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1. 05:39 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (John Testement)
2. 06:03 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (Tim Olson)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: Wiring Diagram and/or Schematic Diagram of electrical system (Michael Wellenzohn)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: Poor idle on I0-540 (Jesse Saint)
5. 07:17 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (Jesse Saint)
6. 08:00 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (Pascal)
7. 08:03 AM - Aileron Trim Location (Niko)
8. 08:08 AM - Re: Purchase of an RV 10 Kit ()
9. 08:44 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (John Jessen)
10. 08:55 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (Paul Grimstad)
11. 09:03 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (Scott Schmidt)
12. 09:24 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (Tim Olson)
13. 09:54 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (Kelly McMullen)
14. 10:23 AM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (Tim Olson)
15. 10:37 AM - They need an RV10 at Nellis AFB Next Year... (Steven Roberts)
16. 12:07 PM - Transition Training (ddddsp1@juno.com)
17. 12:50 PM - Re: They need an RV10 at Nellis AFB Next Year... (Jesse Saint)
18. 01:06 PM - Re: Transition Training (John Jessen)
19. 03:45 PM - Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time (Kelly McMullen)
20. 06:40 PM - Re: They need an RV10 at Nellis AFB Next Year... (bob.kaufmann)
21. 07:24 PM - Officially an RV Builder (Larry Rosen)
22. 08:30 PM - Re: Transition Training (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
23. 09:41 PM - Re: Officially an RV Builder (bruce breckenridge)
24. 09:46 PM - Re: Transition Training (bruce breckenridge)
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Subject: | Flying the RV10 for the first time |
Dan,
I can not agree with you more about the value of transition training. I
trained a couple of weeks ago with Alex D in Texas. Yes there are a lot of
new things us spam canners need to learn, unlearn, and adjust to. I think it
would be a mistake to jump in your new 10 without the training (most
insurers wouldn't let you).
I will probably do a few more hours of dual just before mine is ready to
fly - I am hoping it is just a couple of months now.
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff - 90% done, 90% to go!
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the
factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days
to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I
know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I
can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air,
blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over
200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch,
and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having
been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those
of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress
the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used
to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first,
but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple
hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is
that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought
I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you
quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so
you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans
factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most
memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me
around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all
the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he
comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and
Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
HYPERLINK "mailto:lloyddr@wernerco.com"lloyddr@wernerco.com
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Subject: | Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
(I'm sorry, I just can't resist)
Yeah Dan, those big Lycomings....it's like "Yeeee Haw!" when
you stuff that throttle into the panel, with all that torque
and horsepower. Great engines, they are. ;)
P-factor....you only had 3 hours in the -10, so you must
have a small bladder. For me, I cured the P-Factor in my
plane by carrying an old gatorade bottle on long x/c trip.
(LOL)
Oh, and don't even get me started on that miserable Ed Hayden...
It's like the man's in his own world where everyone travels
at 670,616,600 miles per hour (a few mph less than the speed of
light), so that time moves so slowly it looks like he'll
be done with his -10 "soon". I think he's delusional, perhaps.
(reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light )
For him, I'm thinking he'll be done in "November".
(Now THAT one is just for good ol' Eddie boy!)
ALL in good fun, of course. You guys is good people!
Oh, and to the rest of you, take Dan's advice...get the training.
It's comforting when you fly yours for the first time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> Hey guys,
> I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the
> factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more
> days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast
> bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same,
> but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps
> in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and
> trued out over 200MPH,
> did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home
> stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first
> flight.
> I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having
> been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For
> those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not
> stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary
> to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is
> difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to
> feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing
> that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need
> for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you
> put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue
> about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
>
> While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured
> Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10,
> the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he
> helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project.
> What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait
> to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that
> makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us
> feel welcome!
>
> THX
> Dan Lloyd
> N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
>
>
> Dan Lloyd
> Director of Information Technology
> Werner Company
> 93 Werner Road
> Greenville, PA 16125
>
> _lloyddr@wernerco.com_ <mailto:lloyddr@wernerco.com>
> 1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
> 1-724-988-9230 cell
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Wiring Diagram and/or Schematic Diagram of electrical system |
Thanks you to all of you. I have now enough diagrams to go through.
Take care
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (wings)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109518#109518
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Subject: | Poor idle on I0-540 |
The thing that comes to mind is a problem we just fixed on N416EC. The idle
mixture was set WAY to rich. Check and see if the RPM comes up and it
smoothens out if you spin the mixture cable out. If so, lean out the idle
mixture on the fuel servo and you should be good to go.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Poor idle on I0-540
My I0-540 does not like to run at idle. Anything below about 800 RPM runs
the risk of the engine stopping, which it has done a few times when taxiing
or on run-up
It is equipped with a Lasar ignition with the warning light to tell you if
it is running on the mags alone. Temps seem OK and it runs well once the
power is put to it.
The idle screw is in as far as it will go.
The engine feels a bit rough when slowed down to 800 RPM or so
Anyone have any ideas.?
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 Flying
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Subject: | Flying the RV10 for the first time |
I guess that mainly depends on how much time and in how many other planes
you have flown. My dad didn't get transition training, just took a demo
flight at Van's (which is far from helpful in learning to fly the plane),
and he had no problem (and now has over 400 safe hours in the -10). The
plane really is not difficult to fly. I am not knocking transition training
at all, but just offering a little more insight from experience.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Dan,
I can not agree with you more about the value of transition training. I
trained a couple of weeks ago with Alex D in Texas. Yes there are a lot of
new things us spam canners need to learn, unlearn, and adjust to. I think it
would be a mistake to jump in your new 10 without the training (most
insurers wouldn't let you).
I will probably do a few more hours of dual just before mine is ready to
fly - I am hoping it is just a couple of months now.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff - 90% done, 90% to go!
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the
factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days
to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I
know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I
can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air,
blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over
200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch,
and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having
been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those
of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress
the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used
to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first,
but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple
hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is
that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought
I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you
quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so
you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans
factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most
memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me
around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all
the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he
comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and
Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
<mailto:lloyddr@wernerco.com> lloyddr@wernerco.com
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
Flying the RV10 for the first timeOther than expenses there can only be
advantages to getting a Solid CFI to train you on the specific aircraft.
I appreciate what Jesse is saying however. Some pilots ARE experienced
and solid, as Jesse's father appears to be, than there those who have
10K hours and fill my NTSB reports each month. To each their own but I
never forgot the stats I received from the MSF when getting my
motorcycle license. "most fatalities occur with experienced riders on a
new bike"
As Lloyd mentioned there is the P-factor but what is not mentioned is
the "tips and techniques" that an experienced pilot can teach a newby
about that specific aircraft. (V speeds and how it looks, feels)
Pascal
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
I guess that mainly depends on how much time and in how many other
planes you have flown. My dad didn't get transition training, just took
a demo flight at Van's (which is far from helpful in learning to fly the
plane), and he had no problem (and now has over 400 safe hours in the
-10). The plane really is not difficult to fly. I am not knocking
transition training at all, but just offering a little more insight from
experience.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Testement
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:38 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Dan,
I can not agree with you more about the value of transition training.
I trained a couple of weeks ago with Alex D in Texas. Yes there are a
lot of new things us spam canners need to learn, unlearn, and adjust to.
I think it would be a mistake to jump in your new 10 without the
training (most insurers wouldn't let you).
I will probably do a few more hours of dual just before mine is ready
to fly - I am hoping it is just a couple of months now.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff - 90% done, 90% to go!
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying
the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two
more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this
fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the
same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly
leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North
and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home
stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first
flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever
having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded.
For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can
not stress the value of transition training and spending the time
necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that
it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am
starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV
pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about
P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but
the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what
you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured
Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10,
the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he
helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project.
What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait
to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that
makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us
feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr@wernerco.com
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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Subject: | Aileron Trim Location |
Has anyone mounted the aileron trim on to the right wing instead of the left?
thanks
Niko
40188
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Subject: | Re: Purchase of an RV 10 Kit |
Larry, I have a 10 qb wing /fuse/ tail kit also --just finished my 8A, just thinking
about not continueing tth 10, I have a 540 --it doesn't have to go with
it-- call me if interested 479 629 1986 Ed 479 629 1986 Thanks ---- Larry Rosen
he <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Answers to your questions below:
>
> Larry Rosen
> RV-10 #356
> <http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
>
> BARBARA HADATH wrote:
> >
> > Fellow Builders
> >
> > I am a new subscriber to the RV 10 list. I have built and am now
> > flying a F1 Rocket from a parts kit. I have a wife and 2 children who
> > have been enjoying the flying so much that they are now saying that I
> > must start on a 4 seater. It looks like the RV 10 is the one for me to
> > build.
> >
> > I have decided to go the QB route this time. It looks like the options
> > are Electric trim, which I think may be a good idea for a side by side
> > aircraft.
> >
> Electric elevator trim is standard. There is an option for aileron
> trim, and DIY options for rudder trim. There are no manual trim options
> >
> > I wonder about the external steps, due to drag. Anybody have input or
> > experience on this?
> >
> External steps are included with the kit. It would be difficult to
> climb up into the plane without the steps.
> >
> > Map box. I would think this is a good idea and since I will go with a
> > VFR panel I would think there must be lots of room on the panel.
> >
> With a VFR panel you could probably put in 2 map boxes.
> >
> > Fresh air vent? Any input here?
> >
> Standard are 2 vents up front and 2 vents for the rear passangers
> Accuracy Avionics <http://www.accuracyavionics.com/> has an overhead
> console that adds air vents.
> >
> > Are there other options I should consider?
> >
> Lots, for the tail kit they are limited to static ports and rudder
> control fairings. Just get started, stay on this list, check out the
> builders web sites and have fun building. If you could build a 4
> (without pre punched skins, the 10 will be a breeze).
> >
> > Is anybody aware of a QB kit out there in need of a home?
> >
> > I hope I will be able to contribute to the list and I look forward to
> > the project.
> >
> > I am located at CYKF in Kitchener, Ontario.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Wayne Hadath
> >
> > http://www.justplane <http://www.justplane/>works.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Flying the RV10 for the first time |
You know, this brings up some thoughts.
First, Ed Hayden is one of the best. Anyone who gets the privilege of
meeting this guy knows of what I speak.
Second, let the list know when you (any you) are going where on RV-10
business. If Ed hadn't been available, I know 4 other guys in Oregon who
would have been. I continue to be amazed at the quality of folks on this
list, building or not, and as a community, it is one I want to be around.
Third, this plane is amazing, as Dan just found out. I have been struggling
whether or not I really have the time to finish the project, and shouldn't
I, given my age, simply buy a fast certified and get to flying. Well, so,
I've now flown a couple Bonanzas, and other fast supposedly 4-place planes,
trying to determine what to do. Then good old Randy says, hey, hop in, I've
got to have another pair of hands and eyes while I check out the new thingy
that TT sent me. Well, Randy didn't really need another pair of eyes or
hands, not really, he just wanted to get me up and into the air in his RV-10
to keep my spirits up. He's sneaky that way. What he also did was make me
realize, once again, just how better the RV-10 is than even a pretty darn
good Bonanza, just on flying qualities alone. It's an amazing difference,
in just, how to put this, attitude, and I don't mean which side is up. I
mean the feel of it. The sitting in it. The handling. The spirit. The
feeling that flying it is fun. As in FUN. And this is a Van's SUV! I've
flown the Cirrus 22, and that is really cool, but this, in my opinion, is
just as cool, if not, er, cooler.
So, Dan, I hear ya.
John (I can't believe I'm still in builder exile) Jessen
#40328
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the
factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days
to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I
know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I
can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air,
blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over
200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch,
and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having
been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those
of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress
the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used
to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first,
but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple
hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is
that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought
I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you
quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so
you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans
factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most
memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me
around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all
the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he
comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and
Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
<mailto:lloyddr@wernerco.com> lloyddr@wernerco.com
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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Subject: | Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
Flying the RV10 for the first timeDaniel
Thanks for the encouragement. The builder spirit and enthusiasm are
reaffirmed when we hear stories of passion flying the RV10.
Glad to hear your having a good time, how much longer will it be to get
your RV10E up flying?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R.
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying
the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two
more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this
fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the
same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly
leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North
and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home
stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first
flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever
having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded.
For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can
not stress the value of transition training and spending the time
necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that
it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am
starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV
pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about
P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but
the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what
you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured
Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10,
the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he
helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project.
What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait
to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that
makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us
feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr@wernerco.com
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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Subject: | Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
Awesome Dan, isn't that the most fun ever. Mike teaches you to fly the -10 like
a tail dragger. Nose off the ground ASAP, don't even look at the airspeed,
and let it fly itself off. This is typically not taught when flying spam cans.
Budd Davidson one of the finest CFI's in the world teaches the same approach
in the Pitts. You really learn what AOA achieves a smooth safe takeoff in a
reasonable distance. I cannot tell you how happy you will be when you are sitting
at the end of the runway in you new RV-10 and you push that throttle in and
your not having to learn to fly the plane and watch all the engine instruments
for problems. You know what stick force it takes to get the nose off. You
know how much rudder it will take to keep it straight when you lift the nose
off. Plus, going and flying with Mike is some of the cheapest flying you can
do. Seems like it is around $130 an hour (plane + pilot)? To fly a 182 here
in Utah the average rent is around $160 just for
the plane. It is so beautiful to go flying around OR as well.
Looking forward to the first flight post.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:25:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory
10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with
him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of
you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO!
Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing
through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and
I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in
one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in
the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of
transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes.
Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several
hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might
make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about
P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the
first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no
clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory,
too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable
part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town,
and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and
whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town.
It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of
the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr@wernerco.com
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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Subject: | Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
Fully agree with you there John. The people are just fantastic and
the plane really shines.
Just did my IPC and BFR Wednesday, and impressed the guy (a friend
of mine) who's an airline pilot. He was amazed at the plane in
general, and kept commenting on how well it flew, how fast it was,
and how smooth it was. I MUCH prefer someone (if they have the skills),
who's not afraid to FEEL out the plane when they jump in for a demo.
15 minutes after takeoff, he was trying 30/45/60 degree banks and
loving it. He couldn't believe how advanced the instrumentation
was, and said it's easier to fly an approach with what I've got than
using everything he has in the DC9/727/757/747's that he's flown.
Then yesterday, I read a review in Flying Mag's recent issue where
they reviewed the Mooney Ovation3...their fast normally aspirated
plane. I was again left impressed not with the Ovation, but with
what we can do with our RV-10's. That Ovation was well over $400,000,
and didn't cruise much faster, and almost completely had inferior
performance specs to the -10 in most categories. Even the VNE was
within a Knot or 2 of the -10. They went on to do a lot of detail
on how with a G1000 and Garmin's new AP that you can now do some
awesome vertically guided approaches and it's smooth. That's
funny, I can do pretty much everything they described there, and
it's just an experimental costing well under 1/2 the price! Not
to mention there are many who can build a great plane for much less
depending on their needs. (I've has someone say to me that the
reason for some of Van's choices on his own plane may be to
demonstrate how someone can build a nice but low-cost RV-10, as
opposed to the common "loaded" RV-10) So from what I can tell,
the Ovation3, and for that matter, most of the other
High-performance singles, have very little additional benefits
on us, if any, and for twice the price. Oh, and I haven't seen
one of those factory model users groups that has anywhere near
the camaraderie of what we have either...what a bonus! Great
people is right!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Jessen wrote:
> You know, this brings up some thoughts.
>
> First, Ed Hayden is one of the best. Anyone who gets the privilege of
> meeting this guy knows of what I speak.
>
> Second, let the list know when you (any you) are going where on RV-10
> business. If Ed hadn't been available, I know 4 other guys in Oregon
> who would have been. I continue to be amazed at the quality of folks on
> this list, building or not, and as a community, it is one I want to be
> around.
>
> Third, this plane is amazing, as Dan just found out. I have been
> struggling whether or not I really have the time to finish the project,
> and shouldn't I, given my age, simply buy a fast certified and get to
> flying. Well, so, I've now flown a couple Bonanzas, and other fast
> supposedly 4-place planes, trying to determine what to do. Then good
> old Randy says, hey, hop in, I've got to have another pair of hands and
> eyes while I check out the new thingy that TT sent me. Well, Randy
> didn't really need another pair of eyes or hands, not really, he just
> wanted to get me up and into the air in his RV-10 to keep my spirits
> up. He's sneaky that way. What he also did was make me realize, once
> again, just how better the RV-10 is than even a pretty darn good
> Bonanza, just on flying qualities alone. It's an amazing difference, in
> just, how to put this, attitude, and I don't mean which side is up. I
> mean the feel of it. The sitting in it. The handling. The spirit.
> The feeling that flying it is fun. As in FUN. And this is a Van's
> SUV! I've flown the Cirrus 22, and that is really cool, but this, in my
> opinion, is just as cool, if not, er, cooler.
>
> So, Dan, I hear ya.
>
> John (I can't believe I'm still in builder exile) Jessen
> #40328
>
> do not archive
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lloyd,
> Daniel R.
> *Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Flying the RV10 for the first time
>
> Hey guys,
> I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the
> factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more
> days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast
> bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same,
> but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps
> in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and
> trued out over 200MPH,
> did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home
> stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first
> flight.
> I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having
> been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For
> those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not
> stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary
> to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is
> difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to
> feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing
> that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need
> for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you
> put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue
> about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
>
> While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured
> Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10,
> the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he
> helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project.
> What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait
> to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that
> makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us
> feel welcome!
>
> THX
> Dan Lloyd
> N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
>
>
> Dan Lloyd
> Director of Information Technology
> Werner Company
> 93 Werner Road
> Greenville, PA 16125
>
> _lloyddr@wernerco.com_ <mailto:lloyddr@wernerco.com>
> 1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
> 1-724-988-9230 cell
>
>
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
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Subject: | Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
Is Van's spec of 211mph top speed = Vne, or is there some higher number?
The Ovation airframe is virtually identical to the Acclaim, which has a
max cruise of 237kts, or 273mph. Vne is something above that. The
Ovation 3 has 310hp engine and noticeably better climb and cruise than
earlier versions with 280hp.
Of course the -10 has many other advantages, as you noted, esp $$$$ &
ease of entry. The current Mooneys have much bigger baggage area than
the -10.
Tim Olson wrote:
> -
> Then yesterday, I read a review in Flying Mag's recent issue where
> they reviewed the Mooney Ovation3...their fast normally aspirated
> plane. I was again left impressed not with the Ovation, but with
> what we can do with our RV-10's. That Ovation was well over $400,000,
> and didn't cruise much faster, and almost completely had inferior
> performance specs to the -10 in most categories. Even the VNE was
> within a Knot or 2 of the -10.
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Subject: | Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
Well here I can't vouch for the accuracy of their article, but...
I think the RV-10's VNE is 200kts roughly...or around 230mph.
The VNE quoted in the Ovation3 article was probably in IAS,
and I think it was 201kts IAS. So yeah, I guess the Vne isn't
really that equal, given that we're supposed to be using TAS,
and they quoted what I believe is IAS. But, they're not THAT
much faster than the -10...oh, and they praised it's great climb,
but the -10 handily outclimbs it.
The baggage area though, you're right. The -10 has suited me
well, but if there was one thing I'd like more of,it's baggage
volume. We have lots, but my old plane had even more, and
as long as the stuff wasn't too heavy you could carry some
large things....like I stuffed in one of those 2 kid tow
behind bike carriers once...a big plastic one. Can't do that
in the -10.
Nope, the planes are really apples and oranges, so while we
can compare specs, it's still hard to really analyze
to certain levels.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Is Van's spec of 211mph top speed = Vne, or is there some higher number?
> The Ovation airframe is virtually identical to the Acclaim, which has a
> max cruise of 237kts, or 273mph. Vne is something above that. The
> Ovation 3 has 310hp engine and noticeably better climb and cruise than
> earlier versions with 280hp.
> Of course the -10 has many other advantages, as you noted, esp $$$$ &
> ease of entry. The current Mooneys have much bigger baggage area than
> the -10.
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>> -
>> Then yesterday, I read a review in Flying Mag's recent issue where
>> they reviewed the Mooney Ovation3...their fast normally aspirated
>> plane. I was again left impressed not with the Ovation, but with
>> what we can do with our RV-10's. That Ovation was well over $400,000,
>> and didn't cruise much faster, and almost completely had inferior
>> performance specs to the -10 in most categories. Even the VNE was
>> within a Knot or 2 of the -10.
>
>
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Subject: | They need an RV10 at Nellis AFB Next Year... |
Flying the RV10 for the first timeOff topic, but check this site out...
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Nellis2006/Highlights/ind
ex.html
Steve Roberts
Still lurking, but about to order the tail kit...
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Subject: | Transition Training |
I am going to get Training from Mike Seager in 2 weeks and was curious w
ho else was near the Vans facility besides Ed Hayden. If ED and the res
t of the RV builders will be available on May 8-12 I would love to see y
our project, ride in your plane or just have some great hanger talk. Al
so, where would you recommend staying while doing the trainsition traini
ng.
Just email me offline or call anytime to let me know.
Thanks,
DEAN 40449
402-560-9755
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curious who else was near the Vans facility besides Ed Hayden. If
ED and the rest of the RV builders will be available on May 8-12 I would
love to see your project, ride in your plane or just have some gre
at hanger talk. Also, where would you recommend staying while doin
g the trainsition training. </P>
<P>Just email me offline or call anytime to let me know.</P>
<P>Thanks,</P>
<P>DEAN 40449</P>
<P>402-560-9755</P>
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Subject: | They need an RV10 at Nellis AFB Next Year... |
Fantastic pictures!
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Roberts
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: They need an RV10 at Nellis AFB Next Year...
Off topic, but check this site out...
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Nellis2006/Highlights/index.
html
Steve Roberts
Still lurking, but about to order the tail kit...
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Subject: | Transition Training |
Better yet, we are having our NW RV-10 spring dinner on the 12th. Come to
that and meet a whole gaggle of builders. The dinner is being hosted by
Paul Grimstad. If all goes well we will have our biggest turnout, yet,
complete with special guests. I'll send along the official invite. I won't
be in town until the 12th, but you might want to drop by Bruce
Breckenridge's hanger at Lenhardt's (5 miles from Aurora) and see what he's
up to. He's right next to my hanger, so you can take a peek at mine as
well. Randy Debauw is behind the two of us. Plenty to see.
John Jessen
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Transition Training
I am going to get Training from Mike Seager in 2 weeks and was curious who
else was near the Vans facility besides Ed Hayden. If ED and the rest of
the RV builders will be available on May 8-12 I would love to see your
project, ride in your plane or just have some great hanger talk. Also,
where would you recommend staying while doing the trainsition training.
Just email me offline or call anytime to let me know.
Thanks,
DEAN 40449
402-560-9755
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Subject: | Re: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
You are right. The -10 empty weight is close to my 200hp Mooney(empty
1645, gross 2575), so has better power to weight than Ovation grossing
over 3300lbs and should climb better. Hmm, wonder how hard it would be
to extend the baggage area in the -10. Maybe just for skiis, golf bag, etc.
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Well here I can't vouch for the accuracy of their article, but...
>
> I think the RV-10's VNE is 200kts roughly...or around 230mph.
> The VNE quoted in the Ovation3 article was probably in IAS,
> and I think it was 201kts IAS. So yeah, I guess the Vne isn't
> really that equal, given that we're supposed to be using TAS,
> and they quoted what I believe is IAS. But, they're not THAT
> much faster than the -10...oh, and they praised it's great climb,
> but the -10 handily outclimbs it.
>
> The baggage area though, you're right. The -10 has suited me
> well, but if there was one thing I'd like more of,it's baggage
> volume. We have lots, but my old plane had even more, and
> as long as the stuff wasn't too heavy you could carry some
> large things....like I stuffed in one of those 2 kid tow
> behind bike carriers once...a big plastic one. Can't do that
> in the -10.
>
> Nope, the planes are really apples and oranges, so while we
> can compare specs, it's still hard to really analyze
> to certain levels.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
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Subject: | They need an RV10 at Nellis AFB Next Year... |
And both Rick and I should have our RV-10s there, and if not I'm going to
twist Russ Daves arm out of the socket to get his there.
Bob K
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Roberts
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: They need an RV10 at Nellis AFB Next Year...
Off topic, but check this site out...
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Nellis2006/Highlights/index.
html
Steve Roberts
Still lurking, but about to order the tail kit...
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Subject: | Officially an RV Builder |
Well it is 2 years and 5 days into my RV-10 build and this evening I
officially became a RV builder.
While drilling a #30 hole through the stainless FWF to mount a pass
through, as my drill bit went through the stainless it slipped past the
backing board and caught my finger. Fortunately it is only a slight
gash. No stitches required. It's time to quit for the night, get a
good night sleep and finish the final two holes in the morning.
Be safe out there.
--
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
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Subject: | Transition Training |
John
Does that mean tomorrow after I am done flying I can stop by and check
out the project?
I now have 7.1 hours, many landings, and am starting to feel like I have
a little more control....especially when there is more weight in the
back seat, but that is hard on the brakes. You will have to ask Ed about
it!
Dan
N289DT Finally finishing it up!
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Transition Training
Better yet, we are having our NW RV-10 spring dinner on the 12th. Come
to that and meet a whole gaggle of builders. The dinner is being hosted
by Paul Grimstad. If all goes well we will have our biggest turnout,
yet, complete with special guests. I'll send along the official invite.
I won't be in town until the 12th, but you might want to drop by Bruce
Breckenridge's hanger at Lenhardt's (5 miles from Aurora) and see what
he's up to. He's right next to my hanger, so you can take a peek at
mine as well. Randy Debauw is behind the two of us. Plenty to see.
John Jessen
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Transition Training
I am going to get Training from Mike Seager in 2 weeks and was curious
who else was near the Vans facility besides Ed Hayden. If ED and the
rest of the RV builders will be available on May 8-12 I would love to
see your project, ride in your plane or just have some great hanger
talk. Also, where would you recommend staying while doing the
trainsition training.
Just email me offline or call anytime to let me know.
Thanks,
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Subject: | RE: Officially an RV Builder |
Drat! I haven't joined the club yet. Well, tomorrow starts another
weekend at the hangar. No drilling planned, but I'll be using deck
screws, a chop saw, and maybe a nail or two.
Bruce
40018 Wing Stand
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Subject: | RE: Transition Training |
Dan;
Becky and I will be out at the hangar between noon and 2pm. We always
welcome guests. The more visitors, the greater my chances of actually
taking til 2014 to finish the plane!! We have a hangar phone - feel
free to use it: 503-263-0052 (hangar 52).
Bruce
40018 Wings
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