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1. 04:02 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Russell Daves)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Gas leak (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
5. 07:02 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Gas leak (Deems Davis)
8. 07:20 AM - Additional item to check at condition inspection time. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
9. 07:22 AM - Re: Gas leak (Rob Kermanj)
10. 07:22 AM - Re: Gas leak (Mark Ritter)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Deems Davis)
12. 08:05 AM - Re: Gas leak (Sam Marlow)
13. 08:23 AM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (John Gonzalez)
14. 08:29 AM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Pascal)
15. 08:55 AM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
16. 08:59 AM - Re: Gas leak (Rob Kermanj)
17. 09:19 AM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Vern W. Smith)
18. 09:24 AM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Mark Ritter)
19. 09:59 AM - -10 project for sale (John Hasbrouck)
20. 11:24 AM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Pascal)
21. 11:35 AM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Pascal)
22. 12:06 PM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (MauleDriver)
23. 01:00 PM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Kelly McMullen)
24. 01:08 PM - Re: Gas leak (Jesse Saint)
25. 01:29 PM - Re: Gas leak (John Gonzalez)
26. 01:30 PM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Pascal)
27. 01:43 PM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (John W. Cox)
28. 02:31 PM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Pascal)
29. 03:32 PM - OSH Camping (Marcus Cooper)
30. 03:54 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (The McGough Family)
31. 05:24 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (John W. Cox)
32. 05:40 PM - Short and to the point (John W. Cox)
33. 06:37 PM - Re: Short and to the point (Jesse Saint)
34. 07:24 PM - Re: Short and to the point (Pascal)
35. 08:02 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (evmeg@snowcrest.net)
36. 08:46 PM - Re: OSH predictions anyone (Kelly McMullen)
37. 09:57 PM - Aileron torque tube help (The McGough Family)
38. 10:17 PM - Re: Short and to the point (John W. Cox)
39. 11:02 PM - QB Wing Inspection and Questions (Bill Reining)
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| Subject: | Re: OSH predictions anyone |
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Subject: OSH predictions anyone
Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
(I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
Check out the currently registered attendees at:
http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/2007_attendees.html
It would really help Bob Collins out if you are going to attend to
register as soon as you have your plans firmed up.
We are coming in Sunday morning and leaving Thursday.
Russ Daves
N710RV - First Flight 7/28/06
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Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then
turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then let
it set. Is that what you previous leak experience people did?
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
Maintenance crew, now you are funny, it is to carry the cotton baby
diapers to wipe off all the drool and fingerprints everyone will be
putting on it!
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
The Expedition is for his maintenance crew. LMAO! Now back to work, I
expect to see that thing there!
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Lloyd, Lloyd, Lloyd! Why in the world would you take your Expedition if
you
are flying in your -10? I don't think the baggage area is that big.
You
are hoping to fly soon, aren't you? Even though some of us are not
brave
enough to go Subie yet, I believe most of us want to see you fly.
Please
don't leave the plane home if you are flying!
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
(I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
guess I'll be there by default.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
Keep in mind I am a glutinous American, so why only take one, I will be
taking both the RV10E and the Expedition, it is my right to burn as much
fuel as possible on a trip!
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
The irony is your RV-10 will cost less to get there than the SUV. No
worries, I have a RAM 3500 with a full size bed and crew cab. If he
can't fit it in there he's got bigger issues.
Michael
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
(I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
guess I'll be there by default.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
I will be flying in, but Trish has to drive our sleeping arrangements!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
What no Subie!!!!! =-O
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Do Not Archive
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> We will have our Expedition, and will be happy to coordinate picking
> your stuff up and moving it back and forth for you.
> Dan
> N289DT
> RV10E
>
> ----
>
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
Guys,
The RV10 is large, but it does not have a trailer hitch, and the pop-up
is too big to fit into the baggage area, so because we will be there the
whole week my wife offered to drive up and meet us there.
I SHOULD be there with the RV10E and the Expedition.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Lloyd, Lloyd, Lloyd! Why in the world would you take your Expedition if
you
are flying in your -10? I don't think the baggage area is that big.
You
are hoping to fly soon, aren't you? Even though some of us are not
brave
enough to go Subie yet, I believe most of us want to see you fly.
Please
don't leave the plane home if you are flying!
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
(I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
guess I'll be there by default.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
we
> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>
> So anybody up for a pool?
>
I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
Just a guess.
> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>
I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
use it technically.
>
> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
year?
>
>
Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>
Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
there last year.
>
> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>
Ain't THAT the truth!
-Tim
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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The posts/info that I recall reading on this topic also suggested that
you put a 'weak' vacuum on the tank to try and draw the Locktite into
the leak area. HOWEVER, that advice also came with a STRONG warning to
be careful and NOT collapse the tanks by putting too great a vacuum to it.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then
> turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then
> let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience people did?
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Additional item to check at condition inspection time. |
I'm in the middle of my rolling condition inspection and one of the things I did
for the Firewall Forward was to shim the two top engine mount bolts because
initially when I did the cowl, I allowed a little too much (5/16") for engine
sag. So I thought that after 245 hours on the plane the engine would have sagged
enough to just correct the rest of the spinner alignment by shimming the
top engine bolts where the engine mount meets the firewall. Two steel washers
measuring 1/8" thick on each side did the trick and the spinner matches the top
of the cowl perfectly now. Well with this done, I buttoned up the cowl and
went for a test flight. Everything was fine for engine run-up and off I went.
At 2000 AGL I leveled off and adjusted throttle and prop to 20 squared. While
screwing out the prop, at about 1" out it started to get a lot harder to screw
out. I kept going because it wasn't too bad yet, but then all of a sudden
the engine went from 2300 rpm to something like 1000 or so. I immediately started
to screw the prop back in and headed back to the airport.
On my way back I had a few moments to think about this and figured it was the
prop linkage hitting the upper air dam. What had happened is the rod-end was
up inside the air dam when the prop is fully in, but once you screw it out about
1", it gets to the point where it was hitting the cutout in the air dam, then
as I kept screwing it out, it did nothing to the RPM until it finally popped
out on the underside of the air dam and this is when the RPM went from 2300
to something really low all at the same time. Once I was back on the ground,
I looked at the rod-end bearing at the governor and sure enough, it was hitting
the air dam. Since I shimmed the engine by 1/8", it not only dropped the engine
at the spinner, but it also moved the engine forward just enough so the prop
linkage was hitting the upper air dam. A stupid thing to overlook on my part.
Anyway, I thought I would share this with everyone so they check the clearance
of the prop linkage as it goes up through the air dam at there condition inspection.
This is important because as the engine sags in time, the clearance you
had at first flight may be different now and you may need to remove a little
more of the upper dam to have the proper clearance.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
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Yes, but of course I was lucky and my leak was on top and I did not
have to remove the tank. My luck did not last long though. Shortly
after painting, I discovered other leaks that necessitate the
removal, cutting and repairing the inside of the tank.
do not archive.
On May 10, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and
> then turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet
> and then let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience
> people did?
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List_-
> ============================================================ _-
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I drilled out the leaking rivet prior to painting and replaced it with a
cherry max rivet dipped in pro seal. 95 hours later no problems.
Mark
N410MR
Austin, TX
>From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas leak
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:10:06 -0500
>
>Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then turn
>it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then let it set.
>Is that what you previous leak experience people did?
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| Subject: | Re: OSH predictions anyone |
Wheww !!!!!
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
> I will be flying in, but Trish has to drive our sleeping arrangements!
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E
>
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Was this a QB wing tank? If so,what did Van's have to say?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
Rob Kermanj wrote:
> Yes, but of course I was lucky and my leak was on top and I did not
> have to remove the tank. My luck did not last long though. Shortly
> after painting, I discovered other leaks that necessitate the removal,
> cutting and repairing the inside of the tank.
>
> do not archive.
>
> On May 10, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then
>> turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then
>> let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience people did?
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
At least you have one really good engine, unless you put a 7.3L diesel in
that Expedition. In that case you have two good engines and all wheel drive
to boot. Maybe seven whell drive.
John
>From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:42:53 -0400
>
>
>Keep in mind I am a glutinous American, so why only take one, I will be
>taking both the RV10E and the Expedition, it is my right to burn as much
>fuel as possible on a trip!
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
>(Michael Sausen)
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:42 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> The irony is your RV-10 will cost less to get there than the SUV. No
>worries, I have a RAM 3500 with a full size bed and crew cab. If he
>can't fit it in there he's got bigger issues.
>
>Michael
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
>R.
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
><LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
>Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
>expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
>Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
>Dan
>N289DT RV10E
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
>(Michael Sausen)
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
>from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
>(I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
>are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
>line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
>
> I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
>guess I'll be there by default.
>
>Michael Sausen
>-10 #352 Limbo
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
>
>
>Deems Davis wrote:
> >
> > Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
>we
> > need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> > Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> > (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> > reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> > Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
> >
> > So anybody up for a pool?
> >
>
>I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
>Just a guess.
>
>
> > Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
> >
>
>I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
>year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
>I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
>participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
>camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
>We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
>year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
>really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
>out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
>and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
>sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
>late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
>use it technically.
>
>
> >
> > Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
>year?
> >
> >
>
>Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
>column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
>for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
>start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
>to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
>
> > Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
> >
>
>Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
>I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
>of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
>logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
>25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
>there last year.
> >
> > (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
> >
>
>Ain't THAT the truth!
>-Tim
>
> > Deems Davis # 406
> > Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> > http://deemsrv10.com/
> >
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
Les;
Good day!
I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for DTM
wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned to use
a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use MEK,
Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare the
surface for the DTM primer.
Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me today.
Regards!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> Michael
>
> I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad and
> then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
>
> Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the sprayer.
> So
> fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the desired
> coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which was
> what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
>
> The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
> primer
> film. I believe this is the intended result.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready to
> paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine before
> applying a self etching primer called SME.
>
> Michael Chase
> 40644
> --------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server
> Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> Brian
>
> I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few parts
> so
> far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue - just a
> lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I just
> have a thin primer film.
>
> I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is called SW
> DTM and = can be found on their website at : http://makeashorterlink.c
> om/?C1864622E
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
I had heard never to use simple green around aluminum? Can someone
confirm or deny?
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Les;
Good day!
I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for DTM
wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned to
use
a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use
MEK,
Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare
the
surface for the DTM primer.
Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
today.
Regards!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> Michael
>
> I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad
and
> then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
>
> Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
sprayer.
> So
> fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the
desired
> coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which
was
> what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
>
> The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
> primer
> film. I believe this is the intended result.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready
to
> paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
before
> applying a self etching primer called SME.
>
> Michael Chase
> 40644
> --------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server
> Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> Brian
>
> I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
parts
> so
> far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue - just
a
> lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I
just
> have a thin primer film.
>
> I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
called SW
> DTM and = can be found on their website at :
http://makeashorterlink.c
> om/?C1864622E
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>
>
>
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Yes it was QB tank. They were sympathetic and supplied everything I
needed for the repair.
Do not archive.
On May 10, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Sam Marlow wrote:
>
> Was this a QB wing tank? If so,what did Van's have to say?
> Thanks,
> Sam Marlow
>
> Rob Kermanj wrote:
>> Yes, but of course I was lucky and my leak was on top and I did
>> not have to remove the tank. My luck did not last long though.
>> Shortly after painting, I discovered other leaks that necessitate
>> the removal, cutting and repairing the inside of the tank.
>>
>> do not archive.
>>
>> On May 10, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>>
>>> Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and
>>> then turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet
>>> and then let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience
>>> people did?
>>> * - The RV10-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-
>>> space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-
>>> List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-
>>> converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com*
>>> *
>>> *
>> *
>> *
>> **
>>
>>
>> **
>
>
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| Subject: | Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
Pascal,
If memory serves me regular Simply Green causes corrosion on aluminum.
Because of this, Simply Green came up with a formula for aircraft which
is not supposed to promote corrosion. I wonder which one he was
recommending.
Just food for thought,
Vern Smith (tailcone attachment #324)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Les;
Good day!
I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for DTM
wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned to
use
a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use
MEK,
Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare
the
surface for the DTM primer.
Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
today.
Regards!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> Michael
>
> I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad
and
> then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
>
> Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
sprayer.
> So
> fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the
desired
> coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which
was
> what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
>
> The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
> primer
> film. I believe this is the intended result.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready
to
> paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
before
> applying a self etching primer called SME.
>
> Michael Chase
> 40644
> --------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server
> Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> Brian
>
> I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
parts
> so
> far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue - just
a
> lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I
just
> have a thin primer film.
>
> I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
called SW
> DTM and = can be found on their website at :
http://makeashorterlink.c
> om/?C1864622E
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
I use Extreme Simple Green on the dirty side and it works great. Directions
on the bottle ok its use on aluminum.
Mark
N410MR
>From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:55:20 -0400
>
>
>I had heard never to use simple green around aluminum? Can someone
>confirm or deny?
>Dan
>N289DT RV10E
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:27 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
>Les;
>Good day!
>I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for DTM
>
>wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned to
>use
>a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use
>MEK,
>Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare
>the
>surface for the DTM primer.
>Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
>today.
>Regards!
>Pascal
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad
>and
> > then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
> >
> > Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
>sprayer.
> > So
> > fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the
>desired
> > coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which
>was
> > what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
> >
> > The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
> > primer
> > film. I believe this is the intended result.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Les Kearney
> > #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready
>to
> > paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
>before
> > applying a self etching primer called SME.
> >
> > Michael Chase
> > 40644
> > --------------------------
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server
> > Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
>parts
> > so
> > far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue - just
>a
> > lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I
>just
> > have a thin primer film.
> >
> > I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
>called SW
> > DTM and = can be found on their website at :
>http://makeashorterlink.c
> > om/?C1864622E
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Les Kearney
> > #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | -10 project for sale |
They say that life is what happens while you build an airplane, well
"they" were right. My RV-10 project is for sale ( regretfully ). Ready
for finish kit. Consider it a super-quickbuild. e-mail me off line at:
jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com for details. Based at Dayton Wright Bros.
(MGY)...
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
For long term use one wants to use Extreme (aircraft friendly)
http://www.simplegreen.com/pdfs/07_msds_extreme_aircraft.pdf simple green.
The normal simple green supposedly showed problems after prolonged use. BUT
for for cleaning and rinsing than it was fine.
Les;
He was suggesting ANY water based cleaner. Simple Green being the example he
gave.
http://consumer.simplegreen.com/cons_prod_ori.php- General purpose cleaner
info
http://consumer.simplegreen.com/cons_buy_canada.php- where to buy in Canada.
ANY aluminum cleaner that is water based is the key for the DTM wash primer,
versus using a non water based chemical- at least per the manufacturer.
Pascal
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
> I use Extreme Simple Green on the dirty side and it works great.
> Directions on the bottle ok its use on aluminum.
>
> Mark
> N410MR
>
>
>>From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:55:20 -0400
>>
>>
>>I had heard never to use simple green around aluminum? Can someone
>>confirm or deny?
>>Dan
>>N289DT RV10E
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
>>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:27 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>
>>
>>Les;
>>Good day!
>>I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for DTM
>>
>>wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned to
>>use
>>a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use
>>MEK,
>>Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare
>>the
>>surface for the DTM primer.
>>Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
>>today.
>>Regards!
>>Pascal
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> > I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad
>>and
>> > then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
>> >
>> > Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
>>sprayer.
>> > So
>> > fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the
>>desired
>> > coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which
>>was
>> > what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
>> >
>> > The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
>> > primer
>> > film. I believe this is the intended result.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Les Kearney
>> > #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>> >
>> > Do not archive
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------
>> >
>> > I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready
>>to
>> > paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
>>before
>> > applying a self etching primer called SME.
>> >
>> > Michael Chase
>> > 40644
>> > --------------------------
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server
>> > Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
>>parts
>> > so
>> > far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue - just
>>a
>> > lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I
>>just
>> > have a thin primer film.
>> >
>> > I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
>>called SW
>> > DTM and = can be found on their website at :
>>http://makeashorterlink.c
>> > om/?C1864622E
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Les Kearney
>> > #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
Unfinished, uncoated or unpainted aluminum cleaned with Simple Green
products should receive some sort of protectant after cleaning to prevent
oxidation.
Aircraft Cleaning with Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green
Many private and commercial aircraft owners and operators have cleaned their
craft with All-Purpose Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green for many years.
However, these products do not have Mil-Prf (military testing) authority.
The testing involves very long (168 hours in one test) soaking of various
metals in the solution and then a corrosion inspection. If an aircraft owner
only wants to use mil-prf approved products; he will not want to use Simple
Green. Please see the additional information under "Aluminum".
Aluminum - Is it safe to use Simple Green on aluminum?
Simple Green products have been successfully and safely used on aircraft,
automotive, industrial and consumer aluminum items for over 20 years.
However, caution and common sense must be used: Aluminum is a soft metal
that easily corrodes with unprotected exposure to water. The aqueous-base
and alkalinity of Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green can accelerate the
corrosion process. Therefore, contact times of All-Purpose Simple Green and
Crystal Simple Green with unprotected or unpainted aluminum surfaces should
be kept as brief as the job will allow - never for more than 10 minutes.
Large cleaning jobs should be conducted in smaller-area stages to achieve
lower contact time. Rinsing after cleaning should always be extremely
thorough - paying special attention to flush out cracks and crevices to
remove all Simple Green/Crystal Simple Green residues. Unfinished, uncoated
or unpainted aluminum cleaned with Simple Green products should receive some
sort of protectant after cleaning to prevent oxidation.
He did mean the general purpose at the 1:30 ratio as he was talking general
purpose cleaners not aircraft specific.
Thanks for asking Vern.
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> Pascal,
>
> If memory serves me regular Simply Green causes corrosion on aluminum.
> Because of this, Simply Green came up with a formula for aircraft which
> is not supposed to promote corrosion. I wonder which one he was
> recommending.
>
> Just food for thought,
>
> Vern Smith (tailcone attachment #324)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
> Les;
> Good day!
> I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for DTM
>
> wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned to
> use
> a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use
> MEK,
> Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare
> the
> surface for the DTM primer.
> Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
> today.
> Regards!
> Pascal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad
> and
>> then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
>>
>> Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
> sprayer.
>> So
>> fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the
> desired
>> coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which
> was
>> what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
>>
>> The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
>> primer
>> film. I believe this is the intended result.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les Kearney
>> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>> I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready
> to
>> paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
> before
>> applying a self etching primer called SME.
>>
>> Michael Chase
>> 40644
>> --------------------------
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server
>> Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
> parts
>> so
>> far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue - just
> a
>> lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I
> just
>> have a thin primer film.
>>
>> I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
> called SW
>> DTM and = can be found on their website at :
> http://makeashorterlink.c
>> om/?C1864622E
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les Kearney
>> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
I've been scuffing with a Scotchbrite pad soaked in Coleman fuel and
getting what appears to be satisfactory results with the DTM wash
primer. I'll try the SimpleGreen next.
I've worked to spray a thin coat but apparently got carried away. My
Tech Advisor observed that aluminum was shining through on some of my
pieces indicating the coat was too thin. There is a distinct shiny-ness
that can be observed on surfaces where a heavier coat is needed. What
seems to happen is that the primer falls into the valleys of the scuff
marks. The spec sheet for the primer states that it is not effective on
sandblasted metals due to surface roughness. Enough to fill the scuff
profile is required (and easily done). Therefore, I'm now using the
finer Scotchbrite pad for the scuffing.
Vans says that the QB parts are primed with the same stuff (but without
the greenish tint). It's apparent that they are brushing it on rather
than spraying. Perhaps foam brushes? Anyone with experience brushing
the wash primer on?
Pascal wrote:
>
> Les;
> Good day!
> I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for
> DTM wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store)
> mentioned to use a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He
> advised not to use MEK, Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it
> does not properly prepare the surface for the DTM primer.
> Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
> today.
> Regards!
> Pascal
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad
>> and
>> then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
>>
>> Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
>> sprayer. So
>> fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the desired
>> coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which was
>> what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
>>
>> The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
>> primer
>> film. I believe this is the intended result.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les Kearney
>> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>> I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready to
>> paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
>> before
>> applying a self etching primer called SME.
>>
>> Michael Chase
>> 40644
>> --------------------------
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server
>> Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
>> parts so
>> far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue - just a
>> lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I just
>> have a thin primer film.
>>
>> I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
>> called SW
>> DTM and = can be found on their website at : http://makeashorterlink.c
>> om/?C1864622E
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les Kearney
>> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
The regular Simple Green might be okay on a single sheet of aluminum
that was then thoroughly rinsed. The minute you introduce lap joints
and rivets you have no assurance you can in fact get all of the
substance off, and it is that residue in the joints that is the
corrosion risk. I'd like to know what the objection is to any of the
petro solvents that leave no residue, like toluene. Or you could
compromise with pure isopropyl alcohol, which is sorta water based,
and certainly not petro based.
On 5/10/07, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> For long term use one wants to use Extreme (aircraft friendly)
> http://www.simplegreen.com/pdfs/07_msds_extreme_aircraft.pdf simple green.
> The normal simple green supposedly showed problems after prolonged use. BUT
> for for cleaning and rinsing than it was fine.
>
> Les;
> He was suggesting ANY water based cleaner. Simple Green being the example he
> gave.
> http://consumer.simplegreen.com/cons_prod_ori.php- General purpose cleaner
> info
> http://consumer.simplegreen.com/cons_buy_canada.php- where to buy in Canada.
>
> ANY aluminum cleaner that is water based is the key for the DTM wash primer,
> versus using a non water based chemical- at least per the manufacturer.
>
> Pascal
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:24 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
> >
> >
> > I use Extreme Simple Green on the dirty side and it works great.
> > Directions on the bottle ok its use on aluminum.
> >
> > Mark
> > N410MR
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
> >>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:55:20 -0400
> >>
> >>
> >>I had heard never to use simple green around aluminum? Can someone
> >>confirm or deny?
> >>Dan
> >>N289DT RV10E
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:27 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
> >>
> >>
> >>Les;
> >>Good day!
> >>I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for DTM
> >>
> >>wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned to
> >>use
> >>a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use
> >>MEK,
> >>Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare
> >>the
> >>surface for the DTM primer.
> >>Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
> >>today.
> >>Regards!
> >>Pascal
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Michael
> >> >
> >> > I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad
> >>and
> >> > then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
> >> >
> >> > Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
> >>sprayer.
> >> > So
> >> > fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the
> >>desired
> >> > coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which
> >>was
> >> > what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
> >> >
> >> > The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
> >> > primer
> >> > film. I believe this is the intended result.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Les Kearney
> >> > #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
> >> >
> >> > Do not archive
> >> >
> >> > -----------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready
> >>to
> >> > paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
> >>before
> >> > applying a self etching primer called SME.
> >> >
> >> > Michael Chase
> >> > 40644
> >> > --------------------------
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: owner-rv10-list-server
> >> > Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
> >> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
> >> >
> >> > Brian
> >> >
> >> > I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
> >>parts
> >> > so
> >> > far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue - just
> >>a
> >> > lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I
> >>just
> >> > have a thin primer film.
> >> >
> >> > I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
> >>called SW
> >> > DTM and = can be found on their website at :
> >>http://makeashorterlink.c
> >> > om/?C1864622E
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Les Kearney
> >> > #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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What does Van's say about all of these. It sounds like leaks on a QB wing
is par for the course and well-sealed tanks are the exception.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Marlow
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas leak
Was this a QB wing tank? If so,what did Van's have to say?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
Rob Kermanj wrote:
> Yes, but of course I was lucky and my leak was on top and I did not
> have to remove the tank. My luck did not last long though. Shortly
> after painting, I discovered other leaks that necessitate the removal,
> cutting and repairing the inside of the tank.
>
> do not archive.
>
> On May 10, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then
>> turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then
>> let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience people did?
>> * - The RV10-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space">
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - NEW
MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://forums.matronics.com*
>> *
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I once was the ninty fifth caller on a radio station and qualified to be one
of 65 people to draw keys out of a fish bowl, one would open the door to a
924 Porche. I didn't get the right key.
I have a pair of QB wings just waiting to be tested...any bets!!!!!!
WHINEEEEEEER.
>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Gas leak
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:07:38 -0400
>
>
>What does Van's say about all of these. It sounds like leaks on a QB wing
>is par for the course and well-sealed tanks are the exception.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Marlow
>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:02 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas leak
>
>
>Was this a QB wing tank? If so,what did Van's have to say?
>Thanks,
>Sam Marlow
>
>Rob Kermanj wrote:
> > Yes, but of course I was lucky and my leak was on top and I did not
> > have to remove the tank. My luck did not last long though. Shortly
> > after painting, I discovered other leaks that necessitate the removal,
> > cutting and repairing the inside of the tank.
> >
> > do not archive.
> >
> > On May 10, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> >
> >> Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then
> >> turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then
> >> let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience people did?
> >> * - The RV10-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space">
>--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - NEW
>MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
>http://forums.matronics.com*
> >> *
> >> *
> > *
> > *
> > **
> >
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>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
As Van's says in Chapter 5 "whatever you use, prepare the surface as per the
manufacturers instructions". I am simply relaying that information per the
manufacturer.
I'm fine with the Simple Green option, it's biodegradeable and less fumes.
You do ask interesting questions however. Call SW and ask them. 800 33107979
(US based).
Pascal
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> The regular Simple Green might be okay on a single sheet of aluminum
> that was then thoroughly rinsed. The minute you introduce lap joints
> and rivets you have no assurance you can in fact get all of the
> substance off, and it is that residue in the joints that is the
> corrosion risk. I'd like to know what the objection is to any of the
> petro solvents that leave no residue, like toluene. Or you could
> compromise with pure isopropyl alcohol, which is sorta water based,
> and certainly not petro based.
>
> On 5/10/07, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> For long term use one wants to use Extreme (aircraft friendly)
>> http://www.simplegreen.com/pdfs/07_msds_extreme_aircraft.pdf simple
>> green.
>> The normal simple green supposedly showed problems after prolonged use.
>> BUT
>> for for cleaning and rinsing than it was fine.
>>
>> Les;
>> He was suggesting ANY water based cleaner. Simple Green being the example
>> he
>> gave.
>> http://consumer.simplegreen.com/cons_prod_ori.php- General purpose
>> cleaner
>> info
>> http://consumer.simplegreen.com/cons_buy_canada.php- where to buy in
>> Canada.
>>
>> ANY aluminum cleaner that is water based is the key for the DTM wash
>> primer,
>> versus using a non water based chemical- at least per the manufacturer.
>>
>> Pascal
>>
>> Do not archive
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:24 AM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I use Extreme Simple Green on the dirty side and it works great.
>> > Directions on the bottle ok its use on aluminum.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> > N410MR
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>> >>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:55:20 -0400
>> >>
>> >><LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>> >>
>> >>I had heard never to use simple green around aluminum? Can someone
>> >>confirm or deny?
>> >>Dan
>> >>N289DT RV10E
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
>> >>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:27 AM
>> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Les;
>> >>Good day!
>> >>I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for
>> >>DTM
>> >>
>> >>wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned to
>> >>use
>> >>a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use
>> >>MEK,
>> >>Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare
>> >>the
>> >>surface for the DTM primer.
>> >>Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
>> >>today.
>> >>Regards!
>> >>Pascal
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
>> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> >>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
>> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Michael
>> >> >
>> >> > I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite
>> >> > pad
>> >>and
>> >> > then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
>> >> >
>> >> > Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
>> >>sprayer.
>> >> > So
>> >> > fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the
>> >>desired
>> >> > coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which
>> >>was
>> >> > what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
>> >> >
>> >> > The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a
>> >> > fine
>> >> > primer
>> >> > film. I believe this is the intended result.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> >
>> >> > Les Kearney
>> >> > #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>> >> >
>> >> > Do not archive
>> >> >
>> >> > -----------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting
>> >> > ready
>> >>to
>> >> > paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
>> >>before
>> >> > applying a self etching primer called SME.
>> >> >
>> >> > Michael Chase
>> >> > 40644
>> >> > --------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: owner-rv10-list-server
>> >> > Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
>> >> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>> >> >
>> >> > Brian
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
>> >>parts
>> >> > so
>> >> > far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue -
>> >> > just
>> >>a
>> >> > lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I
>> >>just
>> >> > have a thin primer film.
>> >> >
>> >> > I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
>> >>called SW
>> >> > DTM and = can be found on their website at :
>> >>http://makeashorterlink.c
>> >> > om/?C1864622E
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>> >> > #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
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| Subject: | Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
Yes. As long as it is "Extreme" Simple Green (which was introduced at
OSH two years ago). The problem was, and is technically known as
"Hydrogen Embrittlement". The Faying action - Wicking of chemicals
(especially alkalines) does cause long term corrosion. It is the
hardening of steel fasteners which is the big issue. "Extreme" has been
reformulated.
The new Extreme Simple Green is now "Boeing approved". The swelling
action of Tefzel wire insulation has been reduced as well.
Most of the problems come from improper or incomplete rinsing of
solvents and contaminates. All aluminum immediately begins oxidation
once it dries. That is why reasonably quick primering of exposed
surfaces is highly recommended for long term protective paint
application.
However to correct your last statement - Simple Green in the original
form (though used for years) was and remains VERBOTTEN on U.S. military
aircraft. It is great for cleaning grease and hydro-carbon based
contaminates but it did allow Hydrogen Embrittlement. Understanding
faying action will show that it is not possible to flush out chemicals
once introduced and wicked into a joint or crack.
On this subject I will gladly wear a flame suit cause I did research
after A&P school and got to communicate direct with Simple Green's
president and worked with the Beta Version before public release for
Prime Time.
Don't use the old stuff - Boeing wouldn't allow it either. "Extreme
Simple Green" or use other products.
John Cox - the Turbinator
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Unfinished, uncoated or unpainted aluminum cleaned with Simple Green
products should receive some sort of protectant after cleaning to
prevent
oxidation.
Aircraft Cleaning with Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green
Many private and commercial aircraft owners and operators have cleaned
their
craft with All-Purpose Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green(r) for many
years.
However, these products do not have Mil-Prf (military testing)
authority.
The testing involves very long (168 hours in one test) soaking of
various
metals in the solution and then a corrosion inspection. If an aircraft
owner
only wants to use mil-prf approved products; he will not want to use
Simple
Green. Please see the additional information under "Aluminum".
Aluminum - Is it safe to use Simple Green on aluminum?
Simple Green products have been successfully and safely used on
aircraft,
automotive, industrial and consumer aluminum items for over 20 years.
However, caution and common sense must be used: Aluminum is a soft metal
that easily corrodes with unprotected exposure to water. The
aqueous-base
and alkalinity of Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green can accelerate
the
corrosion process. Therefore, contact times of All-Purpose Simple Green
and
Crystal Simple Green with unprotected or unpainted aluminum surfaces
should
be kept as brief as the job will allow - never for more than 10 minutes.
Large cleaning jobs should be conducted in smaller-area stages to
achieve
lower contact time. Rinsing after cleaning should always be extremely
thorough - paying special attention to flush out cracks and crevices to
remove all Simple Green/Crystal Simple Green residues. Unfinished,
uncoated
or unpainted aluminum cleaned with Simple Green products should receive
some
sort of protectant after cleaning to prevent oxidation.
He did mean the general purpose at the 1:30 ratio as he was talking
general
purpose cleaners not aircraft specific.
Thanks for asking Vern.
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> Pascal,
>
> If memory serves me regular Simply Green causes corrosion on aluminum.
> Because of this, Simply Green came up with a formula for aircraft
which
> is not supposed to promote corrosion. I wonder which one he was
> recommending.
>
> Just food for thought,
>
> Vern Smith (tailcone attachment #324)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
> Les;
> Good day!
> I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for
DTM
>
> wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned
to
> use
> a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use
> MEK,
> Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare
> the
> surface for the DTM primer.
> Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
> today.
> Regards!
> Pascal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad
> and
>> then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
>>
>> Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
> sprayer.
>> So
>> fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the
> desired
>> coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which
> was
>> what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
>>
>> The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
>> primer
>> film. I believe this is the intended result.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les Kearney
>> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>> I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready
> to
>> paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
> before
>> applying a self etching primer called SME.
>>
>> Michael Chase
>> 40644
>> --------------------------
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server
>> Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
> parts
>> so
>> far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue -
just
> a
>> lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I
> just
>> have a thin primer film.
>>
>> I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
> called SW
>> DTM and = can be found on their website at :
> http://makeashorterlink.c
>> om/?C1864622E
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les Kearney
>> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
Thanks for the feedback. I should have mentioned I called ALL the
maunfacturers before using anything. Sure "extreme" is fine full strength
and even has anti corrosion bult into it, sure "General Purpose" SG is toxic
to Aluminum full strength. When mixed per the instructions of 30:1 it is
quite approved by Simple Green for pre priming. I cleaned, rinsed,
compressed air dried it and primed all within 1 hour of each other.
What me worry? not a bit!
Thanks for the feedback.
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
> Yes. As long as it is "Extreme" Simple Green (which was introduced at
> OSH two years ago). The problem was, and is technically known as
> "Hydrogen Embrittlement". The Faying action - Wicking of chemicals
> (especially alkalines) does cause long term corrosion. It is the
> hardening of steel fasteners which is the big issue. "Extreme" has been
> reformulated.
>
> The new Extreme Simple Green is now "Boeing approved". The swelling
> action of Tefzel wire insulation has been reduced as well.
>
> Most of the problems come from improper or incomplete rinsing of
> solvents and contaminates. All aluminum immediately begins oxidation
> once it dries. That is why reasonably quick primering of exposed
> surfaces is highly recommended for long term protective paint
> application.
>
> However to correct your last statement - Simple Green in the original
> form (though used for years) was and remains VERBOTTEN on U.S. military
> aircraft. It is great for cleaning grease and hydro-carbon based
> contaminates but it did allow Hydrogen Embrittlement. Understanding
> faying action will show that it is not possible to flush out chemicals
> once introduced and wicked into a joint or crack.
>
> On this subject I will gladly wear a flame suit cause I did research
> after A&P school and got to communicate direct with Simple Green's
> president and worked with the Beta Version before public release for
> Prime Time.
>
> Don't use the old stuff - Boeing wouldn't allow it either. "Extreme
> Simple Green" or use other products.
>
> John Cox - the Turbinator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:29 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
> Unfinished, uncoated or unpainted aluminum cleaned with Simple Green
> products should receive some sort of protectant after cleaning to
> prevent
> oxidation.
>
> Aircraft Cleaning with Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green
> Many private and commercial aircraft owners and operators have cleaned
> their
> craft with All-Purpose Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green(r) for many
> years.
> However, these products do not have Mil-Prf (military testing)
> authority.
> The testing involves very long (168 hours in one test) soaking of
> various
> metals in the solution and then a corrosion inspection. If an aircraft
> owner
> only wants to use mil-prf approved products; he will not want to use
> Simple
> Green. Please see the additional information under "Aluminum".
>
> Aluminum - Is it safe to use Simple Green on aluminum?
> Simple Green products have been successfully and safely used on
> aircraft,
> automotive, industrial and consumer aluminum items for over 20 years.
> However, caution and common sense must be used: Aluminum is a soft metal
>
> that easily corrodes with unprotected exposure to water. The
> aqueous-base
> and alkalinity of Simple Green or Crystal Simple Green can accelerate
> the
> corrosion process. Therefore, contact times of All-Purpose Simple Green
> and
> Crystal Simple Green with unprotected or unpainted aluminum surfaces
> should
> be kept as brief as the job will allow - never for more than 10 minutes.
>
> Large cleaning jobs should be conducted in smaller-area stages to
> achieve
> lower contact time. Rinsing after cleaning should always be extremely
> thorough - paying special attention to flush out cracks and crevices to
> remove all Simple Green/Crystal Simple Green residues. Unfinished,
> uncoated
> or unpainted aluminum cleaned with Simple Green products should receive
> some
> sort of protectant after cleaning to prevent oxidation.
>
> He did mean the general purpose at the 1:30 ratio as he was talking
> general
> purpose cleaners not aircraft specific.
>
> Thanks for asking Vern.
>
> Pascal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:19 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>
>
>>
>> Pascal,
>>
>> If memory serves me regular Simply Green causes corrosion on aluminum.
>> Because of this, Simply Green came up with a formula for aircraft
> which
>> is not supposed to promote corrosion. I wonder which one he was
>> recommending.
>>
>> Just food for thought,
>>
>> Vern Smith (tailcone attachment #324)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:27 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>
>>
>> Les;
>> Good day!
>> I called Sherwin Williams and asked what the proper surface prep for
> DTM
>>
>> wash Primer is. The Tech support gentleman (not the store) mentioned
> to
>> use
>> a water based cleaner like Simple Green, etc.. He advised not to use
>> MEK,
>> Acetone or any non water based cleaner as it does not properly prepare
>> the
>> surface for the DTM primer.
>> Probably not a problem for you but wanted to advise what SW told me
>> today.
>> Regards!
>> Pascal
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:45 PM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> I was taught to just lightly scuff the surface with a scotchbrite pad
>> and
>>> then clean with lacquer thinner. I then sprayed on the primer.
>>>
>>> Today I primed the VS & rudder skins. I used a fine mist on the
>> sprayer.
>>> So
>>> fine that I had to spray over each spot several times to get the
>> desired
>>> coverage. By doing this I was able to avoid too heavy a spray (which
>> was
>>> what happened during my first attempt at spraying).
>>>
>>> The end result of today's effort is the skins are covered with a fine
>>> primer
>>> film. I believe this is the intended result.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Les Kearney
>>> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>
>>> I was wondering what you did to prep before paint? I am getting ready
>> to
>>> paint my VIirticle tail this weekend. I am using dipping in Alidine
>> before
>>> applying a self etching primer called SME.
>>>
>>> Michael Chase
>>> 40644
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server
>>> Sent: 11/09/2006 11:29 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> I think you are right = about the thickness. I have only done a few
>> parts
>>> so
>>> far (the vertical stab skeleton) so = it is not really an issue -
> just
>> a
>>> lesson learned. I plan to just = "mist" parts from now on so that I
>> just
>>> have a thin primer film.
>>>
>>> I bought the paint from a = Sherwin Williams outlet store. It is
>> called SW
>>> DTM and = can be found on their website at :
>> http://makeashorterlink.c
>>> om/?C1864622E
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Les Kearney
>>> #40643 - Day 3 of long = journey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I successfully got my wife to convince me we needed to go to Oshkosh after I
found out there's a huge quilting gig on Thursday the 26th! The question I
have for the crowd is whether to park the RV-10 on homebuilt row and pitch a
tent at Camp Scholler (sp) or stay with the plane at the designated
homebuilt camping area. I like the location of the homebuilt camping better
and the machine is not yet painted so I'm leaning toward that but would like
to hear any experiences one way or the other. I'm certainly not embarrassed
by my -10, but it's not going to roll anyone's socks down just yet either
without any paint.
Thanks,
Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: OSH predictions anyone |
So I have been told....the bigger the car the smaller the Penis. Ofcourse I
drive a Mini!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> Keep in mind I am a glutinous American, so why only take one, I will be
> taking both the RV10E and the Expedition, it is my right to burn as much
> fuel as possible on a trip!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> The irony is your RV-10 will cost less to get there than the SUV. No
> worries, I have a RAM 3500 with a full size bed and crew cab. If he
> can't fit it in there he's got bigger issues.
>
> Michael
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
> R.
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
> expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
> Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
> from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
> (I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
> are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
> line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
>
> I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
> guess I'll be there by default.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Limbo
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
> we
>> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
>> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
>> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
>> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
>> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>>
>> So anybody up for a pool?
>>
>
> I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
> Just a guess.
>
>
>> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>>
>
> I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
> year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
> I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
> participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
> camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
> We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
> year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
> really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
> out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
> and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
> sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
> late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
> use it technically.
>
>
>>
>> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
> year?
>>
>>
>
> Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
> column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
> for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
> start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
> to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
>
>> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>>
>
> Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
> I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
> of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
> logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
> 25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
> there last year.
>>
>> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>>
>
> Ain't THAT the truth!
> -Tim
>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
Once you've driven a BIG car, the size is set and does not grow with
eco-downsizing. I am sorry for your condition. However, Mini (BMW S
versions) rock. If you've driven a big car in Europe then all bets are
off cause it is obvious American's have little respect for sensibility.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of The McGough
Family
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<VHMUM@bigpond.com>
So I have been told....the bigger the car the smaller the Penis.
Ofcourse I
drive a Mini!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Keep in mind I am a glutinous American, so why only take one, I will
be
> taking both the RV10E and the Expedition, it is my right to burn as
much
> fuel as possible on a trip!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> The irony is your RV-10 will cost less to get there than the SUV. No
> worries, I have a RAM 3500 with a full size bed and crew cab. If he
> can't fit it in there he's got bigger issues.
>
> Michael
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd,
Daniel
> R.
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
> expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
> Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
> from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you
guys
> (I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many
spots
> are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the
flight
> line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
>
> I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
> guess I'll be there by default.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Limbo
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
> we
>> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
>> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
>> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
>> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
>> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>>
>> So anybody up for a pool?
>>
>
> I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
> Just a guess.
>
>
>> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>>
>
> I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
> year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
> I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
> participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
> camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
> We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
> year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
> really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
> out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
> and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
> sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
> late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
> use it technically.
>
>
>>
>> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
> year?
>>
>>
>
> Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
> column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
> for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
> start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
> to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
>
>> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>>
>
> Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
> I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
> of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
> logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
> 25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
> there last year.
>>
>> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>>
>
> Ain't THAT the truth!
> -Tim
>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Short and to the point |
I am often quoted as being too verbose. Until you understand "Hydrogen
Embrittlement", use no cleaner (especially not Old Simple Green) on any
aircraft component until you "the manufacturer" know what you are
placing at risk <<Simple Green.pdf>> <<Simple Green MSDS 2006.pdf>> .
Period. As manufacturer's do what you want.
Here are two important documents for the RV 10 University.
Extreme Simple Green is not the same product as Old Simple Green. End
of discussion.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | Short and to the point |
That was beautiful, John. Your input/insight is always great, but brevity is beautiful,
especially when you use little words that I can understand.
While we're on this, what about using Orange cleaner for both scuffing and degreasing?
We use some kind of thinner for cleaning before priming, but we scuff and use thinner
then alcohol (desengrasante) for exterior paint prep, then go with wash
primer, followed by filler primer (the gray stuff), folowed by color and clear.
Jesse
-----Original Message-----
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: 5/10/2007 8:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Short and to the point
I am often quoted as being too verbose. Until you understand "Hydrogen
Embrittlement", use no cleaner (especially not Old Simple Green) on any
aircraft component until you "the manufacturer" know what you are
placing at risk <<Simple Green.pdf>> <<Simple Green MSDS 2006.pdf>> .
Period. As manufacturer's do what you want.
Here are two important documents for the RV 10 University.
Extreme Simple Green is not the same product as Old Simple Green. End
of discussion.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | Re: Short and to the point |
Short and to the pointJohn;
Thanks for caring enough to make your point.
I'll get the Extreme!
Thanks!
Pascal
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John W. Cox
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Short and to the point
I am often quoted as being too verbose. Until you understand
"Hydrogen Embrittlement", use no cleaner (especially not Old Simple
Green) on any aircraft component until you "the manufacturer" know what
you are placing at risk <<Simple Green.pdf>> <<Simple Green MSDS
2006.pdf>> . Period. As manufacturer's do what you want.
Here are two important documents for the RV 10 University.
Extreme Simple Green is not the same product as Old Simple Green. End
of discussion.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | OSH predictions anyone |
Hey Dan, you must be darn close to flying with the first model E RV 10 if
you are going to OSH....got any pictures we can see? I'm guessing more
than a few of us would like to see that installation.
Cheers...
Evan Johnson
>
> Guys,
> The RV10 is large, but it does not have a trailer hitch, and the pop-up
> is too big to fit into the baggage area, so because we will be there the
> whole week my wife offered to drive up and meet us there.
> I SHOULD be there with the RV10E and the Expedition.
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
>
> Lloyd, Lloyd, Lloyd! Why in the world would you take your Expedition if
> you
> are flying in your -10? I don't think the baggage area is that big.
> You
> are hoping to fly soon, aren't you? Even though some of us are not
> brave
> enough to go Subie yet, I believe most of us want to see you fly.
> Please
> don't leave the plane home if you are flying!
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
> R.
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
> expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
> Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
> from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you guys
> (I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many spots
> are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the flight
> line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
>
> I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
> guess I'll be there by default.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Limbo
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
> we
>> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
>> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
>> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
>> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
>> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
>>
>> So anybody up for a pool?
>>
>
> I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
> Just a guess.
>
>
>> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
>>
>
> I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
> year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
> I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
> participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
> camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
> We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
> year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
> really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
> out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
> and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
> sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
> late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
> use it technically.
>
>
>>
>> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
> year?
>>
>>
>
> Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
> column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
> for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
> start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
> to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
>
>> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
>>
>
> Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
> I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
> of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
> logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
> 25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
> there last year.
>>
>> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
>>
>
> Ain't THAT the truth!
> -Tim
>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>
>
> --
> PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH predictions anyone |
One of my first cars was a 1964 Morris Mini 850cc. Those BIG BMW
clones are bigger than the old Austin America and not much cuter.
Replaced the first Mini with a second generation Austin Mini 850cc. It
advanced from the original Mooney style rubber shock disks to Citroen
clone hydro-pneumatic suspension. Still same size, on 10" wheels with
transmission under the engine, using same engine oil for gear lube,
5.5 gal gas tank, and almost as roomy in front seat as the Mooney. ;-)
The roofline was even with my waist. More fun to drive than a Beetle.
On 5/10/07, John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
> Once you've driven a BIG car, the size is set and does not grow with
> eco-downsizing. I am sorry for your condition. However, Mini (BMW S
> versions) rock. If you've driven a big car in Europe then all bets are
> off cause it is obvious American's have little respect for sensibility.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of The McGough
> Family
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:53 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> So I have been told....the bigger the car the smaller the Penis.
> Ofcourse I
> drive a Mini!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:42 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
>
>
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> >
> > Keep in mind I am a glutinous American, so why only take one, I will
> be
> > taking both the RV10E and the Expedition, it is my right to burn as
> much
> > fuel as possible on a trip!
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> > (Michael Sausen)
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:42 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
> >
> > <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> >
> > The irony is your RV-10 will cost less to get there than the SUV. No
> > worries, I have a RAM 3500 with a full size bed and crew cab. If he
> > can't fit it in there he's got bigger issues.
> >
> > Michael
> > Do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd,
> Daniel
> > R.
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:55 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
> >
> > <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> >
> > Keep in mind we will get there on Friday/Saturday and will have the
> > expedition and can help move stuff as needed.
> > Bob make sure you use as needed to get stuff!
> > Dan
> > N289DT RV10E
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> > (Michael Sausen)
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:15 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
> >
> > <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> >
> > Yes, I did volunteer to grab spots at OSH as it's only about 30 miles
> > from me and not a big deal to run down there. I'll leave it to you
> guys
> > (I nominate Tim or Bob :-)) to coordinate and figure out how many
> spots
> > are needed and if you want it shaded or as far east (towards the
> flight
> > line) as possible. Just let me know what's needed.
> >
> > I'm running Bob Collins to get the food and stuff for the BBQ so I
> > guess I'll be there by default.
> >
> > Michael Sausen
> > -10 #352 Limbo
> > Do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:33 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH predictions anyone
> >
> >
> >
> > Deems Davis wrote:
> >>
> >> Well with Sun & Fun behind us and OSH just around the corner, I think
> > we
> >> need to call on our resident expert prognosticator ;-) - John -The
> >> Turbinator Cox for a prediction of RV-10 completions prior to OSH.
> >> (He was so convincing this past year!) Van's site say's there's 79
> >> reported, I believe I've seen one or two others not yet reported to
> >> Van's. And there's a bunch that are close.
> >>
> >> So anybody up for a pool?
> >>
> >
> > I doubt we'll see 100 completed, and I bet no more than 25-30 show up.
> > Just a guess.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Condrey / Specketer / Olson got any plans for RV-10 HQ this year?
> >>
> >
> > I'm strongly considering just joining the gang in Scholler this
> > year. I'd actually love to camp by the plane, but I don't think
> > I'll go that route unless there are at least 10 RV-10s that would
> > participate. It's nice to keep the gang fairly together, for
> > camaraderie. The camp site in scholler worked great last year.
> > We just need to better coordinate the arrivals and departures this
> > year so we can secure more sites in a group. Michael Sausen lives
> > really close and last year he volunteered to drive over and stake
> > out the areas for us. I could also fly over prior to the show
> > and do that if he can't make it. He'd have better luck snagging
> > sites though, as he could check to ensure we aren't getting too
> > late...remember you have to pay from the time you stake it and
> > use it technically.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Tim O. you going to run your contact list on your site again this
> > year?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Yep, this year it'll be a little easier....I'll just add a
> > column again on the builders list, where I can update the dates
> > for people....and note if they're coming. I think I'll not
> > start that until about mid-June though...1 month out ought
> > to do it. Hope to see quite the crowd.
> >
> >> Who's going to the Bob Collins BBQ?
> >>
> >
> > Undecided, myself, because of an undecided schedule. It would be fun.
> > I think we're probably to a point where we could start thinking
> > of doing an RV-10 specific one too, if we could overcome the
> > logistics for getting the food and cooking it. Even if we only had
> > 25-50 people at RV-10 HQ, that would be fantastic. Nice people
> > there last year.
> >>
> >> (I can feel the excitement mounting.......)
> >>
> >
> > Ain't THAT the truth!
> > -Tim
> >
> >> Deems Davis # 406
> >> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> >> http://deemsrv10.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> Do Not Archive
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron torque tube help |
My Aileron torque tube rubs on the W-1013 which is the braket that is
riveted to the rear wing spar that holds the Aileron on. Only in the
downward position. Anyone else had that problem?
Chris
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| Subject: | Short and to the point |
Scuffing whether with an additive (pumice - Orange stuff) or with
accessories (such as Scotchbrite pads) increases the potential for
Adhesion - a good thing. Just remember that with Alclad 2024 the
surface coating of pure aluminum is Thin 5% of the total on each side.
You do the math on 0.025". When it turns dark, you are already through
the pure aluminum and into the base hybrid metal stock.
I've heard no negatives on the citrus based products. Residue might
require more rinsing. The cleaner the substrate (no residue) the
quicker the time between cleaning and priming the less oxidation which
is happening immediately. More hands, less time is a better thing.
Cessna had a problem with filiform corrosion from cleaning aircraft
overnight (outside) and then priming and painting the next day. Who
said acid rain hasn't reached the "Heartland"?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Short and to the point
That was beautiful, John. Your input/insight is always great, but
brevity is beautiful, especially when you use little words that I can
understand.
While we're on this, what about using Orange cleaner for both scuffing
and degreasing?
We use some kind of thinner for cleaning before priming, but we scuff
and use thinner then alcohol (desengrasante) for exterior paint prep,
then go with wash primer, followed by filler primer (the gray stuff),
folowed by color and clear.
Jesse
-----Original Message-----
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: 5/10/2007 8:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Short and to the point
I am often quoted as being too verbose. Until you understand "Hydrogen
Embrittlement", use no cleaner (especially not Old Simple Green) on any
aircraft component until you "the manufacturer" know what you are
placing at risk <<Simple Green.pdf>> <<Simple Green MSDS 2006.pdf>> .
Period. As manufacturer's do what you want.
Here are two important documents for the RV 10 University.
Extreme Simple Green is not the same product as Old Simple Green. End
of discussion.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | QB Wing Inspection and Questions |
My son and I took a critical look at our QB wings this evening, following
the instructions step by step to verify everything was built correctly.
Here are our discoveries, up through section 18 (fuel tanks).
o Main Spar - Page 13-3, step 9 calls for the enlargement of an
existing 9/32 hole in the left (only) spar and installation of a snap
bushing. This was not done.
o Main Spar - Page 13-4, step 6 the tie down bracket is cut, tapped
and drilled. The tie down bracket in both wings was never tapped!
o Fuel Tanks - Page 18-8, step 5 the tanks all installed. A note was
included with our QB wings warning that "the fuel tanks are secured for
shipping purposes ONLY by a few screws through the tank skin and several
bolts through the Z-brackets. It is expected that the builder will install
the rest of these critical fasteners before the airplane is inspected or
flown." Well, all of the screws and bolts were attached, but about half of
the bolts for the Z-brackets were not fully tightened - glad we checked them
with the torque wrench!
We have a couple of questions:
1. What's the purpose of the bushing through the spar specified on page
13-3?
2. Where are the instructions for testing the fuel tanks for leaks?
Bill and Jon Reining
40514 - QB wings
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