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1. 12:48 AM - Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib (Michael Wellenzohn)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib (MauleDriver)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Strainers (johngoodman)
4. 07:46 AM - Re: New GRT Screens (Vern W. Smith)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: New GRT Screens (Jesse Saint)
6. 09:33 AM - Re: QB Wing Fuel Tank Removal (Tim Olson)
7. 11:13 AM - RV10 tail kit (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
8. 11:29 AM - attaching RV-10 wings (Pascal)
9. 12:06 PM - Re: RV10 tail kit (Pascal)
10. 12:16 PM - Re: attaching RV-10 wings (Tim Olson)
11. 01:00 PM - Re: attaching RV-10 wings (Jesse Saint)
12. 01:00 PM - QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights (Jon Reining)
13. 02:08 PM - Re: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights (Ralph E. Capen)
14. 02:10 PM - Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (Jesse Saint)
15. 02:32 PM - Re: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights (Mark Ritter)
16. 02:49 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (Bobby J. Hughes)
17. 03:03 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (David Boone)
18. 03:19 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (John Jessen)
19. 03:40 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (Jesse Saint)
20. 04:14 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (Vern W. Smith)
21. 06:38 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (Rene Felker)
22. 07:18 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (Tim Olson)
23. 07:19 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (Jesse Saint)
24. 07:22 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (Jesse Saint)
25. 08:29 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (jim berry)
26. 08:48 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy (ddddsp1@juno.com)
27. 10:05 PM - Re: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights (Dave Leikam)
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib |
I used the poprivet dimpler which came with the Avery Toolkit. Worked fine, no
issues at all.
Michael (who is getting the fuse kit today :D )
http://www.wellenzohn.net
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RV-10 builder (wings)
#511
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib |
Of course, a popt rivet dimpler would work fine. Not only that, I have
one and have used it. That's what I get for trying to work on 3 hours
of sleep. I knew there was an answer but just couldn't compute.
Thanks to all who pointed to the solution. I like the die mod that
would permit taping the die to the yoke. That would work too. For the
slow builders, it's smart to do the dimpling and fitting before assembly
but leaving the final installation of the stall warning system until
call for in the plans.
I got a good night's sleep and ready to go now.
Bill "getting the QB Wing done" Watson
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Chris wrote:
>
> Couldn't you use a pop rivet dimpler.
> -Chris
> #40072
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:47 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Stall Warning - Dimpling nutplate holes in QB rib
>
>
>>
>> I'm stumped. I'm trying to dimple 4 holes in a wing rib for the
>> nutplates that hold the the stall warning micro switch. None of my
>> yokes will reach the holes in the QB wing
>>
>> I noticed that the SB wing builders are mounting the microswitch
>> before assembling the wing. Has anyone been successful dimpling
>> these holes on a QB?
>>
>> I know there is a wide neck yoke that accepts dimpling dies that
>> will work but $100+ says find another solution.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Strainers |
Thanks for the feedback; I sort of suspected that teflon tape was a no-no. It just
so happens Aircraft Spruce is 4 miles away from me, so I'll get the tube of
fuel lube. Thanks again.
John
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#40572 Empennage done, starting QB Wings
N711JG reserved
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Talking about competition, there is a coupon in the last Sports Aviation
magazine from Trutrak. Basically if you send the coupon and a check for
a $100 made out to Young Eagles they will give you $200 off a basic
autopilot. With the purchase of a more expensive system the Young Eagles
donation and saving scale up. It's not on their full page ad but towards
the back of the magazine. If you're in the market for something from
Trutrak (ADI not mentioned in ad) check it out. Sound like a good deal
for everyone involved.
Vern (#324 fuselage)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
Ain't competition great!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
I actually emailed the engineer at GRT and got some info. The new HX
screens will have a high resolution moving map and synthetic vision.
GRT believes that they will be better than what Bluemountain and Chelton
are offering because of the 3D graphics accelerator thats built in.
They are also going to have airport diagrams.
Niko
40188
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I was just talking to them and they said it does not work for any of the
instruments, just the auto pilots. I understand they decided to do this
before calculating all of the costs, but they are sticking with it. The
coupon will be in the April, May, June and July issues of Sport Aviation.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
Talking about competition, there is a coupon in the last Sports Aviation
magazine from Trutrak. Basically if you send the coupon and a check for a
$100 made out to Young Eagles they will give you $200 off a basic autopilot.
With the purchase of a more expensive system the Young Eagles donation and
saving scale up. It's not on their full page ad but towards the back of the
magazine. If you're in the market for something from Trutrak (ADI not
mentioned in ad) check it out. Sound like a good deal for everyone involved.
Vern (#324 fuselage)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
Ain't competition great!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New GRT Screens
I actually emailed the engineer at GRT and got some info. The new HX
screens will have a high resolution moving map and synthetic vision. GRT
believes that they will be better than what Bluemountain and Chelton are
offering because of the 3D graphics accelerator thats built in. They are
also going to have airport diagrams.
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Fuel Tank Removal |
Sorry so late to reply. Just got back from Vaca with
almost 500 emails to catch up on.
I can report that this access hatch will almost certainly
be an oil-canning problem for many/most builders. I had to
add stiffners in both directions around my access hole
too. Not a big deal, but just make sure when you buy a kit
section to buy a couple of 6 or 8' lengths of aluminum
angle for things like this. I'm not unhappy with the stall
switch. I personally wouldn't need the voice warning on an
AOA, as the EFIS already calls out "Stall" for you. When
the system is set up right, it can fairly accurately read
a stall warning within 2-3kts of actual stall speed. I leave
mine set slightly higher, and it is calculated based on
G-loading and such. But the buzzer is still there...not
so much a necessity, but an option.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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William Curtis wrote:
> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> Looking at your signature, I see you are not flying yet. I don't
> recall any message from flying RV-10 owners that there was oil
> canning of this access panels. Where did you here this? I don't
> think they would oil can any more than the un-reinforced 0.025 wing
> skins to which they are attached. Just curious since I have access
> panels in both wings and they did not require any unusual methods to
> get them in good and tight in the standard location. Also access to
> the stall warning mechanism and the aux fuel fittings was fine from
> the access panel in the standard location. Your 3/4 X 3/4 stiffeners
> while definitely making the area stronger, may be another case of
> solving a problem that does not exist.
>
> Even if I did not add the stock Van's stall warning, I would still
> install the access panel so you can install it at a later date,
> should you or the next owner change their minds.
>
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/wings45.html
>
> William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>> <davelammers@mchsi.com>
>>
>> Hi "MauleDriver",
>>
>>
>> Secondly, the plans location of the stall warn sensor and necessity
>> to install an access panel is nonsense. It has been stated on this
>> forum before that the access panel is poorly located due to the
>> curvature of the wing. If you install per plans, it will oil-can.
>> I added 3/4 x 3/4 stiffener angles and of course the longitudinal
>> one(s) need to have the web fluted to give the flange the proper
>> curvature. All quite easy to do but time consuming. However after
>> it is all done, access to the sensor switch (the purpose of the
>> panel in the first place) is difficult for all but the longest,
>> skinniest arms with full swivel joints at the wrists, etc.
>>
>> Regards, Dave Lammers RV-6 flying RV-10 coming along
>
>
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Hello,
We are writing to let the group know that because of time contraints (our age)
and the time needed to sell our house before we could have purchased the rest
of the kit, regrettably, we are going to sell our tail kit we purchased for the
RV10. We guess we were overly exuberant in our time estimate.We attended a formal
one-on-one class at Synergy Air in Eugene, Oregon to finish the empennage,
had the tail cone section and longerons crated at VANS, have done a complete
inventory, and everything is here. The empennage turned out beautifully, thanks
to Synergy, and we were under close supervision. We used the tools at Synergy
to construct our empennage but we also bought an almost new set of tools
with rivet gun, Sioux drill, Cleveland Main Squeeze, C frame, etc, worth $1600
new, which we can include in a package deal.
If anyone is interested in buying our tail kit, Please e-mail us at cloudvalley@comcast.net
or call us at (541) 998-2755 . Our cell is (541) 520-7058. Ask for
Ruth or Brian Preston.
We are sorry we won't be able to go via the building route. It would have been
exciting. We have decided that when we sell we will buy a production plane so
we can fly sooner! Thanks.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
<html><body>
<DIV>Hello,</DIV>
<DIV>We are writing to let the group know that because of time contraints (our
age) and the time needed to sell our house before we could have purchased the
rest of the kit, regrettably, we are going to sell our tail kit we purchased for
the RV10. We guess we were overly exuberant in our time estimate.We attended
a formal one-on-one class at Synergy Air in Eugene, Oregon to finish the empennage,
had the tail cone section and longerons crated at VANS, have done a complete
inventory, and everything is here. The empennage turned out beautifully,
thanks to Synergy, and we were under close supervision. We used the tools at
Synergy to construct our empennage but we also bought an almost new set of tools with
rivet gun, Sioux drill, Cleveland Main Squeeze, C frame, etc,
worth $1600 new, which we can include in a package deal.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If anyone is interested in buying our tail kit, Please e-mail us at <A href="mailto:cloudvalley@comcast.net">cloudvalley@comcast.net</A> or call us at (541) 998-2755 . Our cell is (541) 520-7058. Ask for Ruth or Brian Preston.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We are sorry we won't be able to go via the building route. It would have
been exciting. We have decided that when we sell we will buy a production
plane so we can fly sooner! Thanks.</DIV>
<DIV>Brian and Ruth Preston</DIV>
<DIV>#40666</DIV></body></html>
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| Subject: | attaching RV-10 wings |
I'll be helping a local builder to attach his wings this weekend on his
RV-10. He asked a few questions I figured most of you flying would know.
Pascal
I was wondering if I could get some suggestions about
attaching the wings.
How many people does it take?
How many hours?
Any special secrets regarding the bolts etc.???
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 tail kit |
Brian;
Sorry to hear about your situation. Put the offer out on VAF classified
section http://www.vansairforce.net/VAFclassifieds.htm .
probably have it sold within a day or so if someone on this list doesn't
do so sooner.
Pascal
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----- Original Message -----
From: cloudvalley@comcast.net
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV10 tail kit
Hello,
We are writing to let the group know that because of time contraints
(our age) and the time needed to sell our house before we could have
purchased the rest of the kit, regrettably, we are going to sell our
tail kit we purchased for the RV10. We guess we were overly exuberant in
our time estimate.We attended a formal one-on-one class at Synergy Air
in Eugene, Oregon to finish the empennage, had the tail cone section and
longerons crated at VANS, have done a complete inventory, and everything
is here. The empennage turned out beautifully, thanks to Synergy, and we
were under close supervision. We used the tools at Synergy to construct
our empennage but we also bought an almost new set of tools with rivet
gun, Sioux drill, Cleveland Main Squeeze, C frame, etc, worth $1600 new,
which we can include in a package deal.
If anyone is interested in buying our tail kit, Please e-mail us at
cloudvalley@comcast.net or call us at (541) 998-2755 . Our cell is
(541) 520-7058. Ask for Ruth or Brian Preston.
We are sorry we won't be able to go via the building route. It would
have been exciting. We have decided that when we sell we will buy a
production plane so we can fly sooner! Thanks.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
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| Subject: | Re: attaching RV-10 wings |
2 people could manage, but 3 would be great.
With 3 people, just to slip them in, figure 20 minutes...it's
easy. To drill the rear spar you're still not talking a lot
of time.
No big secrets with the bolts. I used hardware store bolts
for the temporary fitting, with the threaded section ground
off to prevent scraping, and used the large bolts that came
with my QB Fuse wing center section too....that way my real
bolts were saved for the real full install. Grease the bolts
up before sliding them in.
The whole job on an RV-10 is pretty easy.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Pascal wrote:
> I'll be helping a local builder to attach his wings this weekend on his
> RV-10. He asked a few questions I figured most of you flying would know.
> Pascal
>
> I was wondering if I could get some suggestions about
> attaching the wings.
>
> How many people does it take?
> How many hours?
> Any special secrets regarding the bolts etc.???
>
> Do not archive
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | attaching RV-10 wings |
It can be done with 2 people probably, but it would be best to have 3 or 4.
You should be able to hang both wings to the point of being able to "let go"
in about 15-20 minutes each if that. For the bolts, you could put them in
the freezer to cool down (and maybe shrink a little) ahead of time, although
I don't know if that really makes a difference. Just grease the bolts with
some kind of lithium grease and slide/drive them in. I would recommend
using a hardware store bold with the threads ground down in two of the small
holes to line everything up, then run the final bolts through while someone
"wiggles" the outboard end of the wing. Then, before putting on the nuts,
make sure to clean any grease off the threads with something like Acetone to
make sure it comes off.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: attaching RV-10 wings
I'll be helping a local builder to attach his wings this weekend on his
RV-10. He asked a few questions I figured most of you flying would know.
Pascal
I was wondering if I could get some suggestions about
attaching the wings.
How many people does it take?
How many hours?
Any special secrets regarding the bolts etc.???
Do not archive
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| Subject: | QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights |
As we are preparing to start on our QB wings, wondering what others are recommending
for HID lights and AOA?
I've just assumed going the Duckworks HID route, unless I hear somebody say otherwise.
I'd prefer an AOA over a stall tab, especially with the the negative comments made
recently. Any recommendations though?
Jon Reining (with dad Bill)
40514 - working on the final parts of the tailcone and ever so close moving on
to the QB wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106557#106557
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights |
For my 6A - I have a Duckworks in each wing and a PSS (now AFS I think) AOA pro
in the left wing.
When I get to that point again....I'll do it again.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jon Reining <jonathan.w.reining@wellsfargo.com>
>Sent: Apr 12, 2007 3:58 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights
>
>
>As we are preparing to start on our QB wings, wondering what others are recommending
for HID lights and AOA?
>
>I've just assumed going the Duckworks HID route, unless I hear somebody say otherwise.
>
>I'd prefer an AOA over a stall tab, especially with the the negative comments
made recently. Any recommendations though?
>
>Jon Reining (with dad Bill)
>40514 - working on the final parts of the tailcone and ever so close moving on
to the QB wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106557#106557
>
>
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| Subject: | Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy |
Sorry for the quality, but I have attached some pictures of our Rosen Sun
Visor installation. I am getting a quote on our custom mount from a local
machine shop and am getting a quote from Rosen on a group buy for the
visors. We tried to find a place on the sides to install a visor, but there
just isn't a good place to put it that won't block the pilot's vision when
he isn't using the visor. This is a 3-axis visor, so it can be used to
block sun from the pilot or copilot's front anywhere in the windshield and
can also block the pilot's right or copilot's left. Unfortunately we
couldn't find any way to block the sun from the pilot's left or copilot's
right except a suction cup or static cling piece. The visor base would
mount on the cabin top using two of the 4 screws that hold the front bar to
the cabin top.
Please let me know off the list if you are interested and I will put a list
together and let you know when I know how much it would cost. I am hoping
to keep it under $200 including the visor (big or small lense) and the
custom black-anodized base.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights |
I have the AFS AOA (no stall warning) and love it. Makes for pretty
consistent landings under a wide variety of load and wind conditions. The
AOA comes calibrated for the RV-10.
Mark
N410MR
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:06:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>
>
>For my 6A - I have a Duckworks in each wing and a PSS (now AFS I think) AOA
>pro in the left wing.
>When I get to that point again....I'll do it again.....
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jon Reining <jonathan.w.reining@wellsfargo.com>
> >Sent: Apr 12, 2007 3:58 PM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV10-List: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights
> >
><jonathan.w.reining@wellsfargo.com>
> >
> >As we are preparing to start on our QB wings, wondering what others are
>recommending for HID lights and AOA?
> >
> >I've just assumed going the Duckworks HID route, unless I hear somebody
>say otherwise.
> >
> >I'd prefer an AOA over a stall tab, especially with the the negative
>comments made recently. Any recommendations though?
> >
> >Jon Reining (with dad Bill)
> >40514 - working on the final parts of the tailcone and ever so close
>moving on to the QB wings
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106557#106557
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy |
Jessie,
At $200 count me in.
Enjoyed our visit at Lockhart.
Bobby Hughes
40116
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Sorry for the quality, but I have attached some pictures of our Rosen
Sun Visor installation. I am getting a quote on our custom mount from a
local machine shop and am getting a quote from Rosen on a group buy for
the visors. We tried to find a place on the sides to install a visor,
but there just isn't a good place to put it that won't block the pilot's
vision when he isn't using the visor. This is a 3-axis visor, so it can
be used to block sun from the pilot or copilot's front anywhere in the
windshield and can also block the pilot's right or copilot's left.
Unfortunately we couldn't find any way to block the sun from the pilot's
left or copilot's right except a suction cup or static cling piece. The
visor base would mount on the cabin top using two of the 4 screws that
hold the front bar to the cabin top.
Please let me know off the list if you are interested and I will put a
list together and let you know when I know how much it would cost. I am
hoping to keep it under $200 including the visor (big or small lense)
and the custom black-anodized base.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Count me in. David Boone 40138
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From: Bobby J. Hughes
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Jessie,
At $200 count me in.
Enjoyed our visit at Lockhart.
Bobby Hughes
40116
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:08 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Sorry for the quality, but I have attached some pictures of our Rosen
Sun Visor installation. I am getting a quote on our custom mount from a
local machine shop and am getting a quote from Rosen on a group buy for
the visors. We tried to find a place on the sides to install a visor,
but there just isn't a good place to put it that won't block the pilot's
vision when he isn't using the visor. This is a 3-axis visor, so it can
be used to block sun from the pilot or copilot's front anywhere in the
windshield and can also block the pilot's right or copilot's left.
Unfortunately we couldn't find any way to block the sun from the pilot's
left or copilot's right except a suction cup or static cling piece. The
visor base would mount on the cabin top using two of the 4 screws that
hold the front bar to the cabin top.
Please let me know off the list if you are interested and I will put a
list together and let you know when I know how much it would cost. I am
hoping to keep it under $200 including the visor (big or small lense)
and the custom black-anodized base.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Is that 200 for 1 visor and the mount?
John J
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Boone
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Count me in. David Boone 40138
----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby J. Hughes <mailto:bhughes@qnsi.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Jessie,
At $200 count me in.
Enjoyed our visit at Lockhart.
Bobby Hughes
40116
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Sorry for the quality, but I have attached some pictures of our Rosen Sun
Visor installation. I am getting a quote on our custom mount from a local
machine shop and am getting a quote from Rosen on a group buy for the
visors. We tried to find a place on the sides to install a visor, but there
just isn't a good place to put it that won't block the pilot's vision when
he isn't using the visor. This is a 3-axis visor, so it can be used to
block sun from the pilot or copilot's front anywhere in the windshield and
can also block the pilot's right or copilot's left. Unfortunately we
couldn't find any way to block the sun from the pilot's left or copilot's
right except a suction cup or static cling piece. The visor base would
mount on the cabin top using two of the 4 screws that hold the front bar to
the cabin top.
Please let me know off the list if you are interested and I will put a list
together and let you know when I know how much it would cost. I am hoping
to keep it under $200 including the visor (big or small lense) and the
custom black-anodized base.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
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Yes, that would be one visor and the mount. I am hoping to get it down to
the $175 range, but can't promise yet.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Is that 200 for 1 visor and the mount?
John J
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Boone
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Count me in. David Boone 40138
----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby J. Hughes <mailto:bhughes@qnsi.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Jessie,
At $200 count me in.
Enjoyed our visit at Lockhart.
Bobby Hughes
40116
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Sorry for the quality, but I have attached some pictures of our Rosen Sun
Visor installation. I am getting a quote on our custom mount from a local
machine shop and am getting a quote from Rosen on a group buy for the
visors. We tried to find a place on the sides to install a visor, but there
just isn't a good place to put it that won't block the pilot's vision when
he isn't using the visor. This is a 3-axis visor, so it can be used to
block sun from the pilot or copilot's front anywhere in the windshield and
can also block the pilot's right or copilot's left. Unfortunately we
couldn't find any way to block the sun from the pilot's left or copilot's
right except a suction cup or static cling piece. The visor base would
mount on the cabin top using two of the 4 screws that hold the front bar to
the cabin top.
Please let me know off the list if you are interested and I will put a list
together and let you know when I know how much it would cost. I am hoping
to keep it under $200 including the visor (big or small lense) and the
custom black-anodized base.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Jesse,
In your research, did you look at building a fiberglass epoxy mounting
pad on the cabin top with some bolt stubs to mount the visor bracket? If
it were placed on the outer top corner on the front window (where car
visors mount) it mite allow the visor to cover the side window.
Also by what date do we need to let you know?
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:08 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Sorry for the quality, but I have attached some pictures of our
Rosen Sun Visor installation. I am getting a quote on our custom mount
from a local machine shop and am getting a quote from Rosen on a group
buy for the visors. We tried to find a place on the sides to install a
visor, but there just isn't a good place to put it that won't block the
pilot's vision when he isn't using the visor. This is a 3-axis visor,
so it can be used to block sun from the pilot or copilot's front
anywhere in the windshield and can also block the pilot's right or
copilot's left. Unfortunately we couldn't find any way to block the sun
from the pilot's left or copilot's right except a suction cup or static
cling piece. The visor base would mount on the cabin top using two of
the 4 screws that hold the front bar to the cabin top.
Please let me know off the list if you are interested and I will
put a list together and let you know when I know how much it would cost.
I am hoping to keep it under $200 including the visor (big or small
lense) and the custom black-anodized base.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Jesse, count me in.
Rene' Felker
40322
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Sorry for the quality, but I have attached some pictures of our Rosen Sun
Visor installation. I am getting a quote on our custom mount from a local
machine shop and am getting a quote from Rosen on a group buy for the
visors. We tried to find a place on the sides to install a visor, but there
just isn't a good place to put it that won't block the pilot's vision when
he isn't using the visor. This is a 3-axis visor, so it can be used to
block sun from the pilot or copilot's front anywhere in the windshield and
can also block the pilot's right or copilot's left. Unfortunately we
couldn't find any way to block the sun from the pilot's left or copilot's
right except a suction cup or static cling piece. The visor base would
mount on the cabin top using two of the 4 screws that hold the front bar to
the cabin top.
Please let me know off the list if you are interested and I will put a list
together and let you know when I know how much it would cost. I am hoping
to keep it under $200 including the visor (big or small lense) and the
custom black-anodized base.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Interestingly, last year before and after Sun-N-Fun, I had worked with
Mike from Rosen on getting a custom RV-10 system put together. I
created templates, he sent parts, we started to lay out an RV-10 system,
and then they just got too busy and started blowing the RV-10 project
off for other things. At OSH, they said they were still too busy, and
ever since they haven't had time either. But, I did spend some time
getting a design together but they just needed to come up with one
custom bracket and then the RV-10 would be able to have dual visors
that would not only work on boths sides, but could be flipped
completely out of the way too. I was hoping that one day they'd
spend the time to finish up, because it would be a nice system.
From the looks of it, although having one visor is a HUGE improvement,
it's still far from ideal and is a real compromise in quality from
what you'd get with a system in something like a mooney or a
bonanza....so it would be great to see the project taken further.
Rosen did say that they could easily create custom shaped visors, but
they just didn't have the time to make the custom mount that I was
working up for them. My intention is to still go that route, even if
they don't do the mount themselves. I think with them making come
custom shaped visors, it wouldn't be too hard to get someone to make
a quantity of mounts and have a pretty slick RV-10 system. I may have
to get a prototype made though so it can prove itself. Too bad they
don't see the value of the RV-10 market like some companies.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> Yes, that would be one visor and the mount. I am hoping to get it down
> to the $175 range, but cant promise yet.
>
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
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> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:19 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
>
>
>
> Is that 200 for 1 visor and the mount?
>
>
>
> John J
>
>
>
> do not archive
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>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David Boone
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:59 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
>
> Count me in. David Boone 40138
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Bobby J. Hughes <mailto:bhughes@qnsi.net>
>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:49 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
>
>
>
> Jessie,
>
>
>
> At $200 count me in.
>
>
>
> Enjoyed our visit at Lockhart.
>
>
>
> Bobby Hughes
>
> 40116
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:08 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
>
> Sorry for the quality, but I have attached some pictures of our
> Rosen Sun Visor installation. I am getting a quote on our custom
> mount from a local machine shop and am getting a quote from Rosen on
> a group buy for the visors. We tried to find a place on the sides
> to install a visor, but there just isnt a good place to put it that
> wont block the pilots vision when he isnt using the visor. This
> is a 3-axis visor, so it can be used to block sun from the pilot or
> copilots front anywhere in the windshield and can also block the
> pilots right or copilots left. Unfortunately we couldnt find any
> way to block the sun from the pilots left or copilots right except
> a suction cup or static cling piece. The visor base would mount on
> the cabin top using two of the 4 screws that hold the front bar to
> the cabin top.
>
>
>
> Please let me know off the list if you are interested and I will put
> a list together and let you know when I know how much it would
> cost. I am hoping to keep it under $200 including the visor (big or
> small lense) and the custom black-anodized base.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy |
We looked at every place that it could be put and the only place that would
not be in the way is right where the pictures show. I thought we could do
it on the outer top corners, but that would really be in the way when not in
use because the corners don't go out as far as a car, so your view would be
quite limited when not using the visor because it would hang down so far
(when putting it far enough out that it wouldn't be riding on your head).
We got both of the Rosen standard mounts and neither of them worked
anywhere, so we decided to make our own and it works very well. The main
decision is whether to go with a 5x12 inch visor as shown, or a 10x12 inch
one, which would provide more protection, but would also be more in the way.
The visor can be put up against the cabin top when not in use while flying
or when parked and if you have seatbelt and headset hangars like we have,
then you can just align it with the bar and it is out of the way when
parked.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Jesse,
In your research, did you look at building a fiberglass epoxy mounting pad
on the cabin top with some bolt stubs to mount the visor bracket? If it were
placed on the outer top corner on the front window (where car visors mount)
it mite allow the visor to cover the side window.
Also by what date do we need to let you know?
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
Do not archive
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Could anybody who has the bar as it comes from Van's give me the dimensions
between the holes so I can have the machine shop make them at those exact
locations? This would help make a better fit for most people, although
going to the final size, especially in steel, still wanders around a little
bit, which shouldn't be too big of a problem.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Jesse,
In your research, did you look at building a fiberglass epoxy mounting pad
on the cabin top with some bolt stubs to mount the visor bracket? If it were
placed on the outer top corner on the front window (where car visors mount)
it mite allow the visor to cover the side window.
Also by what date do we need to let you know?
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy
Sorry for the quality, but I have attached some pictures of our Rosen Sun
Visor installation. I am getting a quote on our custom mount from a local
machine shop and am getting a quote from Rosen on a group buy for the
visors. We tried to find a place on the sides to install a visor, but there
just isn't a good place to put it that won't block the pilot's vision when
he isn't using the visor. This is a 3-axis visor, so it can be used to
block sun from the pilot or copilot's front anywhere in the windshield and
can also block the pilot's right or copilot's left. Unfortunately we
couldn't find any way to block the sun from the pilot's left or copilot's
right except a suction cup or static cling piece. The visor base would
mount on the cabin top using two of the 4 screws that hold the front bar to
the cabin top.
Please let me know off the list if you are interested and I will put a list
together and let you know when I know how much it would cost. I am hoping
to keep it under $200 including the visor (big or small lense) and the
custom black-anodized base.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Jesse,
The holes on my brace are 3/4" ctc in both axes. And please put me down for a set
also.
Jim Berry
40482 Finishing
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| Subject: | Rosen Sun Visor Group Buy |
I saw a RV10 with Rosen mounts in the outer corners.........the mount bo
lts go thru the door channel. Visors swing to cover the windshield or r
otate to cover the door windows. I did not care for more screws in the
door channels BUT it is better than thru the cabin top or only having O
NE visor.
Dean 40449
P.S. Anyone putting UHMV tape over the top of the cowl where the top co
wl pins are to protect the paint when inserting the pins? Also consider
ing putting it on the front of the cowl around the spinner hole to prote
ct the paint when removing or putting the lower/upper cowl on. Hate to
rub it against the spinner and scratch the paint ...........thinking tha
t clear UHMV tape would help and not detract from the looks?
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<html><P>I saw a RV10 with Rosen mounts in the outer corners.........the
mount bolts go thru the door channel. Visors swing to cover the w
indshield or rotate to cover the door windows. I did not car
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<P>P.S. Anyone putting UHMV tape over the top of the cowl where th
e top cowl pins are to protect the paint when inserting the pins?
Also considering putting it on the front of the cowl around the spinner
hole to protect the paint when removing or putting the lower/upper cowl
on. Hate to rub it against the spinner and scratch the paint .....
......thinking that clear UHMV tape would help and not detract from the
looks?</P>
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights |
I purchased CreativeAir LED nav lights, strobe kit, and integrated HID
lights.
http://www.creativair.com/
Everything fits in the wing tips. Have not installed them yet though.
Dave Leikam
40496
Starting QB Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Reining" <jonathan.w.reining@wellsfargo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: QB Wings: AOA and HID Lights
> <jonathan.w.reining@wellsfargo.com>
>
> As we are preparing to start on our QB wings, wondering what others are
> recommending for HID lights and AOA?
>
> I've just assumed going the Duckworks HID route, unless I hear somebody
> say otherwise.
>
> I'd prefer an AOA over a stall tab, especially with the the negative
> comments made recently. Any recommendations though?
>
> Jon Reining (with dad Bill)
> 40514 - working on the final parts of the tailcone and ever so close
> moving on to the QB wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106557#106557
>
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