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1. 06:43 AM - Finish on the "finished" composite parts? ()
2. 07:13 AM - Re: Finish on the "finished" composite parts? (Deems Davis)
3. 08:03 AM - Re: Finish on the "finished" composite parts? (Jesse Saint)
4. 08:59 AM - New GRT Screens (Niko)
5. 09:07 AM - Re: New GRT Screens (Dj Merrill)
6. 09:45 AM - Re: New GRT Screens (SteinAir, Inc.)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: New GRT Screens (Vern W. Smith)
8. 12:49 PM - Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib (MauleDriver)
9. 01:01 PM - Re: New GRT Screens (Niko)
10. 01:18 PM - Re: New GRT Screens (John Jessen)
11. 02:03 PM - Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib (Chris)
12. 02:07 PM - Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib (dmaib@mac.com)
13. 02:09 PM - Re: New GRT Screens (ddddsp1@juno.com)
14. 02:27 PM - Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib (MauleDriver)
15. 02:33 PM - Stall warning/dimples (Fred Williams, M.D.)
16. 02:52 PM - Re: Damaged Head Screw Removal (MauleDriver)
17. 03:07 PM - Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib (Jesse Saint)
18. 03:19 PM - Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib (Ralph E. Capen)
19. 08:14 PM - Fuel Tank Strainers (johngoodman)
20. 08:44 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Strainers (Kelly McMullen)
21. 09:22 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Strainers (Rick)
22. 10:54 PM - Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib (John Cram)
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| Subject: | Finish on the "finished" composite parts? |
How much "finish" work is required on the composite parts like wingtips,
etc., that already have a "finish" on them? Do they still need pinhole
work or are they pretty decent?
TDT
40025
@#@#)()*^ wheel fairings
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-401-2522
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| Subject: | Re: Finish on the "finished" composite parts? |
It's a matter of preference, the wing tips and emp tips are gel coated
and most of the pinholes are filled. However if you hold them up to the
light you can see the weave pattern of the fiberglass cloth through the
gel coat. Additionally, many of the tips are not 'perfect matches' with
their aluminum mating parts and will require 'finish' work to get them
faired to the same level.
And the Cabin Cover...... Well that's a Phd project in 'finishing'.
TDT - where you been hiding????
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero wrote:
>
> How much finish work is required on the composite parts like
> wingtips, etc., that already have a finish on them? Do they still
> need pinhole work or are they pretty decent?
>
> TDT
>
> 40025
>
> @#@#)()*^ wheel fairings
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-401-2522
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Finish on the "finished" composite parts? |
All of the gel-coated parts have a little bit of an uneven surface as if the coat
shrunk a little in the checkerboard pattern of the glass cloth. Using filler
primer usually takes care of most of this, especially if you spray a couple
coats and sand it between coats.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
-----Original Message-----
From: tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
Sent: 4/11/2007 10:42 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Finish on the "finished" composite parts?
How much "finish" work is required on the composite parts like wingtips,
etc., that already have a "finish" on them? Do they still need pinhole
work or are they pretty decent?
TDT
40025
@#@#)()*^ wheel fairings
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-401-2522
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Looks like GRT will be coming out with 2 different high resolution screens. One
of them has a graphics accelerator built in which I am assuming is going to
be used for a more detailed moving map/ synthetic vision. If they do it should
be a sweet system in the low to mid teens. It also appears that they split
the screens horizontally for the engine instruments similar to AFS.
Anyone have any more details on these?
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Re: New GRT Screens |
Niko wrote:
>
> Looks like GRT will be coming out with 2 different high resolution
> screens. One of them has a graphics accelerator built in which I am
>
> Anyone have any more details on these?
>
Hi Niko,
According to the GRT web page, they should have these at Sun-n-Fun
and we will be able to find out about them at this time. There is a
note on there saying please don't ask before Sun-n-Fun since they are
apparently pretty busy getting ready for the show... :-)
Here is the link:
<http://www.grtavionics.com/hi-res%20announcement.htm>
-Dj
do not archive
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Not just yet, but I'll have some on display at OSH that should be pretty
close to what they are coming out with. Until then I'm afraid we all just
have to wait. On a completely separate subject, I just received our first
Garmin G900X system here today and it's flipping amazing. I wish I had the
money to put on in my own plane!
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:59 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
Looks like GRT will be coming out with 2 different high resolution
screens. One of them has a graphics accelerator built in which I am
assuming is going to be used for a more detailed moving map/ synthetic
vision. If they do it should be a sweet system in the low to mid teens. It
also appears that they split the screens horizontally for the engine
instruments similar to AFS.
Anyone have any more details on these?
Niko
40188
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Stein,
Do you display at Sun-N-Fun? If so what is your booth number?
Also, thanks for writing the two great articles in Kitplanes on EFIS
systems.
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir,
Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
Not just yet, but I'll have some on display at OSH that should be pretty
close to what they are coming out with. Until then I'm afraid we all
just have to wait. On a completely separate subject, I just received
our first Garmin G900X system here today and it's flipping amazing. I
wish I had the money to put on in my own plane!
Cheers,
Stein.
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| Subject: | Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib |
I'm stumped. I'm trying to dimple 4 holes in a wing rib for the
nutplates that hold the the stall warning micro switch. None of my
yokes will reach the holes in the QB wing
I noticed that the SB wing builders are mounting the microswitch before
assembling the wing. Has anyone been successful dimpling these holes on
a QB?
I know there is a wide neck yoke that accepts dimpling dies that will
work but $100+ says find another solution.
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| Subject: | Re: New GRT Screens |
I actually emailed the engineer at GRT and got some info. The new HX screens will
have a high resolution moving map and synthetic vision. GRT believes that
they will be better than what Bluemountain and Chelton are offering because of
the 3D graphics accelerator thats built in. They are also going to have airport
diagrams.
Niko
40188
----- Original Message ----
From: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:45:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
Not just yet, but I'll have some on display at OSH that should be pretty close
to what they are coming out with. Until then I'm afraid we all just have to wait.
On a completely separate subject, I just received our first Garmin G900X
system here today and it's flipping amazing. I wish I had the money to put on
in my own plane!
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
Looks like GRT will be coming out with 2 different high resolution screens. One
of them has a graphics accelerator built in which I am assuming is going to
be used for a more detailed moving map/ synthetic vision. If they do it should
be a sweet system in the low to mid teens. It also appears that they split
the screens horizontally for the engine instruments similar to AFS.
Anyone have any more details on these?
Niko
40188
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Ain't competition great!
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
I actually emailed the engineer at GRT and got some info. The new HX
screens will have a high resolution moving map and synthetic vision. GRT
believes that they will be better than what Bluemountain and Chelton are
offering because of the 3D graphics accelerator thats built in. They are
also going to have airport diagrams.
Niko
40188
----- Original Message ----
From: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:45:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
Not just yet, but I'll have some on display at OSH that should be pretty
close to what they are coming out with. Until then I'm afraid we all just
have to wait. On a completely separate subject, I just received our first
Garmin G900X system here today and it's flipping amazing. I wish I had the
money to put on in my own plane!
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
Looks like GRT will be coming out with 2 different high resolution screens.
One of them has a graphics accelerator built in which I am assuming is going
to be used for a more detailed moving map/ synthetic vision. If they do it
should be a sweet system in the low to mid teens. It also appears that they
split the screens horizontally for the engine instruments similar to AFS.
Anyone have any more details on these?
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib |
Couldn't you use a pop rivet dimpler.
-Chris
#40072
----- Original Message -----
From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib
>
> I'm stumped. I'm trying to dimple 4 holes in a wing rib for the
> nutplates that hold the the stall warning micro switch. None of my
> yokes will reach the holes in the QB wing
>
> I noticed that the SB wing builders are mounting the microswitch before
> assembling the wing. Has anyone been successful dimpling these holes on
> a QB?
>
> I know there is a wide neck yoke that accepts dimpling dies that will
> work but $100+ says find another solution.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib |
I used the dimpling kit for tight spaces that came with my tool kit. It uses the
pop rivet puller to pull the dies together on a shaft. (not a very good explanation,
I am afraid)
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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Stein,
You mean Garmin doesn't give their best dealers a DEMO model to use in a
plane? Maybe they'll fly you to KC sometime......................:)
DEAN
just a few weeks away from checking the KMA24
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib |
I'll answer my own question here... I think I need a wide neck yoke. I
already have one but it is a thin nose yoke doesn't accept dimpling
dies. Since I'm done with the tail feathers, I'm thinking that I can
try to have a friend with a mill, drill a hole in the yoke to accept the
die.
I'm still curious whether others have run into this. Mounting the stall
warning switch is a job best done before wing assembly. Even though the
manual has this step done long after assembly, I noticed that at least
2 builders (Deems & ?) did the dimpling before assembly. For the QB, it
would best be done during QB assembly.
Oh well
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I'm stumped. I'm trying to dimple 4 holes in a wing rib for the
> nutplates that hold the the stall warning micro switch. None of my
> yokes will reach the holes in the QB wing
>
> I noticed that the SB wing builders are mounting the microswitch
> before assembling the wing. Has anyone been successful dimpling these
> holes on a QB?
>
> I know there is a wide neck yoke that accepts dimpling dies that will
> work but $100+ says find another solution.
>
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| Subject: | Stall warning/dimples |
Have you tried the dimple dies that use the pop rivet gun? You can get
them thru Avery tools or aircraft tool supply. The Aircraft tool
supply number is 5102D-3/32 and cost is listed at $5.95
Fred Williams
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| Subject: | Re: Damaged Head Screw Removal |
Here is what I learned:
A custom made T-handle screw driver made removal a breeze (photo
attached). With this driver, leverage can easily be applied as needed.
I now have no worries about assembly or disassembly or slightly bunged
up screw heads. This driver makes all conditions easy to handle. Much
better than a brand new Craftsman phillips head driver with a standard
handle.
A little smear of valve lapping compound on the tip increases the grip
significantly
There are various types of screw removal tools that can be applied to
damage screw heads. After trying several types, I had the best
experience with a Sears Craftsman "Drill-out " Micro Power Extractor
Kit - Model 52157. It is a set 7 double ended power driver tips. One
end has a cutter to drill a hole in the head, the other an extractor to
insert into the hole and drive the screw out. Good directions were
included and it worked exactly as described. Smaller sets are available.
Patience is key but the right tools make it very easy to manage.
Thanks all for the help.
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> I decided to change the name of the thread to bring it onto the new topic.
> I have had good success with "Easy Outs" that can be purchased at ?most?
> hardware stores. Just chuck them up in a drill, put it on reverse, and
> pull the trigger very slowly (a good cordless drill with great speed
> control is a plus here). It works very well and takes almost no time at
> all. It beats the socks off drilling IMHO.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> 352-427-0285
>
> MauleDriver wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, it looks like I'm going to remove both of them - perhaps the right
>> for no particular reason. However, the fact that a couple of screws
>> aren't coming out, I'm glad I'm finding that out now when it's
>> relatively easy to fix.
>>
>> These are my first stripped screw heads - looks like it's time to drill
>> and use a screw extractor of some sort on at least one of them. I've
>> never done this before. Looking at an extractor in Spruce's catalog.
>> What are any of you using?
>>
>>
>> David Maib wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I had problems with a few of the screws not wanting to come out, too.
>>> Twisted the head off of one of them. The plans said to remove the
>>> tanks, so I did. Have installed the senders, repaired a dent that I
>>> put in one leading edge, leak checked, and they are now ready to go
>>> back on. However, it is a little easier to finish the stall warning
>>> system, wiring, pitot system, etc. with the tanks off. I am also
>>> installing SafeAir1 extended range tanks, so the main tanks have to be
>>> off for that reason.
>>>
>>> David Maib
>>> 40559
>>> wings
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2007, at 10:41 PM, MauleDriver wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm starting work on my QB wings and trying to think through whether I
>>> should remove the tanks to inspect, install the senders, test for
>>> leaks, ease access for other parts, etc. Any comments?
>>>
>>> I started removing one and immediately ran into some problems with the
>>> a few screws not coming out easily. That alone may be a good reason
>>> to remove, inspect, and re-install.
>>>
>>> Thanks for comments.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib |
I don't recommend installing it until the wings are final-installed on the
plane. That little tab sticking out is a great thing to catch stuff on and
setting it down on the leading edge once make the stall warning system
useless (although some on here would argue that is it useless to start
with). Even when it is installed it is in a terrible location and easy to
lean on when fueling (ask me how many times I have done that). I would
recommend installing it and rigging it and then taking it off and putting it
away until you are just about ready to fly. The nutplates can be a pain,
but if you have assembled it once, then it should be a little easier and you
will know it will fit.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib
I'll answer my own question here... I think I need a wide neck yoke. I
already have one but it is a thin nose yoke doesn't accept dimpling
dies. Since I'm done with the tail feathers, I'm thinking that I can
try to have a friend with a mill, drill a hole in the yoke to accept the
die.
I'm still curious whether others have run into this. Mounting the stall
warning switch is a job best done before wing assembly. Even though the
manual has this step done long after assembly, I noticed that at least
2 builders (Deems & ?) did the dimpling before assembly. For the QB, it
would best be done during QB assembly.
Oh well
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I'm stumped. I'm trying to dimple 4 holes in a wing rib for the
> nutplates that hold the the stall warning micro switch. None of my
> yokes will reach the holes in the QB wing
>
> I noticed that the SB wing builders are mounting the microswitch
> before assembling the wing. Has anyone been successful dimpling these
> holes on a QB?
>
> I know there is a wide neck yoke that accepts dimpling dies that will
> work but $100+ says find another solution.
>
--
10:57 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib |
For one of my larger sizes, I have a die (Male) with the correct size hole
in it. A nutplate goes behind (I built one on an aluminum stick) and the
die is tightened on the nutplate with an allen head screw...works fine.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib
>
> I'm stumped. I'm trying to dimple 4 holes in a wing rib for the
> nutplates that hold the the stall warning micro switch. None of my yokes
> will reach the holes in the QB wing
>
> I noticed that the SB wing builders are mounting the microswitch before
> assembling the wing. Has anyone been successful dimpling these holes on a
> QB?
>
> I know there is a wide neck yoke that accepts dimpling dies that will
> work but $100+ says find another solution.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Strainers |
Getting ready to leak test my QB Wing tanks and was wondering about the Fuel Tank
Strainers. I assume that they should be torqued in but they should be able
to come back out, right? I'm thinking either loc-tite or teflon tape, but I'm
a newbie on this.
John
--------
#40572 Empennage done, starting QB Wings
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Strainers |
You don't want teflon tape anywhere it could leave little slivers in
your fuel or oil systems. Great for home plumbing, not for aircraft.
On 4/11/07, johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Getting ready to leak test my QB Wing tanks and was wondering about the Fuel
Tank Strainers. I assume that they should be torqued in but they should be able
to come back out, right? I'm thinking either loc-tite or teflon tape, but I'm
a newbie on this.
>
> John
>
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> #40572 Empennage done, starting QB Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Strainers |
John,
Order a tube (I bought a can, duh, enough for two lifes) of fuel lube from Aircraft
Spruce or others...it is used on all the threads in the fuel system, no loctite
or tape..
Rick S.
40185
Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib |
Would a pop rivit dimple die work? good for tight spaces.
John Cram
40569 waiting on QB wings & fuse
delivery next week
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:17:42 -0400
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>For one of my larger sizes, I have a die (Male) with the correct size hole
>in it. A nutplate goes behind (I built one on an aluminum stick) and the
>die is tightened on the nutplate with an allen head screw...works fine.....
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>----- Original Message ----- From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:47 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib
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>>I'm stumped. I'm trying to dimple 4 holes in a wing rib for the
>>nutplates that hold the the stall warning micro switch. None of my yokes
>>will reach the holes in the QB wing
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>>I noticed that the SB wing builders are mounting the microswitch before
>>assembling the wing. Has anyone been successful dimpling these holes on a
>>QB?
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>>I know there is a wide neck yoke that accepts dimpling dies that will
>>work but $100+ says find another solution.
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