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1. 04:41 AM - Re: More Tools (AirMike)
2. 06:30 AM - wingtip suggestions (Eric_Kallio)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: wingtip suggestions (Deems Davis)
4. 08:40 AM - Re: wingtip suggestions (Jae Chang)
5. 09:30 AM - Re: wingtip suggestions (Dave Lammers)
6. 01:18 PM - Door Guides/Pins (zackrv8)
7. 02:25 PM - Re: wingtip suggestions (Jesse Saint)
8. 02:29 PM - Re: wingtip suggestions (Eric_Kallio)
9. 03:22 PM - What to get with the wing kit recommendations (Pascal)
10. 03:38 PM - Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
11. 04:07 PM - Re: wingtip suggestions (David McNeill)
12. 04:39 PM - Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations (Ben Westfall)
13. 06:09 PM - Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations (Larry Rosen)
14. 06:28 PM - Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations (David Maib)
15. 06:36 PM - Tru-Trak roll servo (dmaib@mac.com)
16. 07:21 PM - Re: Tru-Trak roll servo (Jesse Saint)
17. 07:23 PM - GRT AHRS and Magnetometer mounting ()
18. 07:32 PM - Re: Tru-Trak roll servo (David Maib)
19. 08:25 PM - Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations (Dave Leikam)
20. 09:12 PM - Bob Nuckolls Seminar (Dave Leikam)
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| Subject: | wingtip suggestions |
I am finishing up the wings so I can start to inventory the fuse kit and am having
issues with the wingtips. The left wingtip is about 1/2 inch short but it
is straight so I can just lay-up and sand down successive layers of glass. The
right wingtip however is both 1/4 inch short and the trailing edge is about 3/8
inch below the rigged aileron and flap trailing edges. Hopefully I was successful
at attaching the pictures below. Has anyone had this same issue and came
up with a good way to fix it or any suggestions? Otherwise I will probably cut
off the end aft of the tip rib and layup a new trailing edge. Thanks.
Eric Kallio
40518 finishing wingtips and waiting to inventory fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: wingtip suggestions |
Eric,
It's difficult to see from the pics attached, and pictures can sometimes
be deceptive. In the picture that looks outboard it appears that the
aileron may have a twist in it and that might account for some of the
misalignment. ? :-\
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: wingtip suggestions |
That was my first thought as well. is the aileron twisted or the wing tip?
jae
40533
www.jline.com/rv10
Deems Davis wrote:
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> Eric,
>
> It's difficult to see from the pics attached, and pictures can
> sometimes be deceptive. In the picture that looks outboard it appears
> that the aileron may have a twist in it and that might account for
> some of the misalignment. ? :-\
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff
> http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: wingtip suggestions |
Eric,
The following applies to your right (don't know about your left).
I just went through this last week.
Your holes are probably off just a tiny bit (mine were). My guess is
about a half the diameter of the hole. It doesn't take much.
Here is what I did.
Epoxy the holes closed. Sounds like a lot of work but takes about 10
minutes. (one day to harden)
Temporarily install the tip rib (with tape or something). This really
helps!
Now reinstall but this time be much more careful about alignment as you
cleco and drill. I used strap clamps.
It will work out for you just fine. No easy fix.
Good luck.
Dave Lammers
Eric_Kallio wrote:
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>I am finishing up the wings so I can start to inventory the fuse kit and am having
issues with the wingtips. The left wingtip is about 1/2 inch short but it
is straight so I can just lay-up and sand down successive layers of glass. The
right wingtip however is both 1/4 inch short and the trailing edge is about
3/8 inch below the rigged aileron and flap trailing edges. Hopefully I was successful
at attaching the pictures below. Has anyone had this same issue and came
up with a good way to fix it or any suggestions? Otherwise I will probably
cut off the end aft of the tip rib and layup a new trailing edge. Thanks.
>
>Eric Kallio
>40518 finishing wingtips and waiting to inventory fuselage
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| Subject: | Door Guides/Pins |
Dave has solved the magnetic pick-up problem for Van's door closed warning switch
using the door guides he makes. He inserted a magnet in the "bullet" of the
stainless steel door pin. This allows for the actuation of the magnetic pick-up
switch when mounted on the vertical intercostal.
Notice how the door pins do not extend pass the door edge. You will never scrape
your fuselage with this system! I've tried many times to close the door
with just the forward latch pin and have the aft pin not latch (as many RV10's
do, including Vans demonstrator). Can't happen. The door guides have a "funnel"
female shape so the door pins can guide in smoothly.
If the door only partially closes, the door handle cannot be closed because the
door pins hit the door guides! The door guides "rack" the door where it should
go when in the closed position. Very good safety feature along with the door
light switch.
Zack
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RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | wingtip suggestions |
The trailing edge of your wingtip can easily ride too high or too low if you
don't align it correctly before you drill the holes. Since the fiberglass
is not very thick and is thus not super-rigid, it can actually "twist"
around the radius of the leading edge, which will pull the trailing edge
either up or down accordingly. At least this is my experience. I have
usually seen that the tip is longer than needed, not shorter, but this could
easily be a modification of the mold or a different in the lay-up of the
glass. I agree that you should make sure your flap and aileron don't have a
twist (more likely in the flap), but the tip can run high or low depending
on how it is installed, independent of the aileron/flap rigging.
If you see that the wingtip is not right, then you may want to either
replace it or could probably find a way to re-glass your holes and redo
them. I personally like the hinge installation format as it makes it much
easier to install and remove as compared to 60+ screws, IMHO. Let me know
if this installation interests you and you can probably salvage the wingtip
if this even applies.
I hope this helps.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: RV10-List: wingtip suggestions
I am finishing up the wings so I can start to inventory the fuse kit and am
having issues with the wingtips. The left wingtip is about 1/2 inch short
but it is straight so I can just lay-up and sand down successive layers of
glass. The right wingtip however is both 1/4 inch short and the trailing
edge is about 3/8 inch below the rigged aileron and flap trailing edges.
Hopefully I was successful at attaching the pictures below. Has anyone had
this same issue and came up with a good way to fix it or any suggestions?
Otherwise I will probably cut off the end aft of the tip rib and layup a new
trailing edge. Thanks.
Eric Kallio
40518 finishing wingtips and waiting to inventory fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: wingtip suggestions |
Dave, I will try to align the rib again. The pics are deceiving a bit. I never
proclaimed to be a photographer. The aileron is straight as an arrow, picture
is a bit off center. A twisted aileron would have gone into the scrap metal pile.
I really had to wrestle with the wingtip to get it as close as it is. It has
a real good twist to it. I will keep trying to reset it and see what happens.
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| Subject: | What to get with the wing kit recommendations |
I looked in the archives and couldn't quite find what I should order
with the wings. I also looked at Tim's site and maybe missed this
somewhere.
-Should I buy the strobes and positions lights now while building the
wings?
-Should I get the options Van's offers? Float fuel sender units, landing
lights?
- Should I get anything else?
I would also like recommendations of places to get things and part
numbers/ links, etc... I know Deems rated the LED lights he got very
highly, he also has a link for it, however that site also says to buy
the power unit and position lights elsewhere. William Curtis has a link
to Strobes n more and I saw a kit for $159..
In summary I am looking for what people bought, the place and part
number and when they actually put them in the wings.
Thanks!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations |
I purchased everything from Van's with the wing kit: Aileron trim kit, Float
senders, landing lights, strobe light kits, flap positioning system. They
are all acceptable in my opinion and I am happy with them. Other options might
be more attractive for various reasons, but I have no specific complaints.
I installed the flap positioning system while I still had my fuselage in my
garage. The float senders and aileron trim need to be installed before hanging
the wings; but the landing lights and wing strobes were just about the last
thing I installed prior to DAR inspection (so you have plenty of time to
figure that out).
You might want to consider if you want a heated pitot (I used the Falcon
heated pitot and Gretz aero mount, both from Aircraft Spruce), and start
thinking how the installation will work out before you get to that point in wing
construction.
Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/3/2007 6:24:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv10builder@verizon.net writes:
I looked in the archives and couldn't quite find what I should order with
the wings. I also looked at Tim's site and maybe missed this somewhere.
-Should I buy the strobes and positions lights now while building the wings?
-Should I get the options Van's offers? Float fuel sender units, landing
lights?
- Should I get anything else?
I would also like recommendations of places to get things and part numbers/
links, etc... I know Deems rated the LED lights he got very highly, he also
has a link for it, however that site also says to buy the power unit and
position lights elsewhere. William Curtis has a link to Strobes n more and I saw
a
kit for $159..
In summary I am looking for what people bought, the place and part number
and when they actually put them in the wings.
Thanks!
Pascal
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
_http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew)
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| Subject: | wingtip suggestions |
Has anyone suggested heating the tip (heat gun) and pressuring it into
alignment until it cools?
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: wingtip suggestions
The trailing edge of your wingtip can easily ride too high or too low if you
don't align it correctly before you drill the holes. Since the fiberglass
is not very thick and is thus not super-rigid, it can actually "twist"
around the radius of the leading edge, which will pull the trailing edge
either up or down accordingly. At least this is my experience. I have
usually seen that the tip is longer than needed, not shorter, but this could
easily be a modification of the mold or a different in the lay-up of the
glass. I agree that you should make sure your flap and aileron don't have a
twist (more likely in the flap), but the tip can run high or low depending
on how it is installed, independent of the aileron/flap rigging.
If you see that the wingtip is not right, then you may want to either
replace it or could probably find a way to re-glass your holes and redo
them. I personally like the hinge installation format as it makes it much
easier to install and remove as compared to 60+ screws, IMHO. Let me know
if this installation interests you and you can probably salvage the wingtip
if this even applies.
I hope this helps.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: RV10-List: wingtip suggestions
I am finishing up the wings so I can start to inventory the fuse kit and am
having issues with the wingtips. The left wingtip is about 1/2 inch short
but it is straight so I can just lay-up and sand down successive layers of
glass. The right wingtip however is both 1/4 inch short and the trailing
edge is about 3/8 inch below the rigged aileron and flap trailing edges.
Hopefully I was successful at attaching the pictures below. Has anyone had
this same issue and came up with a good way to fix it or any suggestions?
Otherwise I will probably cut off the end aft of the tip rib and layup a new
trailing edge. Thanks.
Eric Kallio
40518 finishing wingtips and waiting to inventory fuselage
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| Subject: | What to get with the wing kit recommendations |
Pascal,
Here is what I purchased while working on the wings.
>From Van's
* Aileron trim
* Flap position system (don't need until way later in the fuse kit)
* Fuel sending units
* Conduit
* Whelen taillight w/strobe
* ELT/Strobe Power Supply mounting kit
* Strobe wiring kit
* Qty 2 HID Duckworks landing lights
>From Others
* LED Nav & Strobe lights from Jeff (same as Deems)
* XPAK604X strobe power supply from Strobes N More. The mounting
holes line up perfectly w/Van's ELT/Strobe mounting kit.
* Gretz pitot mount from gretzaero (haven't yet ordered my pitot still
trying to decide which one).
None of the stuff really would be required to have with the wing kit if you
didn't rivet the bottom skins and waited to close up the fuel tanks you
could add everything listed above at any time. That said though I would
recommend fitting the gretz when you are fitting the bottom skins. The
leading edge landing lights I thought would have been much tougher with the
leading edges installed. If you plan on running conduit through the wing
you want to oversize the holes in the ribs to fit the conduit where Van's
tells you to use the snap in bushings. Although possible to do while
riveted in place it is much easier when the ribs are not attached to any
structure. I drilled the inner rib holes slightly larger than the outside
two ribs as this made it easier to thread the conduit through but still held
tight on the ends. I didn't write down the sizes I used so having the
conduit early to gauge the hole sizes would be a plus.
I'm still on the fence regarding AOA but you might consider that with your
wing kit if you plan on it. I already installed the stall warning mechanism
from Van's but if I were to get an AOA system I doubt I would use Van's
supplied stall warning kit.
Ben Westfall
#40579 Fuse Kit - Firewall
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: What to get with the wing kit recommendations
I looked in the archives and couldn't quite find what I should order with
the wings. I also looked at Tim's site and maybe missed this somewhere.
-Should I buy the strobes and positions lights now while building the wings?
-Should I get the options Van's offers? Float fuel sender units, landing
lights?
- Should I get anything else?
I would also like recommendations of places to get things and part numbers/
links, etc... I know Deems rated the LED lights he got very highly, he also
has a link for it, however that site also says to buy the power unit and
position lights elsewhere. William Curtis has a link to Strobes n more and I
saw a kit for $159..
In summary I am looking for what people bought, the place and part number
and when they actually put them in the wings.
Thanks!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations |
Don't forget the proseal :-) It is the only thing you will need to
start. All the rest can wait.
The other items that others have mentioned will be needed more towards
the end of the wing build
Conduit (if you are going that route)
Gretz pitot mount (for a heated pitot tube)
Aileron trim
and then the lighting choices.
For landing lights I chose the the LoPresti boom beams that they
announced this year at S&F (the still do not have them listed on there
web site <http://www.speedmods.com>)
And for strobes and Nav lights I have the Whelen A650 style purchased
from vans. Whelen should be out with a 12 volt LED version with the
same form factor at OSH. I was told that the pricing will be very
similar to the A650. We could only hope.
Nav antennas in the wing tips (get them from Stein)
Marker beacon antenna, just a stripped piece of coax, in one of the tips
Pascal wrote:
> I looked in the archives and couldn't quite find what I should order
> with the wings. I also looked at Tim's site and maybe missed this
> somewhere.
> -Should I buy the strobes and positions lights now while building the
> wings?
> -Should I get the options Van's offers? Float fuel sender units,
> landing lights?
> - Should I get anything else?
>
> I would also like recommendations of places to get things and part
> numbers/ links, etc... I know Deems rated the LED lights he got very
> highly, he also has a link for it, however that site also says to buy
> the power unit and position lights elsewhere. William Curtis has a
> link to Strobes n more and I saw a kit for $159..
>
>
> In summary I am looking for what people bought, the place and part
> number and when they actually put them in the wings.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations |
On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Larry Rosen wrote:
For landing lights I chose the the LoPresti boom beams that they
announced this year at S&F (the still do not have them listed on
there web site
Larry, I signed up for the LoPresti boom beams at SNF too. I have not
received them yet and my credit card has not been charged. I emailed
them last week and asked what the status is, but have not gotten an
answer. Do you have any information?
David Maib
40559
Wings
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| Subject: | Tru-Trak roll servo |
I am looking at the Tru-Trak web site to get a drawing and installation instructions
for my roll servo. I don't have the servo here with me and wonder if any
one can tell me if the RV-10 roll servo is the B servo, the C servo, the D servo,
or the HB servo? :?
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| Subject: | Tru-Trak roll servo |
I am pretty sure it is the C servo.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tru-Trak roll servo
I am looking at the Tru-Trak web site to get a drawing and installation
instructions for my roll servo. I don't have the servo here with me and
wonder if any one can tell me if the RV-10 roll servo is the B servo, the C
servo, the D servo, or the HB servo? :?
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| Subject: | GRT AHRS and Magnetometer mounting |
I saw in the archives Bob Condrey mounted the magnetometer in the
tailcone and the AHRS on a shelf behind the instrument panel. I like
this arrangement but have a question...Bob how did you comply with the
+/- 1/2 degree pitch alignment between the two boxes? What is the 10's
level line? Any other pictures or comments appreciated.
Also wondered if anybody thinks it possible to mount a bent whip in the
tunnel between the rear seats without bothering flight controls. Perhaps
off to one side? I like having access to things down the road, I really
dislike these closed off for good areas.
THanks
Chris Lucas
#40072... skipping all around the fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Tru-Trak roll servo |
Thanks Jesse. They drawings all look similar, but dimensions vary a bit.
David Maib
On Jun 3, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
I am pretty sure it is the C servo.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@mac.com
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tru-Trak roll servo
I am looking at the Tru-Trak web site to get a drawing and installation
instructions for my roll servo. I don't have the servo here with me and
wonder if any one can tell me if the RV-10 roll servo is the B servo,
the C
servo, the D servo, or the HB servo? :?
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations |
I got all my lights from http://www.creativair.com/. HID landing
lights, LED nav lights, wingtip strobes and power supply.
Taillight/strobe from Vans. The HIDs, navs and wingtip strobes all fit
under the wingtip lens. I will be installing them soon. No cutting the
wing.
Dave Leikam
40496
QB wings
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From: Pascal
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: What to get with the wing kit recommendations
I looked in the archives and couldn't quite find what I should order
with the wings. I also looked at Tim's site and maybe missed this
somewhere.
-Should I buy the strobes and positions lights now while building the
wings?
-Should I get the options Van's offers? Float fuel sender units,
landing lights?
- Should I get anything else?
I would also like recommendations of places to get things and part
numbers/ links, etc... I know Deems rated the LED lights he got very
highly, he also has a link for it, however that site also says to buy
the power unit and position lights elsewhere. William Curtis has a link
to Strobes n more and I saw a kit for $159..
In summary I am looking for what people bought, the place and part
number and when they actually put them in the wings.
Thanks!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Bob Nuckolls Seminar |
I just finished a weekend Aeroelectric seminar with Bob Nuckolls at EAA
chapter 1158 in West Bend, WI. I can't say enough about this
experience. Bob's presentation and class were outstanding. Bob is the
kind of guy you would like to sit with for hours picking his brain. His
knowledge and experience with aviation electronics is vast. I recommend
this class to anyone able to attend. I came away with much more
confidence that I would be able to dive into my electrical system and do
a good job. He cleared up many myths and misconceptions about aircraft
wiring methods and backed up all his ideas very clearly. All his
methods are centered on safety, simplicity and also cost saving! I was
surprised at how many things I thought I should have in my system that
Bob showed us are not needed or could be done much simpler and for less
money and safer too! It is obvious that he really loves to pass on all
the experience he has gained and he is very good at it. Thanks Bob for
a great Seminar!
Oh yeah, Chapter 1158 has a beautiful facility and were great hosts for
this event. Thanks EAA 1158!
Dave Leikam
RV-10 40496
Muskego, WI
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