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1. 03:42 AM - Re: empty weight (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
2. 03:55 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
3. 04:59 AM - Re: empty weight (Wayne Edgerton)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (Mark Ritter)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: empty weight (Mark Ritter)
6. 05:19 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (Wayne Edgerton)
7. 05:31 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (Rene Felker)
8. 05:37 AM - Re: PRK surgery (Wayne Edgerton)
9. 05:57 AM - Re: PRK surgery (PJ Seipel)
10. 06:35 AM - Re: PRK surgery (Kelly McMullen)
11. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Gas leak (Rob Kermanj)
12. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Gas leak (Kelly McMullen)
13. 08:05 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (evmeg@snowcrest.net)
14. 08:39 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (jdalton77)
15. 08:45 AM - Re: PRK surgery (Indran Chelvanayagam)
16. 09:17 AM - Re: PRK surgery (Tim Olson)
17. 09:46 AM - Re: PRK surgery ()
18. 10:35 AM - Re: DVD - Pop Up Display (Chris Johnston)
19. 12:32 PM - Re: DVD - Pop Up Display (RV_10)
20. 02:53 PM - Re: DVD - Pop Up Display (Bob Leffler)
21. 04:16 PM - Re: PRK surgery (John W. Cox)
22. 04:50 PM - DAR Inspection (Wayne Edgerton)
23. 05:00 PM - Re: empty weight (Scott Schmidt)
24. 05:52 PM - Re: Gas leak (orchidman)
25. 06:19 PM - Re: My transition training experience (orchidman)
26. 07:09 PM - Re: DAR Inspection (Jesse Saint)
27. 07:32 PM - Bench seat in rear possible? (n277dl)
28. 07:46 PM - Re: DAR Inspection (Rick)
29. 07:59 PM - Re: PRK surgery (Dave Leikam)
30. 08:05 PM - 611TT First Flight (Mark Sutherland)
31. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: My transition training experience (ddddsp1@juno.com)
32. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: Gas leak (ddddsp1@juno.com)
33. 08:33 PM - Re: DAR Inspection (Deems Davis)
34. 08:41 PM - Re: 611TT First Flight (Deems Davis)
35. 08:58 PM - Re: Bench seat in rear possible? (Tim Olson)
36. 09:20 PM - Re: 611TT First Flight (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
37. 10:14 PM - Avidyne EFIS ()
38. 10:14 PM - On board radar ()
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| Subject: | Re: empty weight |
1570# - without wheel pants or paint (interior complete).
In a message dated 5/27/2007 5:36:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
This is a request for others of the 80 RV-10s to post their empty weight
for those of us still building.
John Cox
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
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| Subject: | Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? |
John,
I considered sound proofing while I was building, but then I realized that
I'd flown in both factory -10s and found the noise level to be quite accepta
ble
to me. I called to ask Van's what kind of insulation/soundproofing they had
done; they said none. That is what I did as well and I'm very happy with it.
I flew the first 50 hours with a regular headset and that was fine. I
purchased a Lightspeed ANR headset a few months ago and that makes the air
plane
plenty quiet inside.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 5/27/2007 9:32:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
johnh38@yahoo.com writes:
I have been lurking on this group for months and appreciate Everyone=A2s
ideas, suggestions, and opinions. Thanks to all.
Now I need to ask for advise/recommendations. I have searched this site as
well as vansairforce.net and haven=A2t found a lot of information posted
pertaining to insulation &/or soundproofing the RV-10. Is anyone other th
an Deems
& Curtis soundproofing their aircraft? I=A2m working on the fuse and am try
ing
to weigh the options, Pros vs. Cons. My thinking is that I will add somethi
ng
that is approved to deaden the noise. It's what is available that has me
perplexed. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Sorry to delve off the
panel discussion topic, but I need to think about installation before layin
g the
floors/side panels of the fuse. Specifically, I'm looking for materials lik
e
whats available from aircraft spruce and SoundExproducts.
_http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/soundproofinstall.php_
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/soundproofinstall.php) . And
this link I copied from
Curtis _http://www.soundexproducts.com/information.html_
(http://www.soundexproducts.com/information.html)
Thanks
John #40102
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
_http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew)
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| Subject: | Re: empty weight |
Do you know how much the paint added to your wgt?
Wayne Edgerton #40336
do not archive
Time: 05:03:39 PM PST US
From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
Subject: Re: empty weight
N410MR EW 1,667. Interior and paint.
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| Subject: | Sound proofing the 10 ? |
I used Super Sound Proofing from Aircraft Spruce under the floor panels
(mercy I'll have to drill out 10,000 pop rivets to inspect per one guru)
from the baggage area to the firewall. Also put some behind the fuse side
panels and on the aft side of the firewall. Noise level is real low (have
not measured sound level).
Mark
N410MR
>From: John Hurst <johnh38@yahoo.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ?
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:30:01 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I have been lurking on this group for months and appreciate Everyones
>ideas, suggestions, and opinions. Thanks to all.
>
>Now I need to ask for advise/recommendations. I have searched this site as
>well as vansairforce.net and havent found a lot of information posted
>pertaining to insulation &/or soundproofing the RV-10. Is anyone other
>than Deems & Curtis soundproofing their aircraft? Im working on the fuse
>and am trying to weigh the options, Pros vs. Cons. My thinking is that I
>will add something that is approved to deaden the noise. It's what is
>available that has me perplexed. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
>Sorry to delve off the panel discussion topic, but I need to think about
>installation before laying the floors/side panels of the fuse.
>Specifically, I'm looking for materials like whats available from aircraft
>spruce and SoundExproducts.
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/soundproofinstall.php. And
>this link I copied from Curtis
>http://www.soundexproducts.com/information.html
>
>
>Thanks
>John
>#40102
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| Subject: | Re: empty weight |
Wayne,
I don't know but guessing paint may have added 20#.
Mark
N410MR
>From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight
>Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 06:58:06 -0500
>
>Do you know how much the paint added to your wgt?
>
>Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
>do not archive
>
> Time: 05:03:39 PM PST US
> From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: empty weight
>
>
> N410MR EW 1,667. Interior and paint.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? |
John,
I fully sound proofed my plane. I haven't flown yet so I can't attest to
the final results, but I think it should be very quite. If you knock on
the side of my plane it's just a thud not the tin can sound you normally
hear without soundproofing.
I bought two types of material. One for the fire wall and the other for
the remainder of the plane. It seems to be very high quality easy to
install material. They come in a 27x48 sheet and have a silver outer
shell looking like tin foil. They have a sticky back that you just
remove the film after you've cut it and stick it onto the plane surface.
Very easy to install. I'm having a custom interior guy do my interior
and he also uses this same material.
I purchased the insulation from Buckley Industries in Wichita, KS.
http://buckleyind.com/
If I've got the numbers correct the firewall insulation sheet was part #
139675 and it cost $82.81 for the 27x48 sheet. The side body insulation
# is 139679 and cost $76.64 for the sheet.
I think it's a very good product, although a little pricy..
Wayne Edgerton #40336
DAR coming today if the weather holds out
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| Subject: | Sound proofing the 10 ? |
Good luck with the DAR, let us know how it turns out.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ?
John,
I fully sound proofed my plane. I haven't flown yet so I can't attest to the
final results, but I think it should be very quite. If you knock on the side
of my plane it's just a thud not the tin can sound you normally hear without
soundproofing.
I bought two types of material. One for the fire wall and the other for the
remainder of the plane. It seems to be very high quality easy to install
material. They come in a 27x48 sheet and have a silver outer shell looking
like tin foil. They have a sticky back that you just remove the film after
you've cut it and stick it onto the plane surface. Very easy to install. I'm
having a custom interior guy do my interior and he also uses this same
material.
I purchased the insulation from Buckley Industries in Wichita, KS.
http://buckleyind.com/
If I've got the numbers correct the firewall insulation sheet was part #
139675 and it cost $82.81 for the 27x48 sheet. The side body insulation # is
139679 and cost $76.64 for the sheet.
I think it's a very good product, although a little pricy..
Wayne Edgerton #40336
DAR coming today if the weather holds out
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Hello Dave,
I had LASIK surgery about three years ago and it has worked out great. I
now have 20/15 vision. Because of my maturing age :>} they told me that
if I had the surgery I would have to wear glasses to read, which didn't
sound like a very good deal to me. I told the surgeon that and he said
there is a procedure that could possible make it that I wouldn't need to
wear glasses. It's called Mono Vision and he said that many people
aren't able to adapt to it, but if I wasn't able to adapt they could
complete the process and then I would wear reading glasses. The surgeon
had Mono Vision for himself and I had that done and it worked out ok for
me. My former partner had it and he wasn't able to adapt to it.
The mono vision is where the dominant eye is corrected for your long
vision and the other eye is made for short vision. If someone is
younger, I don't know for sure, but mid forty's or under, then they
probably wouldn't have to worry about the Mono Vision option in that the
eye is still somewhat flexible.
But anyway I've never been unhappy that I had it done. When I took my
flight physical he said I had to wear glasses to fly because my non
dominant eye can't see long distances. But if I understand it correctly
I can apply to the FAA and then go up with an examiner to show I have
depth perception with the surgery and they will wave the restriction,
which I plan on doing.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
Time: 07:19:40 PM PST US
From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com>
Subject: PRK surgery
Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and
how do
you like the results for flying?
I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to
put this
question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not
appropriate for this list, just let it die.
Thanks.
Dave Leikam
40496
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I'll chime in... I had PRK because that's what the military is/was
doing at the time. It worked great, and I love the results. That said,
healing was painful and I did have dry eyes for about six months. I'd
still do it again, although I'd think about the Intralase if I was doing
it now. At the time, getting it done for free was a big bonus.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
Dave Leikam wrote:
> Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and how
> do you like the results for flying?
> I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put
> this question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not
> appropriate for this list, just let it die.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave Leikam
> 40496
>
> do not archive
> *
>
>
> *
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Just keep in mind that the FAA is very skeptical about monovision
because it was a contributing factor in an airline crash at La Guardia
awhile back. In that case I think it was the copilot flying using
monovision contact lenses with no specific approval and he apparently
didn't have sufficient depth perception and landed plane short of the
runway. (a very bad thing at that airport/runway)
> But anyway I've never been unhappy that I had it done. When I took my flight
physical he said I had to wear glasses to fly because my non dominant eye can't
see long distances. But if I understand it correctly I can apply to the FAA
and then go up with an examiner to show I have depth perception with the surgery
and they will wave the restriction, which I plan on doing.
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
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It is a Locktite product perhaps I said 290 and meant 260. I am
traveling and do not have the exact information with me but i know it
is a Loctite product.
On 5/27/07, orchidman <gary@wingscc.com> wrote:
>
>
> apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > Your friendly NAPA or Autozone, etc. auto parts store, in their
> > (aircraft) sealant's area. Right along with their Form a gasket,
> > Permatex #2 & #3, epoxies, etc.
>
> I found it in the aircraft supply section of Autozone. Previously in this thread,
it was referenced as 'Loctite 290' but all I found was 'Permatex' and their
number was PX # 29000. It is labeled 'Threadlocker Green' and 'Penetrating
Formula' so I am sure it is the correct item.
> The good news is that today I tested both tanks and they got a green light, no
bubbles detected. This last week I had been baloon testing and they were going
down at a VERY slow rate which I attribute to the fact that you blow up a
baloon, tie it off and it will still go down over the course of a couple days.
So to go the extra mile, I soaped up the tanks and I am a happy camper [Laughing]
> Gary
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115110#115110
>
>
--
Rob Kermanj
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Permatex markets Locktite these days, and 290 is the correct number.
On 5/28/07, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is a Locktite product perhaps I said 290 and meant 260. I am
> traveling and do not have the exact information with me but i know it
> is a Loctite product.
>
> On 5/27/07, orchidman <gary@wingscc.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > > Your friendly NAPA or Autozone, etc. auto parts store, in their
> > > (aircraft) sealant's area. Right along with their Form a gasket,
> > > Permatex #2 & #3, epoxies, etc.
> >
> > I found it in the aircraft supply section of Autozone. Previously in this
thread, it was referenced as 'Loctite 290' but all I found was 'Permatex' and
their number was PX # 29000. It is labeled 'Threadlocker Green' and 'Penetrating
Formula' so I am sure it is the correct item.
> > The good news is that today I tested both tanks and they got a green light,
no bubbles detected. This last week I had been baloon testing and they were
going down at a VERY slow rate which I attribute to the fact that you blow up
a baloon, tie it off and it will still go down over the course of a couple days.
So to go the extra mile, I soaped up the tanks and I am a happy camper [Laughing]
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115110#115110
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rob Kermanj
>
>
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| Subject: | Sound proofing the 10 ? |
If you want the approved aircraft stuff the place to start is a company
called E.A.R. Quite expensive though. http://www.earaircraft.com/
I went the hot rod route and used a product from another company called
b-quiet in Canada. Much cheaper and the ansi tests seem to have it working
better than any other. It is a sticky butle rubber with a layer of dead
soft aluminum on the outside. See it at the following link.
http://www.b-quiet.com/ I bought the bquiet ultimate in a 50 foot roll and
used it up....will need another to do the whole inside cabin.
Cheers..
Evan
>
>>From: John Hurst <johnh38@yahoo.com>
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ?
>>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:30:01 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>I have been lurking on this group for months and appreciate Everyones
>>ideas, suggestions, and opinions. Thanks to all.
>>
>>Now I need to ask for advise/recommendations. I have searched this site
>> as
>>well as vansairforce.net and havent found a lot of information posted
>>pertaining to insulation &/or soundproofing the RV-10. Is anyone other
>>than Deems & Curtis soundproofing their aircraft? Im working on the fuse
>>and am trying to weigh the options, Pros vs. Cons. My thinking is that I
>>will add something that is approved to deaden the noise. It's what is
>>available that has me perplexed. Any recommendations would be
>> appreciated.
>>Sorry to delve off the panel discussion topic, but I need to think about
>>installation before laying the floors/side panels of the fuse.
>>Specifically, I'm looking for materials like whats available from
>> aircraft
>>spruce and SoundExproducts.
>>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/soundproofinstall.php. And
>>this link I copied from Curtis
>>http://www.soundexproducts.com/information.html
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>John
>>#40102
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? |
Dean,
What thicknesses did you use?
Jeff
Wings Started
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ?
John,
I fully sound proofed my plane. I haven't flown yet so I can't attest
to the final results, but I think it should be very quite. If you knock
on the side of my plane it's just a thud not the tin can sound you
normally hear without soundproofing.
I bought two types of material. One for the fire wall and the other
for the remainder of the plane. It seems to be very high quality easy to
install material. They come in a 27x48 sheet and have a silver outer
shell looking like tin foil. They have a sticky back that you just
remove the film after you've cut it and stick it onto the plane surface.
Very easy to install. I'm having a custom interior guy do my interior
and he also uses this same material.
I purchased the insulation from Buckley Industries in Wichita, KS.
http://buckleyind.com/
If I've got the numbers correct the firewall insulation sheet was part
# 139675 and it cost $82.81 for the 27x48 sheet. The side body
insulation # is 139679 and cost $76.64 for the sheet.
I think it's a very good product, although a little pricy..
Wayne Edgerton #40336
DAR coming today if the weather holds out
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As a practicing ophthalmologist, a pilot, and RV10 builder, I'd like
to add a few data points to the LASIK/PRK discussion.
Firstly, the procedure is classified as a cosmetic procedure - ie
surgery on a previously healthy body part. Even the medical indemnity
insurance companies classify LASIK/PRK surgeons in the same category
as cosmetic plastic surgeons.
The concept of best corrected visual acuity (BCVA) needs to be
brought up - the best achievable vision with spectacle correction.
While people do see an amazing increase in uncorrected visual acuity
(UCVA), the fact is that BCVA stays the same or drops one line. In
addition, there is a definite decrease in contrast sensitivity after
the procedure (think IFR approach to minima in haze/smoke/cloud).
Other symptoms like glare and haloes at night do occur in a small but
significant proportion of patients. These facts are all well
supported by multiple studies. What this means is that your best
potential vision deceases slightly after surgery.
Thirdly, the lack of long-term followup studies, particularly for
LASIK. The eye can be considered as a floppy bag pumped up with fluid
to maintain it's shape. The cornea is 500 microns thick on average,
and stays generally the same shape for a lifetime, resisting
deformation by intraocular pressure. LASIK involves cutting a flap
(mechanically or with laser) of 120-160 microns thick, then removing
up to 100 microns with the excimer laser. This can leave only 250
microns or so to last the rest of the patient's lifetime. Some of the
earlier attempts with LASIK where even more corneal tissue was
removed resulted in gradual bulging forward of the cornea (iatrogenic
keretectasia) several years later. These unfortunate patients needed
corneal transplantation. PRK has fewer of these biomechanical
concerns as less corneal tissue is removed.
Surgical risk needs to be brought up - while rare, it is possible to
have a complication which can permanently damage vision post-
operatively.
The flap created by LASIK also never fully heals. It is very easy to
lift a flap years after the initial procedure with a blunt
instrument. There was a case described of a man who lost his flap
during a game of basketball 4 years after LASIK when another player's
fingernail grazed his eye at the wrong angle. The military does not
use LASIK for combat pilots/paratroopers etc, because the flaps swell
and distort at high altitude(>15,000ft), low humidity and low oxygen.
Having said all of this, the procedure has very good results
(although not perfect). The outcome can be a life-changing event for
someone previously dependent on spectacles or contact lenses for
every aspect of their daily life. I hope that by bringing up these
points, anyone considering the procedure researches the issues
thoroughly and comes to a fully informed decision.
Indran
On 28/05/2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave Leikam wrote:
> Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and
> how do you like the results for flying?
> I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put
> this question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is
> not appropriate for this list, just let it die.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave Leikam
> 40496
>
> do not archive
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Indran gave some excellent info there. My doc did warn me about
the possibilities, and there are people who have things go wrong.
Even when they quote 95% success rates, that's still quite a few
people left with issues.
Just on the below note though... From what I was told, the
Intralase procedure I mentioned is an improvement from the blade
just because of the flap issue. Instead of cutting the flap, they
use a laser to explode little bubbles uniformly at a certain depth,
creating a flap that can be lifted. It's this non-razor-cut flap
that is supposed to help it heal quicker and firmer to the cornea.
They called it kind of a "velcro flap" effect.
I have absolutely zero first-hand medical knowledge that qualifies
me to give any more than my personal results, but basically, I
had been in twice for lasik and decided against it after further
contemplation, until I got to learn about custom correction with
Intralase and then took the plunge.
Sorry to be going on off-topic, but Indran's info was fantastic
and the thread will probably die off soon anyway.
Tim
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Indran Chelvanayagam wrote:
>
> The flap created by LASIK also never fully heals. It is very easy to
> lift a flap years after the initial procedure with a blunt instrument.
> There was a case described of a man who lost his flap during a game of
> basketball 4 years after LASIK when another player's fingernail grazed
> his eye at the wrong angle. The military does not use LASIK for combat
> pilots/paratroopers etc, because the flaps swell and distort at high
> altitude(>15,000ft), low humidity and low oxygen.
>
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I had Lasik done (about 12 years ago). I went from having to wear corrective lenses
for far vision to using reading glasses.
Pros - My age (52) would require reading glasses anyway but I get by with cheap
Walmart glasses (multiple sets) left in places where I use them, home office,
car, airplane. My distant vision is now 20/15 and I can use non prescription
sunglasses.
cons - Yes I did have night vision halo's for about 8 months after the surgery.
i do notice some problems right at twilight and dim lighting conditions. Nothing
major.
My medical still requires that I carry glasses, so no difference there.
As a point of reference, I think the Naval Academy is now doing all midshipmen
in an effort to get more potential pilot candidates. I will have to check with
my daughter on that.
Jim C
40192
Finishing Kit.
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From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com>
Subject: RV10-List: PRK surgery
Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and how do you like
the results for flying?
I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put this question
out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not appropriate for this
list, just let it die.
Thanks.
Dave Leikam
40496
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I also wanted entertainment for nervous or bored passengers - and some
buttons that they are allowed to push :)...
i spec'd it out a couple different ways, so i could change my mind a few
more times based on my mood that day...
lightest weight/best bang for the buck:
headrest style monitor with a video ipod providing all the
entertainment. this provides more music and movies than you'll ever
have time to play while flying, and ends up being really lightweight.
car stereos that play dvds are pretty heavy for a couple reasons - the
dvd motor and transport, and also the amplifiers in the unit. remember
that car stereos are meant to supply approprate power to drive speakers
directly, something that we in the airplane building business aren't
interested in. with the ipod weighing 5.5 oz and a plane jane video
monitor like this -
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15
966 you come in pretty lightweight. the pop-up dash monitors like
this one:
http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store
_Code=MV&Product_Code=ID7169 are nice because they get out of the
way when you're not using them, but you get a bit of a weight penalty
from the motor.
there's also some more elegant solutions for this type of setup, but
then you start a little more weight, and also cost. for those
interested, check this out:
http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product_acc.php?model=KCE-415i
this is an interface that works with ipod, charges the unit, and allows
you to control the ipod from a touch screen monitor. the monitor that
works with it is a bit spendy, but i bet it looks amazing.
using the ipod for video is a pretty sweet solution, and there's some
great software out there thats FREE to rip your DVD movies and stick em
on the ipod. and when you get to where you're going you have your ipod
with you. cool.
i also looked around at dvd changers that have all the bells and
whistles. i bought one that either will go in the airplane or my
girlfriend's car. haven't quite decided yet. the cool thing about it
is that it's got interfaces for both sirius and xm, a 6 disc dvd
changer, ipod controller, external video inputs, and i think it'll toast
a pop-tart. it is heavy though...
then there's the 1/2 din stand-alone dvd/cd/mp3 player that is tiny and
lightweight, and that coupled with any stand-alone screen would provide
hours of entertainment, be very lightweight, and could be done pretty
cheaply. something like this:
http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store
_Code=MV&Product_Code=DV-180
i'm pretty sure this one isn't IFR certified though...:)
can anybody guess what i do for a living?
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sun 5/27/2007 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display
Robin,
I had the same concern and went with the cheapest pop-up DVD player I
could find on eBay. Shipped from China but works great overall. It was
a
little heavy, although I didn't actually weigh it. The performance of
the
-10 is so great that a few extra pounds is well worth keeping the family
happy. My wife measures trips in how many DVDs to take and loves it.
The
only drawback with the el cheapo is it doesn't like heat too much. If I
leave it powered off until at cruise there's no issues, but on a warm
day
down low it will start to skip and go stupid so I'm working on better
cooling air for it.
Marcus
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display
RV-10 list,
Let me preface this post with the fact that I have a
nervous
flying wife & daughter that need a distraction while traveling in
general
aviation.
I was planning on including a 7" DVD pop-up display (with XM, iPod, CD
etc.)
on my -10 panel plus two LCD displays in the headrests. The DVD I
ordered a
nice 1 din unit at a good price on ebay ($329.00 pop up unit only, no
rear
LCD's) When it arrived it was MUCH heavier than I anticipated. I
assumed
that they would all be about the same weight (3-5 lbs.) so I didn't do a
lot
of research. My stout little unit weighs in at 9.50 lbs before I add the
rear displays. I see a few units that are 5-6 lbs but they are 2.5 times
more expensive.
I was hoping to avoid lap dvd players or laptops so the pax can all have
the
same dvd experience and at the same time avoid all the extra loose
hardware
and chargers flying around the cabin in the case of a unscheduled
landing.
I would appreciate any suggestions as long as they don't include finding
a
way to get the family into flying. I am sure when we start doing real
x-country trips on a more regular basis they will naturally (and slowly)
become more comfortable with GA travel.
Thanks in advance,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A Fly
RV-10 parts, parts, parts
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Chris,
That is fantastic.
Thank you,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2007 3:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display
I also wanted entertainment for nervous or bored passengers - and some
buttons that they are allowed to push :)...
i spec'd it out a couple different ways, so i could change my mind a few
more times based on my mood that day...
lightest weight/best bang for the buck:
headrest style monitor with a video ipod providing all the entertainment.
this provides more music and movies than you'll ever have time to play while
flying, and ends up being really lightweight. car stereos that play dvds
are pretty heavy for a couple reasons - the dvd motor and transport, and
also the amplifiers in the unit. remember that car stereos are meant to
supply approprate power to drive speakers directly, something that we in the
airplane building business aren't interested in. with the ipod weighing 5.5
oz and a plane jane video monitor like this -
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15966
you come in pretty lightweight. the pop-up dash monitors like this one:
http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code
=MV&Product_Code=ID7169 are nice because they get out of the way when you're
not using them, but you get a bit of a weight penalty from the motor.
there's also some more elegant solutions for this type of setup, but then
you start a little more weight, and also cost. for those interested, check
this out:
http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product_acc.php?model=KCE-415i
this is an interface that works with ipod, charges the unit, and allows you
to control the ipod from a touch screen monitor. the monitor that works
with it is a bit spendy, but i bet it looks amazing.
using the ipod for video is a pretty sweet solution, and there's some great
software out there thats FREE to rip your DVD movies and stick em on the
ipod. and when you get to where you're going you have your ipod with you.
cool.
i also looked around at dvd changers that have all the bells and whistles.
i bought one that either will go in the airplane or my girlfriend's car.
haven't quite decided yet. the cool thing about it is that it's got
interfaces for both sirius and xm, a 6 disc dvd changer, ipod controller,
external video inputs, and i think it'll toast a pop-tart. it is heavy
though...
then there's the 1/2 din stand-alone dvd/cd/mp3 player that is tiny and
lightweight, and that coupled with any stand-alone screen would provide
hours of entertainment, be very lightweight, and could be done pretty
cheaply. something like this:
http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code
=MV&Product_Code=DV-180
i'm pretty sure this one isn't IFR certified though...:)
can anybody guess what i do for a living?
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sun 5/27/2007 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display
Robin,
I had the same concern and went with the cheapest pop-up DVD player I
could find on eBay. Shipped from China but works great overall. It was a
little heavy, although I didn't actually weigh it. The performance of the
-10 is so great that a few extra pounds is well worth keeping the family
happy. My wife measures trips in how many DVDs to take and loves it. The
only drawback with the el cheapo is it doesn't like heat too much. If I
leave it powered off until at cruise there's no issues, but on a warm day
down low it will start to skip and go stupid so I'm working on better
cooling air for it.
Marcus
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display
RV-10 list,
Let me preface this post with the fact that I have a nervous
flying wife & daughter that need a distraction while traveling in general
aviation.
I was planning on including a 7" DVD pop-up display (with XM, iPod, CD etc.)
on my -10 panel plus two LCD displays in the headrests. The DVD I ordered a
nice 1 din unit at a good price on ebay ($329.00 pop up unit only, no rear
LCD's) When it arrived it was MUCH heavier than I anticipated. I assumed
that they would all be about the same weight (3-5 lbs.) so I didn't do a lot
of research. My stout little unit weighs in at 9.50 lbs before I add the
rear displays. I see a few units that are 5-6 lbs but they are 2.5 times
more expensive.
I was hoping to avoid lap dvd players or laptops so the pax can all have the
same dvd experience and at the same time avoid all the extra loose hardware
and chargers flying around the cabin in the case of a unscheduled landing.
I would appreciate any suggestions as long as they don't include finding a
way to get the family into flying. I am sure when we start doing real
x-country trips on a more regular basis they will naturally (and slowly)
become more comfortable with GA travel.
Thanks in advance,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A Fly
RV-10 parts, parts, parts
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Another good source for video components is:
http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?WebPage_ID=41
Now we just have to wait for somebody to put something like this in the back
seats for the "real" theater sensation:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=299-028 :^)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV_10
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display
Chris,
That is fantastic.
Thank you,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2007 3:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display
I also wanted entertainment for nervous or bored passengers - and some
buttons that they are allowed to push :)...
i spec'd it out a couple different ways, so i could change my mind a few
more times based on my mood that day...
lightest weight/best bang for the buck:
headrest style monitor with a video ipod providing all the entertainment.
this provides more music and movies than you'll ever have time to play while
flying, and ends up being really lightweight. car stereos that play dvds
are pretty heavy for a couple reasons - the dvd motor and transport, and
also the amplifiers in the unit. remember that car stereos are meant to
supply approprate power to drive speakers directly, something that we in the
airplane building business aren't interested in. with the ipod weighing 5.5
oz and a plane jane video monitor like this -
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15966
you come in pretty lightweight. the pop-up dash monitors like this one:
http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code
=MV&Product_Code=ID7169 are nice because they get out of the way when you're
not using them, but you get a bit of a weight penalty from the motor.
there's also some more elegant solutions for this type of setup, but then
you start a little more weight, and also cost. for those interested, check
this out:
http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product_acc.php?model=KCE-415i
this is an interface that works with ipod, charges the unit, and allows you
to control the ipod from a touch screen monitor. the monitor that works
with it is a bit spendy, but i bet it looks amazing.
using the ipod for video is a pretty sweet solution, and there's some great
software out there thats FREE to rip your DVD movies and stick em on the
ipod. and when you get to where you're going you have your ipod with you.
cool.
i also looked around at dvd changers that have all the bells and whistles.
i bought one that either will go in the airplane or my girlfriend's car.
haven't quite decided yet. the cool thing about it is that it's got
interfaces for both sirius and xm, a 6 disc dvd changer, ipod controller,
external video inputs, and i think it'll toast a pop-tart. it is heavy
though...
then there's the 1/2 din stand-alone dvd/cd/mp3 player that is tiny and
lightweight, and that coupled with any stand-alone screen would provide
hours of entertainment, be very lightweight, and could be done pretty
cheaply. something like this:
http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code
=MV&Product_Code=DV-180
i'm pretty sure this one isn't IFR certified though...:)
can anybody guess what i do for a living?
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sun 5/27/2007 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display
Robin,
I had the same concern and went with the cheapest pop-up DVD player I
could find on eBay. Shipped from China but works great overall. It was a
little heavy, although I didn't actually weigh it. The performance of the
-10 is so great that a few extra pounds is well worth keeping the family
happy. My wife measures trips in how many DVDs to take and loves it. The
only drawback with the el cheapo is it doesn't like heat too much. If I
leave it powered off until at cruise there's no issues, but on a warm day
down low it will start to skip and go stupid so I'm working on better
cooling air for it.
Marcus
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display
RV-10 list,
Let me preface this post with the fact that I have a nervous
flying wife & daughter that need a distraction while traveling in general
aviation.
I was planning on including a 7" DVD pop-up display (with XM, iPod, CD etc.)
on my -10 panel plus two LCD displays in the headrests. The DVD I ordered a
nice 1 din unit at a good price on ebay ($329.00 pop up unit only, no rear
LCD's) When it arrived it was MUCH heavier than I anticipated. I assumed
that they would all be about the same weight (3-5 lbs.) so I didn't do a lot
of research. My stout little unit weighs in at 9.50 lbs before I add the
rear displays. I see a few units that are 5-6 lbs but they are 2.5 times
more expensive.
I was hoping to avoid lap dvd players or laptops so the pax can all have the
same dvd experience and at the same time avoid all the extra loose hardware
and chargers flying around the cabin in the case of a unscheduled landing.
I would appreciate any suggestions as long as they don't include finding a
way to get the family into flying. I am sure when we start doing real
x-country trips on a more regular basis they will naturally (and slowly)
become more comfortable with GA travel.
Thanks in advance,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A Fly
RV-10 parts, parts, parts
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Thank you and what a valuable post. You are confirming with clarity
much of which I have heard muddled for the last five years.
John C.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Indran
Chelvanayagam
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery
As a practicing ophthalmologist, a pilot, and RV10 builder, I'd like to
add a few data points to the LASIK/PRK discussion.
Firstly, the procedure is classified as a cosmetic procedure - ie
surgery on a previously healthy body part. Even the medical indemnity
insurance companies classify LASIK/PRK surgeons in the same category as
cosmetic plastic surgeons.
The concept of best corrected visual acuity (BCVA) needs to be brought
up - the best achievable vision with spectacle correction. While people
do see an amazing increase in uncorrected visual acuity (UCVA), the fact
is that BCVA stays the same or drops one line. In addition, there is a
definite decrease in contrast sensitivity after the procedure (think IFR
approach to minima in haze/smoke/cloud). Other symptoms like glare and
haloes at night do occur in a small but significant proportion of
patients. These facts are all well supported by multiple studies. What
this means is that your best potential vision deceases slightly after
surgery.
Thirdly, the lack of long-term followup studies, particularly for LASIK.
The eye can be considered as a floppy bag pumped up with fluid to
maintain it's shape. The cornea is 500 microns thick on average, and
stays generally the same shape for a lifetime, resisting deformation by
intraocular pressure. LASIK involves cutting a flap (mechanically or
with laser) of 120-160 microns thick, then removing up to 100 microns
with the excimer laser. This can leave only 250 microns or so to last
the rest of the patient's lifetime. Some of the earlier attempts with
LASIK where even more corneal tissue was removed resulted in gradual
bulging forward of the cornea (iatrogenic keretectasia) several years
later. These unfortunate patients needed corneal transplantation. PRK
has fewer of these biomechanical concerns as less corneal tissue is
removed.
Surgical risk needs to be brought up - while rare, it is possible to
have a complication which can permanently damage vision
post-operatively.
The flap created by LASIK also never fully heals. It is very easy to
lift a flap years after the initial procedure with a blunt instrument.
There was a case described of a man who lost his flap during a game of
basketball 4 years after LASIK when another player's fingernail grazed
his eye at the wrong angle. The military does not use LASIK for combat
pilots/paratroopers etc, because the flaps swell and distort at high
altitude(>15,000ft), low humidity and low oxygen.
Having said all of this, the procedure has very good results (although
not perfect). The outcome can be a life-changing event for someone
previously dependent on spectacles or contact lenses for every aspect of
their daily life. I hope that by bringing up these points, anyone
considering the procedure researches the issues thoroughly and comes to
a fully informed decision.
Indran
On 28/05/2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave Leikam wrote:
Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and how do
you like the results for flying?
I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put this
question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not
appropriate for this list, just let it die.
Thanks.
Dave Leikam
40496
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Well I had my DAR inspection today and luckily for me it went through
without a hitch. He found a few little items but nothing of any
consequence. It feels great to be past that junture and I'm ready to
move onto the fly off stage. I had a couple of other 10 builders and a 7
builder stop by the hangar during the inspection to take notes for when
they are ready :>}
Thanks to all of you who made those great posts or answered some of my
questions along the way. Without all you little people I wouldn't be
here today :>} Oops, sorry I got carried away with my acceptance speech
:>}
I've attached a few pictures from today. The DAR is Mel Asberry from
Farmersville, TX, he's the one with a beard, and he's a really thorough
but nice guy. He made it an enjoyable inspection day.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
ready to leave terra firma soon
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| Subject: | Re: empty weight |
Empty Weight - 1680 lbs. (I still need to add my headliner and dash cover.)
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:33:46 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: empty weight
This is a request for others of the 80 RV-10s to post their empty weight
for those of us still building.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight
Tim 1,685
Randy 1,625
Vic 1,665
Chuck 1,615
Rob 1,558
Chuck and Vic weight from <http://www.rvproject.com/wab/>
Rob, looks like you have the light weight machine. Which prop? With or
without wheel pants?
Larry Rosen
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
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flysrv10(at)gmail.com wrote:
> It is a Locktite product perhaps I said 290 and meant 260. I am
> traveling and do not have the exact information with me but i know it
> is a Loctite product.
>
As it turns out, I didn't need it but I always like having an item like that in
my tool kit. I would be inerested in knowing if I have an acceptable substitute.
--------
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RV10 - # 40674
(N410GB reserved)
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115279#115279
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| Subject: | Re: My transition training experience |
ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:
> For those interested I posted a writeup on my TT with Mike Seager on
> Vansairfoce.net under RV10 posts.
>
> Dean 40449
In your first posting at Vansairforce.net, you said 'I also noticed how much better
qualilty the fiberglass Cabin tops are now vs the one we received.'
I will be ordering my Fuselage and finishing kits soon and was wondering if you
could expand on how the quality has improved from when you received your top
to what you saw there now?
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RV10 - # 40674
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Congrats! When do you expect to have your first flight?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: DAR Inspection
Well I had my DAR inspection today and luckily for me it went through
without a hitch. He found a few little items but nothing of any consequence.
It feels great to be past that junture and I'm ready to move onto the fly
off stage. I had a couple of other 10 builders and a 7 builder stop by the
hangar during the inspection to take notes for when they are ready :>}
Thanks to all of you who made those great posts or answered some of my
questions along the way. Without all you little people I wouldn't be here
today :>} Oops, sorry I got carried away with my acceptance speech :>}
I've attached a few pictures from today. The DAR is Mel Asberry from
Farmersville, TX, he's the one with a beard, and he's a really thorough but
nice guy. He made it an enjoyable inspection day.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
ready to leave terra firma soon
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| Subject: | Bench seat in rear possible? |
Hey folks,
Thinking of being a repeat offender. I've built and fly a -7A. Have about 500
hours on it in since 4-04. Now I'm wanting extra seating so thinking seriously
about the -10.
My question is the possibility of having a baby carrier strapped down in the back,
along with a couple moms. My youngest daughter is getting married Saturday
and my son was married a year ago. Fast forward 2-5 years and we all know what
usually happens next in life.
I know that 90%+ of the time, seating for 4 adults will be more than enough but
I want the ability to have that 5th seat for that once or twice a year opportunity.
So, anyone been there done that... seat belts for 5???
--------
Doug
RV7A flying ~500hrs
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| Subject: | Re: DAR Inspection |
Hey Wayne,
How about some interior pics for us getting ready for interiors!!
Rick S.
40185
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Thanks for all the info. You guys are great! I have been on the fence
about the surgery for a long time. My wife had LASIK done and says the only
thing she regrets is that she waited so long. I'm 41 and see 20/15 with
contacts. It's really hard to justify fixing something which doesn't seem
broke. I have a mapping appointment on Thursday. Thanks again.
Dave Leikam
40496
QB wings
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----- Original Message -----
From: <jim@CombsFive.Com>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:
Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery
>
> I had Lasik done (about 12 years ago). I went from having to wear
> corrective lenses for far vision to using reading glasses.
>
> Pros - My age (52) would require reading glasses anyway but I get by with
> cheap Walmart glasses (multiple sets) left in places where I use them,
> home office, car, airplane. My distant vision is now 20/15 and I can use
> non prescription sunglasses.
>
> cons - Yes I did have night vision halo's for about 8 months after the
> surgery. i do notice some problems right at twilight and dim lighting
> conditions. Nothing major.
>
> My medical still requires that I carry glasses, so no difference there.
>
> As a point of reference, I think the Naval Academy is now doing all
> midshipmen in an effort to get more potential pilot candidates. I will
> have to check with my daughter on that.
>
> Jim C
> 40192
> Finishing Kit.
>
> ===========================================================
> From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com>
> Date: 2007/05/27 Sun PM 11:19:12 EDT
> To: "matronics" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: PRK surgery
>
> Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and how do
> you like the results for flying?
> I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put this
> question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not
> appropriate for this list, just let it die.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave Leikam
> 40496
>
> do not archive
> ===========================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 611TT First Flight |
I decided to take up my RV-10 today for her first flight (about 20 minutes)
and as you can see I safely returned to earth. Builder number 40292, I have
been working on her 2.5 years and received DAR approval this week. Airplane
few great and was very quiet, cool and fast. It took me three tries to
land. I could not get her to slow down. I am use to my bonanza, when you
drop the gear and flaps she is coming down fast. When I pulled power and
dropped the flaps, the RV-10 wanted to keep flying. I have a few minor
electrical issues to resolve but everything else worked great. Some
pictures are attached.
Mark Sutherland
325-646-4156
mark@tintopranch.com
www.tintopranch.com
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| Subject: | Re: My transition training experience |
Gary,
The tops are more uniform around the windows and door opening then
earlier models. Several areas needed to be built up to match the depth
around the doors and windows on early tops. Some tops even had VOIDS
in them that need to be refilled. It appeared if the mold had a bad
spot they just poured straight epoxy into the hole to fix it. I did
not see any of that on the ones in the factory now.
Dean
40449
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How long do you have to leave the loctite sit before it is cured?
Dean
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| Subject: | Re: DAR Inspection |
Well Done Wayne!!!!!
Please keep us updated on the stage 1. I don't recall too may posts
about things that happen during fly-off. I'm sure they happen based on
what I hear from guys in EAA chpt mtgs., I think we could all learn
from hearing about them.
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine stuff
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 611TT First Flight |
Wow, you guys are starting to pop up with regularity now!!!!
Congratulations !!! Please keep us updated on you fly-off.
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Bench seat in rear possible? |
Doug, congrats on the family stuff, I'm sure you're happy to have
all of that activity happening.
I don't want to discourage you, but you'll find it hard to actually
consider getting 5 "seats" out of the -10 that would fit 2 moms
plus an actual baby carrier in the back. Those carriers take up
quite a bit of room.
You can get 3 kids across the back if you try...but it's just
a width thing. As far as kits go though, you're no worse off than
in any other normal 4-seater, so it's not any more exclude-able than
many many other planes. If it fits your mission 90%+ of the time,
you're probably fine considering it.
The best advice for your question is to go find the nearest RV-10
and bring a couple people with you and test it out in the rear.
Then you'll know exactly how much room there is. Even with a bench
seat though, you have to have room for the seat belt attach points
and all the various things that prevent it from being easy to just
squeeze in another seat.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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n277dl wrote:
>
> Hey folks, Thinking of being a repeat offender. I've built and fly a
> -7A. Have about 500 hours on it in since 4-04. Now I'm wanting
> extra seating so thinking seriously about the -10.
>
> My question is the possibility of having a baby carrier strapped down
> in the back, along with a couple moms. My youngest daughter is
> getting married Saturday and my son was married a year ago. Fast
> forward 2-5 years and we all know what usually happens next in life.
>
>
> I know that 90%+ of the time, seating for 4 adults will be more than
> enough but I want the ability to have that 5th seat for that once or
> twice a year opportunity.
>
> So, anyone been there done that... seat belts for 5???
>
> -------- Doug RV7A flying ~500hrs
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115296#115296
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 611TT First Flight |
Nice job! And nice landing strip.
Kevin
40494
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Someone asked about Avidyne Entegra EFIS for experimentals. They
announced that at Sun N Fun. I don't know what their availability or
pricing would be.
Interestingly enough, on one hand, you'd get a few less features than
with some "experimental" EFIS systems (no HITs & no synthetic vision
yet), but you do get an "IFR EFIS" to use a popular term. I would
classify it that way, since it is TSO certified for all of the
appropriate flight instruments. Has been through a sh**-load of
environmental testing, too.
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-401-2522
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Russ:
I concur that you need to keep a clear separation between satellite
weather and "on-board radar". As others have pointed out, there is a
several-minute delay for NEXRAD data to be collected, assembled, sent
over the satellite, and received. This is a lot different from on-board
radar that gives an instant view of the weather ahead.
While working on XM weather when I was at Avidyne, that was a big
concern for us and the FAA - namely, that someone is going to try and
use XM (or WSI) NEXRAD information to "thread the needle" between
weather cells and they get whacked because their information is a few
minutes old.
Certainly use XM to avoid weather, but still give it a wide berth.
Don't think you can snake your way through the middle and save 10
minutes . . .
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-401-2522
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