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1. 04:47 AM - Countersunk wrong hole, need advice (Bob Leffler)
2. 05:10 AM - Re: Countersunk wrong hole, need advice (Tim Olson)
3. 06:12 AM - Eating Tools ;-) (Michael Wellenzohn)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Packing Lists (Jim Beyer)
5. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: AF3500 whoopiee! (Larry Rosen)
6. 03:08 PM - Re: .311 drill bit, pg 25-3 step 6 (Bill Schlatterer)
7. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: AF3500 whoopiee! (John W. Cox)
8. 06:59 PM - Engine Mount Question ()
9. 07:04 PM - Re: AF3500 whoopiee! (N777TY)
10. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: AF3500 whoopiee! (ddddsp1@juno.com)
11. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: AF3500 whoopiee! (Sean Stephens)
12. 07:34 PM - Re: Engine Mount Question (Kevin Belue)
13. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: AF3500 whoopiee! (John Cram)
14. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: AF3500 whoopiee! (Chris Johnston)
15. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: Builder Numbers (Albert Gardner)
16. 09:42 PM - Boeing Dream Lifter (Albert Gardner)
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| Subject: | Countersunk wrong hole, need advice |
While starting the horizontal stabilizer for my RV-10 on page 8-2, my
attention was diverted and I ended up countersinking an incorrect hole on
the rear spar. Step 2 is the where I made the mistake and countersunk the
middle hole (vertically) two holes to the left of the two holes that were
supposed to be countersunk.
On Page 11-4, Figure 4, it appears to be the hole that is initially cleco'd
on the rear spar to F-101C. It appears that the top and bottom holes are
attached with an AN3 bolt. I'm having difficulty finding the purpose of
this middle hole, other than aligning the spar to match drill the top and
bottom holes. I can't seem to find the step where it indicates that the
cleco comes out and another fastener is used.
So the questions I am attempting to figure out are:
1. What specifically is this hole used for other than just to initially
align the spar for match drilling the top and bottom holes?
2. Will having a countersink be an issue with the intended purpose of
this hole?
3. If it is an issue, can I install a doubler or some other appropriate
fix?
4. Or am I SOL and need to order another spar?
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
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| Subject: | Re: Countersunk wrong hole, need advice |
I do believe your assumptions are correct....it's just for aligning as
far as I can remember, and since countersinking still left you a
reasonable hole for aligning, I wouldn't worry about it today. It would
be very easy to add a doubler later if you wanted, and you could even
just put in a small #6 or #8 countersunk flat head screw later if you
wanted, just to add a fastener in there. The doubler might be nice
for piece of mind later, and that would only make things stronger.
So I think you should just relax and carry on and deal with that spot
however you feel best at the time of final empennage attachment.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Bob Leffler wrote:
> While starting the horizontal stabilizer for my RV-10 on page 8-2, my
> attention was diverted and I ended up countersinking an incorrect hole
> on the rear spar. Step 2 is the where I made the mistake and
> countersunk the middle hole (vertically) two holes to the left of the
> two holes that were supposed to be countersunk.
>
>
>
> On Page 11-4, Figure 4, it appears to be the hole that is initially
> clecod on the rear spar to F-101C. It appears that the top and bottom
> holes are attached with an AN3 bolt. Im having difficulty finding the
> purpose of this middle hole, other than aligning the spar to match drill
> the top and bottom holes. I cant seem to find the step where it
> indicates that the cleco comes out and another fastener is used.
>
>
>
> So the questions I am attempting to figure out are:
>
>
>
> 1. What specifically is this hole used for other than just to
> initially align the spar for match drilling the top and bottom
> holes?
> 2. Will having a countersink be an issue with the intended purpose of
> this hole?
> 3. If it is an issue, can I install a doubler or some other
> appropriate fix?
> 4. Or am I SOL and need to order another spar?
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> Thanks,
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> Bob
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> #40684
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| Subject: | Eating Tools ;-) |
Hello guys,
In case you dont want to let go your tools during lunch.
Thats my alternative
Best Regards from sunny Zurich
Michael
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RV-10 builder (wings)
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| Subject: | Re: Packing Lists |
I think there is a missing character... My guess it it should be 14-15 kits
per month.
-Jim
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On 4/21/07, Patrick ONeill <poneill@irealms.com> wrote:
> 1415 per mo. Wow. I had no idea. Does Van's really have the production
> capacity to produce 45+ (avg.) RV-10 kits per day in addition to other
> models?
>
>
> Congratulations Patrick, Looks like the -10 kits are still selling at a
> pretty good clip. Based upon when I received my emp kit, that's an
> average of about 1415 kit's per month for the past couple of years.
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| Subject: | Re: AF3500 whoopiee! |
Attached is a photo.
Hope the file attached is a good compromise between quality and bandwith.
Larry
Chris Johnston wrote:
> any pics from the booth at the show? anyone? i'm so excited about this i'm
about to explode...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of larryrosen@comcast.net
> Sent: Sat 4/21/2007 7:40 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: AF3500 whoopiee!
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> Dosen't the MX-20 have a jep approach plate option.
>
> Correction it is XM weather on the ASF system.
>
> Another point, Although GRT had there new high res screens at the show, they
stil show that same clunky graphics. I don't know if they plan on updating the
graphis, but I was not impressed with what they had at SNF.
>
> Larry
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
>>
>> Are you saying this has about the same functionality as an MX-20/200?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryRosen
>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:07 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: AF3500 whoopiee!
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>> CJohnston(at)popsound.com wrote:
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>>> moving map and WSI on the AF3500? now that would REALLY make me smile!
>>>
>> any more info on this?
>>
>>> cj
>>> #40410
>>> fuse/finishing
>>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>>> do not archive
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>>> --
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>> Today I took some photos of the AFS screen on the 3500 and the 3400 that
>> show the map and weather. They were working hard prior to SNF to get the
>> software ready, so it is not yet ready for prime time. But, soon, what ever
>> that means. No hardware upgrade required. And if you get the Sport model
>> (no AHRS) you can still get the map and weather.
>>
>> And traffic from a 330.
>>
>> I will post the photos when I get back home. Probably Monday.
>>
>> Larry
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>> Larry Rosen
>> #40356
>> N205EN (reserved)
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| Subject: | .311 drill bit, pg 25-3 step 6 |
Part Number 15358 is an Avery Chucking Reamer in .3115 (undersize 5/16)
$18.00. We need to support Avery more than McMaster so I try to buy from
them. Their new catalog has a lot of hard to find stuff.
Bill S
7a Ark
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: .311 drill bit, pg 25-3 step 6
This question refers to page 25-3 step 6, where it calls for final-drilling
to .311 in the gear leg socket. I am not sure what size drill bit or reamer
to use here. What do i need to order? What have others used? At least on
Avery's site, i do not see a .311 drill bit.
What i see for choices are:
1. 5/16" drill bit (0.312) - probably not precise enough for an AN5 bolt in
the future.
2. 5/16" reamer (0.3125) - seems like this would be perfect for the AN5
bolt.
2. 5/16" undersize reamer which advertised as .311 on avery's site.
Reamers catalog page is here:
http://www.averytools.com/cart/pc-535-29-chucking-reamers--high-speed-steel.
aspx
Any hints here will be greatly appreciated!
Also, since I'll be placing an order, i figure i should get another
microstop countersink cage. Do you guys have a preference for whether the
needle bearing or the bronze bushing versions are preferred?
http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-456-micro-stop-countersink-cages-nylon-foot
-piecewith-needle-bearings.aspx
http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-455-micro-stop-countersink-cages-nylon-foot
-piece-with-bronze-bushings.aspx
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: AF3500 whoopiee! |
Larry, thanks for the post.
John Cox
#600
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: AF3500 whoopiee!
Attached is a photo.
Hope the file attached is a good compromise between quality and
bandwith.
Larry
Chris Johnston wrote:
> any pics from the booth at the show? anyone? i'm so excited about
this i'm about to explode...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
larryrosen@comcast.net
> Sent: Sat 4/21/2007 7:40 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: AF3500 whoopiee!
>
>
> Dosen't the MX-20 have a jep approach plate option.
>
> Correction it is XM weather on the ASF system.
>
> Another point, Although GRT had there new high res screens at the
show, they stil show that same clunky graphics. I don't know if they
plan on updating the graphis, but I was not impressed with what they had
at SNF.
>
> Larry
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
>>
>> Are you saying this has about the same functionality as an MX-20/200?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryRosen
>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:07 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: AF3500 whoopiee!
>>
<LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>>
>> CJohnston(at)popsound.com wrote:
>>
>>> moving map and WSI on the AF3500? now that would REALLY make me
smile!
>>>
>> any more info on this?
>>
>>> cj
>>> #40410
>>> fuse/finishing
>>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>> Today I took some photos of the AFS screen on the 3500 and the 3400
that
>> show the map and weather. They were working hard prior to SNF to get
the
>> software ready, so it is not yet ready for prime time. But, soon,
what ever
>> that means. No hardware upgrade required. And if you get the Sport
model
>> (no AHRS) you can still get the map and weather.
>>
>> And traffic from a 330.
>>
>> I will post the photos when I get back home. Probably Monday.
>>
>> Larry
>>
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>> Larry Rosen
>> #40356
>> N205EN (reserved)
>> <http>
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| Subject: | Engine Mount Question |
I have an IO-540-C4B5 which has the large mounting holes. Has anyone considered
using different "Lord" mounts for the large mounting holes vs changing the mounts
on the engine to the D4A5 configuration.
I have looked and I can purchase the "Lord" mounts for the Piper Aztec.
Or should I just go ahead and replace the C4B5 mounts with the "Correct" ones?
Just curious, I don't know a lot about the "lord" mounts.
Jim C
N312F
40192 - Finish Kit.
Ready and waiting for the AF-3500EE!
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| Subject: | Re: AF3500 whoopiee! |
The map will be a $750 option for software, though. (No GPS included)
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N777TY (res)
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| Subject: | Re: AF3500 whoopiee! |
Kinda curious that no one has mentioned or discussed the WEIGHT of these
units or the extra SPACE they take out of the panel vs comparable units
. I know the RV10 can haul a LOT of weight compared to other 4 place pl
anes...................but why add weight (esp. unnecessary wt.) when it
adds nothing or very little to the utility of the plane.
Dean 40449
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| Subject: | Re: AF3500 whoopiee! |
Huh?
Can you elaborate on your findings regarding this unit against the
"comparable units" including price?
-Sean #40303
On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:16 AM, ddddsp1@juno.com wrote:
> Kinda curious that no one has mentioned or discussed the WEIGHT of
> these units or the extra SPACE they take out of the panel vs
> comparable units. I know the RV10 can haul a LOT of weight
> compared to other 4 place planes...................but why add
> weight (esp. unnecessary wt.) when it adds nothing or very little
> to the utility of the plane.
>
> Dean 40449
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Mount Question |
Jim,
Been there, done that - won't work. The large mounts are at a different
angle (not the same dynafocal angle), so it won't work with Van's engine
mount. You have to get the correct mounting ears and the rubber mounts
specified by Van or build another engine mount.
Kevin Belue
RV-6A flying
RV-10 finish kit
----- Original Message -----
From: <jim@CombsFive.Com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Mount Question
>
> I have an IO-540-C4B5 which has the large mounting holes. Has anyone
> considered using different "Lord" mounts for the large mounting holes vs
> changing the mounts on the engine to the D4A5 configuration.
>
> I have looked and I can purchase the "Lord" mounts for the Piper Aztec.
>
> Or should I just go ahead and replace the C4B5 mounts with the "Correct"
> ones?
>
> Just curious, I don't know a lot about the "lord" mounts.
>
> Jim C
> N312F
> 40192 - Finish Kit.
>
> Ready and waiting for the AF-3500EE!
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: AF3500 whoopiee! |
I would like him to explain the last part of his post
...................but why add
>>weight (esp. unnecessary wt.) when it adds nothing or very little to the
>>utility of the plane.
N569JC (res)
40569
>From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: AF3500 whoopiee!
>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:30:41 -0500
>
>Huh?
>
>Can you elaborate on your findings regarding this unit against the
>"comparable units" including price?
>
>-Sean #40303
>
>On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:16 AM, ddddsp1@juno.com wrote:
>
>>Kinda curious that no one has mentioned or discussed the WEIGHT of these
>>units or the extra SPACE they take out of the panel vs comparable units.
>>I know the RV10 can haul a LOT of weight compared to other 4 place
>>planes...................but why add weight (esp. unnecessary wt.) when
>>it adds nothing or very little to the utility of the plane.
>>
>>Dean 40449
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AF3500 whoopiee! |
just wondering about this post a bit. my thoughts? well, i have the
chelton 2 screen system, freeflight gps (possibly will be replaced) and
the rest standard radios & transponder. so when i thought about the
engine monitor, i looked around, and decided on the AF3500. it does a
few things for me, besides being an engine monitor, that i feel add
quite a bit to the plane. first, it's got a full set of instruments.
airspeed, alt, AI, etc. it's also got a display of the flap and trim
settings. it's also got checklists. it's also got, a GRAPHIC WEIGHT
AND BALANCE screen, where you just dial up the weights in the different
stations and it calculates CG. simple. no calculator or book, and i
can actually do weight and balance before a flight. easily. oh, and
it's got an AOA display if you want. oh, and an internal battery, in
case something goes fizzle with the electrical system. oh yea, and you
can hook up a GPS or nav radio and navigate using it. oh, and fly an
ILS if you want. hmmmm. not to be difficult, but this particular unit,
at least in my estimation, is pretty small and light for all the
functionality it's giving you. then you add moving map stuff. sweet.
for my money and panel space, that's one highly functional piece of
gear. it kind of feels like cheating for me, because when i do an IPC
in my 10, that's my backup instrumentation. can you say situational
awareness? i think it's pretty neat, but i'm biased. i think you'd be
hard pressed to find a comparable unit with the same form factor in this
case. well, maybe you could get the smaller one :)
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Sun 4/22/2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: AF3500 whoopiee!
Kinda curious that no one has mentioned or discussed the WEIGHT of these
units or the extra SPACE they take out of the panel vs comparable units.
I know the RV10 can haul a LOT of weight compared to other 4 place
planes...................but why add weight (esp. unnecessary wt.) when
it adds nothing or very little to the utility of the plane.
Dean 40449
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| Subject: | Re: Builder Numbers |
I'll try to get some photos but I used Accuracy's overhead console. I
covered the aft cabin overhead to just behind the door openings. Forward of
that I just covered the console itself. Left the sides and front window ring
painted. Abby at Flightline did the interior and it is just great. Man, I've
got to fly this thing.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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Albert,
So what does your headliner treatment look like? Maybe Deems can post some
photos on his site.
Larry Rosen
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| Subject: | Boeing Dream Lifter |
We had an interesting visitor last week. The modified 747 built to haul
parts for the 787 dreamliner stopped in for 3 or 4 days. If nothing else
it's a candidate for ugly. Maybe Van could use it to distribute all those
RV-10 kits he's shipping out Deems.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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