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1. 04:41 AM - Re: QB Wing Fuel Tank Screw Removal (MauleDriver)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: Tunnel access (gary)
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Tunnel access (Vern W. Smith)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: Battery Cable (Jon Reining)
5. 08:43 AM - Re: Tunnel access (Scott Schmidt)
6. 09:22 AM - Re: Tunnel access (John Jessen)
7. 10:38 AM - Re: Tunnel access (Vern W. Smith)
8. 12:50 PM - Re: Tunnel access (Scott Schmidt)
9. 12:55 PM - Re: Tunnel access (Scott Schmidt)
10. 02:32 PM - Re: Tunnel access (Mark Ritter)
11. 02:38 PM - Re: Access panel oil caning (Ben Westfall)
12. 02:58 PM - RV-10 vs. Turbo 210 (Scott Schmidt)
13. 03:16 PM - Re: Tunnel access (Vern W. Smith)
14. 04:29 PM - GPS Antenna Installation (McGANN, Ron)
15. 05:53 PM - Vans 10 (Jeff Carpenter)
16. 06:31 PM - Re: QB Wing Fuel Tank Removal (Robert Wright)
17. 07:14 PM - Re: Tunnel access (Rick Leach)
18. 07:17 PM - Dick & Jerry's 10 flys (Richard Sipp)
19. 08:32 PM - Re: Wing attach sequence (Dave Leikam)
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Fuel Tank Screw Removal |
Thanks to all for the advice. I thought I had gotten out in front of
this one by first replacing my 20 year old Craftsman Phillips Head
before trying the first screw. I figured a new driver, along with a
bent arm speed driver, would be the difference makers. Lapping compound
would have done it however. Now I have 2 damaged heads that will need
extraction in all likehood.
Bill "trying to get going with these wings" Watson '605
John W. Cox wrote:
>
> When negligence in the use of the dull screwdriver or too little down
> force, we resort to a #30 drill bit and then apply a Snap-On 1/8"
> extractor. The truck comes four times a week with a lifetime
> replacement policy. We keep a second extractor in our tool box, and set
> the other one for replacement.
>
> That said, it takes about 100 screw heads to wear out the Snap-On. With
> practice you can tell quickly that you are about to strip the head.
> Sharp edges on the Phillips and the correct point size make a big
> difference.
>
> For many builders, these techniques will not be needed till down the
> road when corrosion seals the threads or the head. Most GA hardware is
> stripped by using the wrong tip size or not paying attention.
>
> A teaspoon of lapping compound and a little water in a plastic bottle go
> a LONG way.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim berry
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:45 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Wing Fuel Tank Removal
>
>
> For removing stuck fasteners start with a drop of lapping compound and a
> good screwdriver, like a Klein available in the Electrical dept. at Home
> Depot. Cheaper and easier to find than Snap-On. If that doesn't work get
> a set of Alden Drillout Extractors, also from Home Depot. These were
> recommended in Light Plane Maintenance a while back, and they are
> amazing. When I follow the Alden instructions, their extractors have
> never failed to work.
>
> Jim Berry
> 40482 Finishing
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105806#105806
>
>
>
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I am using the standard setup per Vans Plans. Did they tell you how you can
remove the cover with the seats in?
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access
Gary
I was considering access panels on the sides of the tunnel.
I contacted Van's about the option and they said: "What do you want that
for, you can remove the tunnel cover?"
I am planning for a molded dash / console and wanted to be able to service
the tunnel without removing seats and other trim.
Are you planning something like this?
Has anyone put access panels on the sides of the tunnel?
I called Van's with concerns about compromise of the structural panels.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
do not archive
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How about cutting the front tunnel into two section right in front of
the fuel selector? A slicer plate could then be added across the inside,
much like the way the front and back tunnel covers join. This way the
front section of the tunnel could be uncovered without removing the
section between the seats or the seats. This could be modified as needed
if an armrest was planned.
Vern (#324 fuselage)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am using the standard setup per Vans Plans. Did they tell you how you
can remove the cover with the seats in?
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access
Gary
I was considering access panels on the sides of the tunnel.
I contacted Van's about the option and they said: "What do you want that
for, you can remove the tunnel cover?"
I am planning for a molded dash / console and wanted to be able to
service the tunnel without removing seats and other trim.
Are you planning something like this?
Has anyone put access panels on the sides of the tunnel?
I called Van's with concerns about compromise of the structural panels.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Cable |
When I worked as an electrician, we used aluminum cables from the street disconnect
to the house panel and at the terminal on each side used Alox, applied liberally.
There are other brands as well that perform the same funtion. It is
pretty commonly available at electrical supply houses - describe what you're
after and they should have it.
Jon Reining
40514
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105883#105883
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel access |
I am going to cut access holes in the side for sure because of the throttle quadrant.
It is ALOT of work to remove that quadrant and it would be so nice to
take a plate off to check the fuel filter and have access for anything else.
Abby at Flightline Interiors made the stick covers. I ran my wire on the outside
of the stick and this covered it nicely.
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Vern W. Smith <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 7:31:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
How about cutting the front tunnel into two section right in front of the fuel
selector? A slicer plate could then be added across the inside, much like the
way the front and back tunnel covers join. This way the front section of the tunnel
could be uncovered without removing the section between the seats or the
seats. This could be modified as needed if an armrest was planned.
Vern (#324 fuselage)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am using the standard setup per Vans Plans. Did they tell you how you can remove
the cover with the seats in?
Gary
40274
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access
Gary
I was considering access panels on the sides of the tunnel.
I contacted Van's about the option and they said: "What do you want that for, you
can remove the tunnel cover?"
I am planning for a molded dash / console and wanted to be able to service the
tunnel without removing seats and other trim.
Are you planning something like this?
Has anyone put access panels on the sides of the tunnel?
I called Van's with concerns about compromise of the structural panels.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland , Or.
do not archive
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Hey, Scott, I think that panel looks a little sparse. You should think
about adding a DVD player or something! My goodness....! Nice.
John (envious) Jessen
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am going to cut access holes in the side for sure because of the throttle
quadrant. It is ALOT of work to remove that quadrant and it would be so
nice to take a plate off to check the fuel filter and have access for
anything else.
Abby at Flightline Interiors made the stick covers. I ran my wire on the
outside of the stick and this covered it nicely.
<http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/2633980#142343321>
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Vern W. Smith <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 7:31:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
How about cutting the front tunnel into two section right in front of the
fuel selector? A slicer plate could then be added across the inside, much
like the way the front and back tunnel covers join. This way the front
section of the tunnel could be uncovered without removing the section
between the seats or the seats. This could be modified as needed if an
armrest was planned.
Vern (#324 fuselage)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am using the standard setup per Vans Plans. Did they tell you how you can
remove the cover with the seats in?
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access
Gary
I was considering access panels on the sides of the tunnel.
I contacted Van's about the option and they said: "What do you want that
for, you can remove the tunnel cover?"
I am planning for a molded dash / console and wanted to be able to service
the tunnel without removing seats and other trim.
Are you planning something like this?
Has anyone put access panels on the sides of the tunnel?
I called Van's with concerns about compromise of the structural panels.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland , Or.
do not archive
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Scott,
After seeing your counsel, I'd go with side plates too.
By the way where did you get the carpet set?
Vern (#324)
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am going to cut access holes in the side for sure because of the
throttle quadrant. It is ALOT of work to remove that quadrant and it
would be so nice to take a plate off to check the fuel filter and have
access for anything else.
Abby at Flightline Interiors made the stick covers. I ran my wire on the
outside of the stick and this covered it nicely.
<http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/2633980#142343321>
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Vern W. Smith <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 7:31:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
How about cutting the front tunnel into two section right in front of
the fuel selector? A slicer plate could then be added across the inside,
much like the way the front and back tunnel covers join. This way the
front section of the tunnel could be uncovered without removing the
section between the seats or the seats. This could be modified as needed
if an armrest was planned.
Vern (#324 fuselage)
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am using the standard setup per Vans Plans. Did they tell you how you
can remove the cover with the seats in?
Gary
40274
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access
Gary
I was considering access panels on the sides of the tunnel.
I contacted Van's about the option and they said: "What do you want that
for, you can remove the tunnel cover?"
I am planning for a molded dash / console and wanted to be able to
service the tunnel without removing seats and other trim.
Are you planning something like this?
Has anyone put access panels on the sides of the tunnel?
I called Van's with concerns about compromise of the structural panels.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland , Or.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel access |
Too late, already have one.
My wife was watching "Overboard" while flying over the TX plains on our way to
the Bahamas.
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 9:20:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
Hey, Scott, I think that panel looks a little sparse. You should think about adding
a DVD player or something! My goodness....! Nice.
John (envious) Jessen
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am going to cut access holes in the side for sure because of the throttle quadrant.
It is ALOT of work to remove that quadrant and it would be so nice to
take a plate off to check the fuel filter and have access for anything else.
Abby at Flightline Interiors made the stick covers. I ran my wire on the outside
of the stick and this covered it nicely.
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Vern W. Smith <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 7:31:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
How about cutting the front tunnel into two section right in front of the fuel
selector? A slicer plate could then be added across the inside, much like the
way the front and back tunnel covers join. This way the front section of the tunnel
could be uncovered without removing the section between the seats or the
seats. This could be modified as needed if an armrest was planned.
Vern (#324 fuselage)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am using the standard setup per Vans Plans. Did they tell you how you can remove
the cover with the seats in?
Gary
40274
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access
Gary
I was considering access panels on the sides of the tunnel.
I contacted Van's about the option and they said: "What do you want that for, you
can remove the tunnel cover?"
I am planning for a molded dash / console and wanted to be able to service the
tunnel without removing seats and other trim.
Are you planning something like this?
Has anyone put access panels on the sides of the tunnel?
I called Van's with concerns about compromise of the structural panels.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland , Or.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel access |
Abby at Flightline Interiors did the carpet kit. Tim Olsen has a nice writ
e up on his website about it. =0Ahttp://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/interior/2005
1230/index.html=0A=0AHer website is: =0Ahttp://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/=0A
=0AOut of every single vendor I have had to deal with to build this plane,
Abby gets the number 1 spot by far!!! She is accurate, on-time, and fairly
priced. =0AThe interior fits great, was easy to install and looks great.
=0A=0AScott Schmidt=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Vern W.
Smith <Vern@teclabsinc.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, A
pril 9, 2007 10:37:54 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access=0A=0A=0ASc
ott,=0A =0AAfter seeing your counsel, I=A2d go with side plates too.=0A =0A
By the way where did you get the carpet set?=0A =0AVern (#324)=0ADo not arc
hive=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv
10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt=0ASent: Monday, Ap
ril 09, 2007 8:42 AM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List
: Tunnel access=0A =0AI am going to cut access holes in the side for sure b
ecause of the throttle quadrant. It is ALOT of work to remove that quadran
t and it would be so nice to take a plate off to check the fuel filter and
have access for anything else. =0AAbby at Flightline Interiors made the st
ick covers. I ran my wire on the outside of the stick and this covered it n
icely. =0A=0A =0AScott Schmidt=0A=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom
: Vern W. Smith <Vern@teclabsinc.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent:
Monday, April 9, 2007 7:31:21 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
=0AHow about cutting the front tunnel into two section right in front of th
e fuel selector? A slicer plate could then be added across the inside, much
like the way the front and back tunnel covers join. This way the front sec
tion of the tunnel could be uncovered without removing the section between
the seats or the seats. This could be modified as needed if an armrest was
planned.=0A =0AVern (#324 fuselage) =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-s
erver@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of gary=0ASent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:36 AM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.c
om=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access=0A =0AI am using the standard se
tup per Vans Plans. Did they tell you how you can remove the cover with th
e seats in?=0AGary=0A40274=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matr
onics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul G
rimstad=0ASent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:31 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.co
m=0ASubject: RV10-List: Tunnel access=0A =0AGary=0AI was considering access
panels on the sides of the tunnel. =0AI contacted Van's about the option a
nd they said: "What do you want that for, you can remove the tunnel cover?"
=0AI am planning for a molded dash / console and wanted to be able to serv
ice the tunnel without removing seats and other trim.=0AAre you planning so
mething like this? =0A =0AHas anyone put access panels on the sides of the
tunnel?=0AI called Van's with concerns about compromise of the structural p
anels.=0APaul Grimstad=0ARV10 40450=0APortland , Or.=0A =0Ado not archive
=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel access |
I'll second that on Abby. Great interior and fun to work with.
Mark
N410MR
>From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel access
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:55:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Abby at Flightline Interiors did the carpet kit. Tim Olsen has a nice
>write up on his website about it.
>http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/interior/20051230/index.html
>
>Her website is:
>http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/
>
>Out of every single vendor I have had to deal with to build this plane,
>Abby gets the number 1 spot by far!!! She is accurate, on-time, and fairly
>priced.
>The interior fits great, was easy to install and looks great.
>
>Scott Schmidt
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Vern W. Smith <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 10:37:54 AM
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
>
>
>Scott,
>
>After seeing your counsel, Id go with side plates too.
>
>By the way where did you get the carpet set?
>
>Vern (#324)
>Do not archive
>
>
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel access
>
>I am going to cut access holes in the side for sure because of the throttle
>quadrant. It is ALOT of work to remove that quadrant and it would be so
>nice to take a plate off to check the fuel filter and have access for
>anything else.
>Abby at Flightline Interiors made the stick covers. I ran my wire on the
>outside of the stick and this covered it nicely.
>
>
>Scott Schmidt
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Vern W. Smith <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 7:31:21 AM
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
>How about cutting the front tunnel into two section right in front of the
>fuel selector? A slicer plate could then be added across the inside, much
>like the way the front and back tunnel covers join. This way the front
>section of the tunnel could be uncovered without removing the section
>between the seats or the seats. This could be modified as needed if an
>armrest was planned.
>
>Vern (#324 fuselage)
>
>
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
>Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:36 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
>
>I am using the standard setup per Vans Plans. Did they tell you how you
>can remove the cover with the seats in?
>Gary
>40274
>
>
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
>Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:31 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access
>
>Gary
>I was considering access panels on the sides of the tunnel.
>I contacted Van's about the option and they said: "What do you want that
>for, you can remove the tunnel cover?"
>I am planning for a molded dash / console and wanted to be able to service
>the tunnel without removing seats and other trim.
>Are you planning something like this?
>
>Has anyone put access panels on the sides of the tunnel?
>I called Van's with concerns about compromise of the structural panels.
>Paul Grimstad
>RV10 40450
>Portland , Or.
>
>do not archive
>
>
>======
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| Subject: | Access panel oil caning |
William,
No not a flying RV-10 yet. Why do you ask?
The leading edge is riveted on to the wing spar and the oil canning is very
apparent. Will it be an issue in flight...? I don't care to take the
chance. I will add stiffeners at some point before attaching the wings.
The oil canning did not exist prior to me adding the access panel. Like I
stated before I am pretty sure it is due to nibbling and filing. That
process is most likely what stretched the aluminum.
-Ben
#40579 Fuselage
PDX
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Access panel oil caning
Ben,
Is this a Flying RV-10?
I drilled the holes per instructions and then used a portable jigsaw and my
panel (and sourrounding skin) is nice and tight.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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>
> I added the access panel and the stall warning device per the plans.
Adding
> the access panel has created significant oil caning near the panel on my
> wing.
>
> I used a hand nibbler to cut out the initial access hole. I am pretty
sure
> this is what caused the stretching of that is the culprit of the oil
> canning. I have not yet added any doublers to prohibit the oil caning but
> plan on it.
>
> -Ben Westfall
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:06 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com; rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Wing Fuel Tank Removal
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Looking at your signature, I see you are not flying yet. I don't recall
any
> message from flying RV-10 owners that there was oil canning of this access
> panels. Where did you here this? I don't think they would oil can any
> more than the un-reinforced 0.025 wing skins to which they are attached.
> Just curious since I have access panels in both wings and they did not
> require any unusual methods to get them in good and tight in the standard
> location. Also access to the stall warning mechanism and the aux fuel
> fittings was fine from the access panel in the standard location. Your
3/4
> X 3/4 stiffeners while definitely making the area stronger, may be another
> case of solving a problem that does not exist.
>
> Even if I did not add the stock Van's stall warning, I would still install
> the access panel so you can install it at a later date, should you or the
> next owner change their minds.
>
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/wings45.html
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turbo 210 |
On Saturday I flew up to Driggs Idaho from Salt Lake City with a 1977 Turbo 210.
This was my first time I had flown with any plane other than an RV. Well, that
is not true, I flew to Bear Lake once with a Super Cub but didn't really ever
get a speed comparision, I will just say it is about alot!! I had the RV-10
fully loaded (full fuel, 4 people). Of course the RV-10 out climbs the 210
but didn't really do any comparison there.
I did some sight seeing and let him get away from me while we were climbing and
then spotted him about 1 mile in front of us. We were both at 10,500 ft. I had
the RV-10 at 19.2 inches, 2360 RPM burning 12.5 gph and our ground speed was
171 knots when his was 163 knots. The 210 was buring 18.5 gph and he had four
people in the plane as well. Once I caught him, I flew at 18.0 inches to fly
formation (12 gph). He was pretty impressed with the RV-10.
The smile you get on your face when you pass a turbo charged 210 is great. I know
he would have beat me higher but on an hour flight he probably won't with
the climb. Plus, once we got there he had to start slowing down 25 miles out to
start cooling his turbo. I pushed the throttle in, flew past the Grand Teton,
and then landed about 2 minutes behind.
I had some hiking freinds in the back and we all said, "Well, we are close enough
to the Grand Teton now that we can say we hiked it. Good enough for me!......check"
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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Thanks for the testimonial and contact info.
Vern (#324)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel access
Abby at Flightline Interiors did the carpet kit. Tim Olsen has a nice
write up on his website about it.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/interior/20051230/index.html
Her website is:
http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/
Out of every single vendor I have had to deal with to build this plane,
Abby gets the number 1 spot by far!!! She is accurate, on-time, and
fairly priced.
The interior fits great, was easy to install and looks great.
Scott Schmidt
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| Subject: | GPS Antenna Installation |
G'day all,
I have decided to mount my GPS antenna on the turtledeck. After
drilling the holes for the windshield support tube, I know how thick the
forward half of the turtle deck is. So I decided to install the antenna
just aft of the transition step. I drilled the first hole last night
only to find that the deck thickness is still around 1/2" and the screw
studs on the antenna are too short.
I have just ordered some 1/4" 4130 Steel tube to tap for the antenna
stud screws, but it is on back order. Has anyone else mounted the
antenna in this location and if so, how did you extend the antenna
studs?
Cheers,
Ron
#187 finishing
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For those of you who haven't checked Vans site lately...
Van just finished his own 10... #74 to fly
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Fuel Tank Removal |
Dave,
You made an important distinction that shouldn't go unheeded. First, we have a
kit manufacturer, and then we have an airplane manufacturer. Everyone, please
feel free to manufacture your own airplane with pieces provided by the kit manufacturer,
whether that airplane includes a stall warning tab or an AoA system.
The kit manufacturer is saving you time and money; you get to adjust to suit
your desires.
I'm no lawyer, but I do believe that the airplane manufacturer will always bear
more liability than the kit manufacturer, especially if the airplane manufacturer
strays from the kit manufacturer's design.
Rob Wright
#392
stuck trying to decently spray the interior
----- Original Message ----
From: Dave Lammers <davelammers@mchsi.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 11:39:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Wing Fuel Tank Removal
Mark,
Great question, but when you added the modifier "that would avoid a lawsuit" you
made any answer conjecture at best.
Before the modifier was added, I would argue in the affirmative.
You would certainly need to prove that your substitute is as good or better than
what the kit manufacturer recommended.
Difficult at best with any random group of pilots, let alone a group of folks who
haven't a clue of what this is all about.
Regards,
Dave Lammers
Mark Ritter wrote:
Dave,
Do you think a fully functioning AOA instrument is a good safety warning device
and an alternative to the stall warning device supplied by Vans that would avoid
a lawsuit?
When approaching a stall in my RV-10 a nice lady inside my AOA reminds me "angle-angle-push-
push".
Mark
N410MR
From: Dave Lammers <davelammers@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Wing Fuel Tank Removal
Hi "MauleDriver",
The plans have you remove at least the left tank for the installation of the stall
warning sensor switch. All else can be done with the tank installed, unless
of course the balloon leak test discovers a leak, then the tank might need
to be removed to locate the leak. Here is what I would do if I were doing it
again:
First, I would leak test with the tanks installed. If no leaks are found, I would
install the quantity sensors and fittings, inspect for proper torque of the
screws, and be done with the tanks, i.e.: no removal.
Secondly, the plans location of the stall warn sensor and necessity to install
an access panel is nonsense. It has been stated on this forum before that the
access panel is poorly located due to the curvature of the wing. If you install
per plans, it will oil-can. I added 3/4 x 3/4 stiffener angles and of course
the longitudinal one(s) need to have the web fluted to give the flange the
proper curvature. All quite easy to do but time consuming. However after it
is all done, access to the sensor switch (the purpose of the panel in the first
place) is difficult for all but the longest, skinniest arms with full swivel
joints at the wrists, etc. Some have opted to, or advised to, leave out the
stall horn. This is my third homebuilt aircraft and the first with any sort
of stall or AOA sensor of any kind. I thought seriously about leaving it out.
However, I plan on letting others use this aircraft. In the event (heaven forbid)
of a serious accident, I can just hear the
lawyers talking about the irresponsibility of leaving out a safety warning device
that was in the plans and recommended by the manufacturer. (It's a real shame
frivolous lawsuits have modified responsible and reasonable behavior-but
so be it).
Any way, so what would I do?
I would transfer the location of the stall warning pilot holes to near the next
to outboard rib and mount the stall warning switch on the outboard side of that
rib. This allows easy access to the switch for maintenance through the removed
wing tip. (Some will argue that the flow is different outside the flap area-true-but
that is the reason for access-to make the fine tune adjustments).
Advantages of this entire approach:
No tank removal (if they pass leak test)
Easy access to stall warn switch.
No cutting into the wing for an access panel.
Lots of time saved for meaningful construction (or flying).
Regards,
Dave Lammers
RV-6 flying
RV-10 coming along
MauleDriver wrote:
I'm starting work on my QB wings and trying to think through whether I should remove
the tanks to inspect, install the senders, test for leaks, ease access for
other parts, etc. Any comments?
I started removing one and immediately ran into some problems with the a few screws
not coming out easily. That alone may be a good reason to remove, inspect,
and re-install.
Thanks for comments.
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Hey Scott, I really like the looks of your panel. Any chance of getting
some more photos?
Rick Leach
40397
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am going to cut access holes in the side for sure because of the throttle
quadrant. It is ALOT of work to remove that quadrant and it would be so
nice to take a plate off to check the fuel filter and have access for
anything else.
Abby at Flightline Interiors made the stick covers. I ran my wire on the
outside of the stick and this covered it nicely.
<http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/2633980#142343321>
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Vern W. Smith <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 7:31:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
How about cutting the front tunnel into two section right in front of the
fuel selector? A slicer plate could then be added across the inside, much
like the way the front and back tunnel covers join. This way the front
section of the tunnel could be uncovered without removing the section
between the seats or the seats. This could be modified as needed if an
armrest was planned.
Vern (#324 fuselage)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel access
I am using the standard setup per Vans Plans. Did they tell you how you can
remove the cover with the seats in?
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel access
Gary
I was considering access panels on the sides of the tunnel.
I contacted Van's about the option and they said: "What do you want that
for, you can remove the tunnel cover?"
I am planning for a molded dash / console and wanted to be able to service
the tunnel without removing seats and other trim.
Are you planning something like this?
Has anyone put access panels on the sides of the tunnel?
I called Van's with concerns about compromise of the structural panels.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland , Or.
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| Subject: | Dick & Jerry's 10 flys |
Dick & Jerry VanGrunsven have flown their 10. See the first flight
hobbs meter on the Van's web sight home page.
That was the paint scheme I was going to use...dang. :)
Dick Sipp
RV10 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attach sequence |
Why paint before flight?
Dave Leikam
40496
inventory QB wings and fuse
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing attach sequence
>
> I don't see any reason this can't be done. The angles that hold the wing
> attach fairing could be riveted before or after painting since you don't
> see
> them. You will have to go back and paint the fairings themselves, of
> course. Also, the flaps will need to be filed down to match the fuse, so
> you might end up scratching the fuse side where the flap hits it, and you
> may need to touch up the end of the flap where you file (unless you are
> painting white, in which case you won't even see if the end isn't
> painted).
> Certainly would be better to do the attach first, but I don't see any
> really
> important reason that you couldn't paint first.
>
> Are the wingtips done or no? This may make a difference as well, but
> wouldn't kill the deal, depending on how you are going to attach them.
>
> I definitely think you should paint before flying. You will be very glad
> that you did!
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:33 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Wing attach sequence
>
>
> I'm trying to get things finished off so that I can get the plane
> painted. (I want to have it painted BEFORE I fly). I finished off the
> wings some time ago and they are in storage at the hanger.
>
> Question, Can I paint the wings (and fuse) prior to completing Sec 44
> (wing attach)? The current plan is to retrieve the wings, paint
> everything, send the wings back to the hanger, and complete Sec 44 at
> the hanger as part of final assembly. I've got limited space to do the
> wing attach here @ home. But I thought I'd check with you guys who've
> been down the road to see if there was any reason to go through the
> attach steps prior to paint. (I know there is the likelihood of some
> 'rash' occurring during the wing attach.)
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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> 8:54 PM
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