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1. 04:25 AM - Re: WTB: Van's stock -10 instrument panel (F-1003A) (rv10builder)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Ray Allen Aileron trim servo (Ralph E. Capen)
3. 05:28 AM - Re: Ray Allen Aileron trim servo (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Ray Allen Aileron trim servo (William Curtis)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: WTB: Van's stock -10 instrument panel (F-1003A) (William Curtis)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Runaway trim (Jesse Saint)
7. 06:38 AM - Ray Allen Trim servo (Fred Williams, M.D.)
8. 06:47 AM - Re: Mixture arm problem (Jesse Saint)
9. 07:57 AM - Van's Instrument Panel ()
10. 08:36 AM - Re: Runaway trim (Ed Mueller)
11. 08:36 AM - Re: Runaway trim (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
12. 08:46 AM - Re: Runaway trim (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
13. 09:00 AM - Re: Runaway trim (linn Walters)
14. 09:17 AM - Wet Compass (Robin Marks)
15. 09:31 AM - Re: Runaway trim (Jesse Saint)
16. 09:41 AM - Re: Runaway trim (John W. Cox)
17. 10:06 AM - Re: Runaway trim (John Jessen)
18. 10:09 AM - RV10 Doors Video (zackrv8)
19. 10:17 AM - Re: Runaway trim (John Jessen)
20. 10:18 AM - Re: Wet Compass (William Curtis)
21. 10:36 AM - Re: RV10 Doors Video (Rob Kermanj)
22. 10:40 AM - Re: RV10 Doors Video (jim berry)
23. 10:58 AM - Re: Runaway trim (John W. Cox)
24. 11:06 AM - Re: Wet Compass (Jesse Saint)
25. 11:08 AM - Re: RV10 Doors Video (John W. Cox)
26. 11:11 AM - Re: Wet Compass (John Lenhardt)
27. 11:25 AM - Re: RV10 Doors Video (Tom Deutsch)
28. 11:31 AM - Re: Wet Compass (linn Walters)
29. 11:37 AM - OSH dates ? (Deems Davis)
30. 12:03 PM - Re: OSH dates ? (John W. Cox)
31. 12:03 PM - Re: Wet Compass (Randy)
32. 12:22 PM - Re: OSH dates ? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
33. 12:37 PM - Re: RV10 Doors Video (zackrv8)
34. 12:43 PM - Re: Ray Allen Trim servo (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
35. 12:53 PM - Re: RV10 Doors Video (zackrv8)
36. 01:09 PM - RV10 Wiki (Jae Chang)
37. 01:17 PM - Runaway Trim (John Dunne)
38. 01:21 PM - Re: OSH dates ? (Tim Olson)
39. 01:28 PM - Re: Mixture arm problem ()
40. 01:44 PM - off list communications (gary)
41. 01:52 PM - Re: Ray Allen Trim servo (Larry Rosen)
42. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: RV10 Doors Video ()
43. 02:27 PM - Re: off list communications (John Dunne)
44. 03:12 PM - Need some information CHT probs (Deems Davis)
45. 03:17 PM - Re: off list communications (Chris Johnston)
46. 03:27 PM - Re: Need some information CHT probs (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
47. 03:28 PM - Re: Need some information CHT probs (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
48. 03:33 PM - Re: off list communications (Kelly McMullen)
49. 03:34 PM - Runaway rant (was trim) (Pascal)
50. 03:34 PM - Re: off list communications (Deems Davis)
51. 03:41 PM - Re: Runaway Trim (Bobby J. Hughes)
52. 04:03 PM - Re: Need some information CHT probs (gary)
53. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: RV10 Doors Video (Robin Marks)
54. 04:37 PM - Re: Runaway trim (marcausman)
55. 06:25 PM - Re: off list communications (Larry Rosen)
56. 07:00 PM - Builder Shop Tip (Tim C)
57. 07:51 PM - Re: Builder Shop Tip (Robert Wright)
58. 08:19 PM - Re: off list communications (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: WTB: Van's stock -10 instrument panel (F-1003A) |
Thanks for the responses...a very generous fellow builder on this list
has offered me a panel for the cost of shipping (thank you!). What a
great group of folks this is! :-D
Brian
#40308
http://www.mykitlog.com/rv10builder
rv10builder wrote:
>
> Well....I started manually chopping up the stock panel and at this
> point am not happy with the lack of precision :-( . Onto the CAD and
> jet cutting. Any you folks out there with one of those snazzy after
> market panels still have that F-1003A sitting on the shelf you would
> be willing to part with at a fair price?
>
> Contact me off list please...
>
> rv10builder@bellsouth.net
>
> Brian
> #40308
> Nashville, TN 37211
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Aileron trim servo |
I used a 6 pin Molex but doubled the wire over before crimping it. I used five
individual strands of 26AWG instead of the 5 pin cable as it was easier to run
the individual wires through my plastic conduit.....
Others have used RS232 connectors.
I'll try to find photos at home this weekend......
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Wellenzohn <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
>Sent: Jun 8, 2007 2:06 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Ray Allen Aileron trim servo
>
>
>Quick question, what did you use to connect the Ray Allen aileron trim servo to
the cable which comes with the kit from Vans?
>Since the cables are so thin crimping doesnt work (at least with the terminals
I have). Did you use a connector?
>
>Please advise (pictures are welcome).
>
>Regards
>Michael
>
>www.wellenzohn.net
>
>--------
>RV-10 builder (wings)
>#511
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117234#117234
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>
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| Subject: | Ray Allen Aileron trim servo |
Here is one way:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Ray Allen Aileron trim servo
Quick question, what did you use to connect the Ray Allen aileron trim servo to
the cable which comes with the kit from Vans?
Since the cables are so thin crimping doesnt work (at least with the terminals
I have). Did you use a connector?
Please advise (pictures are welcome).
Regards
Michael
www.wellenzohn.net
--------
RV-10 builder (wings)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117234#117234
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Aileron trim servo |
I used a standard DB-9 connector without the external shell.
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10Electrical_v3b.pdf
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
>
> I used a 6 pin Molex but doubled the wire over before crimping it. I used five
individual strands of 26AWG instead of the 5 pin cable as it was easier to
run the individual wires through my plastic conduit.....
> Others have used RS232 connectors.
>
> I'll try to find photos at home this weekend......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael Wellenzohn <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
> >Sent: Jun 8, 2007 2:06 AM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV10-List: Ray Allen Aileron trim servo
> >
> >
> >Quick question, what did you use to connect the Ray Allen aileron trim servo
to the cable which comes with the kit from Vans?
> >Since the cables are so thin crimping doesnt work (at least with the terminals
I have). Did you use a connector?
> >
> >Please advise (pictures are welcome).
> >
> >Regards
> >Michael
> >
> >www.wellenzohn.net
> >
> >--------
> >RV-10 builder (wings)
> >#511
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117234#117234
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| Subject: | WTB: Van's stock -10 instrument panel (F-1003A) |
Dave,
Not sure what you are suggesting here. A 2' X 4' sheet of 6061-T6 from Aircraft
spruce is $35.35. If you will be cutting the panel vertically, you could get
2' X 2' sheets for $17.26 each, unless you are suggesting the use of 2024T3
instead. I may be wrong but I don't think F-1003A is 2024T3.
6061T6
2' X 4' 03-30150 $35.35
2' X 2' 03-30160 $17.26
2024T3
2' X 4' 03-28350 $57.11
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
>
> F-1003A is $44, .063 sheet is $50+. Unless you need the extra material,
> you might want to check stock at Van's (I should have located my own ELT
> head a little better...). Do not archive
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA
> 831-722-9141
> 831-750-0284 CL
> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
> 40394 Wiring, prop arrived today one week ahead of schedule.
>
>
>
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I don't like the thought of it disengaging the a/p automatically. The
trim-sensing TruTrak servos/indication would be useless. When flying,
especially when on the Sorcerer or other combination systems where you can
use the a/p to fly you to your target altitude, you need to be able to trim
as the a/p tells you to.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mueller
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Jesse (and others),
I've done that more then once (hit he trim with an atlas) in my Beech
Duchess. The A/P was set up to disengage when the trim activated. You
knew at once something had happened. Down side was flying an approach
IFR. If I had the heading engaged and was managing vertical descent
manually, I couldn't use the trim without having the A/P shut off.
Can't have everything I guess.
Ed Mueller
RV10 #525
On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> One was looking at an atlas and had it resting on the top of the
> stick, pushing the trim. The other was filling in some flight log
> info. Watch out for this with trim on the stick. I wouldnt even
> consider taking the trims off the stick, but that will only happen 1
> time before you realize the importance of being careful not to hit
> that switch accidentally.
>
> All I have seen are using the Vans indicator for the Trim and I
> havent seen anybody use a flap indicator. I dont think Dynon even
> had an indication option until quite recently. The first time I saw
> it on a display was a Sun-N-Fun.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon
> Smith
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>
>
>
> Any idea what caused the trim run away in the RV10s? Was it
> accidental activation ofstick mounted swtiches or some other problem?
>
> On a side note, are people with Dynons using theVan's supplied trim
> and flap indicators or the Dynon option?
>
> Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
>
> do not archive
>
>
> From: jesse@saintaviation.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:09:29 -0400
> I have heard 2 stories of how the -10 was inadvertently trimmed
> nose-up while the auto-pilot was engaged. The a-p held until it
> couldnt hold anymore and then let go, putting the plane in an unusual
> attitude VERY quickly. The first one had the original servo and the
> second was with a high-torque servo, which was more dramatic. If the
> first pilot hadnt mentioned his experience to the second pilot, he
> said he probably would have wet his pants, if not more. I put just
> about everything on a pullable breaker. Lights and fans and stuff
> like that, as Tim mentioned, can be on fuses, but having everything on
> breakers so you can shed load manually if you have an alternator
> failure, which DOES happen, is a good idea. Breakers cost about $16
> each for the good Klixon ones, so 20 of them is going to cost just
> over $300, but probably less than $300 more than you would spend on
> the alternative. Just being able to shed loads when you are working
> on settings with the plane off is well worth it, IMHO.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
>
> Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! Check out
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>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
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>
>
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2:03 PM
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| Subject: | Ray Allen Trim servo |
Michael;
Make sure you add "electrical components held together by Shoe Goo"
under the large "Experimental" on the doors. :-)
Seems like a good way to make a small connector for the servos.
Dr Fred.
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| Subject: | Mixture arm problem |
The part number on N415EC is 2521287. Any of the shops mentioned should
have them, including Mattituck, etc.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Belue
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Mixture arm problem
I have a Bendix servo on my IO540-C4B5 engine that has a straight mixture
lever. It's not working out very well because the airbox interferes with it
- even with the cutout. Does anyone know where I can get an offset mixture
arm like most seem to have? The unit has these numbers:
Model: RSA-5AD1
Serial: 49426
Parts List: 4524213-11
My straight mixture arm has this number on it: 25220U4
I'd appreciate any help with this!
Kevin Belue
RV-6A >700 hrs
RV-10 finish work
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| Subject: | Van's Instrument Panel |
I ordered an extra instrument panel from Van's and it was pretty cheap.
Less than $40, I think. Already nicely cut and drilled.
TDT
40025
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| Subject: | Re: Runaway trim |
On Jun 8, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> I don't like the thought of it disengaging the a/p automatically.
Only when hitting the trim switch on the yoke. The A/P itself drives
the trim servo to set the trim.
> The
> trim-sensing TruTrak servos/indication would be useless. When flying,
> especially when on the Sorcerer or other combination systems where you
> can
> use the a/p to fly you to your target altitude, you need to be able to
> trim
> as the a/p tells you to.
It won't fly to a target altitude but you can set a vertical pitch
attitude, and again the a/p handles the trim setting.
I don't know how the Sorcerer works, do you have to set the trim
manually, like the S-tec 50? I just don't like
the idea of the trim and a/p fighting each other. It sounds like when
the pilot fights the a/p, a real no-no.
Ed Mueller
P.S. Thanks for all the advice and help you give on this board.
We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mueller
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:10 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>
>
> Jesse (and others),
>
> I've done that more then once (hit he trim with an atlas) in my Beech
> Duchess. The A/P was set up to disengage when the trim activated. You
> knew at once something had happened. Down side was flying an approach
> IFR. If I had the heading engaged and was managing vertical descent
> manually, I couldn't use the trim without having the A/P shut off.
> Can't have everything I guess.
>
> Ed Mueller
> RV10 #525
> On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>>
>> One was looking at an atlas and had it resting on the top of the
>> stick, pushing the trim. The other was filling in some flight log
>> info. Watch out for this with trim on the stick. I wouldnt even
>> consider taking the trims off the stick, but that will only happen 1
>> time before you realize the importance of being careful not to hit
>> that switch accidentally.
>>
>> All I have seen are using the Vans indicator for the Trim and I
>> havent seen anybody use a flap indicator. I dont think Dynon even
>> had an indication option until quite recently. The first time I saw
>> it on a display was a Sun-N-Fun.
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> www.saintaviation.com
>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon
>> Smith
>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:27 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>>
>>
>>
>> Any idea what caused the trim run away in the RV10s? Was it
>> accidental activation ofstick mounted swtiches or some other problem?
>>
>> On a side note, are people with Dynons using theVan's supplied trim
>> and flap indicators or the Dynon option?
>>
>> Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> From: jesse@saintaviation.com
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:09:29 -0400
>> I have heard 2 stories of how the -10 was inadvertently trimmed
>> nose-up while the auto-pilot was engaged. The a-p held until it
>> couldnt hold anymore and then let go, putting the plane in an unusual
>> attitude VERY quickly. The first one had the original servo and the
>> second was with a high-torque servo, which was more dramatic. If the
>> first pilot hadnt mentioned his experience to the second pilot, he
>> said he probably would have wet his pants, if not more. I put just
>> about everything on a pullable breaker. Lights and fans and stuff
>> like that, as Tim mentioned, can be on fuses, but having everything on
>> breakers so you can shed load manually if you have an alternator
>> failure, which DOES happen, is a good idea. Breakers cost about $16
>> each for the good Klixon ones, so 20 of them is going to cost just
>> over $300, but probably less than $300 more than you would spend on
>> the alternative. Just being able to shed loads when you are working
>> on settings with the plane off is well worth it, IMHO.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> www.saintaviation.com
>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>>
>>
>> Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! Check out
>> the New MSN Mobile
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 2:03 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Runaway trim |
In a message dated 6/8/2007 9:21:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jesse@saintaviation.com writes:
When flying,
especially when on the Sorcerer or other combination systems where you can
use the a/p to fly you to your target altitude, you need to be able to trim
as the a/p tells you to.
Jesse...you mean to tell me that you've got to hand trim the controls when
using the Sorcerer? Even an ol' KAP 140 does all the trimming if you touch the
trim either manually or electric trim...the AP should disengage
automatically...
P
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| Subject: | Re: Runaway trim |
Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to be
able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
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| Subject: | Re: Runaway trim |
JSMcGrew@aol.com wrote:
> Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to
> be able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
Well, Jim, I'm sure different folks have different reasons. I add 'do
not archive' if my post is my opinion or my experience .... which for
now is most always. If I have factual data to post or comment on ....
well, I leave it off. This isn't cast in concrete, though. To answer
Eds' question ..... if it's anywhere in the body of the email, it'll get
trashed. IOW, once is enough. If you feel that a post is worth
archiving, search and remove all the occurances and resend it. Just
MHO, of course!
Linn
>
> -Jim
> 40134
>
> In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
>
>
> We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
> have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> See what's free at AOL.com
> <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>.
>
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I have selected an all electric, (no round gauges) panel with a Dynon
100 as a backup. It looks to me to be about as nice a panel as I could
have dreamed.
My questions is am I REQUIRED to have a wet compass?
Robin
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In response to your post and Ed's, TruTrak offers an automatic pitch trim
option, but it is not standard. The a/p give you a little indicator on the
screen to trim up or town when it is having to hold pressure in a certain
direction. You DO have to trim for the a/p. It will hold it up to a
certain point, but it is recommended by TruTrak that you trim to take the
load off the system, probably to reduce stress and possibly wear on the
servos. Trimming does not disengage the a/p and should not, with this
feature, as it would completely render the feature useless. As I think I
mentioned, you can engage the a/p just after rotation and don't have to
disengage until almost time to flare, so there is a great need to trimming
in between those times. The Sorcerer will fly to a target altitude, either
using the "Sel" for climb of "Vnav" for descent. It will fly you to your
desired altitude and then level you off. It will climb on IAS or VS and
will descend over a set distance or via VS. I don't know about other a/p's,
but TruTrak is leading the experimental market and their people are from the
certified world, so they know what they are doing, IMHO, regarding trim.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Jesse...you mean to tell me that you've got to hand trim the controls when
using the Sorcerer? Even an ol' KAP 140 does all the trimming if you touch
the trim either manually or electric trim...the AP should disengage
automatically...
P
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Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity. Those
that do .... should not use "Do not Archive".
I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they
were, builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just
lurkers who find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a
courtesy to those few readers who actually resort to searching the
archives. Tim and I have used it extensively and I apologize for those
times when I forget. Its misuse may have something to do with why the
quality traffic has dropped so abruptly and much valuable discussion is
now taking place "Offline".
This one is not for the records.
John Cox -#40600
Do not Archive.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to be
able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would
yours
have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
________________________________
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I have no dog in this trim a/p hunt, but, man, I love hand flying. I know
the -10 is all about cruising, but it is also a great plane to fly. I once
took a ride in a Cirrus SR-22 from Boston to North Philly. The owner
punched the A/P button at about 800 feet out of KBED and took back over on
approach. Boring. Waste of time. Nice to see the landscape below, way
below. Again, great for long distance when you want to lay back and read
the AIM, I guess. (should I don my fire retardant clothing?)
John J
Getting close to re-engaging aluminum
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
In response to your post and Ed's, TruTrak offers an automatic pitch trim
option, but it is not standard. The a/p give you a little indicator on the
screen to trim up or town when it is having to hold pressure in a certain
direction. You DO have to trim for the a/p. It will hold it up to a
certain point, but it is recommended by TruTrak that you trim to take the
load off the system, probably to reduce stress and possibly wear on the
servos. Trimming does not disengage the a/p and should not, with this
feature, as it would completely render the feature useless. As I think I
mentioned, you can engage the a/p just after rotation and don't have to
disengage until almost time to flare, so there is a great need to trimming
in between those times. The Sorcerer will fly to a target altitude, either
using the "Sel" for climb of "Vnav" for descent. It will fly you to your
desired altitude and then level you off. It will climb on IAS or VS and
will descend over a set distance or via VS. I don't know about other a/p's,
but TruTrak is leading the experimental market and their people are from the
certified world, so they know what they are doing, IMHO, regarding trim.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Jesse...you mean to tell me that you've got to hand trim the controls when
using the Sorcerer? Even an ol' KAP 140 does all the trimming if you touch
the trim either manually or electric trim...the AP should disengage
automatically...
P
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | RV10 Doors Video |
Guys,
For those of you who did not get to the RV10 doors yet, you need to see this
video. Even those of you who have completed your RV10 and are flying around
and are not happy with the way your doors close, you too need to see this.
My brother Jim designed them and my Nephew Dave is producing them. Either make
them yourself, or get them from Dave, but put them in your Ten if you want
to enhance the closing/locking of your RV10 doors.
I first saw the problem with the rear door rod not engaging at Oshkosh last year.
I watched again and again as people got in Van's demonstrator and couldn't
engage the rear door rod without a conscientious effort. I initially made
my door rods as per Vans plan. The door did not "rack" properly when closed and
was even worse when the door was latched.
I know of several other RV10's with this safety problem. The door guides are
just one possible solution. Take a look at this video and see for yourself.
Just remember that the rubber channel is not yet installed. I will not use Vans
supplied rubber channel on my plane. I'm hunting around for something better
that is softer.
The Door Guides are CNC milled and are tapped from the back side so no screw
heads are visible. The screw pattern is the same as Vans. If fact, if you haven't
reached the stage of building your "plastic" door guides that Vans supplies
in the kit, you won't have to drill that big hole through your vertical intercostal
because the door pins don't go that far.
The Door Pins are Stainless Steel, made on a CNC lathe, and have a magnet inserted
in them so you can use Vans magnet switch for the door open warning system.
They screw right into Vans door rods (same threads). You just have to cut
the rods to the length you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDyecpfc30
Zack
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117311#117311
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Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions being
placed back online!
If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us folks not
in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them online.
We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an opinion.
Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice about that
opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because I'm not yet
confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say something about
deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that I have an opinion
every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET compass, but it is
pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go south, although I think
a battery back up would be better.
Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
following this list.
Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
John J
#328
do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity. Those that
do .. should not use "Do not Archive".
I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they were,
builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just lurkers who
find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a courtesy to those few
readers who actually resort to searching the archives. Tim and I have used
it extensively and I apologize for those times when I forget. Its misuse
may have something to do with why the quality traffic has dropped so
abruptly and much valuable discussion is now taking place "Offline".
This one is not for the records.
John Cox -#40600
Do not Archive.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to be
able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
_____
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http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Even though you primary EFIS with magnetometer or backup Dynon may meet the requirement
of a "Magnetic Direction indicator" in FAR 91.205 b(3), why not put one
in for when the crap hits the fan. I've seen Dynon's "lose their minds."
Look to the certified airframe manufactures, even the G1000/Avidyne equipped airplanes
include the basic "round gauge" backups. They are cheap, they are proven.
This is just my personal opinion but the idea of backing up one piece of
experimental avionics with another would make me uncomfortable with anything
but VFR flight.
The SIRs Navigator compass is especially nice: http://www.sirsproducts.com/page3.html
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
>
> I have selected an all electric, (no round gauges) panel with a Dynon
> 100 as a backup. It looks to me to be about as nice a panel as I could
> have dreamed.
> My questions is am I REQUIRED to have a wet compass?
>
> Robin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Doors Video |
Zack, The hardware looks fantastic. I would like to see the same
video with the door seals installed. I know that my doors behaved
very different once I installed the seals and did not fit as nice.
In fact, I had to get a smaller diameter seal before I was satisfied
with the operation.
Do not archive.
On Jun 8, 2007, at 1:09 PM, zackrv8 wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> For those of you who did not get to the RV10 doors yet, you need
> to see this video. Even those of you who have completed your RV10
> and are flying around and are not happy with the way your doors
> close, you too need to see this.
>
> My brother Jim designed them and my Nephew Dave is producing
> them. Either make them yourself, or get them from Dave, but put
> them in your Ten if you want to enhance the closing/locking of your
> RV10 doors.
>
> I first saw the problem with the rear door rod not engaging at
> Oshkosh last year. I watched again and again as people got in
> Van's demonstrator and couldn't engage the rear door rod without a
> conscientious effort. I initially made my door rods as per Vans
> plan. The door did not "rack" properly when closed and was even
> worse when the door was latched.
>
> I know of several other RV10's with this safety problem. The
> door guides are just one possible solution. Take a look at this
> video and see for yourself. Just remember that the rubber channel
> is not yet installed. I will not use Vans supplied rubber channel
> on my plane. I'm hunting around for something better that is softer.
>
> The Door Guides are CNC milled and are tapped from the back side
> so no screw heads are visible. The screw pattern is the same as
> Vans. If fact, if you haven't reached the stage of building your
> "plastic" door guides that Vans supplies in the kit, you won't have
> to drill that big hole through your vertical intercostal because
> the door pins don't go that far.
>
> The Door Pins are Stainless Steel, made on a CNC lathe, and have
> a magnet inserted in them so you can use Vans magnet switch for the
> door open warning system. They screw right into Vans door rods
> (same threads). You just have to cut the rods to the length you want.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDyecpfc30
>
> Zack
>
> --------
> RV8 #80125
> RV10 # 40512
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117311#117311
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Doors Video |
Zack,
Very slick. What is the cost?
Jim Berry
40482
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Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do List.
Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment... right?
Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of the
builders were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must
reluctantly cede to their wishes to communicate away from all the
negative feedback. I have posted this concern before - total subject
posts and responses are down considerably and is a trend which needs
positive correction. Jesse has taken over the RV-10 list as the "now
defacto" expert on all pilot operations, builder operations and
component expert as well. As several have mentioned offline, they
cannot find a pilot certificate, repairman certificate or any formal
training for such a basis of wisdom from his youthful posts. Even Dan
Checkoway has left the list from posting his wisdom.
Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about to
proseal the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this weekend.
Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line
Maintenance or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We
are undergoing "Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen
Window Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a
Service Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off
for OSH so I am now officially going.
John
600
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions being
placed back online!
If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us folks
not in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them
online. We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an
opinion. Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice
about that opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because
I'm not yet confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say
something about deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that
I have an opinion every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET
compass, but it is pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go
south, although I think a battery back up would be better.
Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
following this list.
Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
John J
#328
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity. Those
that do .... should not use "Do not Archive".
I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they
were, builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just
lurkers who find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a
courtesy to those few readers who actually resort to searching the
archives. Tim and I have used it extensively and I apologize for those
times when I forget. Its misuse may have something to do with why the
quality traffic has dropped so abruptly and much valuable discussion is
now taking place "Offline".
This one is not for the records.
John Cox -#40600
Do not Archive.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to be
able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would
yours
have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
________________________________
See what's free at AOL.com
<http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
s
.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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The DAR for N256H would not sign us off without a normal compass. He said
the FAR's require one. I don't know anything beyond that because I haven't
read them, but that might just have been one of his pet things, which each
DAR seems to have.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wet Compass
I have selected an all electric, (no round gauges) panel with a Dynon
100 as a backup. It looks to me to be about as nice a panel as I could
have dreamed.
My questions is am I REQUIRED to have a wet compass?
Robin
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| Subject: | RV10 Doors Video |
Full Throttle Concepts has done a remarkable video. Take the time to
click on the final link below, the conclusion sells the Rivet Head
product even if you don't conclude the factory doors need immediate
improvement. Class Act!
John Cox -600
On Jun 8, 2007, at 1:09 PM, zackrv8 wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> For those of you who did not get to the RV10 doors yet, you need
> to see this video. Even those of you who have completed your RV10
> and are flying around and are not happy with the way your doors
> close, you too need to see this.
>
> My brother Jim designed them and my Nephew Dave is producing
> them. Either make them yourself, or get them from Dave, but put
> them in your Ten if you want to enhance the closing/locking of your
> RV10 doors.
>
> I first saw the problem with the rear door rod not engaging at
> Oshkosh last year. I watched again and again as people got in
> Van's demonstrator and couldn't engage the rear door rod without a
> conscientious effort. I initially made my door rods as per Vans
> plan. The door did not "rack" properly when closed and was even
> worse when the door was latched.
>
> I know of several other RV10's with this safety problem. The
> door guides are just one possible solution. Take a look at this
> video and see for yourself. Just remember that the rubber channel
> is not yet installed. I will not use Vans supplied rubber channel
> on my plane. I'm hunting around for something better that is softer.
>
> The Door Guides are CNC milled and are tapped from the back side
> so no screw heads are visible. The screw pattern is the same as
> Vans. If fact, if you haven't reached the stage of building your
> "plastic" door guides that Vans supplies in the kit, you won't have
> to drill that big hole through your vertical intercostal because
> the door pins don't go that far.
>
> The Door Pins are Stainless Steel, made on a CNC lathe, and have
> a magnet inserted in them so you can use Vans magnet switch for the
> door open warning system. They screw right into Vans door rods
> (same threads). You just have to cut the rods to the length you want.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDyecpfc30
>
> Zack
>
> --------
> RV8 #80125
> RV10 # 40512
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117311#117311
>
>
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Doesn't have to be a "wet" compass; only a magnetic one and for the
money of the one mentioned below you can also put in a vertical compass
card to make it easier to read because it's more like a DG you're use
to, plus it's dampened.
http://www.pai700.com/index.html
http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/vertcard_compass1.php
http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/importvc_compass.php
http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/sirs_compass2.php
John Lenhardt
#40262
Roanoke, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: William Curtis
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: re: RV10-List: Wet Compass
Even though you primary EFIS with magnetometer or backup Dynon may
meet the requirement of a "Magnetic Direction indicator" in FAR 91.205
b(3), why not put one in for when the crap hits the fan. I've seen
Dynon's "lose their minds." Look to the certified airframe
manufactures, even the G1000/Avidyne equipped airplanes include the
basic "round gauge" backups. They are cheap, they are proven. This is
just my personal opinion but the idea of backing up one piece of
experimental avionics with another would make me uncomfortable with
anything but VFR flight.
The SIRs Navigator compass is especially nice:
http://www.sirsproducts.com/page3.html
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
<robin1@mrmoisture.com>
>
> I have selected an all electric, (no round gauges) panel with a
Dynon
> 100 as a backup. It looks to me to be about as nice a panel as I
could
> have dreamed.
> My questions is am I REQUIRED to have a wet compass?
>
> Robin
>
>
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| Subject: | RV10 Doors Video |
Does anyone other than me have a concern about the strength of the joint
where the "bullet" screws into the aluminum tube?
Tom Deutsch
#40545 75 hrs flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Doors Video
Full Throttle Concepts has done a remarkable video. Take the time to
click on the final link below, the conclusion sells the Rivet Head
product even if you don't conclude the factory doors need immediate
improvement. Class Act!
John Cox -600
On Jun 8, 2007, at 1:09 PM, zackrv8 wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> For those of you who did not get to the RV10 doors yet, you need
> to see this video. Even those of you who have completed your RV10
> and are flying around and are not happy with the way your doors
> close, you too need to see this.
>
> My brother Jim designed them and my Nephew Dave is producing
> them. Either make them yourself, or get them from Dave, but put
> them in your Ten if you want to enhance the closing/locking of your
> RV10 doors.
>
> I first saw the problem with the rear door rod not engaging at
> Oshkosh last year. I watched again and again as people got in
> Van's demonstrator and couldn't engage the rear door rod without a
> conscientious effort. I initially made my door rods as per Vans
> plan. The door did not "rack" properly when closed and was even
> worse when the door was latched.
>
> I know of several other RV10's with this safety problem. The
> door guides are just one possible solution. Take a look at this
> video and see for yourself. Just remember that the rubber channel
> is not yet installed. I will not use Vans supplied rubber channel
> on my plane. I'm hunting around for something better that is softer.
>
> The Door Guides are CNC milled and are tapped from the back side
> so no screw heads are visible. The screw pattern is the same as
> Vans. If fact, if you haven't reached the stage of building your
> "plastic" door guides that Vans supplies in the kit, you won't have
> to drill that big hole through your vertical intercostal because
> the door pins don't go that far.
>
> The Door Pins are Stainless Steel, made on a CNC lathe, and have
> a magnet inserted in them so you can use Vans magnet switch for the
> door open warning system. They screw right into Vans door rods
> (same threads). You just have to cut the rods to the length you want.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDyecpfc30
>
> Zack
>
> --------
> RV8 #80125
> RV10 # 40512
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117311#117311
>
>
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Just thinking out loud here, but why wouldn't a little wet compass from
Wal-Mart (or anywhere else) fit the bill??? You know, the little ones
to suction-cup to your windshield???
Linn
definitely do not archive!
John Lenhardt wrote:
> Doesn't have to be a "wet" compass; only a magnetic one and for the
> money of the one mentioned below you can also put in a vertical
> compass card to make it easier to read because it's more like a DG
> you're use to, plus it's dampened.
>
> http://www.pai700.com/index.html
> http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/vertcard_compass1.php
> http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/importvc_compass.php
> http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/sirs_compass2.php
>
> John Lenhardt
> #40262
> Roanoke, VA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Curtis <mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:24 PM
> Subject: re: RV10-List: Wet Compass
>
> <wcurtis@nerv10.com <mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com>>
>
> Even though you primary EFIS with magnetometer or backup Dynon may
> meet the requirement of a "Magnetic Direction indicator" in FAR
> 91.205 b(3), why not put one in for when the crap hits the fan.
> I've seen Dynon's "lose their minds." Look to the certified
> airframe manufactures, even the G1000/Avidyne equipped airplanes
> include the basic "round gauge" backups. They are cheap, they are
> proven. This is just my personal opinion but the idea of backing
> up one piece of experimental avionics with another would make me
> uncomfortable with anything but VFR flight.
>
> The SIRs Navigator compass is especially nice:
> http://www.sirsproducts.com/page3.html
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> > X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com <mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com>>
> >
> <robin1@mrmoisture.com <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com>>
> >
> > I have selected an all electric, (no round gauges) panel with a
> Dynon
> > 100 as a backup. It looks to me to be about as nice a panel as I
> could
> > have dreamed.
> > My questions is am I REQUIRED to have a wet compass?
> >
> > Robin
> >
> > nbsp; Navigator
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
> available via
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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OK I need to make arrangements for OSH and would like to time my stay
(aprox 3 days) to coincide with as many of you as possible. Right now
I'm thinking about Tues 7/24, Wed, and Thurs 7/26. What's everybody
elses plans?
Tim is it time to re open the OSH attendance list on your site?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff. (I swear the fiberglass stuff never ends!)
http://deemsrv10.com/
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I won't be offering apologies on the public RV-10 list but the Private
(John Jessen) made Public post was to respond to a deep concern Rick
Sked had about the direction of the list. To you however... I apologize
for the wasted band-width.
I am off Thursday through Sunday, then vacation Sunday night through
Thursday, then off again Friday and Saturday July 19 through the 29th.
My plan is to fly Tana to Chicago for the weekend of Thur/Fri/Sat - July
19,20 and 21. I want to attend the Mike Sausen Barbeque on Sunday the
22nd. I don't know if Tana will attend. Then I am hitting OSH on
Mon/Tues/Wed/Thursday - July 23,24,25 and 26 with a flight home from ORD
on Friday.
Have not yet heard from Cascade Warbirds on the OSH house. I will
contact the owner direct to confirm availability. It is usually $250
for the entire week from Monday through the following Sunday. I always
split by Friday because when using Standby, I might never get home once
the pilgrimage ends. I will have a rental car with a large ice-cooler
in the trunk for snacks and beverages.
Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday are for sure. I have not yet paid Bob
Collins for the RV Barbeque on Wednesday or the VANS on Thursday.
Everything is up in the air.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: OSH dates ?
OK I need to make arrangements for OSH and would like to time my stay
(aprox 3 days) to coincide with as many of you as possible. Right now
I'm thinking about Tues 7/24, Wed, and Thurs 7/26. What's everybody
elses plans?
Tim is it time to re open the OSH attendance list on your site?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff. (I swear the fiberglass stuff never
ends!)
http://deemsrv10.com/
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That may very well work. I have one of the dash mount ones
(accual aviation not from Walmart) that I plan to install with a quick
release bracket. Can carry it in the plane and install at any time if
ramp checked or if needed.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: linn Walters
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wet Compass
Just thinking out loud here, but why wouldn't a little wet compass
from Wal-Mart (or anywhere else) fit the bill??? You know, the little
ones to suction-cup to your windshield???
Linn
definitely do not archive!
John Lenhardt wrote:
Doesn't have to be a "wet" compass; only a magnetic one and for the
money of the one mentioned below you can also put in a vertical compass
card to make it easier to read because it's more like a DG you're use
to, plus it's dampened.
http://www.pai700.com/index.html
http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/vertcard_compass1.php
http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/importvc_compass.php
http://aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/sirs_compass2.php
John Lenhardt
#40262
Roanoke, VA
----- Original Message -----
From: William Curtis
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: re: RV10-List: Wet Compass
<wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Even though you primary EFIS with magnetometer or backup Dynon may
meet the requirement of a "Magnetic Direction indicator" in FAR 91.205
b(3), why not put one in for when the crap hits the fan. I've seen
Dynon's "lose their minds." Look to the certified airframe
manufactures, even the G1000/Avidyne equipped airplanes include the
basic "round gauge" backups. They are cheap, they are proven. This is
just my personal opinion but the idea of backing up one piece of
experimental avionics with another would make me uncomfortable with
anything but VFR flight.
The SIRs Navigator compass is especially nice:
http://www.sirsproducts.com/page3.html
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
<robin1@mrmoisture.com>
>
> I have selected an all electric, (no round gauges) panel with a
Dynon
> 100 as a backup. It looks to me to be about as nice a panel as I
could
> have dreamed.
> My questions is am I REQUIRED to have a wet compass?
>
> Robin
>
> nbsp; Navigator
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
available via
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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I'll be there a few days prior to show start and depart Sunday 7/29 AM.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: OSH dates ?
OK I need to make arrangements for OSH and would like to time my stay
(aprox 3 days) to coincide with as many of you as possible. Right now
I'm thinking about Tues 7/24, Wed, and Thurs 7/26. What's everybody
elses plans?
Tim is it time to re open the OSH attendance list on your site?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff. (I swear the fiberglass stuff never
ends!)
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Doors Video |
Tom,
The "Bullet" or "Door Pin" screws in Vans existing rod with at least an inch
of threads. Once the final length is cut from Vans rod and the Bullet tips do
not extend pass the door edge, you then Lock-Tite them in. The "Pins" are loaded
in shear, not tension. Your fiberglass door will break before then door
pins break off the rod.
Zack
deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com wrote:
> Does anyone other than me have a concern about the strength of the joint
> where the "bullet" screws into the aluminum tube?
>
> Tom Deutsch
> #40545 75 hrs flying
> --
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117344#117344
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| Subject: | Ray Allen Trim servo |
That cracks me up! One of the greatest tips I have received from years of monitoring
the Aerolectric list is ShoGoo!
Michael
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D.
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Ray Allen Trim servo
Michael;
Make sure you add "electrical components held together by Shoe Goo"
under the large "Experimental" on the doors. :-)
Seems like a good way to make a small connector for the servos.
Dr Fred.
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Doors Video |
I really don't know the cost. Call Dave at 302-437-6087. He can help you with
that.
Joe
quote="jim berry"]Zack,
Very slick. What is the cost?
Jim Berry
40482[/quote]
--------
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RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
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http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/RV
http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/RV10
The above links are to the RV and RV10 Wiki pages on the Matronics
servers. I know Matt Dralle sent an email a while back indicating these
Wiki pages were setup. I only now got around to looking into it. To my
surprise, I found the RV10 pages empty. I hope we can all utilize this
resource more.To this end, I went ahead and updated the RV10 pages with
a first-pass. The beauty of the Wiki system is that anyone can
immediately update and edit content and publish to everyone else in a
collaborative way. (That's the idea, anyway. I just hope spammers do not
get wind of it.)
My main motivation for looking into it, was I knew a Wiki platform would
be a better means of providing useful meaniningful information for
builders. I am fed up with working on some section of the plans, then
while browsing the forums, discovering after-the-fact, that I should
have done something differently. The forums contain a lot of useful
information, but it is not conducive to following along as one is
building to the plans. The forum strength is for real-time discussion on
topics. Its major weakness is that is serves as a poor reference for
followup after the discussion has died. The main matronics wiki page
explains the same thing:
http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page. It is using the same
MediaWiki platform that the well-known http://www.wikipedai.org uses.
I encourage everyone to take a look and add their 2 cents. I still
needed to register a username and password, even though I am subscribed
to the lists. They are independent systems. I am working on the
Fuselage, so I added an "Airframe Gotchas" section, that includes the
Fuselage chapters for now.
Jae
40533
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One of the things that worries me about a runaway trim, is a statement
to the Australian Transport Safety Bureau regarding a near accident in
an EMB110 just over a year ago.
The Pilot in command (he had a co-pilot as well) said he couldn't let go
of the control column in order to pull the CB. The co-pilot was thus
engaged as well.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2005/aair/pdf/a
air200504340_001.pdf
What are the forces required to overcome full nose down or up trim in an
RV-10?
Has anyone tried this?
What is the safest place for the CB placement?
How to reset neutral trim?
It might have just been habit and a hang over from my early training
days, but I was always more comfortable with a trim wheel. Is anyone
doing this?
John 40315 (Finishing)
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So far I've left the OSH list in standby, since we're still over a month
away, but I'm prepping to get camping stuff straight ahead of time, so
people can reserve a site at what some call the "RV-10 Headquarters".
It won't be long until I start getting it updated for 2007. I just need
to sit down and start working on it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> OK I need to make arrangements for OSH and would like to time my stay
> (aprox 3 days) to coincide with as many of you as possible. Right now
> I'm thinking about Tues 7/24, Wed, and Thurs 7/26. What's everybody
> elses plans?
> Tim is it time to re open the OSH attendance list on your site?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff. (I swear the fiberglass stuff never
> ends!)
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture arm problem |
Aircraft Accessories in Oklahoma is sending me an offset mixture arm. Thanks for
all of the replies!
Kevin
---- Kevin Belue <kdbelue@charter.net> wrote:
> I have a Bendix servo on my IO540-C4B5 engine that has a straight mixture lever.
It's not working out very well because the airbox interferes with it - even
with the cutout. Does anyone know where I can get an offset mixture arm like
most seem to have? The unit has these numbers:
>
> Model: RSA-5AD1
> Serial: 49426
> Parts List: 4524213-11
>
> My straight mixture arm has this number on it: 25220U4
>
> I'd appreciate any help with this!
>
> Kevin Belue
> RV-6A >700 hrs
> RV-10 finish work
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| Subject: | off list communications |
It doesn't take long hanging around this list to get the feeling that there
are more than a few 'Double Dumb" experts out there. (Those who are too
dumb to know that they are dumb.) I know this sounds offensive, I don't
mean it to be. I have seen numerous occasions where suggestions from Tech
Counselors, DAR's and repeat offenders have been pooh-poohed because the
"EXPERT" knows better, even though this is the first time he is building or
in some cases he is not even building.
This list needs diversity of opinion. It needs to tap the experience of
those who have gone before. This is how all of us learned the first time.
I to, hope that those who have left the list will return. I also admonish
those whose experience is on the thin side, to refrain from blanket
statements and condemnation of those who differ in thought, and lets all
loose the "know it all" attitude. This is a forum for evaluating ideas.
There is no one way to do things, but each way has its good points and its
bad points. One person may choose method A because, in his evaluation of
the issues, the down sides do not impact him the way they might person B who
chooses another method.
We builders and pilots have attributes that make us successful at flying and
building. Strong self confidence, self starting, roll up your shirt sleeves
and let's get going attitude. However the ego and the jump right in and do
it attitude can be offensive. I for one, would hate to see this list loose
its primary talent because we cannot or will not be tolerant of others. No
matter how good you are, there is someone better.
If I have offended you I apologize. My only aim is to make this list all
that it can be.
Gary
40274
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do List.
Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment. right?
Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of the builders
were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must reluctantly cede
to their wishes to communicate away from all the negative feedback. I have
posted this concern before - total subject posts and responses are down
considerably and is a trend which needs positive correction. Jesse has
taken over the RV-10 list as the "now defacto" expert on all pilot
operations, builder operations and component expert as well. As several
have mentioned offline, they cannot find a pilot certificate, repairman
certificate or any formal training for such a basis of wisdom from his
youthful posts. Even Dan Checkoway has left the list from posting his
wisdom.
Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about to proseal
the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this weekend.
Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line Maintenance
or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We are undergoing
"Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen Window
Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a Service
Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off for OSH so I
am now officially going.
John
600
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions being
placed back online!
If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us folks not
in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them online.
We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an opinion.
Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice about that
opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because I'm not yet
confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say something about
deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that I have an opinion
every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET compass, but it is
pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go south, although I think
a battery back up would be better.
Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
following this list.
Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
John J
#328
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity. Those that
do .. should not use "Do not Archive".
I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they were,
builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just lurkers who
find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a courtesy to those few
readers who actually resort to searching the archives. Tim and I have used
it extensively and I apologize for those times when I forget. Its misuse
may have something to do with why the quality traffic has dropped so
abruptly and much valuable discussion is now taking place "Offline".
This one is not for the records.
John Cox -#40600
Do not Archive.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to be
able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
_____
See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Ray Allen Trim servo |
I agree. The ShoGoo stuff is great.
Larry
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> That cracks me up! One of the greatest tips I have received from years of monitoring
the Aerolectric list is ShoGoo!
>
> Michael
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D.
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:38 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Ray Allen Trim servo
>
>
> Michael;
>
> Make sure you add "electrical components held together by Shoe Goo"
> under the large "Experimental" on the doors. :-)
>
> Seems like a good way to make a small connector for the servos.
>
> Dr Fred.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Doors Video |
I paid $86. Came in just a few days, and looks great. I will be installing
in the next week or so.
Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)
RV-10 40486 Slow-build
Naperville, Illinois
Finishing kit
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Doors Video
I really don't know the cost. Call Dave at 302-437-6087. He can help you
with that.
Joe
quote="jim berry"]Zack,
Very slick. What is the cost?
Jim Berry
40482[/quote]
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
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Well said Gary. It has been said before and even "archived" that a
percentage of lurkers on the list tend to stay in the background (or
have drifted into the shade) due to an unwillingness to expose their
lack of knowledge or a fear of verbal ablation on certain topics.
There's sometimes a feeling this list is being policed for less
articulated comments or holes in opinions and knowledge and this takes
the shine off.
I came to this list because I knew nothing about building an aircraft
and for the most part it has been very helpful.
It's been a challenge to research all the opinions on all the varied
topics and I hope my knowledge has been expanded but what I was hoping
for was more a list for first timers like myself. The excellent web
sites of the fantastic efforts of some have really expanded the
functionality of this list but it would be good to have a lot more basic
"stuff" on this central bulletin board.
I like the "dumb" nuts and bolts questions and would like to see more.
Leave the do not archive protocol for soap box statements. Everything
else is good fodder.
John 40315
----- Original Message -----
From: gary
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: off list communications
It doesn't take long hanging around this list to get the feeling that
there are more than a few 'Double Dumb" experts out there. (Those who
are too dumb to know that they are dumb.) I know this sounds offensive,
I don't mean it to be. I have seen numerous occasions where suggestions
from Tech Counselors, DAR's and repeat offenders have been pooh-poohed
because the "EXPERT" knows better, even though this is the first time he
is building or in some cases he is not even building.
This list needs diversity of opinion. It needs to tap the experience
of those who have gone before. This is how all of us learned the first
time. I to, hope that those who have left the list will return. I also
admonish those whose experience is on the thin side, to refrain from
blanket statements and condemnation of those who differ in thought, and
lets all loose the "know it all" attitude. This is a forum for
evaluating ideas. There is no one way to do things, but each way has
its good points and its bad points. One person may choose method A
because, in his evaluation of the issues, the down sides do not impact
him the way they might person B who chooses another method.
We builders and pilots have attributes that make us successful at
flying and building. Strong self confidence, self starting, roll up
your shirt sleeves and let's get going attitude. However the ego and the
jump right in and do it attitude can be offensive. I for one, would
hate to see this list loose its primary talent because we cannot or will
not be tolerant of others. No matter how good you are, there is someone
better.
If I have offended you I apologize. My only aim is to make this list
all that it can be.
Gary
40274
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-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:58 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do List.
Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment. right?
Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of the
builders were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must
reluctantly cede to their wishes to communicate away from all the
negative feedback. I have posted this concern before - total subject
posts and responses are down considerably and is a trend which needs
positive correction. Jesse has taken over the RV-10 list as the "now
defacto" expert on all pilot operations, builder operations and
component expert as well. As several have mentioned offline, they
cannot find a pilot certificate, repairman certificate or any formal
training for such a basis of wisdom from his youthful posts. Even Dan
Checkoway has left the list from posting his wisdom.
Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about to
proseal the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this weekend.
Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line
Maintenance or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We
are undergoing "Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen
Window Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a
Service Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off
for OSH so I am now officially going.
John
600
Do not archive
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-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions
being placed back online!
If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us folks
not in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them
online. We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an
opinion. Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice
about that opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because
I'm not yet confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say
something about deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that
I have an opinion every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET
compass, but it is pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go
south, although I think a battery back up would be better.
Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
following this list.
Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
John J
#328
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity.
Those that do .. should not use "Do not Archive".
I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they
were, builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just
lurkers who find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a
courtesy to those few readers who actually resort to searching the
archives. Tim and I have used it extensively and I apologize for those
times when I forget. Its misuse may have something to do with why the
quality traffic has dropped so abruptly and much valuable discussion is
now taking place "Offline".
This one is not for the records.
John Cox -#40600
Do not Archive.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to
be able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
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| Subject: | Need some information CHT probs |
I'm wanting to install the CHT probes, but I can't find any information
as to what to torque them to. (oddly enough I found the info for
torquing the stainless steel bands that hold the EGT probs (45 in lbs).
Also do they get any sealant applied to the threads (anti-seize?)
Anybody got any insight here?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff
http://deemsrv10.com/
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I for one am glad to expose my lack of experience and ignorance for all
to see! I'm ecstatic that there's a bunch of smart people who'll point
me in the right direction. Even if they don't do it gently... I got
thick skin.
Ps: The wings go on the top right?
cj
exposing my creamy nougat center
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
Well said Gary. It has been said before and even "archived" that a
percentage of lurkers on the list tend to stay in the background (or
have drifted into the shade) due to an unwillingness to expose their
lack of knowledge or a fear of verbal ablation on certain topics.
There's sometimes a feeling this list is being policed for less
articulated comments or holes in opinions and knowledge and this takes
the shine off.
I came to this list because I knew nothing about building an aircraft
and for the most part it has been very helpful.
It's been a challenge to research all the opinions on all the varied
topics and I hope my knowledge has been expanded but what I was hoping
for was more a list for first timers like myself. The excellent web
sites of the fantastic efforts of some have really expanded the
functionality of this list but it would be good to have a lot more basic
"stuff" on this central bulletin board.
I like the "dumb" nuts and bolts questions and would like to see more.
Leave the do not archive protocol for soap box statements. Everything
else is good fodder.
John 40315
----- Original Message -----
From: gary <mailto:speckter@comcast.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: off list communications
It doesn't take long hanging around this list to get the feeling
that there are more than a few 'Double Dumb" experts out there. (Those
who are too dumb to know that they are dumb.) I know this sounds
offensive, I don't mean it to be. I have seen numerous occasions where
suggestions from Tech Counselors, DAR's and repeat offenders have been
pooh-poohed because the "EXPERT" knows better, even though this is the
first time he is building or in some cases he is not even building.
This list needs diversity of opinion. It needs to tap the
experience of those who have gone before. This is how all of us learned
the first time. I to, hope that those who have left the list will
return. I also admonish those whose experience is on the thin side, to
refrain from blanket statements and condemnation of those who differ in
thought, and lets all loose the "know it all" attitude. This is a forum
for evaluating ideas. There is no one way to do things, but each way
has its good points and its bad points. One person may choose method A
because, in his evaluation of the issues, the down sides do not impact
him the way they might person B who chooses another method.
We builders and pilots have attributes that make us successful
at flying and building. Strong self confidence, self starting, roll up
your shirt sleeves and let's get going attitude. However the ego and the
jump right in and do it attitude can be offensive. I for one, would
hate to see this list loose its primary talent because we cannot or will
not be tolerant of others. No matter how good you are, there is someone
better.
If I have offended you I apologize. My only aim is to make this
list all that it can be.
Gary
40274
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:58 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do
List.
Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment... right?
Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of
the builders were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must
reluctantly cede to their wishes to communicate away from all the
negative feedback. I have posted this concern before - total subject
posts and responses are down considerably and is a trend which needs
positive correction. Jesse has taken over the RV-10 list as the "now
defacto" expert on all pilot operations, builder operations and
component expert as well. As several have mentioned offline, they
cannot find a pilot certificate, repairman certificate or any formal
training for such a basis of wisdom from his youthful posts. Even Dan
Checkoway has left the list from posting his wisdom.
Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about
to proseal the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this
weekend.
Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line
Maintenance or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We
are undergoing "Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen
Window Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a
Service Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off
for OSH so I am now officially going.
John
600
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Well, you know what? How about some of those quality
discussions being placed back online!
If there are good points that need making or that are being made
that someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us
folks not in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get
them online. We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put
forth an opinion. Part of learning is to then have an expert respond
with advice about that opinion. I don't typically say anything
technical because I'm not yet confident or experienced enough (well, I
now might say something about deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate
the fact that I have an opinion every once in awhile, such as NO you
don't need a WET compass, but it is pretty a pretty fail safe instrument
when others go south, although I think a battery back up would be
better.
Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need
the knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are
experts following this list.
Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
John J
#328
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity.
Those that do .... should not use "Do not Archive".
I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter
out the advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if
they were, builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just
lurkers who find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a
courtesy to those few readers who actually resort to searching the
archives. Tim and I have used it extensively and I apologize for those
times when I forget. Its misuse may have something to do with why the
quality traffic has dropped so abruptly and much valuable discussion is
now taking place "Offline".
This one is not for the records.
John Cox -#40600
Do not Archive.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is
nice to be able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive.
Would yours
have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
________________________________
See what's free at AOL.com
<http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Need some information CHT probs |
I put anti-seize on my CHT probes. I'm sure they'll need to be replaced
someday and I wanted them to come back out. I don't remember if I had a spec for
tightening those. I'll check next time I'm at the hangar if someone doesn't
come up with the answer first.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 6:14:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
deemsdavis@cox.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I'm wanting to install the CHT probes, but I can't find any information
as to what to torque them to. (oddly enough I found the info for
torquing the stainless steel bands that hold the EGT probs (45 in lbs).
Also do they get any sealant applied to the threads (anti-seize?)
Anybody got any insight here?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff
http://deemsrv10.com/
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Need some information CHT probs |
I put anti-seize on my CHT probes. I'm sure they'll need to be replaced
someday and I wanted them to come back out. I don't remember if I had a spec for
tightening those. I'll check next time I'm at the hangar if someone doesn't
come up with the answer first.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 6:14:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
deemsdavis@cox.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I'm wanting to install the CHT probes, but I can't find any information
as to what to torque them to. (oddly enough I found the info for
torquing the stainless steel bands that hold the EGT probs (45 in lbs).
Also do they get any sealant applied to the threads (anti-seize?)
Anybody got any insight here?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff
http://deemsrv10.com/
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Jess bee shure ya put the tail on right. Other wise it will be 10kts slower.
Moooney driver ;-p
On 6/8/07, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
>
>
> I for one am glad to expose my lack of experience and ignorance for all to
> see! I'm ecstatic that there's a bunch of smart people who'll point me in
> the right direction. Even if they don't do it gently I got thick skin.
>
>
> Ps: The wings go on the top right?
>
>
> cj
>
> exposing my creamy nougat center
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John Dunne
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
>
>
> Well said Gary. It has been said before and even "archived" that a
> percentage of lurkers on the list tend to stay in the background (or have
> drifted into the shade) due to an unwillingness to expose their lack of
> knowledge or a fear of verbal ablation on certain topics.
>
>
> There's sometimes a feeling this list is being policed for less articulated
> comments or holes in opinions and knowledge and this takes the shine off.
>
>
> I came to this list because I knew nothing about building an aircraft and
> for the most part it has been very helpful.
>
>
> It's been a challenge to research all the opinions on all the varied topics
> and I hope my knowledge has been expanded but what I was hoping for was more
> a list for first timers like myself. The excellent web sites of the
> fantastic efforts of some have really expanded the functionality of this
> list but it would be good to have a lot more basic "stuff" on this central
> bulletin board.
>
>
> I like the "dumb" nuts and bolts questions and would like to see more.
>
>
> Leave the do not archive protocol for soap box statements. Everything else
> is good fodder.
>
>
> John 40315
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: gary
>
>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:43 AM
>
>
> Subject: RV10-List: off list communications
>
>
> It doesn't take long hanging around this list to get the feeling that there
> are more than a few 'Double Dumb" experts out there. (Those who are too
> dumb to know that they are dumb.) I know this sounds offensive, I don't
> mean it to be. I have seen numerous occasions where suggestions from Tech
> Counselors, DAR's and repeat offenders have been pooh-poohed because the
> "EXPERT" knows better, even though this is the first time he is building or
> in some cases he is not even building.
>
> This list needs diversity of opinion. It needs to tap the experience of
> those who have gone before. This is how all of us learned the first time.
> I to, hope that those who have left the list will return. I also admonish
> those whose experience is on the thin side, to refrain from blanket
> statements and condemnation of those who differ in thought, and lets all
> loose the "know it all" attitude. This is a forum for evaluating ideas.
> There is no one way to do things, but each way has its good points and its
> bad points. One person may choose method A because, in his evaluation of
> the issues, the down sides do not impact him the way they might person B who
> chooses another method.
>
>
> We builders and pilots have attributes that make us successful at flying and
> building. Strong self confidence, self starting, roll up your shirt sleeves
> and let's get going attitude. However the ego and the jump right in and do
> it attitude can be offensive. I for one, would hate to see this list loose
> its primary talent because we cannot or will not be tolerant of others. No
> matter how good you are, there is someone better.
>
>
> If I have offended you I apologize. My only aim is to make this list all
> that it can be.
>
>
> Gary
>
> 40274
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John W. Cox
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:58 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>
>
> Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do List.
>
>
> Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment right?
>
>
> Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of the builders
> were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must reluctantly cede
> to their wishes to communicate away from all the negative feedback. I have
> posted this concern before total subject posts and responses are down
> considerably and is a trend which needs positive correction. Jesse has
> taken over the RV-10 list as the "now defacto" expert on all pilot
> operations, builder operations and component expert as well. As several
> have mentioned offline, they cannot find a pilot certificate, repairman
> certificate or any formal training for such a basis of wisdom from his
> youthful posts. Even Dan Checkoway has left the list from posting his
> wisdom.
>
>
> Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about to proseal
> the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this weekend.
>
>
> Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line Maintenance
> or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We are undergoing
> "Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen Window
> Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a Service
> Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off for OSH so I
> am now officially going.
>
>
> John
>
> 600
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John Jessen
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>
>
> Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions being
> placed back online!
>
>
> If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
> someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us folks not
> in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them online.
> We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an opinion.
> Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice about that
> opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because I'm not yet
> confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say something about
> deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that I have an opinion
> every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET compass, but it is
> pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go south, although I think
> a battery back up would be better.
>
>
> Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
> knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
> following this list.
>
>
> Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
>
>
> John J
>
> #328
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John W. Cox
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>
> Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity. Those that
> do . should not use "Do not Archive".
>
>
> I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
> advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they were,
> builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just lurkers who
> find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a courtesy to those few
> readers who actually resort to searching the archives. Tim and I have used
> it extensively and I apologize for those times when I forget. Its misuse
> may have something to do with why the quality traffic has dropped so
> abruptly and much valuable discussion is now taking place "Offline".
>
>
> This one is not for the records.
>
>
> John Cox -#40600
>
> Do not Archive.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JSMcGrew@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>
>
> Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to be
> able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
>
>
> -Jim
>
>
> 40134
>
>
> In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
>
>
> We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
> have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Runaway rant (was trim) |
John;
I may be misunderstanding your comments but Dan Checkoway left the RV-10
forum because he sold his kit and is building a RV-8 now, not because of
any other reason. I agree with you that I could care less if Jesse flies
a concorde or at all, bottom line is he BUILDS THE RV-10 and thus has
the knowledge to give, if there is anyone who thinks Chuck Yeager can
build a better RV-10 because he is a great pilot, think again, flying it
has little bearing on building it. Another example, I just returned from
the Boeing tour in Seattle and I asked the guide "how many people on the
line fly".. the tour guide said he didn't know but not many.. If given
the chance I would ask one of those non fliers how to rivet before I
asked my neighbor- an experienced pilot.
I'm on a roll but I leave with, this group has been great for me. So
much encouragement before I started and so much guidance since.. I for
one don't have as much time now to post since I am building and that is
a higher priority, but I'll try post more, as I know I will find more to
post on.
With that my findings thus far. Don't sweat the small mistakes and call
Vans for reassurance if you do! Most of the time they'll tell you it is
fine or how to fix.. Can't beat that kind of support. Kudos to Van's
support!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: John W. Cox
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do List.
Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment. right?
Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of the
builders were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must
reluctantly cede to their wishes to communicate away from all the
negative feedback. I have posted this concern before - total subject
posts and responses are down considerably and is a trend which needs
positive correction. Jesse has taken over the RV-10 list as the "now
defacto" expert on all pilot operations, builder operations and
component expert as well. As several have mentioned offline, they
cannot find a pilot certificate, repairman certificate or any formal
training for such a basis of wisdom from his youthful posts. Even Dan
Checkoway has left the list from posting his wisdom.
Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about to
proseal the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this weekend.
Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line
Maintenance or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We
are undergoing "Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen
Window Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a
Service Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off
for OSH so I am now officially going.
John
600
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions
being placed back online!
If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us folks
not in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them
online. We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an
opinion. Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice
about that opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because
I'm not yet confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say
something about deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that
I have an opinion every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET
compass, but it is pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go
south, although I think a battery back up would be better.
Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
following this list.
Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
John J
#328
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity.
Those that do .. should not use "Do not Archive".
I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they
were, builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just
lurkers who find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a
courtesy to those few readers who actually resort to searching the
archives. Tim and I have used it extensively and I apologize for those
times when I forget. Its misuse may have something to do with why the
quality traffic has dropped so abruptly and much valuable discussion is
now taking place "Offline".
This one is not for the records.
John Cox -#40600
Do not Archive.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to
be able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
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I quit responding to and asking questions when Rcik Sked made fun of my
speling :-*
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff
http://deemsrv10.com/
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John,
Your the first person who has questioned the need to reset neutral trim.
The DPDT switch circuit I posted a few days ago will be my method to
address this. Actually I will be using a 4PDT switch to include the roll
trim. A friend of mine and very experienced pilot \ builder had a
runaway trim event a few years ago. He said it was a real challenge to
keep the plane in the air and land. The reversible \ cut-off switch is
his solution and after a little investigation I think it is a better
solution than a breaker. What really sold me was a recent report of a
runaway trim event on the Lancair list. I think it was on one of the
first few test flights. Pilot and plane got down ok but apparently it
took a lot of strength to keep it in the air.
Disclaimer... This is my first experimental aircraft. I am a low time
pilot.... I do not hold a repairman's certificate.....slept at a Holiday
Inn once this year. Oh yes.. I am installing an automobile engine.
Bobby
40116R
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Runaway Trim
One of the things that worries me about a runaway trim, is a statement
to the Australian Transport Safety Bureau regarding a near accident in
an EMB110 just over a year ago.
The Pilot in command (he had a co-pilot as well) said he couldn't let go
of the control column in order to pull the CB. The co-pilot was thus
engaged as well.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2005/aair/pdf/
aair200504340_001.pdf
What are the forces required to overcome full nose down or up trim in an
RV-10?
Has anyone tried this?
What is the safest place for the CB placement?
How to reset neutral trim?
It might have just been habit and a hang over from my early training
days, but I was always more comfortable with a trim wheel. Is anyone
doing this?
John 40315 (Finishing)
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| Subject: | Need some information CHT probs |
Torque is not critical. Antisieze is very helpful.
Gary
40274
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Need some information CHT probs
I'm wanting to install the CHT probes, but I can't find any information
as to what to torque them to. (oddly enough I found the info for
torquing the stainless steel bands that hold the EGT probs (45 in lbs).
Also do they get any sealant applied to the threads (anti-seize?)
Anybody got any insight here?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Doors Video |
Zack,
I was actually on the site yesterday looking for this product.
The video is fantastic, the website is... well if I can say anything
nice I won't say anything at all.
The site does not seem to display the door product or pricing.
Can you inform the list as to the pricing and what is & is not included.
Thanks,
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10 Doors Video
Thing nice
Tom,
The "Bullet" or "Door Pin" screws in Vans existing rod with at least
an inch of threads. Once the final length is cut from Vans rod and the
Bullet tips do not extend pass the door edge, you then Lock-Tite them
in. The "Pins" are loaded in shear, not tension. Your fiberglass door
will break before then door pins break off the rod.
Zack
deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com wrote:
> Does anyone other than me have a concern about the strength of the
joint
> where the "bullet" screws into the aluminum tube?
>
> Tom Deutsch
> #40545 75 hrs flying
> --
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | Re: Runaway trim |
[quote="Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co"] As a few have mentioned by the time you notice
the problem, cutting power probably won't help much. Recognizing the problem
and recovering smoothly is the solution.
> [b]
Dave, I agree. You need to stop the trim, and probably by the time you stop it,
you are well out of trim. The Vertical Power system shows on the pilot display
when either trim or flaps is running, and will have audio tones as well. There
are no mechanical relays - each flap and trim control circuit uses two solid
state switches in series, so that if one fails you don't have a runaway condition.
We also stop the motor if opposite trim or flap is commanded - so if the
down trim wire shorts for example, you press the up trim button and the motor
stops. Hold this for 3 seconds and the trim switch is disconnected. You can
then run the trim & flaps from the display (using the soft keys) as a backup and
hopefully get the trim back to neutral.
Runaway trim is a very bad condition, and we really wanted to design a system that
makes electric trim safe yet easy to wire. Come by and take a look at OSH.
--------
Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: off list communications |
I thought that if you put it on backwards it will be 10kts faster.
Larry
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Jess bee shure ya put the tail on right. Other wise it will be 10kts
> slower.
> Moooney driver ;-p
>
>
> On 6/8/07, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I for one am glad to expose my lack of experience and ignorance for
>> all to
>> see! I'm ecstatic that there's a bunch of smart people who'll point
>> me in
>> the right direction. Even if they don't do it gently I got thick
>> skin.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ps: The wings go on the top right?
>>
>>
>>
>> cj
>>
>> exposing my creamy nougat center
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> John Dunne
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Well said Gary. It has been said before and even "archived" that a
>> percentage of lurkers on the list tend to stay in the background (or
>> have
>> drifted into the shade) due to an unwillingness to expose their lack of
>> knowledge or a fear of verbal ablation on certain topics.
>>
>>
>> There's sometimes a feeling this list is being policed for less
>> articulated
>> comments or holes in opinions and knowledge and this takes the shine
>> off.
>>
>>
>> I came to this list because I knew nothing about building an aircraft
>> and
>> for the most part it has been very helpful.
>>
>>
>> It's been a challenge to research all the opinions on all the varied
>> topics
>> and I hope my knowledge has been expanded but what I was hoping for
>> was more
>> a list for first timers like myself. The excellent web sites of the
>> fantastic efforts of some have really expanded the functionality of this
>> list but it would be good to have a lot more basic "stuff" on this
>> central
>> bulletin board.
>>
>>
>> I like the "dumb" nuts and bolts questions and would like to see more.
>>
>>
>> Leave the do not archive protocol for soap box statements. Everything
>> else
>> is good fodder.
>>
>>
>> John 40315
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: gary
>>
>>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:43 AM
>>
>>
>> Subject: RV10-List: off list communications
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It doesn't take long hanging around this list to get the feeling that
>> there
>> are more than a few 'Double Dumb" experts out there. (Those who are too
>> dumb to know that they are dumb.) I know this sounds offensive, I don't
>> mean it to be. I have seen numerous occasions where suggestions from
>> Tech
>> Counselors, DAR's and repeat offenders have been pooh-poohed because the
>> "EXPERT" knows better, even though this is the first time he is
>> building or
>> in some cases he is not even building.
>>
>> This list needs diversity of opinion. It needs to tap the experience of
>> those who have gone before. This is how all of us learned the first
>> time.
>> I to, hope that those who have left the list will return. I also
>> admonish
>> those whose experience is on the thin side, to refrain from blanket
>> statements and condemnation of those who differ in thought, and lets all
>> loose the "know it all" attitude. This is a forum for evaluating ideas.
>> There is no one way to do things, but each way has its good points
>> and its
>> bad points. One person may choose method A because, in his
>> evaluation of
>> the issues, the down sides do not impact him the way they might
>> person B who
>> chooses another method.
>>
>>
>>
>> We builders and pilots have attributes that make us successful at
>> flying and
>> building. Strong self confidence, self starting, roll up your shirt
>> sleeves
>> and let's get going attitude. However the ego and the jump right in
>> and do
>> it attitude can be offensive. I for one, would hate to see this list
>> loose
>> its primary talent because we cannot or will not be tolerant of
>> others. No
>> matter how good you are, there is someone better.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I have offended you I apologize. My only aim is to make this list
>> all
>> that it can be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> 40274
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> John W. Cox
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:58 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do List.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment right?
>>
>>
>>
>> Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of the
>> builders
>> were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must
>> reluctantly cede
>> to their wishes to communicate away from all the negative feedback.
>> I have
>> posted this concern before total subject posts and responses are down
>> considerably and is a trend which needs positive correction. Jesse has
>> taken over the RV-10 list as the "now defacto" expert on all pilot
>> operations, builder operations and component expert as well. As
>> several
>> have mentioned offline, they cannot find a pilot certificate, repairman
>> certificate or any formal training for such a basis of wisdom from his
>> youthful posts. Even Dan Checkoway has left the list from posting his
>> wisdom.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about to
>> proseal
>> the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this weekend.
>>
>>
>>
>> Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line
>> Maintenance
>> or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We are
>> undergoing
>> "Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen Window
>> Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a Service
>> Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off for
>> OSH so I
>> am now officially going.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> 600
>>
>>
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> John Jessen
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions being
>> placed back online!
>>
>>
>>
>> If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
>> someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us
>> folks not
>> in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them
>> online.
>> We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an opinion.
>> Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice about
>> that
>> opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because I'm not yet
>> confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say something about
>> deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that I have an
>> opinion
>> every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET compass, but it is
>> pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go south, although I
>> think
>> a battery back up would be better.
>>
>>
>>
>> Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
>> knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
>> following this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
>>
>>
>>
>> John J
>>
>> #328
>>
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> John W. Cox
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>>
>> Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity.
>> Those that
>> do . should not use "Do not Archive".
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
>> advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they
>> were,
>> builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just lurkers
>> who
>> find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a courtesy to
>> those few
>> readers who actually resort to searching the archives. Tim and I
>> have used
>> it extensively and I apologize for those times when I forget. Its
>> misuse
>> may have something to do with why the quality traffic has dropped so
>> abruptly and much valuable discussion is now taking place "Offline".
>>
>>
>>
>> This one is not for the records.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Cox -#40600
>>
>> Do not Archive.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> JSMcGrew@aol.com
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to be
>> able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jim
>>
>>
>> 40134
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
>> have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
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>>
>> See what's free at AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Builder Shop Tip |
Woodworking Tip: Note CaddyGetting on in age, returning to the Shop
without one of the things you went out for?
The ANSWER>>>>>> Tim C Cold Lk.
a.. Table Saw
Note Caddy
I like to keep a pencil and paper close at hand for writing quick
notes or hardware needs around the shop. The problem is not always being
able to find the paper and pencil. So I built a small caddy to help me
record and keep track of these notes when I'm working in the shop.
It uses a roll of adding machine paper and contains a paper cutter
and pencil holder for convenience.
The roll of adding machine paper spins on a piece of dowel cut to
fit a slot in the plywood body. You'll want to size the body according
to the width of the paper roll you use.
I made the note caddy out of scrap =BD? plywood. First I cut the
parts to size (see the drawing). Then I took a piece of =BE? plywood and
made three dadoes to form the pencil holder on one side.
A bevel cut across the back piece allows you to hang the note
caddy on a cleat mounted to the wall (see photo at left). It can also be
quickly removed from the cleat when needed.
I added a piece of hardboard to the front for a smooth writing
surface. A piece of hacksaw blade makes a handy way to cut the paper.
And a length of wire on the top holds the paper down and keeps it always
ready for use.
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Very cool. with my current woodworking skills I could have my cabin top sanded
to fit the fuse in the time it'd take me to build one!
Rob Wright
#392
Canopy, buildus interruptus
----- Original Message ----
From: Tim C <tlc2@telus.net>
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 8:55:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Builder Shop Tip
Getting on in age, returning to the Shop without one of the things you went out
for?
The ANSWER>>>>>> Tim C Cold Lk.
Table Saw
Note Caddy
I like to keep a pencil and paper close at hand for writing quick notes or hardware
needs around the shop. The problem is not always being able to find the
paper and pencil. So I built a small caddy to help me record and keep track of
these notes when I$BCN(B working in the shop.
It uses a roll of adding machine paper and contains a paper cutter and pencil holder
for convenience.
The roll of adding machine paper spins on a piece of dowel cut to fit a slot in
the plywood body. You$BCM(Bl want to size the body according to the width of
the paper roll you use.
I made the note caddy out of scrap $B%9!m(B plywood. First I cut the parts to size
(see the drawing). Then I took a piece of $B%;!m(B plywood and made three
dadoes to form the pencil holder on one side.
A bevel cut across the back piece allows you to hang the note caddy on a cleat
mounted to the wall (see photo at left). It can also be quickly removed from
the cleat when needed.
I added a piece of hardboard to the front for a smooth writing surface. A piece
of hacksaw blade makes a handy way to cut the paper. And a length of wire on
the top holds the paper down and keeps it always ready for use.
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My point exactly, as to what is the correct way to put it on. What you
perceive as backwards is in fact the correct aerodynamic arrangement,
with all the swept "jet" like tails being ineffective, requiring much
bigger surface area to do the job. Rudder needs to have hinge line
perpendicular to the airflow at the stall, which apparently only Al
Mooney recognized. The Mooney rudder is much smaller than most any
aircraft of its size and wt, including the -10. Makes for smaller
tail, less wt, less structure to support, etc. How many piston powered
fighters ever had swept tails? A big fat zero as far as I know. How
many piston singles made 1960-1980 have swept tails...something more
than 80 percent. How dumb is that? BTW, nothing says you can't have a
quick build tail...just get yerself a salvage Mooney tail and put it
on, so you don't look like every other RV on the planet. Or if you
wanna go cheap, get a tail from a Lark Commander...same thing, just
costs less. (very TIC)
And what ever you do,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On 6/8/07, Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I thought that if you put it on backwards it will be 10kts faster.
> Larry
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
> >
> > Jess bee shure ya put the tail on right. Other wise it will be 10kts
> > slower.
> > Moooney driver ;-p
> >
> >
> > On 6/8/07, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I for one am glad to expose my lack of experience and ignorance for
> >> all to
> >> see! I'm ecstatic that there's a bunch of smart people who'll point
> >> me in
> >> the right direction. Even if they don't do it gently I got thick
> >> skin.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ps: The wings go on the top right?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> cj
> >>
> >> exposing my creamy nougat center
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> John Dunne
> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:26 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well said Gary. It has been said before and even "archived" that a
> >> percentage of lurkers on the list tend to stay in the background (or
> >> have
> >> drifted into the shade) due to an unwillingness to expose their lack of
> >> knowledge or a fear of verbal ablation on certain topics.
> >>
> >>
> >> There's sometimes a feeling this list is being policed for less
> >> articulated
> >> comments or holes in opinions and knowledge and this takes the shine
> >> off.
> >>
> >>
> >> I came to this list because I knew nothing about building an aircraft
> >> and
> >> for the most part it has been very helpful.
> >>
> >>
> >> It's been a challenge to research all the opinions on all the varied
> >> topics
> >> and I hope my knowledge has been expanded but what I was hoping for
> >> was more
> >> a list for first timers like myself. The excellent web sites of the
> >> fantastic efforts of some have really expanded the functionality of this
> >> list but it would be good to have a lot more basic "stuff" on this
> >> central
> >> bulletin board.
> >>
> >>
> >> I like the "dumb" nuts and bolts questions and would like to see more.
> >>
> >>
> >> Leave the do not archive protocol for soap box statements. Everything
> >> else
> >> is good fodder.
> >>
> >>
> >> John 40315
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >>
> >> From: gary
> >>
> >>
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:43 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> Subject: RV10-List: off list communications
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It doesn't take long hanging around this list to get the feeling that
> >> there
> >> are more than a few 'Double Dumb" experts out there. (Those who are too
> >> dumb to know that they are dumb.) I know this sounds offensive, I don't
> >> mean it to be. I have seen numerous occasions where suggestions from
> >> Tech
> >> Counselors, DAR's and repeat offenders have been pooh-poohed because the
> >> "EXPERT" knows better, even though this is the first time he is
> >> building or
> >> in some cases he is not even building.
> >>
> >> This list needs diversity of opinion. It needs to tap the experience of
> >> those who have gone before. This is how all of us learned the first
> >> time.
> >> I to, hope that those who have left the list will return. I also
> >> admonish
> >> those whose experience is on the thin side, to refrain from blanket
> >> statements and condemnation of those who differ in thought, and lets all
> >> loose the "know it all" attitude. This is a forum for evaluating ideas.
> >> There is no one way to do things, but each way has its good points
> >> and its
> >> bad points. One person may choose method A because, in his
> >> evaluation of
> >> the issues, the down sides do not impact him the way they might
> >> person B who
> >> chooses another method.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We builders and pilots have attributes that make us successful at
> >> flying and
> >> building. Strong self confidence, self starting, roll up your shirt
> >> sleeves
> >> and let's get going attitude. However the ego and the jump right in
> >> and do
> >> it attitude can be offensive. I for one, would hate to see this list
> >> loose
> >> its primary talent because we cannot or will not be tolerant of
> >> others. No
> >> matter how good you are, there is someone better.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If I have offended you I apologize. My only aim is to make this list
> >> all
> >> that it can be.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >> 40274
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> John W. Cox
> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:58 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do List.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment right?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of the
> >> builders
> >> were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must
> >> reluctantly cede
> >> to their wishes to communicate away from all the negative feedback.
> >> I have
> >> posted this concern before total subject posts and responses are down
> >> considerably and is a trend which needs positive correction. Jesse has
> >> taken over the RV-10 list as the "now defacto" expert on all pilot
> >> operations, builder operations and component expert as well. As
> >> several
> >> have mentioned offline, they cannot find a pilot certificate, repairman
> >> certificate or any formal training for such a basis of wisdom from his
> >> youthful posts. Even Dan Checkoway has left the list from posting his
> >> wisdom.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about to
> >> proseal
> >> the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this weekend.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line
> >> Maintenance
> >> or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We are
> >> undergoing
> >> "Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen Window
> >> Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a Service
> >> Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off for
> >> OSH so I
> >> am now officially going.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> 600
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> John Jessen
> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions being
> >> placed back online!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
> >> someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us
> >> folks not
> >> in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them
> >> online.
> >> We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an opinion.
> >> Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice about
> >> that
> >> opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because I'm not yet
> >> confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say something about
> >> deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that I have an
> >> opinion
> >> every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET compass, but it is
> >> pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go south, although I
> >> think
> >> a battery back up would be better.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
> >> knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
> >> following this list.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John J
> >>
> >> #328
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> John W. Cox
> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
> >>
> >> Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity.
> >> Those that
> >> do . should not use "Do not Archive".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
> >> advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they
> >> were,
> >> builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just lurkers
> >> who
> >> find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a courtesy to
> >> those few
> >> readers who actually resort to searching the archives. Tim and I
> >> have used
> >> it extensively and I apologize for those times when I forget. Its
> >> misuse
> >> may have something to do with why the quality traffic has dropped so
> >> abruptly and much valuable discussion is now taking place "Offline".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This one is not for the records.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John Cox -#40600
> >>
> >> Do not Archive.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> JSMcGrew@aol.com
> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to be
> >> able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Jim
> >>
> >>
> >> 40134
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
> >> have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> See what's free at AOL.com.
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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