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1. 06:12 AM - Re: Battery Cable (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 06:15 AM - Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 09:34 AM - battery cable (John Gonzalez)
4. 09:48 AM - Headphone jacks and mic jacks. (John Gonzalez)
5. 09:53 AM - RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online (Robin Marks)
6. 03:27 PM - Re: battery cable (rv10builder)
7. 05:12 PM - Re: Headphone jacks and mic jacks. (John Testement)
8. 05:12 PM - Re: battery cable (Jack Sargeant)
9. 06:47 PM - Re: battery cable (rv10builder)
10. 10:28 PM - Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings (KiloPapa)
11. 10:47 PM - Re: RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online (KiloPapa)
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Yep, that's pretty much the whole goal to copper cladding the AL wire. T
his is the same reason so many house fires were started back when they star
ted using aluminum wire. It wasn't that the aluminum wire wasn't up to it,
it was that they didn't know they need to change their methods for termina
ting it to avoid the corrosion and subsequent overheating. Copper clad all
ows you to go about it like it is any other copper wire. I gave it a serio
us look but unless I was building a super stretched RV-10, the weight savin
gs didn't make financial sense to me over good ole #2 welding cable.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Cable
The problem is not the aluminum cable per se, but the termination of those
aluminum cables with tined copper lugs without some type of anti oxidant.
My Cessna Cardinal has an aluminum battery cable that is functioning just f
ine because Cessna, unlike Piper, terminated the ends correctly by using an
anti oxidant paste. When someone re-terminates an aluminum cable without
using the paste, corrosion builds up between the aluminum and the copper te
rminator causing high resistance.
While the aluminum cable in my Cardinal is performing just fine, I will go
with the a standard tinned copper cable in the -10.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Piper installed aluminum cable in many of the cherokee's, and adding a coat
ing of copper does not increase the conductivity of the cable significantly
. Over time the aluminum cable eat a lot of the battery capacity in a "lon
g" distance...say as compared to battery connected closer to the starter.
It takes capacity from the battery more than copper would and over time the
aluminum is less effectent. So long term you'll need more "juice" and wea
r out battery's maybe a little more. How much weight are you saving vs. lo
st capacity? Many Piper and other certified aircraft have changed to coppe
r cable via STC's such a Bolger.
P
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| Subject: | RV-10 Outline Drawings |
Robin,
Very nice! Been wondering when someone would finally make some vector ba
sed drawings! I would greatly appreciate a copy of that.
Michael Sausen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Outline Drawings
Dear list,
In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something productive I have tr
aced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 using Adobe Illustrator. I
initially did this so I could start sorting thru & sketching paint schemes.
For ease of use I have converted it to a .jpg which makes the outline a bi
t rough but still usable.
Robin Marks
RV-10 pieces
If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me offline
<<RV-10-Outline-Top-View.jpg>> <<RV-10-Outline-Side-View.jpg>>
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Thanks for everyones input. I would like to know what this paste is that
needs to be placed between the lug and the aluminum cooper wire of the fat
wire.
As for the aluminum wire being brittle and not being able to handle fatique,
I question where all the fatigue will be coming from in my installation of
the cable.
This fat wire is quite interesting in that as you bend it one can feel all
the individual wires moving over one another. It is quite flexible. As I
said, it is also quite light. I have used #2 welding cable on an automobile
starter motor which I made into a high launch winch for launching Large RC
gliders. That stuff is quite inflexible and is very, much, more, heavy.
Being that I am installing dual batteries with the Eggenfellner engine, I am
installing twice the amount of battery cable. Weight was a huge concern.
Please tell me about the paste which will keep my battery cable for catching
on fire like the light British destroyer did in the Faulklin Island
conflict. I wouldn't want my plane to fall out of the sky.
Here are some cable routing pics showing all the support to the cable. Huge
rubber grommet are used in stead of nylon snap bushings. Concern for
chaffing was very much considered.
Now to some unanswerred question about Radio and mic jacks.
JOhn G
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| Subject: | Headphone jacks and mic jacks. |
Here is what i am looking for.
I understand about being consistent with the wire color coating. I am
greatful for people pointing out the different elements which make up a plug
and the recepticle for the plug. Audio, PTT, and common. thanks for the likk
to the Aero Electric book..forgot I owned it.
What are the practices for the color coating on each of those elements. Blue
red and white. I own the stuff Stein sold me. Shielded 3 wire.
When I look at my PS 3000 schematic , it is not clear which color is for
what. If someone professional in the futrure works on my radio installation
I would like to have it the way it is supposed to be.
The manual says hook the shield to the intercom side only. I will follow the
directions so I do not need to know why I can do it on both ends. But where
do I hook the shield? There is no location on the intercom itself and no
place where I can tie all the shields together. Once they are tied together
do they go to the negative ground plate on the firewall.
As for the wire which will be the common wire in the schematic, how do this
all get tied together.
Having trouble figuring this stuff out even looking in the Aero electric
book and comparing it to the PS 3000 schematic.
Did anyone do there own wiring?
Thanks,
JOhn
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| Subject: | RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online |
Here is a link to the Outline Drawings to download.
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv10
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| Subject: | Re: battery cable |
In telecom we use No-Ox made by Sanchem:
http://www.sanchem.com/ox.html
It's applied to all electrical terminations using a mechanical means of
connection. Apply sparingly. If you can see it, you've applied too much!
Brian
#40308
http://www.mykitlog.com/rv10builder
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| Subject: | Headphone jacks and mic jacks. |
John,
The shields are usually tied together in a ring terminal attached to the
d-sub connector going to the back of the intercom. For a lot of connections
you might have 3 or 4 of these ring terminals screwed to the connector.
Solder sleeves are great for attaching a wire to the shield. You only want
to attach the shields at the radio side, not the jacks. And you want to
ground isolate the jacks with the nylon washers others have been talking
about.
I might suggest you talk to Stein to get some instruction on this. He was a
huge help to me. Most of my intercom and radio cables came prewired when I
bought my avionics through John Stark (a great source by the way).
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Headphone jacks and mic jacks.
--> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Here is what i am looking for.
I understand about being consistent with the wire color coating. I am
greatful for people pointing out the different elements which make up a plug
and the recepticle for the plug. Audio, PTT, and common. thanks for the likk
to the Aero Electric book..forgot I owned it.
What are the practices for the color coating on each of those elements. Blue
red and white. I own the stuff Stein sold me. Shielded 3 wire.
When I look at my PS 3000 schematic , it is not clear which color is for
what. If someone professional in the futrure works on my radio installation
I would like to have it the way it is supposed to be.
The manual says hook the shield to the intercom side only. I will follow the
directions so I do not need to know why I can do it on both ends. But where
do I hook the shield? There is no location on the intercom itself and no
place where I can tie all the shields together. Once they are tied together
do they go to the negative ground plate on the firewall.
As for the wire which will be the common wire in the schematic, how do this
all get tied together.
Having trouble figuring this stuff out even looking in the Aero electric
book and comparing it to the PS 3000 schematic.
Did anyone do there own wiring?
Thanks,
JOhn
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One of the commonly used products (and I think pretty good) is called Alox.
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: battery cable
Thanks for everyones input. I would like to know what this paste is that
needs to be placed between the lug and the aluminum cooper wire of the fat
wire.
As for the aluminum wire being brittle and not being able to handle fatique,
I question where all the fatigue will be coming from in my installation of
the cable.
This fat wire is quite interesting in that as you bend it one can feel all
the individual wires moving over one another. It is quite flexible. As I
said, it is also quite light. I have used #2 welding cable on an automobile
starter motor which I made into a high launch winch for launching Large RC
gliders. That stuff is quite inflexible and is very, much, more, heavy.
Being that I am installing dual batteries with the Eggenfellner engine, I am
installing twice the amount of battery cable. Weight was a huge concern.
Please tell me about the paste which will keep my battery cable for catching
on fire like the light British destroyer did in the Faulklin Island
conflict. I wouldn't want my plane to fall out of the sky.
Here are some cable routing pics showing all the support to the cable. Huge
rubber grommet are used in stead of nylon snap bushings. Concern for
chaffing was very much considered.
Now to some unanswerred question about Radio and mic jacks.
JOhn G
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| Subject: | Re: battery cable |
sorry..the correct link specific to aluminum cable:
http://www.sanchem.com/aSpecialE.html
rv10builder wrote:
>
> In telecom we use No-Ox made by Sanchem:
>
> http://www.sanchem.com/ox.html
>
> It's applied to all electrical terminations using a mechanical means
> of connection. Apply sparingly. If you can see it, you've applied
> too much!
>
> Brian
> #40308
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rv10builder
>
>
> .
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings |
RV-10 Outline DrawingsThanks, it will be useful.
Kevin
40494
tail/empennage
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Outline Drawings
Dear list,
In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something productive I
have traced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 using Adobe
Illustrator. I initially did this so I could start sorting thru &
sketching paint schemes. For ease of use I have converted it to a .jpg
which makes the outline a bit rough but still usable.
Robin Marks
RV-10 pieces
If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me offline
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online |
RV-10 Outline DrawingsThank you.
Kevin
40494
tail/empennage
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online
Here is a link to the Outline Drawings to download.
Robin
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv10
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