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1. 02:51 AM - Re: Overhead Seat Belt Holder Attach (Russell Daves)
2. 03:03 AM - Re: Rosen Visor Update (Russell Daves)
3. 03:30 AM - Re: Dash Cover (Russell Daves)
4. 04:04 AM - Re: nose wheel cocked in flight (Jim & Julie Wade)
5. 04:16 AM - Re: Crack in WD-1017 ()
6. 04:21 AM - Gas leak (Wayne Edgerton)
7. 04:45 AM - Re: Gas leak (Rob Kermanj)
8. 05:43 AM - Re: Gas leak (MauleDriver)
9. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight (Jesse Saint)
10. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight (Tim Olson)
11. 08:02 AM - OSH predictions anyone (Deems Davis)
12. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight (tgesele@optonline.net)
13. 08:27 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone ()
14. 08:34 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Tim Olson)
15. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight (Randy DeBauw)
16. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: OSH predictions anyone ()
17. 10:16 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
18. 10:25 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (John W. Cox)
19. 10:33 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (gary)
20. 10:34 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (John W. Cox)
21. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight (David McNeill)
22. 10:52 AM - Re: Gas leak (John W. Cox)
23. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight ()
24. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: OSH predictions anyone (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
25. 12:03 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
26. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight (linn Walters)
27. 12:09 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Deems Davis)
28. 12:33 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (dogsbark@comcast.net)
29. 12:42 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Jesse Saint)
30. 01:42 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
31. 01:44 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
32. 01:49 PM - Re: Gas leak (RV_10)
33. 02:15 PM - Re: Gas leak (Rob Kermanj)
34. 03:18 PM - Re: Gas leak (Carl Froehlich)
35. 03:59 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (bcondrey)
36. 07:26 PM - Re: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it? (Chris)
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Seat Belt Holder Attach |
In response to Mike Kraus' post a couple of days ago I shoot some
pictures of the shoulder harness belt holder that I made and installed.
It works great and can be viewed at:
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sholderbeltholder1dk3.jpg
You can see the angle which I bent into such holder on a brake here:
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shoulderbeltholder2zs8.jpg
You can also see the shoulder belts on such holder here:
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shoulderbeltholder3vj4.jpg
For storage you can either cross the belts as shown above or just put
them on the holder left and right. When flying without a co-pilot or
rear seat passengers I keep the shoulder belts and seat belts buckled up
so that they cannot fly around if something happens unexpectedly.
Russ Daves
N710RV - First Flight 7/28/06
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| Subject: | Re: Rosen Visor Update |
Original Message:
I do not now nor expect to ever have any "official endorsement by
Van's".
Nothing Saint Aviation is official to RV-10's either. Just trying
to help
pave the road for future RV-10'ers to be able to buy a visor
system without
having to reinvent the wheel.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
And your help is greatly appreciated by many of us. Keep up the great
work and keep the faith.
Russ Daves
N710RV - First flight 7/28/06
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Abby did my interior (minus seats) and I used her new edge trim and like
everything a lot.
A picture of the headliner and edge trim can be viewed at:
http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=headlinerab0.jpg
I ordered 90 feet of the edge trim from Abby at $96.00 including
shipping.
I installed hinge covers using nutplates pop riveted to the cabin top,
before install of the headliner, to screw on the hinge covers that I
also made out of the extra headliner material. Not shown in the picture
are hinge covers I also made to cover the door hinges as well. The give
a pretty nice finished look and you don't have to hassle with working
the headliner material completely down into the hinge recess in the
cabin top. After gluing down, just cut a small X in each recess and
glue down the edges.
My helper, who does upholstery used a steamer to stretch the headliner
material to get a better fit around the edges and curves.
It only looks good because of his expertise, not because of my work.
Hope to see some of you at the Texas RV flyin May 26, 2007. More info
is at:
http://www.vansairforce.net/tex/tex.htm
Russ Daves
N710RV - First Flight 7/28/06
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| Subject: | Re: nose wheel cocked in flight |
I talked to Van himself at S&F and he said he has had the same problem on occasion.
I fly of a grass strip and have the problem too often. The nose wheel stays
cocked in flight no matter what I do I can't straighten it in flight. I can
touch and to and it will straighten up. When it is cocked I have to hold a lot
of rudder to center the ball. I have taken mine apart and can not work out why.
Van says he can't either. If someone comes up with the answer please let us
know!!!!
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111770#111770
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| Subject: | Re: Crack in WD-1017 |
Interesting!
I just mounted mine and the gap is 2.54 MM (0.097") too tight and because of the
way its made I cannot move it. If that gap was open and the tightened bolt
closes it, then you have the problem in your pictures.
I thought I had two options. Return the part to vans or machine the two mm off
the bushing and get all the tolerances right.
My plan is to machine the bushing to fit and leave the weldment alone.
Hmmmm..
Jim Combs
N312F
40192
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From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Crack in WD-1017
A couple of weeks ago while I was working on my nose wheel fairing, I
discovered a crack in my WD-1017 (see pictures). I had inspected the 1017
before I installed it last fall and other than pushing the airplane in and
out of the hanger once, it has just sat there. You might want to inspect
yours. I returned it to Vans and they have provided me a new one.
After removing the 1017 to send it back, it looked like the left flange was
angled out slightly.
Rene'
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
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I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully give
me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel and
yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates in
preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas leak
coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing and
apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.
Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in the
air. Oh well move on I guess.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
getting closer (I think)
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You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not
know. Use Loctite 290. It works wonders. I had the same issue with
my QB wings.
On May 9, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully
> give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel
> and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates
> in preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas
> leak coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing
> and apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks
> test.
>
> Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in
> the air. Oh well move on I guess.
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
> getting closer (I think)
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List_-
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I'm preparing to test my QB tanks. Any hints on what/where to look?
Did other QB wing people test the tanks?
I intend to use a fuel seal product on the sender unit instead of
Pro-seal. I understand that the fuel seal products are designed to seal
while remaining pliable enough to be removed later.
Rob Kermanj wrote:
> You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not
> know. Use Loctite 290. It works wonders. I had the same issue with
> my QB wings.
>
> On May 9, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully
>> give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel
>> and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates
>> in preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas
>> leak coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing
>> and apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.
>>
>> Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in
>> the air. Oh well move on I guess.
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>>
>> getting closer (I think)
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| Subject: | Re: nose wheel cocked in flight |
I don't know if this has happened to us or not because we have rudder trim.
With the trim (and no indicator except the ball), it is hard to tell if the
nose wheel is cocked to one side. I imagine this creates a great amount of
drag. The only thing I can suggest is to relieve a little of the tension on
the pivot so it doesn't take as much force to turn the nose wheel, while not
making it too loose. I can say that they loosen up from use from the
initial setting (26 lbs at the axle), but I imagine they don't loosen up too
much after that first adjustment. If you leave it too loose, then you get a
shimmy on landing - big time. If you have it too tight, it won't straighten
up in flight. Unfortunately, there is a lot of pressure adjustment when
just turning one flat on the nut, so there is a limited amount of fine
tuning possible.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Julie
Wade
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight
<jwade@msdeltawireless.com>
I talked to Van himself at S&F and he said he has had the same problem on
occasion. I fly of a grass strip and have the problem too often. The nose
wheel stays cocked in flight no matter what I do I can't straighten it in
flight. I can touch and to and it will straighten up. When it is cocked I
have to hold a lot of rudder to center the ball. I have taken mine apart and
can not work out why. Van says he can't either. If someone comes up with the
answer please let us know!!!!
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111770#111770
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10:34 AM
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| Subject: | Re: nose wheel cocked in flight |
I've checked mine a couple times now. It really does need a
re-adjustment, as you mentioned, in perhaps the first 50-75 hours
to get it back into that mid-20's for breakaway torque.
But, then after a couple hundred hours it is fairly loose again...not
nearly in the 20's for breakaway torque. The problem is, as you
noted, just going one more flat gives it too much torque, so until
you either drill through a castle top and make an in-between
position, or wait for it to loosen even more, you're kind of stuck.
It's an unfortunate situation. I thought about drilling a 2nd
hole in the leg, but I cringe at weakening that area more than
necessary. I do have a shimmy though, briefily, just a couple
kts on either side of 35, so one of these days I'm going to have
to get it adjusted again.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> I don't know if this has happened to us or not because we have rudder trim.
> With the trim (and no indicator except the ball), it is hard to tell if the
> nose wheel is cocked to one side. I imagine this creates a great amount of
> drag. The only thing I can suggest is to relieve a little of the tension on
> the pivot so it doesn't take as much force to turn the nose wheel, while not
> making it too loose. I can say that they loosen up from use from the
> initial setting (26 lbs at the axle), but I imagine they don't loosen up too
> much after that first adjustment. If you leave it too loose, then you get a
> shimmy on landing - big time. If you have it too tight, it won't straighten
> up in flight. Unfortunately, there is a lot of pressure adjustment when
> just turning one flat on the nut, so there is a limited amount of fine
> tuning possible.
>
> Jesse Saint
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think we
need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
(He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
So anybody up for a pool?
Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this year?
Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
(I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: nose wheel cocked in flight |
Based on a situation I ran into while getting my BFR in a -6A, I would not recommend
loosening the nosewheel. The instructor (being in one of his more sadistic
moods), wanted to see how I handled a cross wind landing near the limits of
the plane. In that instance, I needed to use full rudder and the nosewheel ended
up cocking 90 deg to the runway and, when the nosewheel set down, it sounded
and felt like the plane was going to shake apart. It did straighten after skipping
a few times but we were lucky there was no damage and the nosegear didn't
collapse.
BTW, I believe this was not long after the plane's annual so it's unlikely the
torque on the nosewheel was out of specs...
Just something to keep in mind.
Tom Gesele #473 Finishing
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight
>
> I don't know if this has happened to us or not because we have
> rudder trim.
> With the trim (and no indicator except the ball), it is hard to
> tell if the
> nose wheel is cocked to one side. I imagine this creates a
> great amount of
> drag. The only thing I can suggest is to relieve a little of
> the tension on
> the pivot so it doesn't take as much force to turn the nose
> wheel, while not
> making it too loose. I can say that they loosen up from use
> from the
> initial setting (26 lbs at the axle), but I imagine they don't
> loosen up too
> much after that first adjustment. If you leave it too loose,
> then you get a
> shimmy on landing - big time. If you have it too tight, it
> won't straighten
> up in flight. Unfortunately, there is a lot of pressure
> adjustment when
> just turning one flat on the nut, so there is a limited amount
> of fine
> tuning possible.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH predictions anyone |
>
>>
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
You can find that answer at: http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/2007_attendees.html
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| Subject: | Re: OSH predictions anyone |
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: nose wheel cocked in flight |
I know that my nose wheel wasn't too tight as I has expected. It is odd
that there isn't enough wheel pant length to act on the wind hitting the
side of the wheel pant to align it. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tgesele@optonline.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight
Based on a situation I ran into while getting my BFR in a -6A, I would
not recommend loosening the nosewheel. The instructor (being in one of
his more sadistic moods), wanted to see how I handled a cross wind
landing near the limits of the plane. In that instance, I needed to use
full rudder and the nosewheel ended up cocking 90 deg to the runway and,
when the nosewheel set down, it sounded and felt like the plane was
going to shake apart. It did straighten after skipping a few times but
we were lucky there was no damage and the nosegear didn't collapse.
BTW, I believe this was not long after the plane's annual so it's
unlikely the torque on the nosewheel was out of specs...
Just something to keep in mind.
Tom Gesele #473 Finishing
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight
>
> I don't know if this has happened to us or not because we have
> rudder trim.
> With the trim (and no indicator except the ball), it is hard to
> tell if the
> nose wheel is cocked to one side. I imagine this creates a
> great amount of
> drag. The only thing I can suggest is to relieve a little of
> the tension on
> the pivot so it doesn't take as much force to turn the nose
> wheel, while not
> making it too loose. I can say that they loosen up from use
> from the
> initial setting (26 lbs at the axle), but I imagine they don't
> loosen up too
> much after that first adjustment. If you leave it too loose,
> then you get a
> shimmy on landing - big time. If you have it too tight, it
> won't straighten
> up in flight. Unfortunately, there is a lot of pressure
> adjustment when
> just turning one flat on the nut, so there is a limited amount
> of fine
> tuning possible.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH predictions anyone |
>
>
>> I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
> year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
> I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
> participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
> camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
> We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
> year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
> really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
> out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
> and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
> sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
> late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
> use it technically.
>
I was currently planning on camping in the North 40 next to my Cherokee. I would
be very interested in joining a group of 10 builders/flyers in Scholler.
My only concern would be how to get the gear from the plane in the North 40 to
the campsite and back. Unfortunately, my camping gear isn't easily backpackable.
Are the trams running prior to Monday?
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles from me
and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys (I nominate
Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots are needed and if
you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight line) as possible. Just
let me know what's needed.
I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I guess I'll
be there by default.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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Until I finish licking my wounds from "06 and the dismal showing, I am
still operating in a deep Beer deficit that I promised Mr. Sausen I
would stand behind.
Few of the more than 700 kits purchased have ever surfaced on either the
matronics, yahoo or RV list. I still track about 50% of the total in my
database. About 10% are semi-regular posters. It could just be
representative of lurkers as a lot. I second the anemic possibility of
25-30 even given the fabulous RV Central, motorized couch and Camp
Condrey setting of '06.
The big news should be the release of the RV-12 as the minor glitches
get ironed out. Rotax is rumbling about a F.I. turbo-charged version
which would make a twin RV-10 a real possibility for a true-blood hot
rodder. Fuel will be repressively expensive but is balanced by the
exceptional beer, brats and cheese hospitality of Wisconsin residents in
mass. The VLJs are coming on strong, the LSAs think they are now ready
for prime time, and the EAA has put great daily Airshows together.
Marion B. will have a lot to atone for if Congress lets her funding
philosophies pass.
The 51% committee met yesterday in Milwaukie, WI. Silent on correcting
the issues as always. Lets sell more kits.
Standing with you at not more than 30 in '07. Did everyone else feel
the feeling of loss I got when Bob Collins pulled the plug on the RV
Hotline?
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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Bob and I will set up HQ again this year. We have not yet coordinated when
we will be arriving but a few days before OSH starts.
Gary
40274
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think we
need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
(He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
So anybody up for a pool?
Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this year?
Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
(I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
I misread the question... not uncommon with my circadian rhythms, age
and weather changes these days. Fourteen (14) known and unknown, to be
completed and capable of making the pilgrimage with the other 79
"Flying". Then of course there are the masses that tried but pulled
back from the crunch last year.
Scott, I still think you should put it up for judging. Not to exceed 30
in attendance including the mass produced ones.
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think we
need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
(He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
So anybody up for a pool?
Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this year?
Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
(I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: nose wheel cocked in flight |
And we know how to fix that. I believe the Cherokee 6 has a fin aft of the
pant.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: RE: RV10-List: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight
I know that my nose wheel wasn't too tight as I has expected. It is odd that
there isn't enough wheel pant length to act on the wind hitting the side of
the wheel pant to align it. Randy
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tgesele@optonline.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight
Based on a situation I ran into while getting my BFR in a -6A, I would not
recommend loosening the nosewheel. The instructor (being in one of his more
sadistic moods), wanted to see how I handled a cross wind landing near the
limits of the plane. In that instance, I needed to use full rudder and the
nosewheel ended up cocking 90 deg to the runway and, when the nosewheel set
down, it sounded and felt like the plane was going to shake apart. It did
straighten after skipping a few times but we were lucky there was no damage
and the nosegear didn't collapse.
BTW, I believe this was not long after the plane's annual so it's unlikely
the torque on the nosewheel was out of specs...
Just something to keep in mind.
Tom Gesele #473 Finishing
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight
>
> I don't know if this has happened to us or not because we have
> rudder trim.
> With the trim (and no indicator except the ball), it is hard to
> tell if the
> nose wheel is cocked to one side. I imagine this creates a
> great amount of
> drag. The only thing I can suggest is to relieve a little of
> the tension on
> the pivot so it doesn't take as much force to turn the nose
> wheel, while not
> making it too loose. I can say that they loosen up from use
> from the
> initial setting (26 lbs at the axle), but I imagine they don't
> loosen up too
> much after that first adjustment. If you leave it too loose,
> then you get a
> shimmy on landing - big time. If you have it too tight, it
> won't straighten
> up in flight. Unfortunately, there is a lot of pressure
> adjustment when
> just turning one flat on the nut, so there is a limited amount
> of fine
> tuning possible.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>>
>
>
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Wayne it is a great idea to retest your tanks before primer and topcoat.
It can be a heartbreaker to see the stains develop through the finish
when proseal can be placed at the errant rivet to mitigate the QB
workmanship. Remember that the wing is going to do a lot of flexing and
can break most sealing agents loose with just reasonable future flights.
John Cox #600
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Gas leak
I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully give
me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel and
yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates in
preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas leak
coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing and
apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.
Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in the
air. Oh well move on I guess.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
getting closer (I think)
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| Subject: | Re: nose wheel cocked in flight |
>
> From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
> Date: 2007/05/09 Wed PM 12:34:54 EST
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: RV10-List: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight
>
> And we know how to fix that. I believe the Cherokee 6 has a fin aft of the
> pant.
All the Cherokees have the fin.
They put 8 quarts of oil in at the annual and I've been cleaning that darn thing
after every flight for the last month. I'll be glad when it drops below quarts
and I don't have to clean the bottom side as much.
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| Subject: | Re: OSH predictions anyone |
We will have our Expedition, and will be happy to coordinate picking
your stuff up and moving it back and forth for you.
Dan
N289DT
RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rvmail@thelefflers.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
>
>> I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
> year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
> I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
> participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
> camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
> We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
> year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
> really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
> out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
> and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
> sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
> late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
> use it technically.
>
I was currently planning on camping in the North 40 next to my Cherokee.
I would be very interested in joining a group of 10 builders/flyers in
Scholler.
My only concern would be how to get the gear from the plane in the North
40 to the campsite and back. Unfortunately, my camping gear isn't easily
backpackable.
Are the trams running prior to Monday?
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Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
(I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
guess I'll be there by default.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: nose wheel cocked in flight |
rvmail@thelefflers.com wrote:
>
>All the Cherokees have the fin.
>
>They put 8 quarts of oil in at the annual and I've been cleaning that darn thing
after every flight for the last month. I'll be glad when it drops below quarts
and I don't have to clean the bottom side as much.
>
You need to educate them to only fill to 6 qts. One of the good things
about owner assisted annuals. And you learn a whole lot more about your
airplane as a bonus. You won't have to clean the belly as often. But
then, it might rust. :-D
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: OSH predictions anyone |
What no Subie!!!!! =-O
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
> We will have our Expedition, and will be happy to coordinate picking
> your stuff up and moving it back and forth for you.
> Dan
> N289DT
> RV10E
>
> ----
>
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Deems......that was good. Thanks for the laugh.
Sean Blair
#40225
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> What no Subie!!!!! =-O
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> >
> > We will have our Expedition, and will be happy to coordinate picking
> > your stuff up and moving it back and forth for you.
> > Dan
> > N289DT
> > RV10E
> >
> > ----
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
Lloyd, Lloyd, Lloyd! Why in the world would you take your Expedition if you
are flying in your -10? I don't think the baggage area is that big. You
are hoping to fly soon, aren't you? Even though some of us are not brave
enough to go Subie yet, I believe most of us want to see you fly. Please
don't leave the plane home if you are flying!
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
(I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
guess I'll be there by default.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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The Expedition is for his maintenance crew. LMAO! Now back to work, I expect
to see that thing there!
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Lloyd, Lloyd, Lloyd! Why in the world would you take your Expedition if you
are flying in your -10? I don't think the baggage area is that big. You
are hoping to fly soon, aren't you? Even though some of us are not brave
enough to go Subie yet, I believe most of us want to see you fly. Please
don't leave the plane home if you are flying!
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
(I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
guess I'll be there by default.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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The irony is your RV-10 will cost less to get there than the SUV. No worries,
I have a RAM 3500 with a full size bed and crew cab. If he can't fit it in
there he's got bigger issues.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
(I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
guess I'll be there by default.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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Wayne,
Did you just apply the Loctite 290 to the outside of the offending rivet and
let it seep into the joint, or did you do something else?
Thanks,
John Cleary
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas leak
You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not know. Use
Loctite 290. It works wonders. I had the same issue with my QB wings.
On May 9, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully give me
his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel and yesterday I
was under the wing taking off the inspection plates in preparation for the
DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas leak coming out from one if the
rivets. This is a quick build wing and apparently those guys in the
Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.
Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in the air.
Oh well move on I guess.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
getting closer (I think)
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John, this is Rob. i will send you the Loctite Data sheet to your
email address so you can read it. Basically, you put a drop on the
rivet, come back the next day and find that the stuff is still liquid
and wonder what the heck?
The liquid seeps around the rivet and will solidify where there is no
air. If the rivet is leaking on the bottom and you have gas in the
tank, I suggest that you empty it. However read the directions.
n May 9, 2007, at 4:47 PM, RV_10 wrote:
> Wayne,
>
>
> Did you just apply the Loctite 290 to the outside of the offending
> rivet and let it seep into the joint, or did you do something else?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Cleary
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 9:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas leak
>
>
> You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not
> know. Use Loctite 290. It works wonders. I had the same issue with
> my QB wings.
>
>
> On May 9, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>
> I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully
> give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel
> and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates
> in preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas
> leak coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing
> and apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks
> test.
>
> Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in
> the air. Oh well move on I guess.
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
> getting closer (I think)
>
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Recommend using proseal on the senders. I have heard of others using fuel
lube on the senders, but they started leaking with time. Odds are the leak
will start right after you get done painting! If you need to pull a sender,
it is not too hard running a putty knife under the proseal to get it out.
For that matter, I flew my RV-8A the first 100 hours with just the
fiberglass painted (a quick one coat garage job). No fuel leaks until just
before taking the plane down for final painting. At that point I found one
rivet on the rear baffle of the left tank weeping fuel. Easy to fix before
paint - a pain afterward. I'll fly my RV-10 for at least 100 hours before
final paint.
Carl Froehlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas leak
I'm preparing to test my QB tanks. Any hints on what/where to look?
Did other QB wing people test the tanks?
I intend to use a fuel seal product on the sender unit instead of
Pro-seal. I understand that the fuel seal products are designed to seal
while remaining pliable enough to be removed later.
Rob Kermanj wrote:
> You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not
> know. Use Loctite 290. It works wonders. I had the same issue with
> my QB wings.
>
> On May 9, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully
>> give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel
>> and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates
>> in preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas
>> leak coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing
>> and apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.
>>
>> Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in
>> the air. Oh well move on I guess.
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>>
>> getting closer (I think)
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I will be there early but like Gary said, we haven't really coordinated yet. Last
year got a little crazy trying to secure spots before they were gone so I'd
prefer to get commitments in advance and then secure a section of contiguous
sites in the same area as last year. The legally secure the site (actually be
able to tag it) you wind up paying from the moment the tag is issued until the
last day of AirVenture but can get refunded for days that you leave early.
I'll have to look back at a calendar, but I belive that I actually got there
the Wednesday before Airventure started and that worked out but there were only
about 4 sites actually available along the treeline. Across the "road" to the
west it was wide open though.
We'll figure something out over the next month or so and then post it on this and
the VansAirforce RV-10 forums.
I don't see any problem if some folks need an assist with transportation - I will
be doing things slightly differently this year and will have a car there in
addition to the motorhome. I would imagine that there will be at least a couple
of other vehicles available if folks needs help getting equipment back and
forth from the North 40.
Assuming there's enough interest, it would be no problem at all putting together
an RV-10 BBQ. In fact last year we had essentially that on the spur of the
moment. I know that Adrian is also planning to bring along another couple of
bushels of sweet corn again too!
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it? |
I like that zit.... zit......zit..... too as the engine hummed along. It
meant all is well.
-Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get it?
> Because strobes produce a lot of electrical noise and by physically
> seperating the wire runs it lessens the chance of the electrical wires
> acting like an antenna and pickup the noise via any magnetic field
> surounding the strobe wiring. Which sounded reasonable to me.
>
> The strobe wire shield grounded at the power supply should take care of
> it, but if a few bucks of snap rings and a little work helps, why not?
> I've flown in too many airplanes with the mellow almost soothing
> zit-zit-zit of the strobe in the headsets:) Though most of these were
> probably grounding issues.
>
> Vern Smith (#324 tail cone attachment)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chris
> Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 4:14 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get
> it?
>
>
>
> Why did your tech counselor not want the stobe wires in the same conduit?
> Chris Lucas
> #40072 Fuselage top
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:33 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring Harness from Vans - should I plan to get
> it?
>
>
> >
> >>
> > My EAA Tech. consoler didn't like seeing the strobe wires ran in the
> > same conduit as electrical wiring so I pulled it separately through snap
> > rings and then ran one conduit for antenna wire and another for
> > electrical wiring with a spacing of greater than 6 inch between the
> > runs. As far as supplies there are a number of venders. SteinAir has
> > been very helpful.
> >
> > This is probably more info than you want:)
> > Hope it's helps,
> >
> > Vern Smith (#324 tail cone attachment)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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