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1. 03:57 AM - Re: Battery Charger (Jim & Julie Wade)
2. 04:23 AM - Re: HEADER TANK (Tim C)
3. 04:23 AM - Re: Start your engineStart your engine (Wayne Edgerton)
4. 04:42 AM - Re: Establishing gross weight (James K Hovis)
5. 04:51 AM - Re: Start your engine (James K Hovis)
6. 05:07 AM - Re: Establishing gross weight (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
7. 05:10 AM - Wanna see something cool? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
8. 05:29 AM - Re: Establishing gross weight (Kelly McMullen)
9. 05:50 AM - Re: Establishing gross weight (James K Hovis)
10. 06:02 AM - Re: Establishing gross weight (James K Hovis)
11. 06:07 AM - TruTrack pitot static connection (John Testement)
12. 06:38 AM - Re: TruTrack pitot static connection (Neal George)
13. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Battery Charger (Tim Olson)
14. 06:45 AM - Re: TruTrack pitot static connection (Tim Olson)
15. 09:20 AM - Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices (John Gonzalez)
16. 09:29 AM - Re: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices (James Hein)
17. 10:22 AM - Re: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices (John Gonzalez)
18. 11:34 AM - Re: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices (David McNeill)
19. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: nose wheel cocked in flight (Rick)
20. 01:36 PM - Re: Batterydied (Rick)
21. 04:15 PM - Re: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices (The McGough Family)
22. 04:55 PM - Re: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices (Tim C)
23. 05:05 PM - Re: Wanna see something cool? (Mark Ritter)
24. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: Screw removal (Bill Schlatterer)
25. 06:44 PM - Re: Batterydied (Kelly McMullen)
26. 06:59 PM - Re: Batterydied (jdalton77)
27. 07:51 PM - Re: Establishing gross weight (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
28. 08:14 PM - firewall forward kit (Jay Rowe)
29. 08:55 PM - Re: Establishing gross weight (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
30. 09:23 PM - Re: Batterydied (KiloPapa)
31. 09:55 PM - Re: Establishing gross weight (Rene Felker)
32. 10:50 PM - Re: Establishing gross weight (John W. Cox)
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Charger |
I have used the battery minder on the last 3 planes I have had. It works great.
I ran the plugin into the baggage area and plug it up when it is parked. You
can even boost from the plug of you have to.
http://www.vdcelectronics.com/
Jim & Julie
40383
N369JW 95 Hours
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113723#113723
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Shortcoming of the low wing is the fuel must be coaxed to defy gravity
Some low wings have header tanks, but usually a high wing gravity set up.
The older low wing gravity feed set ups, use a fuel tank situated between
the instrument panel and the firewall, which acts as a big header......
Header tanks put the fuel in the fuselage & to some, 'on a bad day' becomes
a religious experience.
Mechanical fuel pump w/ electric back up & some good dead stick skills ;-)
Tim
Cold Lk.
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| Subject: | Re: Start your engineStart your engine |
John,
Yes it's a good feeling whenever you make some type of measurable
progress and this was one of those times. I still have a lot to do but
that's another one more thing I can take off the list :>}
Yes I have a custom painted Aero Composite prop.The weight of the prop
is 50lbs.
Keep pluggin away and you will be there before you know it.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
Wayne that is most encouraging news and well appreciated here. Is
that
a custom painted AeroComp propeller and what did the whole thing
weigh
as installed? It makes me excited to think of your final paint
job
coming.
John #600
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| Subject: | Re: Establishing gross weight |
I'd like to get back to OSH (haven't been since '96) and at least meet
y'all at the camp. Unfortunantly, my vacation time will be ate up by
other hobby and family time. Maybe next year....
Kevin H.
On 5/18/07, Bob Leffler <rvmail@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> I've swapped some email with Susan Sedlacheck at EAA. We may be able to get
> one of the forum buildings, but they are only available in the evening. She
> also talked about the porch at the Homebuilder's HQ, but I think we could
> easily overwhelm that area.
>
> Just some more options if interested.......
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:45 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
>
>
> I've just followed the comments on this so far, but I guess I
> may as well speak too.
>
> I think:
>
> General builder questions would be well addressed in things
> like workshops that already exist at EAA events, and by online
> discussions, and by things like the recent workshop held
> by David Saylor. So when it comes to building things, we
> can all sit around the campfire and shoot the sh1t all night
> long. That would work well.
>
> For general flying skills, I think at present we not only
> don't have the critical mass nor the commonality among
> airplanes and panels to really go in depth and have an
> event that would fit everyone or even draw a huge attendance.
> We certainly don't have a critical mass to do anything that
> would qualify us for reduced insurance rates as a motivator.
>
> Then, for RV-10 flying skills, nothing really beats a couple
> hours with someone like Mike S. or Alex D. to get transition
> training. It's a great place to start.
>
> The gap, as I see it today, is that there are a lot of unique
> discussion topics that really could benefit from an hour
> (or perhaps much more), where people who are currently flying,
> operating, or maintaining the RV-10 could give some great
> input as to the many things that you don't get out of the
> above. There are things about how the RV-10 flies, and
> things about how you can operate it, about some
> maintenance gotchas, and about some things like the the
> final stages of pre-first-flight preparation, that really
> would be great for just a forum type event. Perhaps a
> bullet-point list could be put together by a few people, or
> questions could be provided for a Q&A list, and at OSH
> we could set aside some time where 4-10 current RV-10
> operators could speak as pseudo-panelists and give their
> opinions...even if they don't all agree. I would be willing
> to participate in something of that nature. I also am
> quick to point out that while I may have what some would
> view as good input to give, I also would not consider myself
> an expert, as there are truly very few people who fit that
> description. So just as anything, you'd have to take it
> only as my opinion. There are far too many who speak
> as experts without the qualifications, and I don't want
> anyone to mistake me as one of those.
>
> Also, some of the types of questions that could be
> answered well by a panel of people are what types of
> impressions they have for the need for certain equipment,
> such as: Rudder Trim, Yaw Dampners, Autopilot features,
> Elevator trim, lighting options, and the many things that
> people question whether or not they want to add them to
> their plane. Those are things that it would be nice
> to hear from multiple flying -10 owners and get more
> of a flowing conversation idea of what they all think.
>
> So depending on what y'all say you want, I'd probably be
> happy to participate. Ideally, everyone would take a demo
> flight with me or someone else, (which PLEASE, this won't
> be happening at OSH), because I usually speak at length
> about some of these things during the demo flights I give.
> It's the best way to really get things pointed out for you
> and then let you see first-hand, in-flight, and form
> your own opinion.
>
> If we do this at OSH, I think we should just do it at
> a place like RV-10 HQ, where we probably will already
> have some chairs, and do it on some mid-morning or mid-afternoon
> timeframe, perhaps on a day like Tuesday/Wed/or Thurs.
> It could even be done twice, with the same agenda, so that
> as many builders as possible could participate.
>
> Let's see if there's continuing interest. If you like
> the theory above, then shortly we should start
> off-line gathering a list of topics and questions, and
> we can start getting a list of people to speak. I'm sure
> we could talk Vic, who's also a DAR, into speaking too,
> as long as his schedule allows.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > I can see something that starts off very informal until it hit's a
> > critical mass that we could approach EAA for forum space. In the mean
> > time I would suggest that someone (JC) starts developing some talking
> > points that seem to be of interest to the list. We could then convert
> > one of the daily meeting times at Van's tent to a one hour lunch and
> > learn session someplace that isn't in use with picnic tables or chairs.
> > Very much a round table type session unless someone of expertise would
> > have a presentation that they feel would be useful.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Start your engine |
I've had good luck with sealed lead acid batteries in another
application from these guys:
http://www.batterymart.com/c-sealed-lead-acid-batteries.html
Not sure what AHr rating you'd need for Lyc engine starting.
Kevin H.
On 5/18/07, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't have a part number. Ask for a "Wheelchair" battery at Sears.
> It should be about $60 Box.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> On May 18, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Sam Marlow wrote:
>
> >
> > What's the Sears part #, I wan't one!
> > Sam Marlow
> >
> > Rob Kermanj wrote:
> >> At the risk of starting a battery brand war, I would like to offer
> >> an alternative to Odessey.
> >>
> >> I have been using Sears handicap battery for 15 years in my
> >> planes. This battery, combined with a L model Skytech starter,
> >> will crank your IO540 for ever (especially when you have trouble
> >> with Hot Starts). I have actually never seen the end of the life
> >> on this battery, I just replace it every three years as a
> >> precaution. This battery costs less, lasts longer, It is
> >> available to pick up 7 days a week and if you let it go flat, you
> >> just recharge it. Another bonus is that it fits the existing
> >> battery tray in all RVs without any modifications.
> >>
> >> I have seen enough neighbors with Odessey batteries laying on
> >> shelf as "Paper Weight".
> >>
> >> Do not archive.
> >> Rob
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 18, 2007, at 8:50 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just a reminder to anyone using Odyssey style batteries, they
> >>> do not like being run flat. Check them every couple months to
> >>> make sure they are topped off and if you are using them for
> >>> testing I would recommend keeping a charger on them to make sure
> >>> they are full. They keep their charge exceedingly well when in
> >>> storage but they still need to be checked. If you run them flat
> >>> they are basically a paperweight.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And congratulations Wayne, that's another big milestone!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael Sausen
> >>>
> >>> -10 #352 Limbo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
> >>> list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne Edgerton
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2007 6:49 AM
> >>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Start your engine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There comes a time with every builder when he or she hears
> >>> someone deep inside the hangar say "Gentlemen start your
> >>> engine" :>} and today was that day for me. I was able to roll
> >>> the plane out of the hangar and fired this bird up. There were a
> >>> few small glitch's, like you've got to remember to turn on the
> >>> fuel value :>}
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I had trouble with my EI engine monitor going off line each time
> >>> I tried to start the engine. We ended up putting an analog gauge
> >>> on the engine for oil pressure and forged on. The EI unit has a
> >>> know problem that when there is a voltage drop, like starting the
> >>> engine, the unit shuts down. But as soon as the engine starts it
> >>> comes back on line. I have to send the unit in for an update to
> >>> it to fix the problem. The RPM was also acting goofy. Hell at one
> >>> point I got 3800 RPM. This problem was to do with the Lazar
> >>> system emitting to much interference and they are sending me out
> >>> a noise filtering unit to fix that problem.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We had to adjust the mixture and idle a couple of times, luckily
> >>> for me a neighbor on the field and a good friend is great with
> >>> engines so he saved my bacon.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> One other problem I ran into was that my battery wouldn't turn
> >>> over the engine enough to start it so we had to jump start it
> >>> with battery cables. I'm overnight charging the battery but I
> >>> think the battery is either going or already gone to battery
> >>> heaven. It's a new Odyssey battery !
> >>>
> >>> Anyway I thought I would report my progress. I've attached a
> >>> couple of pictures for your perusal.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Small RV grin in place right now with a bigger one hopefully to
> >>> follow shortly :>}
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
> >>>
> >>> * - The RV10-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-
> >>> space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-
> >>> List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-
> >>> converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com*
> >>> *
> >>> *
> >> *
> >> *
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> **
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Establishing gross weight |
Just come in for the first weekend or the second. Depending on how far
it is, I might be willing to come get you in my overweight 10!!!
Remember all of this is in jest and we are just educating each other!
Dan
N289DT RV10E (She is on her own gear and rolling with a mounted Subbie)
PS Michael, I did try to post the photos last night at midnight but
Matronics kicked'em back because they were too big. I will resize and
send again
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James K Hovis
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
<james.k.hovis@gmail.com>
I'd like to get back to OSH (haven't been since '96) and at least meet
y'all at the camp. Unfortunantly, my vacation time will be ate up by
other hobby and family time. Maybe next year....
Kevin H.
On 5/18/07, Bob Leffler <rvmail@thelefflers.com> wrote:
<rvmail@thelefflers.com>
>
> I've swapped some email with Susan Sedlacheck at EAA. We may be able
to get
> one of the forum buildings, but they are only available in the
evening. She
> also talked about the porch at the Homebuilder's HQ, but I think we
could
> easily overwhelm that area.
>
> Just some more options if interested.......
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:45 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
>
>
> I've just followed the comments on this so far, but I guess I
> may as well speak too.
>
> I think:
>
> General builder questions would be well addressed in things
> like workshops that already exist at EAA events, and by online
> discussions, and by things like the recent workshop held
> by David Saylor. So when it comes to building things, we
> can all sit around the campfire and shoot the sh1t all night
> long. That would work well.
>
> For general flying skills, I think at present we not only
> don't have the critical mass nor the commonality among
> airplanes and panels to really go in depth and have an
> event that would fit everyone or even draw a huge attendance.
> We certainly don't have a critical mass to do anything that
> would qualify us for reduced insurance rates as a motivator.
>
> Then, for RV-10 flying skills, nothing really beats a couple
> hours with someone like Mike S. or Alex D. to get transition
> training. It's a great place to start.
>
> The gap, as I see it today, is that there are a lot of unique
> discussion topics that really could benefit from an hour
> (or perhaps much more), where people who are currently flying,
> operating, or maintaining the RV-10 could give some great
> input as to the many things that you don't get out of the
> above. There are things about how the RV-10 flies, and
> things about how you can operate it, about some
> maintenance gotchas, and about some things like the the
> final stages of pre-first-flight preparation, that really
> would be great for just a forum type event. Perhaps a
> bullet-point list could be put together by a few people, or
> questions could be provided for a Q&A list, and at OSH
> we could set aside some time where 4-10 current RV-10
> operators could speak as pseudo-panelists and give their
> opinions...even if they don't all agree. I would be willing
> to participate in something of that nature. I also am
> quick to point out that while I may have what some would
> view as good input to give, I also would not consider myself
> an expert, as there are truly very few people who fit that
> description. So just as anything, you'd have to take it
> only as my opinion. There are far too many who speak
> as experts without the qualifications, and I don't want
> anyone to mistake me as one of those.
>
> Also, some of the types of questions that could be
> answered well by a panel of people are what types of
> impressions they have for the need for certain equipment,
> such as: Rudder Trim, Yaw Dampners, Autopilot features,
> Elevator trim, lighting options, and the many things that
> people question whether or not they want to add them to
> their plane. Those are things that it would be nice
> to hear from multiple flying -10 owners and get more
> of a flowing conversation idea of what they all think.
>
> So depending on what y'all say you want, I'd probably be
> happy to participate. Ideally, everyone would take a demo
> flight with me or someone else, (which PLEASE, this won't
> be happening at OSH), because I usually speak at length
> about some of these things during the demo flights I give.
> It's the best way to really get things pointed out for you
> and then let you see first-hand, in-flight, and form
> your own opinion.
>
> If we do this at OSH, I think we should just do it at
> a place like RV-10 HQ, where we probably will already
> have some chairs, and do it on some mid-morning or mid-afternoon
> timeframe, perhaps on a day like Tuesday/Wed/or Thurs.
> It could even be done twice, with the same agenda, so that
> as many builders as possible could participate.
>
> Let's see if there's continuing interest. If you like
> the theory above, then shortly we should start
> off-line gathering a list of topics and questions, and
> we can start getting a list of people to speak. I'm sure
> we could talk Vic, who's also a DAR, into speaking too,
> as long as his schedule allows.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > I can see something that starts off very informal until it hit's a
> > critical mass that we could approach EAA for forum space. In the
mean
> > time I would suggest that someone (JC) starts developing some
talking
> > points that seem to be of interest to the list. We could then
convert
> > one of the daily meeting times at Van's tent to a one hour lunch and
> > learn session someplace that isn't in use with picnic tables or
chairs.
> > Very much a round table type session unless someone of expertise
would
> > have a presentation that they feel would be useful.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Wanna see something cool? |
She is on her own 3 legs and wearing her Eggenfellner engine proudly!!
Dan N289DT RV10E
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| Subject: | Re: Establishing gross weight |
Not considering it took more than fifteen years to get there, totally
different landing gear, different engine, different fuselage. Remember
it started as the C170 in 1948, so there are a lot more changes than
you realize. Almost nothing from 1969 on is original.
On 5/18/07, Lloyd, Daniel R. <LloydDR@wernerco.com> wrote:
>
> Not true for all of the weight changes in the history of the 172, but
> like you said 200 lbs is not a major increase?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> McMullen
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
>
>
>
> The C172 increases came with gear changes and later engine change. It
> went from 2200 to 2300, and eventually I think 2400...not a major
> increase. Also, the airframe was designed as a taildragger, so gear
> and gearbox had to be designed stronger. Those weren't paper changes
> but fully tested, and there were structural changes. Different gear
> legs, different struts, etc.
>
> On 5/18/07, Lloyd, Daniel R. <LloydDR@wernerco.com> wrote:
> > The venerable Cessna 172 has had its max weight increased several
> times
> > during its life, equaling several hundred pounds and without
> structural
> > modification. This was accomplished by continued testing and analyzing
> the
> > results.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Establishing gross weight |
I'd love a ride if you don't mind an overweight passenger too. ;-)
Actually, doing an equivalent strength analysis isn't that difficult
for someone familiar with the process. There are several things about
the structure affected that needs to be known (sizes, material types,
fasteners, etc.) to see exactly how much a gross weight increase will
affect the structure. I'm just very skeptical of anyone just pencil
whipping a higher gross weight on any airplane without checking with a
professional. While the RV-10 may be able to tolerate a 10% weight
increase without structural modification (only as an example, I want
to do or see an analysis before fully agreeing to that statement),
other airplanes can't. See this from Avweb about what severe
turbulence can do to you for someone who wasn't careful in their
flight planning:
http://www.avweb.com/news/probablecause/probable_cause_32_incomplete_briefing_195146-1.html
I'm going to keep watch on the Subbie installation to see how it pans
out. Good alternatinves are always welcome to me.
Kevin H.
(putting in some Sat. OT)
On 5/19/07, Lloyd, Daniel R. <LloydDR@wernerco.com> wrote:
>
> Just come in for the first weekend or the second. Depending on how far
> it is, I might be willing to come get you in my overweight 10!!!
> Remember all of this is in jest and we are just educating each other!
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E (She is on her own gear and rolling with a mounted Subbie)
>
> PS Michael, I did try to post the photos last night at midnight but
> Matronics kicked'em back because they were too big. I will resize and
> send again
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James K Hovis
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 7:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
>
>
> <james.k.hovis@gmail.com>
>
> I'd like to get back to OSH (haven't been since '96) and at least meet
> y'all at the camp. Unfortunantly, my vacation time will be ate up by
> other hobby and family time. Maybe next year....
>
> Kevin H.
>
> On 5/18/07, Bob Leffler <rvmail@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> <rvmail@thelefflers.com>
> >
> > I've swapped some email with Susan Sedlacheck at EAA. We may be able
> to get
> > one of the forum buildings, but they are only available in the
> evening. She
> > also talked about the porch at the Homebuilder's HQ, but I think we
> could
> > easily overwhelm that area.
> >
> > Just some more options if interested.......
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:45 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
> >
> >
> > I've just followed the comments on this so far, but I guess I
> > may as well speak too.
> >
> > I think:
> >
> > General builder questions would be well addressed in things
> > like workshops that already exist at EAA events, and by online
> > discussions, and by things like the recent workshop held
> > by David Saylor. So when it comes to building things, we
> > can all sit around the campfire and shoot the sh1t all night
> > long. That would work well.
> >
> > For general flying skills, I think at present we not only
> > don't have the critical mass nor the commonality among
> > airplanes and panels to really go in depth and have an
> > event that would fit everyone or even draw a huge attendance.
> > We certainly don't have a critical mass to do anything that
> > would qualify us for reduced insurance rates as a motivator.
> >
> > Then, for RV-10 flying skills, nothing really beats a couple
> > hours with someone like Mike S. or Alex D. to get transition
> > training. It's a great place to start.
> >
> > The gap, as I see it today, is that there are a lot of unique
> > discussion topics that really could benefit from an hour
> > (or perhaps much more), where people who are currently flying,
> > operating, or maintaining the RV-10 could give some great
> > input as to the many things that you don't get out of the
> > above. There are things about how the RV-10 flies, and
> > things about how you can operate it, about some
> > maintenance gotchas, and about some things like the the
> > final stages of pre-first-flight preparation, that really
> > would be great for just a forum type event. Perhaps a
> > bullet-point list could be put together by a few people, or
> > questions could be provided for a Q&A list, and at OSH
> > we could set aside some time where 4-10 current RV-10
> > operators could speak as pseudo-panelists and give their
> > opinions...even if they don't all agree. I would be willing
> > to participate in something of that nature. I also am
> > quick to point out that while I may have what some would
> > view as good input to give, I also would not consider myself
> > an expert, as there are truly very few people who fit that
> > description. So just as anything, you'd have to take it
> > only as my opinion. There are far too many who speak
> > as experts without the qualifications, and I don't want
> > anyone to mistake me as one of those.
> >
> > Also, some of the types of questions that could be
> > answered well by a panel of people are what types of
> > impressions they have for the need for certain equipment,
> > such as: Rudder Trim, Yaw Dampners, Autopilot features,
> > Elevator trim, lighting options, and the many things that
> > people question whether or not they want to add them to
> > their plane. Those are things that it would be nice
> > to hear from multiple flying -10 owners and get more
> > of a flowing conversation idea of what they all think.
> >
> > So depending on what y'all say you want, I'd probably be
> > happy to participate. Ideally, everyone would take a demo
> > flight with me or someone else, (which PLEASE, this won't
> > be happening at OSH), because I usually speak at length
> > about some of these things during the demo flights I give.
> > It's the best way to really get things pointed out for you
> > and then let you see first-hand, in-flight, and form
> > your own opinion.
> >
> > If we do this at OSH, I think we should just do it at
> > a place like RV-10 HQ, where we probably will already
> > have some chairs, and do it on some mid-morning or mid-afternoon
> > timeframe, perhaps on a day like Tuesday/Wed/or Thurs.
> > It could even be done twice, with the same agenda, so that
> > as many builders as possible could participate.
> >
> > Let's see if there's continuing interest. If you like
> > the theory above, then shortly we should start
> > off-line gathering a list of topics and questions, and
> > we can start getting a list of people to speak. I'm sure
> > we could talk Vic, who's also a DAR, into speaking too,
> > as long as his schedule allows.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > > I can see something that starts off very informal until it hit's a
> > > critical mass that we could approach EAA for forum space. In the
> mean
> > > time I would suggest that someone (JC) starts developing some
> talking
> > > points that seem to be of interest to the list. We could then
> convert
> > > one of the daily meeting times at Van's tent to a one hour lunch and
> > > learn session someplace that isn't in use with picnic tables or
> chairs.
> > > Very much a round table type session unless someone of expertise
> would
> > > have a presentation that they feel would be useful.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Establishing gross weight |
Kelly,
One thing to remember is in the "old" days, engineering analysis
tended to be extremely conservative which resulted in structures that
were actually more robust than needed. As better analysis tools came
on line (for example NASTRAN), it was easier for Cessna and others to
re-look at old designs and show "upgrades" (i.e. weight and HP
increases) without altering the basic airframes too much. Aircraft
design still tends to be conservative. Why do you think radical design
departures take SO long to get FAA approval if a TC is sought (see
Beech Starship for composite construction)? Fortunantly for Cirrus,
Diamond, and Columbia, Beech spent the money. But the point is, weight
increases on TC aircraft aren't just pencil-whipped, there are
rational professional analyses behind them.
Kevin H.
On 5/19/07, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not considering it took more than fifteen years to get there, totally
> different landing gear, different engine, different fuselage. Remember
> it started as the C170 in 1948, so there are a lot more changes than
> you realize. Almost nothing from 1969 on is original.
>
> On 5/18/07, Lloyd, Daniel R. <LloydDR@wernerco.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not true for all of the weight changes in the history of the 172, but
> > like you said 200 lbs is not a major increase?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> > McMullen
> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:36 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
> >
> >
> >
> > The C172 increases came with gear changes and later engine change. It
> > went from 2200 to 2300, and eventually I think 2400...not a major
> > increase. Also, the airframe was designed as a taildragger, so gear
> > and gearbox had to be designed stronger. Those weren't paper changes
> > but fully tested, and there were structural changes. Different gear
> > legs, different struts, etc.
> >
> > On 5/18/07, Lloyd, Daniel R. <LloydDR@wernerco.com> wrote:
> > > The venerable Cessna 172 has had its max weight increased several
> > times
> > > during its life, equaling several hundred pounds and without
> > structural
> > > modification. This was accomplished by continued testing and analyzing
> > the
> > > results.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | TruTrack pitot static connection |
Anyone know what the threads are on the DigiFlight II for pitot/static
connections. I have tried a 4D connector but it seems too big. What do I
need to connect to 1/4"OD Tygon?
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff
do not archive
3:50 PM
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| Subject: | TruTrack pitot static connection |
John -
The threads in my DigiFlight head are 1/8"NPT...
Neal
Anyone know what the threads are on the DigiFlight II for pitot/static
connections. I have tried a 4D connector but it seems too big. What do I
need to connect to 1/4"OD Tygon?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff
do not archive
3:50 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Charger |
I had looked long and hard and was jut about to buy Battery
Tender/Battery minder type products for my plane. I don't
disagree with their use. But, what drove me to the Schumacher
was that once I dug in on a Saturday a.m. and read everything I
could find about charging Odyssey batteries, it sounded like their
preferred charge curve and voltage was not really compatible with
many of the common chargers. Odyssey had a list of only a handful
of recommended chargers, and the Schumacher that I used was
identical to one that appears to be a Schumacher but branded
as an Odyssey charger that they currently sell...for much more
money. I do know that there are a few chargers that are
specific to charging odyssey batteries properly, so my goal
was just to get one of those. I can't remember the voltage
off hand, but I believe you want a top end of about 14.6V
when charging, and many either over or undershoot that by
a ways. So I was just trying to go to the best possible for
the battery I chose. If I were using just any old battery, I
may not think about it so hard I guess, but if you're spending
the money on an odyssey, I figure you may as well try to
treat it the best possible...that was just my theory.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jim & Julie Wade wrote:
> <jwade@msdeltawireless.com>
>
> I have used the battery minder on the last 3 planes I have had. It
> works great. I ran the plugin into the baggage area and plug it up
> when it is parked. You can even boost from the plug of you have to.
> http://www.vdcelectronics.com/
>
> Jim & Julie 40383 N369JW 95 Hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrack pitot static connection |
I just hooked up a new AP yesterday. They're 1/8" NPT. I used 1/4" ID
Tygon too, and just used some Poly adapters that are 1/8" NPT to 1/4"
barb fitting. The tygon and barb stuff has been fantastic with no
leakage at all. I think it's easier to get a good tight system with
tygon that poly. Either will work, but the Tygon is a bit simpler.
I got mine from Wicks...they seem to have a better selection than
ACS.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Testement wrote:
> Anyone know what the threads are on the DigiFlight II for pitot/static
> connections. I have tried a 4D connector but it seems too big. What do I
> need to connect to 1/4"OD Tygon?
>
> John Testement
> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
> 40321
> Richmond, VA
> Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff
> do not archive
>
> 3:50 PM
>
> *
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| Subject: | Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices |
Just forwarding this idea.
>
>
>Subject: How to get them to lower gas prices]
>
>
>_>>
> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
> >>
> >> This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from
> >> one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton.
> >> It ' s worth your consideration.
> >>
> >> Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a
> >> gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to
> >> come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip
> >> Hollsworth offered this good idea.
> >>
> >> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
> >> campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies
>just
> >> laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
> >> ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us
> >> than it was a problem for them.
> >>
> >> BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
> >> really work. Please read on and join wi th us! By now you're probably
> >> thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is
> >> currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil
> >> companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the
>cost
> >> of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take
>aggressive
> >> action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace ---------not
> >> sellers
> >> With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need
>to
> >> take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come
>down
> >> is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!
>And,
> >> we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our
> >> cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas
> >> prices if we all act together to force a price war.
> >>
> >> Here's the idea:
> >>
> >> For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
> >> biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not
> >> selling any
> >> gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce
> >> their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
> >>
> >> But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and
> >> Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at
>this
> >> point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
> >> millions of people.
> >>
> >> I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at least
> >> ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
>more
> >> (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
> >> sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>consumers
> >> If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
>each,
> >> then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level
> >> further, you guessed it..... THREE
> >> >>>>HUNDRED MILLION >>>>PEOPLE!!!
> >>
> >> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If
>you
> >> don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is
> >> send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a
> >> mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.)
> >>
> >> How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
>ten
> >> more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
> >> conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
> >>
> >> I'll bet you didn't think you and I
> >> had that much potential, di d you?
> >>
> >> Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you,
> >> please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL
> >> UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
> >>
> >> THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------
> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices |
Won't work:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp
I don't know about you, but I can't put grass clippings into my car to
get to work (there's no public transportation out here).
-Jim
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Just forwarding this idea.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: How to get them to lower gas prices]
>>
>>
>>
>> _>>
>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
>> >>
>> >> This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came
>> from
>> >> one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton.
>> >> It ' s worth your consideration.
>> >>
>> >> Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a
>> >> gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline
>> prices to
>> >> come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip
>> >> Hollsworth offered this good idea.
>> >>
>> >> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
>> >> campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil
>> companies just
>> >> laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
>> >> ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience
>> to us
>> >> than it was a problem for them.
>> >>
>> >> BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
>> >> really work. Please read on and join wi th us! By now you're probably
>> >> thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too!
>> It is
>> >> currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil
>> >> companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that
>> the cost
>> >> of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take
>> aggressive
>> >> action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace ---------not
>> >> sellers
>> >> With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers
>> need to
>> >> take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas
>> come down
>> >> is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their
>> gas! And,
>> >> we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely
>> on our
>> >> cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas
>> >> prices if we all act together to force a price war.
>> >>
>> >> Here's the idea:
>> >>
>> >> For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
>> >> biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they
>> are not
>> >> selling any
>> >> gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce
>> >> their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
>> >>
>> >> But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of
>> Exxon and
>> >> Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out
>> at this
>> >> point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
>> >> millions of people.
>> >>
>> >> I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at
>> least
>> >> ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least
>> ten more
>> >> (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
>> >> sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>> consumers
>> >> If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
>> each,
>> >> then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level
>> >> further, you guessed it..... THREE
>> >> >>>>HUNDRED MILLION >>>>PEOPLE!!!
>> >>
>> >> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.
>> (If you
>> >> don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to
>> do is
>> >> send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a
>> >> mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.)
>> >>
>> >> How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out
>> to ten
>> >> more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
>> >> conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
>> >>
>> >> I'll bet you didn't think you and I
>> >> had that much potential, di d you?
>> >>
>> >> Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you,
>> >> please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from
>> EXXON/MOBIL
>> >> UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
>> >>
>> >> THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------
>> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices |
Actually you don't need grass clippings, just a non Exxon gas station.
I don't have any faith either, it is just plain and simple greed and a
capitalistic model that doesn't follow the rules of the game...competition.
Yaw sure, supply and demand is economics 101, but they finally realized
everyone is in the same boat as you. Up the creek without a paddle.
At least the tax payers through our goverment aren't paying for oil
subsidies anymore.
>From: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:28:30 -0400
>
>
>Won't work:
>http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp
>
>I don't know about you, but I can't put grass clippings into my car to get
>to work (there's no public transportation out here).
>
>-Jim
>do not archive
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>>
>>Just forwarding this idea.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Subject: How to get them to lower gas prices]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_>>
>>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
>>> >>
>>> >> This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came
>>>from
>>> >> one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton.
>>> >> It ' s worth your consideration.
>>> >>
>>> >> Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a
>>> >> gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices
>>>to
>>> >> come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip
>>> >> Hollsworth offered this good idea.
>>> >>
>>> >> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
>>> >> campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies
>>>just
>>> >> laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
>>> >> ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to
>>>us
>>> >> than it was a problem for them.
>>> >>
>>> >> BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
>>> >> really work. Please read on and join wi th us! By now you're probably
>>> >> thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It
>>>is
>>> >> currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil
>>> >> companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the
>>>cost
>>> >> of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take
>>>aggressive
>>> >> action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace ---------not
>>> >> sellers
>>> >> With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need
>>>to
>>> >> take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come
>>>down
>>> >> is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!
>>>And,
>>> >> we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on
>>>our
>>> >> cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas
>>> >> prices if we all act together to force a price war.
>>> >>
>>> >> Here's the idea:
>>> >>
>>> >> For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
>>> >> biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are
>>>not
>>> >> selling any
>>> >> gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce
>>> >> their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
>>> >>
>>> >> But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
>>>and
>>> >> Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at
>>>this
>>> >> point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
>>> >> millions of people.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at
>>>least
>>> >> ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
>>>more
>>> >> (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
>>> >> sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>>>consumers
>>> >> If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
>>>each,
>>> >> then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level
>>> >> further, you guessed it..... THREE
>>> >> >>>>HUNDRED MILLION >>>>PEOPLE!!!
>>> >>
>>> >> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If
>>>you
>>> >> don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do
>>>is
>>> >> send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a
>>> >> mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.)
>>> >>
>>> >> How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
>>>ten
>>> >> more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
>>> >> conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll bet you didn't think you and I
>>> >> had that much potential, di d you?
>>> >>
>>> >> Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you,
>>> >> please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from
>>>EXXON/MOBIL
>>> >> UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
>>> >>
>>> >> THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ---------------------------------
>>> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>>> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices |
This is total BS. The reason that gas prices are high is the US Congress.
They prevent the US from finding our own oil on US territory to increase
supply. As a result foreign companies including the Chinese are partnering
with our enemies to produce oil and gas In the Gulf of Mexico. They refuse
to "clear the decks" for building more pipelines and refineries. They
inhibit the use of more nuclear power. They fail to legislate the building
of the nuclear fuel storage area in Yucca Flats.
The author of the gas plan does not understand global markets at all. Oil
and gas are commodities and are sold to the highest bidder. So you don't buy
from the two biggest, you might hurt their dealer stations maybe but they
just switch over and buy some other refiners output for gasoline. The big
ones still produce and sell their crude for $65 a barrel (All they can
produce).
The real problem is supply; the environ(mentals) and Congress have taken it
upon themselves to limit supply and tie up anyone is "red tape" who tries to
accomplish any thing. Good luck with your boycott.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices
Just forwarding this idea.
>
>
>Subject: How to get them to lower gas prices]
>
>
>_>>
> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
> >>
> >> This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from
> >> one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton.
> >> It ' s worth your consideration.
> >>
> >> Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a
> >> gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to
> >> come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip
> >> Hollsworth offered this good idea.
> >>
> >> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
> >> campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies
>just
> >> laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
> >> ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us
> >> than it was a problem for them.
> >>
> >> BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
> >> really work. Please read on and join wi th us! By now you're probably
> >> thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is
> >> currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil
> >> companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the
>cost
> >> of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take
>aggressive
> >> action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace ---------not
> >> sellers
> >> With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need
>to
> >> take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come
>down
> >> is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!
>And,
> >> we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our
> >> cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas
> >> prices if we all act together to force a price war.
> >>
> >> Here's the idea:
> >>
> >> For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
> >> biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not
> >> selling any
> >> gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce
> >> their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
> >>
> >> But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and
> >> Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at
>this
> >> point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
> >> millions of people.
> >>
> >> I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at least
> >> ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
>more
> >> (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
> >> sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>consumers
> >> If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
>each,
> >> then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level
> >> further, you guessed it..... THREE
> >> >>>>HUNDRED MILLION >>>>PEOPLE!!!
> >>
> >> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If
>you
> >> don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is
> >> send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a
> >> mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.)
> >>
> >> How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
>ten
> >> more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
> >> conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
> >>
> >> I'll bet you didn't think you and I
> >> had that much potential, di d you?
> >>
> >> Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you,
> >> please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL
> >> UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
> >>
> >> THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------
> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: nose wheel cocked in flight |
Mine is between 20 and 30 pounds...I expect that will change as thing wear in and
I plan to check it again after the first several hours...I want as much use
out of the $23 1-3/4 Craftsman socket and $7 3/4 to 1/2 adapter. ;)
Rick S.
40185
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One quick note on batteries....make sure you don't leave them on bare concrete...least
that's what I've always been told, sucks the energy right out of them.
I heard it a long time ago...it may be a youngs wives tale.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices |
Lucky your not any where else in the world. I wish we had your prices here.
regards Chris
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 4:26 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices
>
> This is total BS. The reason that gas prices are high is the US Congress.
> They prevent the US from finding our own oil on US territory to increase
> supply. As a result foreign companies including the Chinese are partnering
> with our enemies to produce oil and gas In the Gulf of Mexico. They
> refuse
> to "clear the decks" for building more pipelines and refineries. They
> inhibit the use of more nuclear power. They fail to legislate the building
> of the nuclear fuel storage area in Yucca Flats.
>
> The author of the gas plan does not understand global markets at all. Oil
> and gas are commodities and are sold to the highest bidder. So you don't
> buy
> from the two biggest, you might hurt their dealer stations maybe but they
> just switch over and buy some other refiners output for gasoline. The big
> ones still produce and sell their crude for $65 a barrel (All they can
> produce).
>
> The real problem is supply; the environ(mentals) and Congress have taken
> it
> upon themselves to limit supply and tie up anyone is "red tape" who tries
> to
> accomplish any thing. Good luck with your boycott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:20 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices
>
>
> Just forwarding this idea.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>Subject: How to get them to lower gas prices]
>>
>>
>>
>>_>>
>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
>> >>
>> >> This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came
>> >> from
>> >> one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton.
>> >> It ' s worth your consideration.
>> >>
>> >> Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a
>> >> gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to
>> >> come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip
>> >> Hollsworth offered this good idea.
>> >>
>> >> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
>> >> campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies
>>just
>> >> laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
>> >> ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to
>> >> us
>> >> than it was a problem for them.
>> >>
>> >> BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
>> >> really work. Please read on and join wi th us! By now you're probably
>> >> thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is
>> >> currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil
>> >> companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the
>>cost
>> >> of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take
>>aggressive
>> >> action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace ---------not
>> >> sellers
>> >> With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need
>>to
>> >> take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come
>>down
>> >> is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!
>>And,
>> >> we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on
>> >> our
>> >> cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas
>> >> prices if we all act together to force a price war.
>> >>
>> >> Here's the idea:
>> >>
>> >> For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
>> >> biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are
>> >> not
>> >> selling any
>> >> gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce
>> >> their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
>> >>
>> >> But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
>> >> and
>> >> Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at
>>this
>> >> point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
>> >> millions of people.
>> >>
>> >> I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at
>> >> least
>> >> ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
>>more
>> >> (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
>> >> sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>>consumers
>> >> If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
>>each,
>> >> then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level
>> >> further, you guessed it..... THREE
>> >> >>>>HUNDRED MILLION >>>>PEOPLE!!!
>> >>
>> >> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If
>>you
>> >> don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do
>> >> is
>> >> send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a
>> >> mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.)
>> >>
>> >> How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
>>ten
>> >> more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
>> >> conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
>> >>
>> >> I'll bet you didn't think you and I
>> >> had that much potential, di d you?
>> >>
>> >> Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you,
>> >> please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from
>> >> EXXON/MOBIL
>> >> UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
>> >>
>> >> THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------
>> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: How to get them to lower gas prices |
I'm in Alberta Canada, where they make the stuff...Some places here's it's
now 1.25 liter ($5.68 gallon imp - $4.73 U.S gal) up to 1.30 on Westcoast
Tim
> Lucky your not any where else in the world. I wish we had your prices
here.
>
> regards Chris
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Wanna see something cool? |
Congratulations! Hope to see some performance numbers soon.
Mark
N410MR
>From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Wanna see something cool?
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:10:24 -0400
>
>She is on her own 3 legs and wearing her Eggenfellner engine proudly!!
>Dan N289DT RV10E
><< DSC00214.JPG >>
><< DSC00212.JPG >>
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| Subject: | Re: Screw removal |
Eric, I'm not sure if these will work for you but I bought a set at the Las
Vegas SEMA car show and they will take out about any kind of normal soft
screw. They are pretty amazing. One end drills the head out, and the
opposite is a reverse thread fit that just backs it out. Pretty neat.
http://www.aldn.com/grabit/
Hope this helps.
Bill S
7a Ark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Screw removal
I used easy outs from work. and they didn't work either. Including myself 3
A&Ps have looked at them and they aren't coming out without a fight. The
problem is the metal is so soft that the heads just hollow out. I may end up
having to drill the whole thing out, removing the tank completely, replace
the nutplates, and then re-install the tanks. 30 some years of combined
maintenance exerience and no one here has seen screws this tough to remove.
Guess I will have to keep trying until something works. Thanks for your
help.
Eric
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113668#113668
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Actually true, when wet cell batteries were encased in hard rubber
cases, which went away probably 30 years or so ago in most
applications. You might still find a few. The hard rubber, like all
rubber had a degree of permeability. Not an issue with anything in a
modern plastic case.
On 5/19/07, Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> One quick note on batteries....make sure you don't leave them on bare concrete...least
that's what I've always been told, sucks the energy right out of them.
I heard it a long time ago...it may be a youngs wives tale.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
>
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Rick,
I'cve recently done some research on this subject (we put up a solar and
windmill project at out house) and I found out that concrete energy sucking
is a myth.
But leaving them sitting around for a long time anywhere will hurt them.
Jeff Dalton
Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Batterydied
>
> One quick note on batteries....make sure you don't leave them on bare
> concrete...least that's what I've always been told, sucks the energy right
> out of them. I heard it a long time ago...it may be a youngs wives tale.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Establishing gross weight |
What I am talking about is the changes in the gross weight without
changing/ modifying the airframe. Research the history of the aircraft
and you will see many gross weight changes without any modification to
the airframe, rather extensive testing was accomplished and the gross
weight was modified. This is what I am referring to in this situation,
if the builder is going to change the gross weight than a test period is
required to verify it is safe, and as the builder they are the ones that
need to determine how much and what testing is necessary to be okay with
the change.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
Not considering it took more than fifteen years to get there, totally
different landing gear, different engine, different fuselage. Remember
it started as the C170 in 1948, so there are a lot more changes than
you realize. Almost nothing from 1969 on is original.
On 5/18/07, Lloyd, Daniel R. <LloydDR@wernerco.com> wrote:
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Not true for all of the weight changes in the history of the 172, but
> like you said 200 lbs is not a major increase?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> McMullen
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
>
>
>
> The C172 increases came with gear changes and later engine change. It
> went from 2200 to 2300, and eventually I think 2400...not a major
> increase. Also, the airframe was designed as a taildragger, so gear
> and gearbox had to be designed stronger. Those weren't paper changes
> but fully tested, and there were structural changes. Different gear
> legs, different struts, etc.
>
> On 5/18/07, Lloyd, Daniel R. <LloydDR@wernerco.com> wrote:
> > The venerable Cessna 172 has had its max weight increased several
> times
> > during its life, equaling several hundred pounds and without
> structural
> > modification. This was accomplished by continued testing and
analyzing
> the
> > results.
>
>
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| Subject: | firewall forward kit |
I'm just now ordering my fwf kit. Since I'm getting my engine from
Mattituck I'll not be needing Van's alternator. Is there any thing else
in that kit that I should consider not getting? And does the current
Vetterman's exhaust system have the longer tubes versus the earlier
models? Thanks, Jay Rowe 40301
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| Subject: | Re: Establishing gross weight |
In a message dated 5/19/2007 10:52:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LloydDR@wernerco.com writes:
Research the history of the aircraft
and you will see many gross weight changes without any modification to
the airframe,
Dan which aircraft were paper whipped into increases in gross weight/useful
load without any additional work? The Cessna 172's were increased because of
increased horsepower, tire size and rating changes and new landing gear
modifications...cherokee were increased because of horsepower increases and other
modifications.
What method are you using to calculate your changes to the 10 that Van's has
not gotten correct. I'd think that to really test the higher weights you'd
need to develop a test bed wing and frame. One would probably need both a
flying and static test bed product. I believe the Mooney factory static test bed
they loads bags of shot until the wing deforms or retains it's original
formation and attach points at a calculated load bearing weight. The the test
pilot
fly's the test bed stressing the heck out of the plane in every
condition...spins, smap rolls etc and notes the results both with instruments and
feel. Who
know's estabilishing a new higher gross could include some fun flying...take
along a parachaute, tho.
It seems that a pilot the other week believed that he could do aerobatics in
a baron as he believe the plane was capable of the stresses...it seems the
plane broke up and a few folks when with him as he became a fatal test pilot.
Patrick
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Some references on whether batteries stored on concrete loose their charge
faster or not:
http://www.carquest.com/partsBatteryFAQMyths.html#2
If I set a battery on concrete, it will quickly loose its charge.
Although it is true that after a period of time batteries do
self-discharge, placing them on concrete won't speed the process. What you
place your battery on is not as important as the type of environment you
expose it to. A battery that is stored at cooler temperatures (not below
freezing), and protected from severe extremes, will last much longer than a
battery stored at extreme temperatures.
http://www.interstatebatteries.com/www_2001/content/faqs/tech_talk/maintenance/faq_tech_maint.htm
Will storing my battery on concrete drain the charge? No. Regarding today's
batteries, this is a myth. A battery placed on concrete will not discharge
any faster, but a battery will discharge over a period of time wherever it
is placed. If the battery has a surface layer of acid or grime which is
conductive, the battery will self-discharge more rapidly than if it were
clean and dry.
This myth does have some historical basis. Many years ago, wooden battery
cases encased a glass jar with the battery in it. Any moisture on the floor
could cause the wood to swell and possibly fracture the glass, causing it to
leak. Later came the introduction of the "hard rubber" cases, which were
somewhat porous. A current could be conducted through this container, which
had a high carbon content, if the moist concrete floor permitted the current
to find an electrical ground. The wise advise of the old days to "not store
batteries on concrete" has apparently been passed down to us today, but it
no longer applies.
>
> One quick note on batteries....make sure you don't leave them on bare
> concrete...least that's what I've always been told, sucks the energy right
> out of them. I heard it a long time ago...it may be a youngs wives tale.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
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| Subject: | Establishing gross weight |
OK, just to stir the pot a little more...what category will your RV-10
operate in? Utility, standard??? How may positive and how many negative
g's. It all factors in doesn't it. If you place an operating limit on the
aircraft of lets say +2/-.5 g's could you not increase the gross weight
using the same test data that van's used? (just ignore the hard landing
issue).
What is the fuel burn in climb? 19 gallons an hour? .32 gallons a minute,
or 1.9 pounds a minute. So can you add 20 pounds to the gross weight, and
just assume a 10 minute climb and a reduced capability during climb?
Been at work all day instead of being able to work on the plane, so if this
does not make sense it is because I am to tired to think....
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322 Finish or something like it, my panel arives on Wednesday form Stein,
the pictures look great.
801-721-6080
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
In a message dated 5/19/2007 10:52:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LloydDR@wernerco.com writes:
Research the history of the aircraft
and you will see many gross weight changes without any modification to
the airframe,
Dan which aircraft were paper whipped into increases in gross weight/useful
load without any additional work? The Cessna 172's were increased because
of increased horsepower, tire size and rating changes and new landing gear
modifications...cherokee were increased because of horsepower increases and
other modifications.
What method are you using to calculate your changes to the 10 that Van's has
not gotten correct. I'd think that to really test the higher weights you'd
need to develop a test bed wing and frame. One would probably need both a
flying and static test bed product. I believe the Mooney factory static
test bed they loads bags of shot until the wing deforms or retains it's
original formation and attach points at a calculated load bearing weight.
The the test pilot fly's the test bed stressing the heck out of the plane in
every condition...spins, smap rolls etc and notes the results both with
instruments and feel. Who know's estabilishing a new higher gross could
include some fun flying...take along a parachaute, tho.
It seems that a pilot the other week believed that he could do aerobatics in
a baron as he believe the plane was capable of the stresses...it seems the
plane broke up and a few folks when with him as he became a fatal test
pilot.
Patrick
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The three Standard categories are Normal, Utility and Aerobatic. The
RV-10 has not been tested for more than the most conservative Normal.
Utility will require proof of load carrying at higher (more extreme G
load limits) and VAN has been quite clear that the wings will not accept
Aerobatic so have at it and let us know by email if you survive the Test
Flight. Get some rest first. Kitplanes had a great article on stall
speeds with higher loads last month. You might read up on that before
turning the key.
On the other hand the weights both positive and negative are documented.
If you can shed enough weight, you might be able to hit the aerobatic G
limit with two or three gallons of fuel onboard. Don't forget the
Christen Inverted Oil system too.
John #600
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
OK, just to stir the pot a little more.........what category will your
RV-10 operate in? Utility, standard??? How may positive and how many
negative g's. It all factors in doesn't it. If you place an operating
limit on the aircraft of lets say +2/-.5 g's could you not increase the
gross weight using the same test data that van's used? (just ignore the
hard landing issue).
What is the fuel burn in climb? 19 gallons an hour? .32 gallons a
minute, or 1.9 pounds a minute. So can you add 20 pounds to the gross
weight, and just assume a 10 minute climb and a reduced capability
during climb?
Been at work all day instead of being able to work on the plane, so if
this does not make sense it is because I am to tired to think........
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322 Finish or something like it, my panel arives on Wednesday form
Stein, the pictures look great.
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Establishing gross weight
In a message dated 5/19/2007 10:52:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LloydDR@wernerco.com writes:
Research the history of the aircraft
and you will see many gross weight changes without any
modification to
the airframe,
Dan which aircraft were paper whipped into increases in gross
weight/useful load without any additional work? The Cessna 172's were
increased because of increased horsepower, tire size and rating changes
and new landing gear modifications...cherokee were increased because of
horsepower increases and other modifications.
What method are you using to calculate your changes to the 10 that Van's
has not gotten correct. I'd think that to really test the higher
weights you'd need to develop a test bed wing and frame. One would
probably need both a flying and static test bed product. I believe the
Mooney factory static test bed they loads bags of shot until the wing
deforms or retains it's original formation and attach points at a
calculated load bearing weight. The the test pilot fly's the test bed
stressing the heck out of the plane in every condition...spins, smap
rolls etc and notes the results both with instruments and feel. Who
know's estabilishing a new higher gross could include some fun
flying...take along a parachaute, tho.
It seems that a pilot the other week believed that he could do
aerobatics in a baron as he believe the plane was capable of the
stresses...it seems the plane broke up and a few folks when with him as
he became a fatal test pilot.
Patrick
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