I do not have the engine yet, so can someone give me
an estimate of
how long of a cable I need from the Battery to the starter?
Also what type and size of cable are people using? and where did you get
it?
Thanks in advance...
Myles (wiring...)
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| Subject: | Re: Got any Crack (s) ? - More questions |
Deems have brought up this issue with our paint supplier here who has 40
years preparing and spraying everything from 747 to a microlight. He is
retired and just helps out home builders here. He said simple, thinned down
sealant (similar to tank sealant) that you fill the void and smear over the
window as far in as you want painted.
Once dried you can sand . Primer and top coat. I am holding off until the
plane is ready to paint.
I said what some builders were doing with adding a layer of fibreglass over
the void and he was amazed!
regards Chris
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From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Got any Crack (s) ? - More questions
>
> I have heard instances of cracking around the windows on several planes.
> I'm hoping that the procedure that Dave McNeil published will solve that
> problem. However, I'm wondering about the joint/seam between the Cabin
> cover and the Fuse. Here are 2 dissimilar materials that likely have
> different expansion properties.
>
> 1, Has anybody noticed/experienced any cracks developing along the
> horizontal joint where the cabin cover gets joined/riveted to the
> skins/longerons?
>
> 2. There is a noticeable gap between the cabin cover and the fuse, what
> have people used to fill it? (Micro? Flox? fiberglass?)
>
> 3. On the rear seam/joint where the cabin cover joins to the tailcone
> upper skin (double rows of rivets). Once again the CS 4-4's need to be
> filled. What are folks using and are you 'filling' both rows of rivets?
>
> 4. On the above (aft) joint) has anybody done any 'filler' to
> smooth/transition the curve between the tailcone and the cabin cover?
>
> 5. Has anybody experimented with fiberglass tapes over the rivet seams?
>
>
> Sorry for so many questions.
>
> Thanks for any feedback
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> Paint Prep
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>
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John;
My understanding of aluminum wire is the problem of fatigue and
breakage. Copper is much more flexible (not quite the right mechanical
term "metal fatigue"). . Also, if you look at the table, for that
length of wire, you may only save 1-2 lbs. Personally, I know where I
can shave off 10 -20 lbs of flying weight.
Dr. Fred
50515
Working on firewall. Parts alodined today.
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=0A=0AWhy not just use Mil Spec Tefzel insulated #2 aircraft grade ti
n plated copper wire?- The same as in certified ships.- What make this
CCA stuff better than that--at $6.75 per foot?=0A=0ACompare that with
$2.94 per foot from Teminal Town. (TZ-02 - MS-22759/16-02)=0Ahttp://ter
minaltown.com/Pages/Page20.html=0A=0A20 feet should do. =0A=0A
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uff. I need to check my invoices but I orderred extra as I ran =0Adual c
ables and I am sure I will be cutting the extra off.=0A=0Ahttp://www.
periheliondesign.com/fatwires.htm=0A=0AThis stuff is Da Kin. Light an
d it makes relatively tight curves.=0A=0A>From: "Lee, Myles -NEXSTAR"
=0A>Subject: RV10-List: Battery Cable=0A>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 07:59:
49 -0600=0A>=0A>I am to the point of needing to run a battery cable f
orward to the=0A>firewall. I am thinking of=0A>#2 welding cable. I do
not have the engine yet, so can someone give me=0A>an estimate of=0A
>how long of a cable I need from the Battery to the starter?=0A>=0A>A
lso what type and size of cable are people using? and where did you get
=0A>it?=0A>=0A>Thanks in advance...=0A>=0A>Myles (wiring...)
=====0A=0A
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| Subject: | RV-10 Outline Drawings |
Dear list,
In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something productive I have
traced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 using Adobe
Illustrator. I initially did this so I could start sorting thru &
sketching paint schemes. For ease of use I have converted it to a .jpg
which makes the outline a bit rough but still usable.
Robin Marks
RV-10 pieces
If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me offline
<<RV-10-Outline-Top-View.jpg>> <<RV-10-Outline-Side-View.jpg>>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable |
If one uses it properly aluminum wire is fine for aircraft. In fact I am just
looking at some long aluminum busbars for an aircraft application. They do save
some weight. The one think that I was not happy about is that one needs a
larger diameter aluminum wire for the same resistance as a copper one and my conduits
were pretty full allready. Didn't want to drill more holes to fit another
conduit.
Niko
40188
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From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 6:05:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Battery cable
John;
My understanding of aluminum wire is the problem of fatigue and
breakage. Copper is much more flexible (not quite the right mechanical
term "metal fatigue"). . Also, if you look at the table, for that
length of wire, you may only save 1-2 lbs. Personally, I know where I
can shave off 10 -20 lbs of flying weight.
Dr. Fred
50515
Working on firewall. Parts alodined today.
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Cable |
Piper installed aluminum cable in many of the cherokee's, and adding a
coating of copper does not increase the conductivity of the cable significantly.
Over time the aluminum cable eat a lot of the battery capacity in a "long"
distance...say as compared to battery connected closer to the starter. It takes
capacity from the battery more than copper would and over time the aluminum is
less effectent. So long term you'll need more "juice" and wear out battery's
maybe a little more. How much weight are you saving vs. lost capacity? Many
Piper and other certified aircraft have changed to copper cable via STC's such
a Bolger.
P
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How about a couple of measurements on the lengths of all #2 wires? That
would be very helpful.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Cable
I just bought the Vans RV-10 wiring kit. If you would like, I could get you
the wire number and you can just order that wire pre-made.
Rene' Felker
40322
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lee, Myles
-NEXSTAR
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Battery Cable
I am to the point of needing to run a battery cable forward to the firewall.
I am thinking of
#2 welding cable. I do not have the engine yet, so can someone give me an
estimate of
how long of a cable I need from the Battery to the starter?
Also what type and size of cable are people using? and where did you get it?
Thanks in advance...
Myles (wiring.)
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| Subject: | RV-10 Outline Drawings |
I think you have kinda re-invented the wheel.- Both Tim and I have outlin
es already on our sites:=0A=0ASide=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93P
aint/RV10_Paint0.bmp=0A=0AFront=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93Pain
t/RV10_Outline_Front.jpg=0A=0AWilliam=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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N FILTERING=0AX-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com> =0A=0A Dear list,
------- In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something pro
ductive I have traced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 usi
ng Adobe Illustrator . I initially did this so I could start sorting t
h r u & sketching pain t schemes. For ease of use I have converted it
to a .jpg which makes the outline a bit rough but still usable. Robin Mar
ks RV-10 pieces If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me
offline =0A <<RV-10-Outline-Top-View.jpg>> <<RV-10-Outline-Side-View.jp
g>> =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Cable |
=0A=0AThe problem is not the aluminum cable per se, but the terminati
on of those aluminum cables with tined copper lugs without some type of ant
i oxidant.- My Cessna Cardinal has an aluminum battery cable that is func
tioning just fine because Cessna, unlike Piper, terminated the ends correct
ly by using an anti oxidant paste.- When someone re-terminates an aluminu
m cable without using the paste, corrosion builds up between the aluminum a
nd the copper terminator causing high resistance. =0A=0AWhile the al
uminum cable in my Cardinal is performing just fine, I will go with the a s
tandard tinned copper cable in the -10.=0A=0AWilliam=0Ahttp://wcur
tis.nerv10.com/ =0A=0AX-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com> =0A=0APip
er installed aluminum cable in many of the cherokee's, and adding a coating
of copper does not increase the conductivity of the cable significantly.
- Over time the aluminum cable eat a lot of the battery capacity in a "lo
ng" distance...say as compared to battery connected closer to the starter.
- It takes capacity from the battery more than copper would and over time
the aluminum is less effectent.- So long term you'll need more "juice" a
nd wear out battery's maybe a little more.- How much weight are you savin
g vs. lost capacity?- Many Piper and other certified aircraft have change
d to copper cable via STC's such a Bolger. - P - do not archive
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| Subject: | RV-10 Outline Drawings |
Yes, but having a vector-based drawing is a different story. That is great
for designing paint schemes and easily changing them to full-size to get
vinyl cut for decals or paint masks.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: re: RV10-List: RV-10 Outline Drawings
I think you have kinda re-invented the wheel. Both Tim and I have outlines
already on our sites:
Side
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93Paint/RV10_Paint0.bmp
Front
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93Paint/RV10_Outline_Front.jpg
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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Dear list,
In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something productive I have
traced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 using Adobe Illustrator. I
initially did this so I could start sorting thru & sketching paint schemes.
For ease of use I have converted it to a .jpg which makes the outline a bit
rough but still usable.
Robin Marks
RV-10 pieces
If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me offline
<<RV-10-Outline-Top-View.jpg>> <<RV-10-Outline-Side-View.jpg>>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings |
Yep, William and I have them for download too. When I did my paint
scheme, for you newbies, I worked up front, side, top, and iso
views. You can download them from this page:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/paint/index.html
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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William Curtis wrote:
> I think you have kinda re-invented the wheel. Both Tim and I have
> outlines already on our sites:
>
> Side
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93Paint/RV10_Paint0.bmp
>
> Front
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93Paint/RV10_Outline_Front.jpg
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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> Dear list,
>
> In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something productive I have
> traced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 using Adobe
> Illustrator. I initially did this so I could start sorting thru &
> sketching paint schemes. For ease of use I have converted it to a .jpg
> which makes the outline a bit rough but still usable.
>
> Robin Marks
>
> RV-10 pieces
>
> If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me offline
>
>
> <<RV-10-Outline-Top-View.jpg>> <<RV-10-Outline-Side-View.jpg>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings |
Ahhh, cool, VECTOR drawings! You can still put vector layers over
the .jpgs, but for the pros, the vector drawings might be easier
to work with. Very nice.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> Yes, but having a vector-based drawing is a different story. That is
> great for designing paint schemes and easily changing them to full-size
> to get vinyl cut for decals or paint masks.
>
>
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *William Curtis
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:23 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com; rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* re: RV10-List: RV-10 Outline Drawings
>
>
>
> I think you have kinda re-invented the wheel. Both Tim and I have
> outlines already on our sites:
>
> Side
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93Paint/RV10_Paint0.bmp
>
> Front
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93Paint/RV10_Outline_Front.jpg
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> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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> Dear list,
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> In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something productive I have
> traced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 using Adobe
> Illustrator. I initially did this so I could start sorting thru &
> sketching paint schemes. For ease of use I have converted it to a .jpg
> which makes the outline a bit rough but still usable.
>
> Robin Marks
>
> RV-10 pieces
>
> If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me offline
>
>
>
> <<RV-10-Outline-Top-View.jpg>> <<RV-10-Outline-Side-View.jpg>>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Outline Drawings |
Won't be the last time I reinvent the wheel. Cept this time mine is
gunna be square.
I will post the illustrator file on one of my servers for download in
the next 12 hours or so; then notify the list.
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Curtis
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:23 PM
Subject: re: RV10-List: RV-10 Outline Drawings
I think you have kinda re-invented the wheel. Both Tim and I have
outlines already on our sites:
Side
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93Paint/RV10_Paint0.bmp
Front
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/93Paint/RV10_Outline_Front.jpg
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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Dear list,
In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something productive I have
traced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 using Adobe
Illustrator. I initially did this so I could start sorting thru &
sketching paint schemes. For ease of use I have converted it to a .jpg
which makes the outline a bit rough but still usable.
Robin Marks
RV-10 pieces
If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me offline
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