---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/05/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:12 AM - Re: Battery Cable (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 2. 06:15 AM - Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 3. 09:34 AM - battery cable (John Gonzalez) 4. 09:48 AM - Headphone jacks and mic jacks. (John Gonzalez) 5. 09:53 AM - RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online (Robin Marks) 6. 03:27 PM - Re: battery cable (rv10builder) 7. 05:12 PM - Re: Headphone jacks and mic jacks. (John Testement) 8. 05:12 PM - Re: battery cable (Jack Sargeant) 9. 06:47 PM - Re: battery cable (rv10builder) 10. 10:28 PM - Re: RV-10 Outline Drawings (KiloPapa) 11. 10:47 PM - Re: RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online (KiloPapa) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:34 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Cable Yep, that's pretty much the whole goal to copper cladding the AL wire. T his is the same reason so many house fires were started back when they star ted using aluminum wire. It wasn't that the aluminum wire wasn't up to it, it was that they didn't know they need to change their methods for termina ting it to avoid the corrosion and subsequent overheating. Copper clad all ows you to go about it like it is any other copper wire. I gave it a serio us look but unless I was building a super stretched RV-10, the weight savin gs didn't make financial sense to me over good ole #2 welding cable. Michael Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery Cable The problem is not the aluminum cable per se, but the termination of those aluminum cables with tined copper lugs without some type of anti oxidant. My Cessna Cardinal has an aluminum battery cable that is functioning just f ine because Cessna, unlike Piper, terminated the ends correctly by using an anti oxidant paste. When someone re-terminates an aluminum cable without using the paste, corrosion builds up between the aluminum and the copper te rminator causing high resistance. While the aluminum cable in my Cardinal is performing just fine, I will go with the a standard tinned copper cable in the -10. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ X-Rcpt-To: Piper installed aluminum cable in many of the cherokee's, and adding a coat ing of copper does not increase the conductivity of the cable significantly . Over time the aluminum cable eat a lot of the battery capacity in a "lon g" distance...say as compared to battery connected closer to the starter. It takes capacity from the battery more than copper would and over time the aluminum is less effectent. So long term you'll need more "juice" and wea r out battery's maybe a little more. How much weight are you saving vs. lo st capacity? Many Piper and other certified aircraft have changed to coppe r cable via STC's such a Bolger. P do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:30 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Outline Drawings Robin, Very nice! Been wondering when someone would finally make some vector ba sed drawings! I would greatly appreciate a copy of that. Michael Sausen Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Outline Drawings Dear list, In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something productive I have tr aced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 using Adobe Illustrator. I initially did this so I could start sorting thru & sketching paint schemes. For ease of use I have converted it to a .jpg which makes the outline a bi t rough but still usable. Robin Marks RV-10 pieces If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me offline <> <> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:22 AM PST US From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: RV10-List: battery cable Thanks for everyones input. I would like to know what this paste is that needs to be placed between the lug and the aluminum cooper wire of the fat wire. As for the aluminum wire being brittle and not being able to handle fatique, I question where all the fatigue will be coming from in my installation of the cable. This fat wire is quite interesting in that as you bend it one can feel all the individual wires moving over one another. It is quite flexible. As I said, it is also quite light. I have used #2 welding cable on an automobile starter motor which I made into a high launch winch for launching Large RC gliders. That stuff is quite inflexible and is very, much, more, heavy. Being that I am installing dual batteries with the Eggenfellner engine, I am installing twice the amount of battery cable. Weight was a huge concern. Please tell me about the paste which will keep my battery cable for catching on fire like the light British destroyer did in the Faulklin Island conflict. I wouldn't want my plane to fall out of the sky. Here are some cable routing pics showing all the support to the cable. Huge rubber grommet are used in stead of nylon snap bushings. Concern for chaffing was very much considered. Now to some unanswerred question about Radio and mic jacks. JOhn G ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:21 AM PST US From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: RV10-List: Headphone jacks and mic jacks. Here is what i am looking for. I understand about being consistent with the wire color coating. I am greatful for people pointing out the different elements which make up a plug and the recepticle for the plug. Audio, PTT, and common. thanks for the likk to the Aero Electric book..forgot I owned it. What are the practices for the color coating on each of those elements. Blue red and white. I own the stuff Stein sold me. Shielded 3 wire. When I look at my PS 3000 schematic , it is not clear which color is for what. If someone professional in the futrure works on my radio installation I would like to have it the way it is supposed to be. The manual says hook the shield to the intercom side only. I will follow the directions so I do not need to know why I can do it on both ends. But where do I hook the shield? There is no location on the intercom itself and no place where I can tie all the shields together. Once they are tied together do they go to the negative ground plate on the firewall. As for the wire which will be the common wire in the schematic, how do this all get tied together. Having trouble figuring this stuff out even looking in the Aero electric book and comparing it to the PS 3000 schematic. Did anyone do there own wiring? Thanks, JOhn ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:39 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online From: "Robin Marks" Here is a link to the Outline Drawings to download. Robin http://www.painttheweb.com/rv10 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:28 PM PST US From: rv10builder Subject: Re: RV10-List: battery cable In telecom we use No-Ox made by Sanchem: http://www.sanchem.com/ox.html It's applied to all electrical terminations using a mechanical means of connection. Apply sparingly. If you can see it, you've applied too much! Brian #40308 http://www.mykitlog.com/rv10builder ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:13 PM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Headphone jacks and mic jacks. John, The shields are usually tied together in a ring terminal attached to the d-sub connector going to the back of the intercom. For a lot of connections you might have 3 or 4 of these ring terminals screwed to the connector. Solder sleeves are great for attaching a wire to the shield. You only want to attach the shields at the radio side, not the jacks. And you want to ground isolate the jacks with the nylon washers others have been talking about. I might suggest you talk to Stein to get some instruction on this. He was a huge help to me. Most of my intercom and radio cables came prewired when I bought my avionics through John Stark (a great source by the way). John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: RV10-List: Headphone jacks and mic jacks. --> Here is what i am looking for. I understand about being consistent with the wire color coating. I am greatful for people pointing out the different elements which make up a plug and the recepticle for the plug. Audio, PTT, and common. thanks for the likk to the Aero Electric book..forgot I owned it. What are the practices for the color coating on each of those elements. Blue red and white. I own the stuff Stein sold me. Shielded 3 wire. When I look at my PS 3000 schematic , it is not clear which color is for what. If someone professional in the futrure works on my radio installation I would like to have it the way it is supposed to be. The manual says hook the shield to the intercom side only. I will follow the directions so I do not need to know why I can do it on both ends. But where do I hook the shield? There is no location on the intercom itself and no place where I can tie all the shields together. Once they are tied together do they go to the negative ground plate on the firewall. As for the wire which will be the common wire in the schematic, how do this all get tied together. Having trouble figuring this stuff out even looking in the Aero electric book and comparing it to the PS 3000 schematic. Did anyone do there own wiring? Thanks, JOhn -- 1:09 PM -- 1:09 PM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:50 PM PST US From: "Jack Sargeant" Subject: RE: RV10-List: battery cable One of the commonly used products (and I think pretty good) is called Alox. Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/683-5268 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: RV10-List: battery cable Thanks for everyones input. I would like to know what this paste is that needs to be placed between the lug and the aluminum cooper wire of the fat wire. As for the aluminum wire being brittle and not being able to handle fatique, I question where all the fatigue will be coming from in my installation of the cable. This fat wire is quite interesting in that as you bend it one can feel all the individual wires moving over one another. It is quite flexible. As I said, it is also quite light. I have used #2 welding cable on an automobile starter motor which I made into a high launch winch for launching Large RC gliders. That stuff is quite inflexible and is very, much, more, heavy. Being that I am installing dual batteries with the Eggenfellner engine, I am installing twice the amount of battery cable. Weight was a huge concern. Please tell me about the paste which will keep my battery cable for catching on fire like the light British destroyer did in the Faulklin Island conflict. I wouldn't want my plane to fall out of the sky. Here are some cable routing pics showing all the support to the cable. Huge rubber grommet are used in stead of nylon snap bushings. Concern for chaffing was very much considered. Now to some unanswerred question about Radio and mic jacks. JOhn G ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:48 PM PST US From: rv10builder Subject: Re: RV10-List: battery cable sorry..the correct link specific to aluminum cable: http://www.sanchem.com/aSpecialE.html rv10builder wrote: > > In telecom we use No-Ox made by Sanchem: > > http://www.sanchem.com/ox.html > > It's applied to all electrical terminations using a mechanical means > of connection. Apply sparingly. If you can see it, you've applied > too much! > > Brian > #40308 > http://www.mykitlog.com/rv10builder > > > . > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:59 PM PST US From: "KiloPapa" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Outline Drawings RV-10 Outline DrawingsThanks, it will be useful. Kevin 40494 tail/empennage do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Outline Drawings Dear list, In an obvious attempt to avoid doing something productive I have traced the outline of Vans line art for the RV-10 using Adobe Illustrator. I initially did this so I could start sorting thru & sketching paint schemes. For ease of use I have converted it to a .jpg which makes the outline a bit rough but still usable. Robin Marks RV-10 pieces If anyone in interested in the .ai file (v.cs) email me offline ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:24 PM PST US From: "KiloPapa" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online RV-10 Outline DrawingsThank you. Kevin 40494 tail/empennage do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Vector Outline Drawings Online Here is a link to the Outline Drawings to download. 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