---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/28/07: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - Re: empty weight (JSMcGrew@aol.com) 2. 03:55 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (JSMcGrew@aol.com) 3. 04:59 AM - Re: empty weight (Wayne Edgerton) 4. 05:11 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (Mark Ritter) 5. 05:14 AM - Re: empty weight (Mark Ritter) 6. 05:19 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (Wayne Edgerton) 7. 05:31 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (Rene Felker) 8. 05:37 AM - Re: PRK surgery (Wayne Edgerton) 9. 05:57 AM - Re: PRK surgery (PJ Seipel) 10. 06:35 AM - Re: PRK surgery (Kelly McMullen) 11. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Gas leak (Rob Kermanj) 12. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Gas leak (Kelly McMullen) 13. 08:05 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (evmeg@snowcrest.net) 14. 08:39 AM - Re: Sound proofing the 10 ? (jdalton77) 15. 08:45 AM - Re: PRK surgery (Indran Chelvanayagam) 16. 09:17 AM - Re: PRK surgery (Tim Olson) 17. 09:46 AM - Re: PRK surgery () 18. 10:35 AM - Re: DVD - Pop Up Display (Chris Johnston) 19. 12:32 PM - Re: DVD - Pop Up Display (RV_10) 20. 02:53 PM - Re: DVD - Pop Up Display (Bob Leffler) 21. 04:16 PM - Re: PRK surgery (John W. Cox) 22. 04:50 PM - DAR Inspection (Wayne Edgerton) 23. 05:00 PM - Re: empty weight (Scott Schmidt) 24. 05:52 PM - Re: Gas leak (orchidman) 25. 06:19 PM - Re: My transition training experience (orchidman) 26. 07:09 PM - Re: DAR Inspection (Jesse Saint) 27. 07:32 PM - Bench seat in rear possible? (n277dl) 28. 07:46 PM - Re: DAR Inspection (Rick) 29. 07:59 PM - Re: PRK surgery (Dave Leikam) 30. 08:05 PM - 611TT First Flight (Mark Sutherland) 31. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: My transition training experience (ddddsp1@juno.com) 32. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: Gas leak (ddddsp1@juno.com) 33. 08:33 PM - Re: DAR Inspection (Deems Davis) 34. 08:41 PM - Re: 611TT First Flight (Deems Davis) 35. 08:58 PM - Re: Bench seat in rear possible? (Tim Olson) 36. 09:20 PM - Re: 611TT First Flight (kilopapa@antelecom.net) 37. 10:14 PM - Avidyne EFIS () 38. 10:14 PM - On board radar () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:08 AM PST US From: JSMcGrew@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight 1570# - without wheel pants or paint (interior complete). In a message dated 5/27/2007 5:36:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes: --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" This is a request for others of the 80 RV-10s to post their empty weight for those of us still building. John Cox Jim "Scooter" McGrew _http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:18 AM PST US From: JSMcGrew@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? John, I considered sound proofing while I was building, but then I realized that I'd flown in both factory -10s and found the noise level to be quite accepta ble to me. I called to ask Van's what kind of insulation/soundproofing they had done; they said none. That is what I did as well and I'm very happy with it. I flew the first 50 hours with a regular headset and that was fine. I purchased a Lightspeed ANR headset a few months ago and that makes the air plane plenty quiet inside. -Jim 40134 In a message dated 5/27/2007 9:32:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johnh38@yahoo.com writes: I have been lurking on this group for months and appreciate Everyone=A2s ideas, suggestions, and opinions. Thanks to all. Now I need to ask for advise/recommendations. I have searched this site as well as vansairforce.net and haven=A2t found a lot of information posted pertaining to insulation &/or soundproofing the RV-10. Is anyone other th an Deems & Curtis soundproofing their aircraft? I=A2m working on the fuse and am try ing to weigh the options, Pros vs. Cons. My thinking is that I will add somethi ng that is approved to deaden the noise. It's what is available that has me perplexed. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Sorry to delve off the panel discussion topic, but I need to think about installation before layin g the floors/side panels of the fuse. Specifically, I'm looking for materials lik e whats available from aircraft spruce and SoundExproducts. _http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/soundproofinstall.php_ (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/soundproofinstall.php) . And this link I copied from Curtis _http://www.soundexproducts.com/information.html_ (http://www.soundexproducts.com/information.html) Thanks John #40102 Jim "Scooter" McGrew _http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com .. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:09 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight Do you know how much the paint added to your wgt? Wayne Edgerton #40336 do not archive Time: 05:03:39 PM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: Re: empty weight N410MR EW 1,667. Interior and paint. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:08 AM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? I used Super Sound Proofing from Aircraft Spruce under the floor panels (mercy I'll have to drill out 10,000 pop rivets to inspect per one guru) from the baggage area to the firewall. Also put some behind the fuse side panels and on the aft side of the firewall. Noise level is real low (have not measured sound level). Mark N410MR >From: John Hurst >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? >Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:30:01 -0700 (PDT) > >I have been lurking on this group for months and appreciate Everyones >ideas, suggestions, and opinions. Thanks to all. > >Now I need to ask for advise/recommendations. I have searched this site as >well as vansairforce.net and havent found a lot of information posted >pertaining to insulation &/or soundproofing the RV-10. Is anyone other >than Deems & Curtis soundproofing their aircraft? Im working on the fuse >and am trying to weigh the options, Pros vs. Cons. My thinking is that I >will add something that is approved to deaden the noise. It's what is >available that has me perplexed. Any recommendations would be appreciated. >Sorry to delve off the panel discussion topic, but I need to think about >installation before laying the floors/side panels of the fuse. >Specifically, I'm looking for materials like whats available from aircraft >spruce and SoundExproducts. >http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/soundproofinstall.php. And >this link I copied from Curtis >http://www.soundexproducts.com/information.html > > >Thanks >John >#40102 _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:04 AM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight Wayne, I don't know but guessing paint may have added 20#. Mark N410MR >From: "Wayne Edgerton" >To: >Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight >Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 06:58:06 -0500 > >Do you know how much the paint added to your wgt? > >Wayne Edgerton #40336 > >do not archive > > Time: 05:03:39 PM PST US > From: "Mark Ritter" > Subject: Re: empty weight > > > N410MR EW 1,667. Interior and paint. > > _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:38 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? John, I fully sound proofed my plane. I haven't flown yet so I can't attest to the final results, but I think it should be very quite. If you knock on the side of my plane it's just a thud not the tin can sound you normally hear without soundproofing. I bought two types of material. One for the fire wall and the other for the remainder of the plane. It seems to be very high quality easy to install material. They come in a 27x48 sheet and have a silver outer shell looking like tin foil. They have a sticky back that you just remove the film after you've cut it and stick it onto the plane surface. Very easy to install. I'm having a custom interior guy do my interior and he also uses this same material. I purchased the insulation from Buckley Industries in Wichita, KS. http://buckleyind.com/ If I've got the numbers correct the firewall insulation sheet was part # 139675 and it cost $82.81 for the 27x48 sheet. The side body insulation # is 139679 and cost $76.64 for the sheet. I think it's a very good product, although a little pricy.. Wayne Edgerton #40336 DAR coming today if the weather holds out ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:23 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? Good luck with the DAR, let us know how it turns out. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:19 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? John, I fully sound proofed my plane. I haven't flown yet so I can't attest to the final results, but I think it should be very quite. If you knock on the side of my plane it's just a thud not the tin can sound you normally hear without soundproofing. I bought two types of material. One for the fire wall and the other for the remainder of the plane. It seems to be very high quality easy to install material. They come in a 27x48 sheet and have a silver outer shell looking like tin foil. They have a sticky back that you just remove the film after you've cut it and stick it onto the plane surface. Very easy to install. I'm having a custom interior guy do my interior and he also uses this same material. I purchased the insulation from Buckley Industries in Wichita, KS. http://buckleyind.com/ If I've got the numbers correct the firewall insulation sheet was part # 139675 and it cost $82.81 for the 27x48 sheet. The side body insulation # is 139679 and cost $76.64 for the sheet. I think it's a very good product, although a little pricy.. Wayne Edgerton #40336 DAR coming today if the weather holds out ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:47 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery Hello Dave, I had LASIK surgery about three years ago and it has worked out great. I now have 20/15 vision. Because of my maturing age :>} they told me that if I had the surgery I would have to wear glasses to read, which didn't sound like a very good deal to me. I told the surgeon that and he said there is a procedure that could possible make it that I wouldn't need to wear glasses. It's called Mono Vision and he said that many people aren't able to adapt to it, but if I wasn't able to adapt they could complete the process and then I would wear reading glasses. The surgeon had Mono Vision for himself and I had that done and it worked out ok for me. My former partner had it and he wasn't able to adapt to it. The mono vision is where the dominant eye is corrected for your long vision and the other eye is made for short vision. If someone is younger, I don't know for sure, but mid forty's or under, then they probably wouldn't have to worry about the Mono Vision option in that the eye is still somewhat flexible. But anyway I've never been unhappy that I had it done. When I took my flight physical he said I had to wear glasses to fly because my non dominant eye can't see long distances. But if I understand it correctly I can apply to the FAA and then go up with an examiner to show I have depth perception with the surgery and they will wave the restriction, which I plan on doing. Wayne Edgerton #40336 Time: 07:19:40 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: PRK surgery Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and how do you like the results for flying? I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put this question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not appropriate for this list, just let it die. Thanks. Dave Leikam 40496 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:09 AM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery I'll chime in... I had PRK because that's what the military is/was doing at the time. It worked great, and I love the results. That said, healing was painful and I did have dry eyes for about six months. I'd still do it again, although I'd think about the Intralase if I was doing it now. At the time, getting it done for free was a big bonus. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 Dave Leikam wrote: > Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and how > do you like the results for flying? > I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put > this question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not > appropriate for this list, just let it die. > > Thanks. > > Dave Leikam > 40496 > > do not archive > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:18 AM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery Just keep in mind that the FAA is very skeptical about monovision because it was a contributing factor in an airline crash at La Guardia awhile back. In that case I think it was the copilot flying using monovision contact lenses with no specific approval and he apparently didn't have sufficient depth perception and landed plane short of the runway. (a very bad thing at that airport/runway) > But anyway I've never been unhappy that I had it done. When I took my flight physical he said I had to wear glasses to fly because my non dominant eye can't see long distances. But if I understand it correctly I can apply to the FAA and then go up with an examiner to show I have depth perception with the surgery and they will wave the restriction, which I plan on doing. > > Wayne Edgerton #40336 > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:55 AM PST US From: "Rob Kermanj" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Gas leak It is a Locktite product perhaps I said 290 and meant 260. I am traveling and do not have the exact information with me but i know it is a Loctite product. On 5/27/07, orchidman wrote: > > > apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote: > > Your friendly NAPA or Autozone, etc. auto parts store, in their > > (aircraft) sealant's area. Right along with their Form a gasket, > > Permatex #2 & #3, epoxies, etc. > > I found it in the aircraft supply section of Autozone. Previously in this thread, it was referenced as 'Loctite 290' but all I found was 'Permatex' and their number was PX # 29000. It is labeled 'Threadlocker Green' and 'Penetrating Formula' so I am sure it is the correct item. > The good news is that today I tested both tanks and they got a green light, no bubbles detected. This last week I had been baloon testing and they were going down at a VERY slow rate which I attribute to the fact that you blow up a baloon, tie it off and it will still go down over the course of a couple days. So to go the extra mile, I soaped up the tanks and I am a happy camper [Laughing] > Gary > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115110#115110 > > -- Rob Kermanj ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:14 AM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Gas leak Permatex markets Locktite these days, and 290 is the correct number. On 5/28/07, Rob Kermanj wrote: > > It is a Locktite product perhaps I said 290 and meant 260. I am > traveling and do not have the exact information with me but i know it > is a Loctite product. > > On 5/27/07, orchidman wrote: > > > > > > apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > Your friendly NAPA or Autozone, etc. auto parts store, in their > > > (aircraft) sealant's area. Right along with their Form a gasket, > > > Permatex #2 & #3, epoxies, etc. > > > > I found it in the aircraft supply section of Autozone. Previously in this thread, it was referenced as 'Loctite 290' but all I found was 'Permatex' and their number was PX # 29000. It is labeled 'Threadlocker Green' and 'Penetrating Formula' so I am sure it is the correct item. > > The good news is that today I tested both tanks and they got a green light, no bubbles detected. This last week I had been baloon testing and they were going down at a VERY slow rate which I attribute to the fact that you blow up a baloon, tie it off and it will still go down over the course of a couple days. So to go the extra mile, I soaped up the tanks and I am a happy camper [Laughing] > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115110#115110 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rob Kermanj > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:12 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? From: evmeg@snowcrest.net If you want the approved aircraft stuff the place to start is a company called E.A.R. Quite expensive though. http://www.earaircraft.com/ I went the hot rod route and used a product from another company called b-quiet in Canada. Much cheaper and the ansi tests seem to have it working better than any other. It is a sticky butle rubber with a layer of dead soft aluminum on the outside. See it at the following link. http://www.b-quiet.com/ I bought the bquiet ultimate in a 50 foot roll and used it up....will need another to do the whole inside cabin. Cheers.. Evan > >>From: John Hurst >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? >>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:30:01 -0700 (PDT) >> >>I have been lurking on this group for months and appreciate Everyones >>ideas, suggestions, and opinions. Thanks to all. >> >>Now I need to ask for advise/recommendations. I have searched this site >> as >>well as vansairforce.net and havent found a lot of information posted >>pertaining to insulation &/or soundproofing the RV-10. Is anyone other >>than Deems & Curtis soundproofing their aircraft? Im working on the fuse >>and am trying to weigh the options, Pros vs. Cons. My thinking is that I >>will add something that is approved to deaden the noise. It's what is >>available that has me perplexed. Any recommendations would be >> appreciated. >>Sorry to delve off the panel discussion topic, but I need to think about >>installation before laying the floors/side panels of the fuse. >>Specifically, I'm looking for materials like whats available from >> aircraft >>spruce and SoundExproducts. >>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/soundproofinstall.php. And >>this link I copied from Curtis >>http://www.soundexproducts.com/information.html >> >> >>Thanks >>John >>#40102 > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live > Hotmail. > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. http://www.snowcrest.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:52 AM PST US From: "jdalton77" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? Dean, What thicknesses did you use? Jeff Wings Started ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Edgerton To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sound proofing the 10 ? John, I fully sound proofed my plane. I haven't flown yet so I can't attest to the final results, but I think it should be very quite. If you knock on the side of my plane it's just a thud not the tin can sound you normally hear without soundproofing. I bought two types of material. One for the fire wall and the other for the remainder of the plane. It seems to be very high quality easy to install material. They come in a 27x48 sheet and have a silver outer shell looking like tin foil. They have a sticky back that you just remove the film after you've cut it and stick it onto the plane surface. Very easy to install. I'm having a custom interior guy do my interior and he also uses this same material. I purchased the insulation from Buckley Industries in Wichita, KS. http://buckleyind.com/ If I've got the numbers correct the firewall insulation sheet was part # 139675 and it cost $82.81 for the 27x48 sheet. The side body insulation # is 139679 and cost $76.64 for the sheet. I think it's a very good product, although a little pricy.. Wayne Edgerton #40336 DAR coming today if the weather holds out ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:08 AM PST US From: Indran Chelvanayagam Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery As a practicing ophthalmologist, a pilot, and RV10 builder, I'd like to add a few data points to the LASIK/PRK discussion. Firstly, the procedure is classified as a cosmetic procedure - ie surgery on a previously healthy body part. Even the medical indemnity insurance companies classify LASIK/PRK surgeons in the same category as cosmetic plastic surgeons. The concept of best corrected visual acuity (BCVA) needs to be brought up - the best achievable vision with spectacle correction. While people do see an amazing increase in uncorrected visual acuity (UCVA), the fact is that BCVA stays the same or drops one line. In addition, there is a definite decrease in contrast sensitivity after the procedure (think IFR approach to minima in haze/smoke/cloud). Other symptoms like glare and haloes at night do occur in a small but significant proportion of patients. These facts are all well supported by multiple studies. What this means is that your best potential vision deceases slightly after surgery. Thirdly, the lack of long-term followup studies, particularly for LASIK. The eye can be considered as a floppy bag pumped up with fluid to maintain it's shape. The cornea is 500 microns thick on average, and stays generally the same shape for a lifetime, resisting deformation by intraocular pressure. LASIK involves cutting a flap (mechanically or with laser) of 120-160 microns thick, then removing up to 100 microns with the excimer laser. This can leave only 250 microns or so to last the rest of the patient's lifetime. Some of the earlier attempts with LASIK where even more corneal tissue was removed resulted in gradual bulging forward of the cornea (iatrogenic keretectasia) several years later. These unfortunate patients needed corneal transplantation. PRK has fewer of these biomechanical concerns as less corneal tissue is removed. Surgical risk needs to be brought up - while rare, it is possible to have a complication which can permanently damage vision post- operatively. The flap created by LASIK also never fully heals. It is very easy to lift a flap years after the initial procedure with a blunt instrument. There was a case described of a man who lost his flap during a game of basketball 4 years after LASIK when another player's fingernail grazed his eye at the wrong angle. The military does not use LASIK for combat pilots/paratroopers etc, because the flaps swell and distort at high altitude(>15,000ft), low humidity and low oxygen. Having said all of this, the procedure has very good results (although not perfect). The outcome can be a life-changing event for someone previously dependent on spectacles or contact lenses for every aspect of their daily life. I hope that by bringing up these points, anyone considering the procedure researches the issues thoroughly and comes to a fully informed decision. Indran On 28/05/2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave Leikam wrote: > Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and > how do you like the results for flying? > I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put > this question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is > not appropriate for this list, just let it die. > > Thanks. > > Dave Leikam > 40496 > > do not archive > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:31 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery Indran gave some excellent info there. My doc did warn me about the possibilities, and there are people who have things go wrong. Even when they quote 95% success rates, that's still quite a few people left with issues. Just on the below note though... From what I was told, the Intralase procedure I mentioned is an improvement from the blade just because of the flap issue. Instead of cutting the flap, they use a laser to explode little bubbles uniformly at a certain depth, creating a flap that can be lifted. It's this non-razor-cut flap that is supposed to help it heal quicker and firmer to the cornea. They called it kind of a "velcro flap" effect. I have absolutely zero first-hand medical knowledge that qualifies me to give any more than my personal results, but basically, I had been in twice for lasik and decided against it after further contemplation, until I got to learn about custom correction with Intralase and then took the plunge. Sorry to be going on off-topic, but Indran's info was fantastic and the thread will probably die off soon anyway. Tim do not archive Indran Chelvanayagam wrote: > > The flap created by LASIK also never fully heals. It is very easy to > lift a flap years after the initial procedure with a blunt instrument. > There was a case described of a man who lost his flap during a game of > basketball 4 years after LASIK when another player's fingernail grazed > his eye at the wrong angle. The military does not use LASIK for combat > pilots/paratroopers etc, because the flaps swell and distort at high > altitude(>15,000ft), low humidity and low oxygen. > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:04 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery I had Lasik done (about 12 years ago). I went from having to wear corrective lenses for far vision to using reading glasses. Pros - My age (52) would require reading glasses anyway but I get by with cheap Walmart glasses (multiple sets) left in places where I use them, home office, car, airplane. My distant vision is now 20/15 and I can use non prescription sunglasses. cons - Yes I did have night vision halo's for about 8 months after the surgery. i do notice some problems right at twilight and dim lighting conditions. Nothing major. My medical still requires that I carry glasses, so no difference there. As a point of reference, I think the Naval Academy is now doing all midshipmen in an effort to get more potential pilot candidates. I will have to check with my daughter on that. Jim C 40192 Finishing Kit. =========================================================== From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: RV10-List: PRK surgery Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and how do you like the results for flying? I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put this question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not appropriate for this list, just let it die. Thanks. Dave Leikam 40496 do not archive =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:45 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display From: "Chris Johnston" I also wanted entertainment for nervous or bored passengers - and some buttons that they are allowed to push :)... i spec'd it out a couple different ways, so i could change my mind a few more times based on my mood that day... lightest weight/best bang for the buck: headrest style monitor with a video ipod providing all the entertainment. this provides more music and movies than you'll ever have time to play while flying, and ends up being really lightweight. car stereos that play dvds are pretty heavy for a couple reasons - the dvd motor and transport, and also the amplifiers in the unit. remember that car stereos are meant to supply approprate power to drive speakers directly, something that we in the airplane building business aren't interested in. with the ipod weighing 5.5 oz and a plane jane video monitor like this - http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15 966 you come in pretty lightweight. the pop-up dash monitors like this one: http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store _Code=MV&Product_Code=ID7169 are nice because they get out of the way when you're not using them, but you get a bit of a weight penalty from the motor. there's also some more elegant solutions for this type of setup, but then you start a little more weight, and also cost. for those interested, check this out: http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product_acc.php?model=KCE-415i this is an interface that works with ipod, charges the unit, and allows you to control the ipod from a touch screen monitor. the monitor that works with it is a bit spendy, but i bet it looks amazing. using the ipod for video is a pretty sweet solution, and there's some great software out there thats FREE to rip your DVD movies and stick em on the ipod. and when you get to where you're going you have your ipod with you. cool. i also looked around at dvd changers that have all the bells and whistles. i bought one that either will go in the airplane or my girlfriend's car. haven't quite decided yet. the cool thing about it is that it's got interfaces for both sirius and xm, a 6 disc dvd changer, ipod controller, external video inputs, and i think it'll toast a pop-tart. it is heavy though... then there's the 1/2 din stand-alone dvd/cd/mp3 player that is tiny and lightweight, and that coupled with any stand-alone screen would provide hours of entertainment, be very lightweight, and could be done pretty cheaply. something like this: http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store _Code=MV&Product_Code=DV-180 i'm pretty sure this one isn't IFR certified though...:) can anybody guess what i do for a living? cj #40410 fuse/finishing www.perfectlygoodairplane.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper Sent: Sun 5/27/2007 9:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display Robin, I had the same concern and went with the cheapest pop-up DVD player I could find on eBay. Shipped from China but works great overall. It was a little heavy, although I didn't actually weigh it. The performance of the -10 is so great that a few extra pounds is well worth keeping the family happy. My wife measures trips in how many DVDs to take and loves it. The only drawback with the el cheapo is it doesn't like heat too much. If I leave it powered off until at cruise there's no issues, but on a warm day down low it will start to skip and go stupid so I'm working on better cooling air for it. Marcus _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display RV-10 list, Let me preface this post with the fact that I have a nervous flying wife & daughter that need a distraction while traveling in general aviation. I was planning on including a 7" DVD pop-up display (with XM, iPod, CD etc.) on my -10 panel plus two LCD displays in the headrests. The DVD I ordered a nice 1 din unit at a good price on ebay ($329.00 pop up unit only, no rear LCD's) When it arrived it was MUCH heavier than I anticipated. I assumed that they would all be about the same weight (3-5 lbs.) so I didn't do a lot of research. My stout little unit weighs in at 9.50 lbs before I add the rear displays. I see a few units that are 5-6 lbs but they are 2.5 times more expensive. I was hoping to avoid lap dvd players or laptops so the pax can all have the same dvd experience and at the same time avoid all the extra loose hardware and chargers flying around the cabin in the case of a unscheduled landing. I would appreciate any suggestions as long as they don't include finding a way to get the family into flying. I am sure when we start doing real x-country trips on a more regular basis they will naturally (and slowly) become more comfortable with GA travel. Thanks in advance, Robin RV-4 Sold RV-6A Fly RV-10 parts, parts, parts ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:50 PM PST US From: "RV_10" Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display Chris, That is fantastic. Thank you, John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2007 3:34 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display I also wanted entertainment for nervous or bored passengers - and some buttons that they are allowed to push :)... i spec'd it out a couple different ways, so i could change my mind a few more times based on my mood that day... lightest weight/best bang for the buck: headrest style monitor with a video ipod providing all the entertainment. this provides more music and movies than you'll ever have time to play while flying, and ends up being really lightweight. car stereos that play dvds are pretty heavy for a couple reasons - the dvd motor and transport, and also the amplifiers in the unit. remember that car stereos are meant to supply approprate power to drive speakers directly, something that we in the airplane building business aren't interested in. with the ipod weighing 5.5 oz and a plane jane video monitor like this - http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15966 you come in pretty lightweight. the pop-up dash monitors like this one: http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code =MV&Product_Code=ID7169 are nice because they get out of the way when you're not using them, but you get a bit of a weight penalty from the motor. there's also some more elegant solutions for this type of setup, but then you start a little more weight, and also cost. for those interested, check this out: http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product_acc.php?model=KCE-415i this is an interface that works with ipod, charges the unit, and allows you to control the ipod from a touch screen monitor. the monitor that works with it is a bit spendy, but i bet it looks amazing. using the ipod for video is a pretty sweet solution, and there's some great software out there thats FREE to rip your DVD movies and stick em on the ipod. and when you get to where you're going you have your ipod with you. cool. i also looked around at dvd changers that have all the bells and whistles. i bought one that either will go in the airplane or my girlfriend's car. haven't quite decided yet. the cool thing about it is that it's got interfaces for both sirius and xm, a 6 disc dvd changer, ipod controller, external video inputs, and i think it'll toast a pop-tart. it is heavy though... then there's the 1/2 din stand-alone dvd/cd/mp3 player that is tiny and lightweight, and that coupled with any stand-alone screen would provide hours of entertainment, be very lightweight, and could be done pretty cheaply. something like this: http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code =MV&Product_Code=DV-180 i'm pretty sure this one isn't IFR certified though...:) can anybody guess what i do for a living? cj #40410 fuse/finishing www.perfectlygoodairplane.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper Sent: Sun 5/27/2007 9:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display Robin, I had the same concern and went with the cheapest pop-up DVD player I could find on eBay. Shipped from China but works great overall. It was a little heavy, although I didn't actually weigh it. The performance of the -10 is so great that a few extra pounds is well worth keeping the family happy. My wife measures trips in how many DVDs to take and loves it. The only drawback with the el cheapo is it doesn't like heat too much. If I leave it powered off until at cruise there's no issues, but on a warm day down low it will start to skip and go stupid so I'm working on better cooling air for it. Marcus _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display RV-10 list, Let me preface this post with the fact that I have a nervous flying wife & daughter that need a distraction while traveling in general aviation. I was planning on including a 7" DVD pop-up display (with XM, iPod, CD etc.) on my -10 panel plus two LCD displays in the headrests. The DVD I ordered a nice 1 din unit at a good price on ebay ($329.00 pop up unit only, no rear LCD's) When it arrived it was MUCH heavier than I anticipated. I assumed that they would all be about the same weight (3-5 lbs.) so I didn't do a lot of research. My stout little unit weighs in at 9.50 lbs before I add the rear displays. I see a few units that are 5-6 lbs but they are 2.5 times more expensive. I was hoping to avoid lap dvd players or laptops so the pax can all have the same dvd experience and at the same time avoid all the extra loose hardware and chargers flying around the cabin in the case of a unscheduled landing. I would appreciate any suggestions as long as they don't include finding a way to get the family into flying. I am sure when we start doing real x-country trips on a more regular basis they will naturally (and slowly) become more comfortable with GA travel. Thanks in advance, Robin RV-4 Sold RV-6A Fly RV-10 parts, parts, parts ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:01 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display Another good source for video components is: http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?WebPage_ID=41 Now we just have to wait for somebody to put something like this in the back seats for the "real" theater sensation: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=299-028 :^) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV_10 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display Chris, That is fantastic. Thank you, John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2007 3:34 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display I also wanted entertainment for nervous or bored passengers - and some buttons that they are allowed to push :)... i spec'd it out a couple different ways, so i could change my mind a few more times based on my mood that day... lightest weight/best bang for the buck: headrest style monitor with a video ipod providing all the entertainment. this provides more music and movies than you'll ever have time to play while flying, and ends up being really lightweight. car stereos that play dvds are pretty heavy for a couple reasons - the dvd motor and transport, and also the amplifiers in the unit. remember that car stereos are meant to supply approprate power to drive speakers directly, something that we in the airplane building business aren't interested in. with the ipod weighing 5.5 oz and a plane jane video monitor like this - http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15966 you come in pretty lightweight. the pop-up dash monitors like this one: http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code =MV&Product_Code=ID7169 are nice because they get out of the way when you're not using them, but you get a bit of a weight penalty from the motor. there's also some more elegant solutions for this type of setup, but then you start a little more weight, and also cost. for those interested, check this out: http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product_acc.php?model=KCE-415i this is an interface that works with ipod, charges the unit, and allows you to control the ipod from a touch screen monitor. the monitor that works with it is a bit spendy, but i bet it looks amazing. using the ipod for video is a pretty sweet solution, and there's some great software out there thats FREE to rip your DVD movies and stick em on the ipod. and when you get to where you're going you have your ipod with you. cool. i also looked around at dvd changers that have all the bells and whistles. i bought one that either will go in the airplane or my girlfriend's car. haven't quite decided yet. the cool thing about it is that it's got interfaces for both sirius and xm, a 6 disc dvd changer, ipod controller, external video inputs, and i think it'll toast a pop-tart. it is heavy though... then there's the 1/2 din stand-alone dvd/cd/mp3 player that is tiny and lightweight, and that coupled with any stand-alone screen would provide hours of entertainment, be very lightweight, and could be done pretty cheaply. something like this: http://www.mobilevideo4less.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code =MV&Product_Code=DV-180 i'm pretty sure this one isn't IFR certified though...:) can anybody guess what i do for a living? cj #40410 fuse/finishing www.perfectlygoodairplane.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper Sent: Sun 5/27/2007 9:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display Robin, I had the same concern and went with the cheapest pop-up DVD player I could find on eBay. Shipped from China but works great overall. It was a little heavy, although I didn't actually weigh it. The performance of the -10 is so great that a few extra pounds is well worth keeping the family happy. My wife measures trips in how many DVDs to take and loves it. The only drawback with the el cheapo is it doesn't like heat too much. If I leave it powered off until at cruise there's no issues, but on a warm day down low it will start to skip and go stupid so I'm working on better cooling air for it. Marcus _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: RV10-List: DVD - Pop Up Display RV-10 list, Let me preface this post with the fact that I have a nervous flying wife & daughter that need a distraction while traveling in general aviation. I was planning on including a 7" DVD pop-up display (with XM, iPod, CD etc.) on my -10 panel plus two LCD displays in the headrests. The DVD I ordered a nice 1 din unit at a good price on ebay ($329.00 pop up unit only, no rear LCD's) When it arrived it was MUCH heavier than I anticipated. I assumed that they would all be about the same weight (3-5 lbs.) so I didn't do a lot of research. My stout little unit weighs in at 9.50 lbs before I add the rear displays. I see a few units that are 5-6 lbs but they are 2.5 times more expensive. I was hoping to avoid lap dvd players or laptops so the pax can all have the same dvd experience and at the same time avoid all the extra loose hardware and chargers flying around the cabin in the case of a unscheduled landing. I would appreciate any suggestions as long as they don't include finding a way to get the family into flying. I am sure when we start doing real x-country trips on a more regular basis they will naturally (and slowly) become more comfortable with GA travel. Thanks in advance, Robin RV-4 Sold RV-6A Fly RV-10 parts, parts, parts ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: PRK surgery From: "John W. Cox" Thank you and what a valuable post. You are confirming with clarity much of which I have heard muddled for the last five years. John C. ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Indran Chelvanayagam Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery As a practicing ophthalmologist, a pilot, and RV10 builder, I'd like to add a few data points to the LASIK/PRK discussion. Firstly, the procedure is classified as a cosmetic procedure - ie surgery on a previously healthy body part. Even the medical indemnity insurance companies classify LASIK/PRK surgeons in the same category as cosmetic plastic surgeons. The concept of best corrected visual acuity (BCVA) needs to be brought up - the best achievable vision with spectacle correction. While people do see an amazing increase in uncorrected visual acuity (UCVA), the fact is that BCVA stays the same or drops one line. In addition, there is a definite decrease in contrast sensitivity after the procedure (think IFR approach to minima in haze/smoke/cloud). Other symptoms like glare and haloes at night do occur in a small but significant proportion of patients. These facts are all well supported by multiple studies. What this means is that your best potential vision deceases slightly after surgery. Thirdly, the lack of long-term followup studies, particularly for LASIK. The eye can be considered as a floppy bag pumped up with fluid to maintain it's shape. The cornea is 500 microns thick on average, and stays generally the same shape for a lifetime, resisting deformation by intraocular pressure. LASIK involves cutting a flap (mechanically or with laser) of 120-160 microns thick, then removing up to 100 microns with the excimer laser. This can leave only 250 microns or so to last the rest of the patient's lifetime. Some of the earlier attempts with LASIK where even more corneal tissue was removed resulted in gradual bulging forward of the cornea (iatrogenic keretectasia) several years later. These unfortunate patients needed corneal transplantation. PRK has fewer of these biomechanical concerns as less corneal tissue is removed. Surgical risk needs to be brought up - while rare, it is possible to have a complication which can permanently damage vision post-operatively. The flap created by LASIK also never fully heals. It is very easy to lift a flap years after the initial procedure with a blunt instrument. There was a case described of a man who lost his flap during a game of basketball 4 years after LASIK when another player's fingernail grazed his eye at the wrong angle. The military does not use LASIK for combat pilots/paratroopers etc, because the flaps swell and distort at high altitude(>15,000ft), low humidity and low oxygen. Having said all of this, the procedure has very good results (although not perfect). The outcome can be a life-changing event for someone previously dependent on spectacles or contact lenses for every aspect of their daily life. I hope that by bringing up these points, anyone considering the procedure researches the issues thoroughly and comes to a fully informed decision. Indran On 28/05/2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave Leikam wrote: Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and how do you like the results for flying? I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put this question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not appropriate for this list, just let it die. Thanks. Dave Leikam 40496 do not archive - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:10 PM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: RV10-List: DAR Inspection Well I had my DAR inspection today and luckily for me it went through without a hitch. He found a few little items but nothing of any consequence. It feels great to be past that junture and I'm ready to move onto the fly off stage. I had a couple of other 10 builders and a 7 builder stop by the hangar during the inspection to take notes for when they are ready :>} Thanks to all of you who made those great posts or answered some of my questions along the way. Without all you little people I wouldn't be here today :>} Oops, sorry I got carried away with my acceptance speech :>} I've attached a few pictures from today. The DAR is Mel Asberry from Farmersville, TX, he's the one with a beard, and he's a really thorough but nice guy. He made it an enjoyable inspection day. Wayne Edgerton #40336 ready to leave terra firma soon ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:44 PM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight Empty Weight - 1680 lbs. (I still need to add my headliner and dash cover.) Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: John W. Cox Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:33:46 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: empty weight This is a request for others of the 80 RV-10s to post their empty weight for those of us still building. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight Tim 1,685 Randy 1,625 Vic 1,665 Chuck 1,615 Rob 1,558 Chuck and Vic weight from Rob, looks like you have the light weight machine. Which prop? With or without wheel pants? Larry Rosen http://lrosen.nerv10.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:22 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Gas leak From: "orchidman" flysrv10(at)gmail.com wrote: > It is a Locktite product perhaps I said 290 and meant 260. I am > traveling and do not have the exact information with me but i know it > is a Loctite product. > As it turns out, I didn't need it but I always like having an item like that in my tool kit. I would be inerested in knowing if I have an acceptable substitute. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N410GB reserved) do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115279#115279 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:09 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: My transition training experience From: "orchidman" ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote: > For those interested I posted a writeup on my TT with Mike Seager on > Vansairfoce.net under RV10 posts. > > Dean 40449 In your first posting at Vansairforce.net, you said 'I also noticed how much better qualilty the fiberglass Cabin tops are now vs the one we received.' I will be ordering my Fuselage and finishing kits soon and was wondering if you could expand on how the quality has improved from when you received your top to what you saw there now? -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N410GB reserved) do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115283#115283 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:04 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: DAR Inspection Congrats! When do you expect to have your first flight? Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: DAR Inspection Well I had my DAR inspection today and luckily for me it went through without a hitch. He found a few little items but nothing of any consequence. It feels great to be past that junture and I'm ready to move onto the fly off stage. I had a couple of other 10 builders and a 7 builder stop by the hangar during the inspection to take notes for when they are ready :>} Thanks to all of you who made those great posts or answered some of my questions along the way. Without all you little people I wouldn't be here today :>} Oops, sorry I got carried away with my acceptance speech :>} I've attached a few pictures from today. The DAR is Mel Asberry from Farmersville, TX, he's the one with a beard, and he's a really thorough but nice guy. He made it an enjoyable inspection day. Wayne Edgerton #40336 ready to leave terra firma soon ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:55 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Bench seat in rear possible? From: "n277dl" Hey folks, Thinking of being a repeat offender. I've built and fly a -7A. Have about 500 hours on it in since 4-04. Now I'm wanting extra seating so thinking seriously about the -10. My question is the possibility of having a baby carrier strapped down in the back, along with a couple moms. My youngest daughter is getting married Saturday and my son was married a year ago. Fast forward 2-5 years and we all know what usually happens next in life. I know that 90%+ of the time, seating for 4 adults will be more than enough but I want the ability to have that 5th seat for that once or twice a year opportunity. So, anyone been there done that... seat belts for 5??? -------- Doug RV7A flying ~500hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115296#115296 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:05 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: DAR Inspection Hey Wayne, How about some interior pics for us getting ready for interiors!! Rick S. 40185 do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:10 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery Thanks for all the info. You guys are great! I have been on the fence about the surgery for a long time. My wife had LASIK done and says the only thing she regrets is that she waited so long. I'm 41 and see 20/15 with contacts. It's really hard to justify fixing something which doesn't seem broke. I have a mapping appointment on Thursday. Thanks again. Dave Leikam 40496 QB wings do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10: Subject: Re: RV10-List: PRK surgery > > I had Lasik done (about 12 years ago). I went from having to wear > corrective lenses for far vision to using reading glasses. > > Pros - My age (52) would require reading glasses anyway but I get by with > cheap Walmart glasses (multiple sets) left in places where I use them, > home office, car, airplane. My distant vision is now 20/15 and I can use > non prescription sunglasses. > > cons - Yes I did have night vision halo's for about 8 months after the > surgery. i do notice some problems right at twilight and dim lighting > conditions. Nothing major. > > My medical still requires that I carry glasses, so no difference there. > > As a point of reference, I think the Naval Academy is now doing all > midshipmen in an effort to get more potential pilot candidates. I will > have to check with my daughter on that. > > Jim C > 40192 > Finishing Kit. > > =========================================================== > From: "Dave Leikam" > Date: 2007/05/27 Sun PM 11:19:12 EDT > To: "matronics" > Subject: RV10-List: PRK surgery > > Have any of the pilots on this list had PRK surgery or LASIK and how do > you like the results for flying? > I know this is way off the building subject but I would like to put this > question out to a large number of pilots. If you feel it is not > appropriate for this list, just let it die. > > Thanks. > > Dave Leikam > 40496 > > do not archive > =========================================================== > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:31 PM PST US From: "Mark Sutherland" Subject: RV10-List: 611TT First Flight I decided to take up my RV-10 today for her first flight (about 20 minutes) and as you can see I safely returned to earth. Builder number 40292, I have been working on her 2.5 years and received DAR approval this week. Airplane few great and was very quiet, cool and fast. It took me three tries to land. I could not get her to slow down. I am use to my bonanza, when you drop the gear and flaps she is coming down fast. When I pulled power and dropped the flaps, the RV-10 wanted to keep flying. I have a few minor electrical issues to resolve but everything else worked great. Some pictures are attached. Mark Sutherland 325-646-4156 mark@tintopranch.com www.tintopranch.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:54 PM PST US From: "ddddsp1@juno.com" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: My transition training experience Gary, The tops are more uniform around the windows and door opening then earlier models. Several areas needed to be built up to match the depth around the doors and windows on early tops. Some tops even had VOIDS in them that need to be refilled. It appeared if the mold had a bad spot they just poured straight epoxy into the hole to fix it. I did not see any of that on the ones in the factory now. Dean 40449 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:13 PM PST US From: "ddddsp1@juno.com" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Gas leak How long do you have to leave the loctite sit before it is cured? Dean ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:35 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: DAR Inspection Well Done Wayne!!!!! Please keep us updated on the stage 1. I don't recall too may posts about things that happen during fly-off. I'm sure they happen based on what I hear from guys in EAA chpt mtgs., I think we could all learn from hearing about them. Deems Davis # 406 Baffling / Plenum / Engine stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:27 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: 611TT First Flight Wow, you guys are starting to pop up with regularity now!!!! Congratulations !!! Please keep us updated on you fly-off. Deems Davis # 406 Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:38 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bench seat in rear possible? Doug, congrats on the family stuff, I'm sure you're happy to have all of that activity happening. I don't want to discourage you, but you'll find it hard to actually consider getting 5 "seats" out of the -10 that would fit 2 moms plus an actual baby carrier in the back. Those carriers take up quite a bit of room. You can get 3 kids across the back if you try...but it's just a width thing. As far as kits go though, you're no worse off than in any other normal 4-seater, so it's not any more exclude-able than many many other planes. If it fits your mission 90%+ of the time, you're probably fine considering it. The best advice for your question is to go find the nearest RV-10 and bring a couple people with you and test it out in the rear. Then you'll know exactly how much room there is. Even with a bench seat though, you have to have room for the seat belt attach points and all the various things that prevent it from being easy to just squeeze in another seat. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive n277dl wrote: > > Hey folks, Thinking of being a repeat offender. I've built and fly a > -7A. Have about 500 hours on it in since 4-04. Now I'm wanting > extra seating so thinking seriously about the -10. > > My question is the possibility of having a baby carrier strapped down > in the back, along with a couple moms. My youngest daughter is > getting married Saturday and my son was married a year ago. Fast > forward 2-5 years and we all know what usually happens next in life. > > > I know that 90%+ of the time, seating for 4 adults will be more than > enough but I want the ability to have that 5th seat for that once or > twice a year opportunity. > > So, anyone been there done that... seat belts for 5??? > > -------- Doug RV7A flying ~500hrs > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115296#115296 > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:54 PM PST US From: kilopapa@antelecom.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: 611TT First Flight Nice job! And nice landing strip. Kevin 40494 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:47 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Avidyne EFIS From: Someone asked about Avidyne Entegra EFIS for experimentals. They announced that at Sun N Fun. I don't know what their availability or pricing would be. Interestingly enough, on one hand, you'd get a few less features than with some "experimental" EFIS systems (no HITs & no synthetic vision yet), but you do get an "IFR EFIS" to use a popular term. I would classify it that way, since it is TSO certified for all of the appropriate flight instruments. Has been through a sh**-load of environmental testing, too. TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend Aurora Flight Sciences tdt@aurora.aero 617-401-2522 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:47 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: On board radar From: Russ: I concur that you need to keep a clear separation between satellite weather and "on-board radar". As others have pointed out, there is a several-minute delay for NEXRAD data to be collected, assembled, sent over the satellite, and received. This is a lot different from on-board radar that gives an instant view of the weather ahead. While working on XM weather when I was at Avidyne, that was a big concern for us and the FAA - namely, that someone is going to try and use XM (or WSI) NEXRAD information to "thread the needle" between weather cells and they get whacked because their information is a few minutes old. Certainly use XM to avoid weather, but still give it a wide berth. Don't think you can snake your way through the middle and save 10 minutes . . . TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend Aurora Flight Sciences tdt@aurora.aero 617-401-2522 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.