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1. 04:08 AM - Re: Door Guides/PinsDoor Guides/Pins (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Flared fitting sealants AN8xx- (Ralph E. Capen)
3. 07:05 AM - Re: Flared fitting sealants AN8xx- (linn Walters)
4. 07:53 AM - TruTrak 2-1/4 ADI...the rest of the story (Andrew Barker)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: TruTrak 2-1/4 ADI...the rest of the story (Jay Rowe)
6. 04:01 PM - Beware PTI paint from Aircraft Spruce (Aircraft Spruce)
7. 04:03 PM - Re: TruTrak 2-1/4 ADI...the rest of the story (Jesse Saint)
8. 07:28 PM - high profile (Robert Wright)
9. 08:12 PM - XM weather (David McNeill)
10. 08:38 PM - Re: Beware PTI paint from Aircraft Spruce (John Gonzalez)
11. 09:01 PM - Runaway trim (Dave Leikam)
12. 09:14 PM - Re: Runaway trim (McGANN, Ron)
13. 09:36 PM - Re: Runaway trim (Tim Olson)
14. 10:03 PM - Re: high profile (Tim C)
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| Subject: | Re: Door Guides/PinsDoor Guides/Pins |
Just as an FYI, I talked to Dave a couple of days ago, via e-mail but
I've talked to him on the phone also and he seems like a nice guy, about
his expected availability date of his door pins and handles and he told
me about 10 days.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: Flared fitting sealants AN8xx- |
My understanding is that with a flared fitting, the threads have no effect on the
integrity of the seal - they just provide the clamping force that holds the
male and female flared parts together...and that's where all of the sealing needs
to occur.
Spruce sells 'flared' thin aluminum gasket washers which are designed to assist
in the sealing of flared fittings.I have some for AN4 and AN6 sizes - I think
they're made for AN8 also.
For NPT fittings, fuellube, teflon paste, and even teflon tape (when 'properly'
applied) can be used as thread sealants.
-----Original Message-----
>From: orchidman <gary@wingscc.com>
>Sent: Jun 5, 2007 10:35 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Flared fitting sealants AN8xx-
>
>
>I am at the point where I am start to install some of my gas line fittings. Since
using teflon tape is a no-no, what are people using on the pipe fitting side?
Anything?
>When I pressure tested my fuel tanks the only leak I had was the AN816 on the
pipe thread side where it screws into the tank.
>Need to get it right the first time. I don't want to find any fitting leaks after
I have things buttoned up. [Shocked]
>
>--------
>Gary Blankenbiller
>RV10 - # 40674
>(N410GB reserved)
>do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116792#116792
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flared fitting sealants AN8xx- |
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
>My understanding is that with a flared fitting, the threads have no effect on
the integrity of the seal - they just provide the clamping force that holds the
male and female flared parts together...and that's where all of the sealing
needs to occur.
>
Very true!
>Spruce sells 'flared' thin aluminum gasket washers which are designed to assist
in the sealing of flared fittings.I have some for AN4 and AN6 sizes - I think
they're made for AN8 also.
>
If you flare the tubing correctly, you shouldn't need these 'washers'.
They just cover up poor workmanship. I lump these in with air/oil
separators! ;-)
>For NPT fittings, fuellube, teflon paste, and even teflon tape (when 'properly'
applied) can be used as thread sealants.
>
My thoughts too.
Linn
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>-----Original Message-----
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| Subject: | TruTrak 2-1/4 ADI...the rest of the story |
Well, I have been watching this thread with interest for a few da
ys. I might have even gotten a few phone calls warning me about
it. I know that you all know I monitor the list, so I typically
try to stay out of the discussions. But.since Jesse asked me a q
uestion directly, I must jump in! (Thanks Jesse!)
There are many reasons that the 2" ADI has been delayed as long a
s it has. One of the biggest is me. I personally did all of the
engineering and design of the product. Yes, we already had the
3" version, so schematics were obviously not a problem. Between
all of my normal daily duties, and engineering on other new produ
cts (yes, the EFIS is certainly one of the big ones) the 2" ADI s
imply kept getting bumped back. There are somewhere between 150
and 200 on order right now. We have a few units out right now fl
ying in different aircraft, just making double sure that we (read
"I") didn't do anything stupid. I am not writing this email to
convince you that what we have done is the best move, simply to i
nform you as to where we are. I will not fill you all full of BS
and say that you all are important to me, and I will do everythi
ng I can to make everything right.You all already know that. Wha
t we need to do is get the product out the door, and do it ASAP.
That is what we are working on, and that is what will happen as
soon as it can. It is out of engineering now; we have the produc
tion line setup, and are currently building pre-production units
for testing. I really do appreciate the patience that you all ha
ve had with me on this product. I agree with you all, making pro
mises and not keeping them is very detrimental to a company's rep
utation. I am only hopeful that we have learned from our promisi
ng a product that we can't deliver. I personally apologize to yo
u all.
Now, as to the EFIS, if I could control all of the mouths around
here that make promises, the delivery date would always have been
January 08. I hope that we are ahead of that, but I certainly c
an't make any promises of delivery before that. We are test flyi
ng pre-production units right now.
As Paul Harvey might say, "And now you know.the rest of the story
."
Andrew Barker
General Manager
TruTrak Flight Systems
"You build it...We fly it!"
Toll Free: 866-TRUTRAK
www.trutrakap.com
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak 2-1/4 ADI...the rest of the story |
Thanks for the response but we would all like to know WHEN (ASAP is way
too vague). A delivery date is especially important to those of us now
in the process of putting our panels together. Jay Rowe
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From: Andrew Barker
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak 2-1/4 ADI...the rest of the story
Well, I have been watching this thread with interest for a few days.
I might have even gotten a few phone calls warning me about it. I know
that you all know I monitor the list, so I typically try to stay out of
the discussions. But.since Jesse asked me a question directly, I must
jump in! (Thanks Jesse!)
There are many reasons that the 2" ADI has been delayed as long as it
has. One of the biggest is me. I personally did all of the engineering
and design of the product. Yes, we already had the 3" version, so
schematics were obviously not a problem. Between all of my normal daily
duties, and engineering on other new products (yes, the EFIS is
certainly one of the big ones) the 2" ADI simply kept getting bumped
back. There are somewhere between 150 and 200 on order right now. We
have a few units out right now flying in different aircraft, just making
double sure that we (read "I") didn't do anything stupid. I am not
writing this email to convince you that what we have done is the best
move, simply to inform you as to where we are. I will not fill you all
full of BS and say that you all are important to me, and I will do
everything I can to make everything right.You all already know that.
What we need to do is get the product out the door, and do it ASAP.
That is what we are working on, and that is what will happen as soon as
it can. It is out of engineering now; we have the production line
setup, and are currently building pre-production units for testing. I
really do appreciate the patience that you all have had with me on this
product. I agree with you all, making promises and not keeping them is
very detrimental to a company's reputation. I am only hopeful that we
have learned from our promising a product that we can't deliver. I
personally apologize to you all.
Now, as to the EFIS, if I could control all of the mouths around here
that make promises, the delivery date would always have been January 08.
I hope that we are ahead of that, but I certainly can't make any
promises of delivery before that. We are test flying pre-production
units right now.
As Paul Harvey might say, "And now you know.the rest of the story."
Andrew Barker
General Manager
TruTrak Flight Systems
"You build it...We fly it!"
Toll Free: 866-TRUTRAK
www.trutrakap.com
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| Subject: | Beware PTI paint from Aircraft Spruce |
One of our longtime customers posted a complaint about a delay on an
order for PTI paints from Aircraft Spruce, and we want to report that
the situation has been resolved to our customer's satisfaction. There
was some confusion on our part regarding a few of the PTI products that
were backordered, but that has been corrected and all the PTI products
are shipping directly from the factory to our customer. We have extended
our apology to our customer and assured him that we value his business
and look forward to continuing to serve him during the RV project.
If anyone has a question or concern please do not hesitate to contact us
and we will look into the matter immediately.
Aircraft Spruce Customer Service
custsvc@aircraftspruce.com
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak 2-1/4 ADI...the rest of the story |
Andrew,
Thanks for that feedback. I figured you'd get in on that one to clear the
air a little. Thanks for providing a great line of products.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Andrew Barker wrote:
> Well, I have been watching this thread with interest for a few days. I
> might have even gotten a few phone calls warning me about it. I know that
> you all know I monitor the list, so I typically try to stay out of the
> discussions. But.since Jesse asked me a question directly, I must jump
> in! (Thanks Jesse!)
> There are many reasons that the 2" ADI has been delayed as long as it has.
> One of the biggest is me. I personally did all of the engineering and
> design of the product. Yes, we already had the 3" version, so schematics
> were obviously not a problem. Between all of my normal daily duties, and
> engineering on other new products (yes, the EFIS is certainly one of the
> big ones) the 2" ADI simply kept getting bumped back. There are somewhere
> between 150 and 200 on order right now. We have a few units out right now
> flying in different aircraft, just making double sure that we (read "I")
> didn't do anything stupid. I am not writing this email to convince you
> that what we have done is the best move, simply to inform you as to where
> we are. I will not fill you all full of BS and say that you all are
> important to me, and I will do everything I can to make everything
> right.You all already know that. What we need to do is get the product
> out the door, and do it ASAP. That is what we are working on, and that is
> what will happen as soon as it can. It is out of engineering now; we have
> the production line setup, and are currently building pre-production units
> for testing. I really do appreciate the patience that you all have had
> with me on this product. I agree with you all, making promises and not
> keeping them is very detrimental to a company's reputation. I am only
> hopeful that we have learned from our promising a product that we can't
> deliver. I personally apologize to you all.
>
> Now, as to the EFIS, if I could control all of the mouths around here that
> make promises, the delivery date would always have been January 08. I
> hope that we are ahead of that, but I certainly can't make any promises of
> delivery before that. We are test flying pre-production units right now.
>
> As Paul Harvey might say, "And now you know.the rest of the story."
>
> Andrew Barker
> General Manager
> TruTrak Flight Systems
> "You build it...We fly it!"
> Toll Free: 866-TRUTRAK
> www.trutrakap.com
>
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I think it's both interesting and encouraging that we have at least two three four
large name companies involved in montioring this list, and I'm sure others
as well. It shows the growing force the RV-10 has in the industry as well as
shows the interest that companies are developing products that directly support
it.
Barrett
SteinAir
Tru-Trak
Aircraft S&S
Just a thought. I start packing the shop in a couple of days for a move and am
going to wax philosophical while my hands are idle...
Rob Wright
#392
Canopy
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I just received serial 7001 of the new XM box from GRT. I will have it
running tomorrow in my Glastar and bring to OSH (Thursday to Saturday) in
N48007. My plan is to use the GRT Sport PFD/MFD to backup the Cheltons in my
10 and when necessary as the display for XM weather. I will provide a PIREP
in August after returning from OSH.
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| Subject: | Beware PTI paint from Aircraft Spruce |
It sure is amazing how powerful a tool the internet can be and how people or
companies(corporations) become very accountable when there is a perceived
impact on their business.
Two responses form two seperate businesses in two days, that's pretty good.
Of course there are some that would do the right thing regardless of an
economic impact on their company.
It's a good thing!
>From: "Aircraft Spruce" <info@aircraftspruce.com>
>To: <RV10-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Beware PTI paint from Aircraft Spruce
>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:59:24 -0700
>
>To: RV Builders
>One of our longtime customers posted a complaint about a delay on an order
>for PTI paints from Aircraft Spruce, and we want to report that the
>situation has been resolved to our customer's satisfaction. There was some
>confusion on our part regarding a few of the PTI products that were
>backordered, but that has been corrected and all the PTI products are
>shipping directly from the factory to our customer. We have extended our
>apology to our customer and assured him that we value his business and look
>forward to continuing to serve him during the RV project.
>
>If anyone has a question or concern please do not hesitate to contact us
>and we will look into the matter immediately.
>
>Aircraft Spruce Customer Service
>
>custsvc@aircraftspruce.com
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A few days ago a Citation jet carrying a crew of two and 4 medical
personnel including organ transplant doctors, went down in Lake Michigan
just off shore from Milwaukee, WI shortly after takeoff. The pilot
declared an emergency due to severe control problems and was cleared to
return to MKE. No survivors. First my condolences to the families and
friends. Next, preliminary reports are that the crash may have been due
to "Runaway trim." Our RV-10s have electric trim. Should we or has
anyone installed a trim power disconnect of some sort? I realize that
the forces to overcome full trim on the 10 are not as great as a
Citation, but would this be prudent? After Attending Bob Nuckolls
seminar and hearing his reasons for not installing circuit breakers
which I generally agree with, would this be a reason for a pullable
breaker on this circuit? What do you guys and gals think? Mr.
Nuckolls, how about your thoughts?
Dave Leikam
40496 RV-10
QB Wings
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A very tragic accident by all accounts.
I have almost all electric circuits through a Main Bus-E-Bus-Battery Bus
fuse system ala Nuckolls. I made sure that ALL flight controls (trim,
flaps, AP etc) are available on breakers with easy access for quick
power removal.
cheers,
Ron
187 finishing (endlessly)
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 2:31 PM
To: RV-10 matronics; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Runaway trim
A few days ago a Citation jet carrying a crew of two and 4
medical personnel including organ transplant doctors, went down in Lake
Michigan just off shore from Milwaukee, WI shortly after takeoff. The
pilot declared an emergency due to severe control problems and was
cleared to return to MKE. No survivors. First my condolences to the
families and friends. Next, preliminary reports are that the crash may
have been due to "Runaway trim." Our RV-10s have electric trim. Should
we or has anyone installed a trim power disconnect of some sort? I
realize that the forces to overcome full trim on the 10 are not as great
as a Citation, but would this be prudent? After Attending Bob Nuckolls
seminar and hearing his reasons for not installing circuit breakers
which I generally agree with, would this be a reason for a pullable
breaker on this circuit? What do you guys and gals think? Mr.
Nuckolls, how about your thoughts?
Dave Leikam
40496 RV-10
QB Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Runaway trim |
Absolutely, 100%, if something has the power to control your plane,
put it on a pullable or switchable breaker. Flaps, Trim, AP, and
things like that all deserve a pullable breaker or breaker/switch.
Additionally, it's nice to have breakers that are pullable on
many of your avionics so you can power them off separately
from other things if needed. Save the fuses for the simple
things, like lights, fans, Wx systems, and all the added goodies.
I assure you, after flying for 225+ hours, a runaway trim event
in the RV-10 would have a high chance of doing something more
significant than just getting your attention....it would be
quite an event. Just gave a demo again Monday, and it's one
of the things I like to point out on the demo flights...what
a 1 second trim hold can do at 125+ kts. I haven't tried
more than a couple seconds, but I'm guessing you *may* be able
to pull the wings off the airplane with a significant (maybe 3
or 4 seconds), amount of runaway trim, if you were in cruise
and didn't catch it right away.
Dave, you're close enough, I've been meaning to get over
by you or have you come this way so you can get a ride.
I think you'd enjoy it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Dave Leikam wrote:
> A few days ago a Citation jet carrying a crew of two and 4 medical
> personnel including organ transplant doctors, went down in Lake Michigan
> just off shore from Milwaukee, WI shortly after takeoff. The pilot
> declared an emergency due to severe control problems and was cleared to
> return to MKE. No survivors. First my condolences to the families and
> friends. Next, preliminary reports are that the crash may have been due
> to "Runaway trim." Our RV-10s have electric trim. Should we or has
> anyone installed a trim power disconnect of some sort? I realize that
> the forces to overcome full trim on the 10 are not as great as a
> Citation, but would this be prudent? After Attending Bob Nuckolls
> seminar and hearing his reasons for not installing circuit breakers
> which I generally agree with, would this be a reason for a pullable
> breaker on this circuit? What do you guys and gals think? Mr.
> Nuckolls, how about your thoughts?
>
> Dave Leikam
> 40496 RV-10
> QB Wings
>
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| Subject: | Re: high profile |
I manage around a dozen groups 4500 members last 9 yrs......Jim Irwin
used to drop into my Bearhawk Group when there was a gripe......Once he
replied to a member that was complaining about recent lack of customer
service......Jim, posted a simple reply that he must be mistaken as it
was over 5 yrs since her purchased anything from ACS.....We all Laughed
Quietly.
Tim Cramb
Cold Lk.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Wright
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: high profile
I think it's both interesting and encouraging that we have at least
two three four large name companies involved in montioring this list,
and I'm sure others as well. It shows the growing force the RV-10 has
in the industry as well as shows the interest that companies are
developing products that directly support it.
Barrett
SteinAir
Tru-Trak
Aircraft S&S
Just a thought. I start packing the shop in a couple of days for a
move and am going to wax philosophical while my hands are idle...
Rob Wright
#392
Canopy
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