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1. 12:34 AM - Re: OSH dates ? (Henkjan van der Zouw)
2. 03:19 AM - Re: off list communications (Larry Rosen)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: Wet Compass (AirMike)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: OSH dates ? (Deems Davis)
5. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: Wet Compass (Dan Masys)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: OSH dates ? (bcondrey)
7. 09:35 AM - Re: off list communications (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Wet Compass (Robin Marks)
9. 01:08 PM - Re: WTB: Van's stock -10 instrument panel (F-1003A) (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
10. 01:32 PM - Re: Wet Compass (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
11. 01:40 PM - Re: OSH dates ? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
12. 04:29 PM - A Embarrising ELT Story (Tim C)
13. 05:02 PM - Re: Runaway Trim (Marcus Cooper)
14. 05:21 PM - Re: OSH dates ? (Marcus Cooper)
15. 07:02 PM - Re: RV10 Doors Video (zackrv8)
16. 07:44 PM - Re: Need some information CHT probs (John W. Cox)
17. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: Wet Compass (Dan Masys)
18. 08:22 PM - Re: RV10 Doors Video (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
19. 10:56 PM - RV10 Flyoff time (ddddsp1@juno.com)
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We are definitely going to make it to Oshkosh this year and hired an RV
(with 4 wheels and beds) if it is possible to make a reservation at
"RV10 headquarters" it would be more than nice.
We could use some help to show us around Oshkosh for the first time.
Henkjan van der Zouw
Netherlands
www.zme.nl
RV10 #40355 finishing
Do not archive
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Tim Olson
Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2007 22:21
Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: RV10-List: OSH dates ?
So far I've left the OSH list in standby, since we're still over a month
away, but I'm prepping to get camping stuff straight ahead of time, so
people can reserve a site at what some call the "RV-10 Headquarters".
It won't be long until I start getting it updated for 2007. I just need
to sit down and start working on it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> OK I need to make arrangements for OSH and would like to time my stay
> (aprox 3 days) to coincide with as many of you as possible. Right now
> I'm thinking about Tues 7/24, Wed, and Thurs 7/26. What's everybody
> elses plans?
> Tim is it time to re open the OSH attendance list on your site?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff. (I swear the fiberglass stuff never
> ends!)
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: off list communications |
I am glad I asked a stupid question.
Usually very easy for me.
Larry
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> My point exactly, as to what is the correct way to put it on. What you
> perceive as backwards is in fact the correct aerodynamic arrangement,
> with all the swept "jet" like tails being ineffective, requiring much
> bigger surface area to do the job. Rudder needs to have hinge line
> perpendicular to the airflow at the stall, which apparently only Al
> Mooney recognized. The Mooney rudder is much smaller than most any
> aircraft of its size and wt, including the -10. Makes for smaller
> tail, less wt, less structure to support, etc. How many piston powered
> fighters ever had swept tails? A big fat zero as far as I know. How
> many piston singles made 1960-1980 have swept tails...something more
> than 80 percent. How dumb is that? BTW, nothing says you can't have a
> quick build tail...just get yerself a salvage Mooney tail and put it
> on, so you don't look like every other RV on the planet. Or if you
> wanna go cheap, get a tail from a Lark Commander...same thing, just
> costs less. (very TIC)
>
> And what ever you do,
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> On 6/8/07, Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I thought that if you put it on backwards it will be 10kts faster.
>> Larry
>>
>> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> >
>> > Jess bee shure ya put the tail on right. Other wise it will be 10kts
>> > slower.
>> > Moooney driver ;-p
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/8/07, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I for one am glad to expose my lack of experience and ignorance for
>> >> all to
>> >> see! I'm ecstatic that there's a bunch of smart people who'll point
>> >> me in
>> >> the right direction. Even if they don't do it gently I got thick
>> >> skin.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ps: The wings go on the top right?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> cj
>> >>
>> >> exposing my creamy nougat center
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> John Dunne
>> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:26 PM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
>> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well said Gary. It has been said before and even "archived" that a
>> >> percentage of lurkers on the list tend to stay in the background (or
>> >> have
>> >> drifted into the shade) due to an unwillingness to expose their
>> lack of
>> >> knowledge or a fear of verbal ablation on certain topics.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> There's sometimes a feeling this list is being policed for less
>> >> articulated
>> >> comments or holes in opinions and knowledge and this takes the shine
>> >> off.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I came to this list because I knew nothing about building an aircraft
>> >> and
>> >> for the most part it has been very helpful.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's been a challenge to research all the opinions on all the varied
>> >> topics
>> >> and I hope my knowledge has been expanded but what I was hoping for
>> >> was more
>> >> a list for first timers like myself. The excellent web sites of the
>> >> fantastic efforts of some have really expanded the functionality
>> of this
>> >> list but it would be good to have a lot more basic "stuff" on this
>> >> central
>> >> bulletin board.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I like the "dumb" nuts and bolts questions and would like to see
>> more.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Leave the do not archive protocol for soap box statements. Everything
>> >> else
>> >> is good fodder.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John 40315
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:43 AM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Subject: RV10-List: off list communications
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It doesn't take long hanging around this list to get the feeling that
>> >> there
>> >> are more than a few 'Double Dumb" experts out there. (Those who
>> are too
>> >> dumb to know that they are dumb.) I know this sounds offensive, I
>> don't
>> >> mean it to be. I have seen numerous occasions where suggestions from
>> >> Tech
>> >> Counselors, DAR's and repeat offenders have been pooh-poohed
>> because the
>> >> "EXPERT" knows better, even though this is the first time he is
>> >> building or
>> >> in some cases he is not even building.
>> >>
>> >> This list needs diversity of opinion. It needs to tap the
>> experience of
>> >> those who have gone before. This is how all of us learned the first
>> >> time.
>> >> I to, hope that those who have left the list will return. I also
>> >> admonish
>> >> those whose experience is on the thin side, to refrain from blanket
>> >> statements and condemnation of those who differ in thought, and
>> lets all
>> >> loose the "know it all" attitude. This is a forum for evaluating
>> ideas.
>> >> There is no one way to do things, but each way has its good points
>> >> and its
>> >> bad points. One person may choose method A because, in his
>> >> evaluation of
>> >> the issues, the down sides do not impact him the way they might
>> >> person B who
>> >> chooses another method.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We builders and pilots have attributes that make us successful at
>> >> flying and
>> >> building. Strong self confidence, self starting, roll up your shirt
>> >> sleeves
>> >> and let's get going attitude. However the ego and the jump right in
>> >> and do
>> >> it attitude can be offensive. I for one, would hate to see this list
>> >> loose
>> >> its primary talent because we cannot or will not be tolerant of
>> >> others. No
>> >> matter how good you are, there is someone better.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If I have offended you I apologize. My only aim is to make this list
>> >> all
>> >> that it can be.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >> 40274
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> John W. Cox
>> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:58 PM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do List.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment right?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of the
>> >> builders
>> >> were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must
>> >> reluctantly cede
>> >> to their wishes to communicate away from all the negative feedback.
>> >> I have
>> >> posted this concern before total subject posts and responses are
>> down
>> >> considerably and is a trend which needs positive correction.
>> Jesse has
>> >> taken over the RV-10 list as the "now defacto" expert on all pilot
>> >> operations, builder operations and component expert as well. As
>> >> several
>> >> have mentioned offline, they cannot find a pilot certificate,
>> repairman
>> >> certificate or any formal training for such a basis of wisdom from
>> his
>> >> youthful posts. Even Dan Checkoway has left the list from posting
>> his
>> >> wisdom.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about to
>> >> proseal
>> >> the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this weekend.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line
>> >> Maintenance
>> >> or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We are
>> >> undergoing
>> >> "Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen Window
>> >> Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a Service
>> >> Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off for
>> >> OSH so I
>> >> am now officially going.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> 600
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Do not archive
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> John Jessen
>> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions
>> being
>> >> placed back online!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
>> >> someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us
>> >> folks not
>> >> in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them
>> >> online.
>> >> We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an
>> opinion.
>> >> Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice about
>> >> that
>> >> opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because I'm not
>> yet
>> >> confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say something
>> about
>> >> deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that I have an
>> >> opinion
>> >> every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET compass, but
>> it is
>> >> pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go south, although I
>> >> think
>> >> a battery back up would be better.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
>> >> knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
>> >> following this list.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John J
>> >>
>> >> #328
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> do not archive
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> John W. Cox
>> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>> >>
>> >> Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity.
>> >> Those that
>> >> do . should not use "Do not Archive".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out
>> the
>> >> advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they
>> >> were,
>> >> builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just lurkers
>> >> who
>> >> find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a courtesy to
>> >> those few
>> >> readers who actually resort to searching the archives. Tim and I
>> >> have used
>> >> it extensively and I apologize for those times when I forget. Its
>> >> misuse
>> >> may have something to do with why the quality traffic has dropped so
>> >> abruptly and much valuable discussion is now taking place "Offline".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This one is not for the records.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John Cox -#40600
>> >>
>> >> Do not Archive.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> JSMcGrew@aol.com
>> >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice
>> to be
>> >> able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Jim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 40134
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >> ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
>> >> have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> See what's free at AOL.com.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>
>> >>
>> >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>
>> >>
>> >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - The RV10-List Email Forum -
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> >>
>> >> - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> >>
>> >> --> http://forums.matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >> - The RV10-List Email Forum -
>> >> to browse
>> >> Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
>> >> much more:
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> >> - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
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I am migrating to the RV10 from a Cessna 182. I have owned two previous planes,
and installed in both the PAI vertical card compass and plan to do so in this
plane also. It is a superbly reliable and simple instrument - cost $300. I would
not fly without it. I had a total electrical failure in my 182 over the desert
of Nevada (CAVU conditions). My 182 had a vacuum system gyro and DG.
I can assure you that it would be a lot easier to just fly the reciprocal of your
course after a TEF in the RV10 with a PAI. I would not own an airplane without
one. Just for kicks try flying away from a strange airport for 15-20 mikes
then try to get back to that airport with a Wal_Mart compass.... gooood luck
--------
OSH '08 or Bust
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117440#117440
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Just finalized our plans last night. Judy and I will fly out Sun am 7/22
and meet Rick Sked @ ORD, pickup a rental car and then drive up to Mike
Sausen's BBQ. We're all staying at a home that Patrick and I stayed at
last year on the lake about 10 mins from OSH. Well be there thru 7/25 w/
an 8pm flight back to PHX from ORD.
Deems
Judy want to know if Tana is going to stay for some of OSH (She's hoping
so! as 3 day's of shadowing me talking airplanes will be a stretch for her)
John W. Cox wrote:
>
> I won't be offering apologies on the public RV-10 list but the Private
> (John Jessen) made Public post was to respond to a deep concern Rick
> Sked had about the direction of the list. To you however... I apologize
> for the wasted band-width.
>
> I am off Thursday through Sunday, then vacation Sunday night through
> Thursday, then off again Friday and Saturday July 19 through the 29th.
> My plan is to fly Tana to Chicago for the weekend of Thur/Fri/Sat - July
> 19,20 and 21. I want to attend the Mike Sausen Barbeque on Sunday the
> 22nd. I don't know if Tana will attend. Then I am hitting OSH on
> Mon/Tues/Wed/Thursday - July 23,24,25 and 26 with a flight home from ORD
> on Friday.
>
> Have not yet heard from Cascade Warbirds on the OSH house. I will
> contact the owner direct to confirm availability. It is usually $250
> for the entire week from Monday through the following Sunday. I always
> split by Friday because when using Standby, I might never get home once
> the pilgrimage ends. I will have a rental car with a large ice-cooler
> in the trunk for snacks and beverages.
>
> Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday are for sure. I have not yet paid Bob
> Collins for the RV Barbeque on Wednesday or the VANS on Thursday.
> Everything is up in the air.
>
> John
>
>
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I also had a PAI vertical card compass in my C182 and occasionally even looked
at it :-). The total electrical failure scenario has a much more elegant and
useful antidote these days than a whiskey compass, and that is a Garmin 396/496,
which automatically switches over to its internal battery (thereby immediately
alerting you that you have an electrical system failure), while giving you
a full navigation and situational awareness display (including weather if you
have that setup), and if needed a little GPS derived six pack of instruments
to replace the ones that are now spinning down due to no juice. This is why my
RV-10 panel has a panel mounted GPS396 immediately next to the dual GRT EFIS
displays. A wonderful little save-your-bacon backup.
-Dan Masys
RV-10 N104LD - registration just received from the FAA yesterday!
RV-7A N747DL
---- AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> I am migrating to the RV10 from a Cessna 182. I have owned two previous planes,
and installed in both the PAI vertical card compass and plan to do so in this
plane also. It is a superbly reliable and simple instrument - cost $300. I
would not fly without it. I had a total electrical failure in my 182 over the
desert of Nevada (CAVU conditions). My 182 had a vacuum system gyro and DG.
>
> I can assure you that it would be a lot easier to just fly the reciprocal of
your course after a TEF in the RV10 with a PAI. I would not own an airplane without
one. Just for kicks try flying away from a strange airport for 15-20 mikes
then try to get back to that airport with a Wal_Mart compass.... gooood luck
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117440#117440
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Sounds like there will be quite a crowd this year! Don't worry about this being
the first visit, a friend of mine will also be attending for the first time.
If all goes well he'll be a freshly minted private pilot. Jay, Sean and I have
all been talking to him and he's also very close to officially joining the
builder's club!
Bob #40105
Finishing: the closer I get the longer my "to do" list gets...
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| Subject: | off list communications |
No wonder things weren't fitting right, I was looking at a picture of the Osprey.
Heh
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
I thought that if you put it on backwards it will be 10kts faster.
Larry
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Jess bee shure ya put the tail on right. Other wise it will be 10kts
> slower.
> Moooney driver ;-p
>
>
> On 6/8/07, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I for one am glad to expose my lack of experience and ignorance for
>> all to
>> see! I'm ecstatic that there's a bunch of smart people who'll point
>> me in
>> the right direction. Even if they don't do it gently... I got thick
>> skin.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ps: The wings go on the top right?
>>
>>
>>
>> cj
>>
>> exposing my creamy nougat center
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> John Dunne
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: off list communications
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Well said Gary. It has been said before and even "archived" that a
>> percentage of lurkers on the list tend to stay in the background (or
>> have
>> drifted into the shade) due to an unwillingness to expose their lack of
>> knowledge or a fear of verbal ablation on certain topics.
>>
>>
>> There's sometimes a feeling this list is being policed for less
>> articulated
>> comments or holes in opinions and knowledge and this takes the shine
>> off.
>>
>>
>> I came to this list because I knew nothing about building an aircraft
>> and
>> for the most part it has been very helpful.
>>
>>
>> It's been a challenge to research all the opinions on all the varied
>> topics
>> and I hope my knowledge has been expanded but what I was hoping for
>> was more
>> a list for first timers like myself. The excellent web sites of the
>> fantastic efforts of some have really expanded the functionality of this
>> list but it would be good to have a lot more basic "stuff" on this
>> central
>> bulletin board.
>>
>>
>> I like the "dumb" nuts and bolts questions and would like to see more.
>>
>>
>> Leave the do not archive protocol for soap box statements. Everything
>> else
>> is good fodder.
>>
>>
>> John 40315
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: gary
>>
>>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:43 AM
>>
>>
>> Subject: RV10-List: off list communications
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It doesn't take long hanging around this list to get the feeling that
>> there
>> are more than a few 'Double Dumb" experts out there. (Those who are too
>> dumb to know that they are dumb.) I know this sounds offensive, I don't
>> mean it to be. I have seen numerous occasions where suggestions from
>> Tech
>> Counselors, DAR's and repeat offenders have been pooh-poohed because the
>> "EXPERT" knows better, even though this is the first time he is
>> building or
>> in some cases he is not even building.
>>
>> This list needs diversity of opinion. It needs to tap the experience of
>> those who have gone before. This is how all of us learned the first
>> time.
>> I to, hope that those who have left the list will return. I also
>> admonish
>> those whose experience is on the thin side, to refrain from blanket
>> statements and condemnation of those who differ in thought, and lets all
>> loose the "know it all" attitude. This is a forum for evaluating ideas.
>> There is no one way to do things, but each way has its good points
>> and its
>> bad points. One person may choose method A because, in his
>> evaluation of
>> the issues, the down sides do not impact him the way they might
>> person B who
>> chooses another method.
>>
>>
>>
>> We builders and pilots have attributes that make us successful at
>> flying and
>> building. Strong self confidence, self starting, roll up your shirt
>> sleeves
>> and let's get going attitude. However the ego and the jump right in
>> and do
>> it attitude can be offensive. I for one, would hate to see this list
>> loose
>> its primary talent because we cannot or will not be tolerant of
>> others. No
>> matter how good you are, there is someone better.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I have offended you I apologize. My only aim is to make this list
>> all
>> that it can be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> 40274
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> John W. Cox
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:58 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you in town this weekend? I am catching up on my Honey Do List.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those Rivet Head parts need a home and payment... right?
>>
>>
>>
>> Offline as needed. "Do not Archive" as needed. Wish fewer of the
>> builders
>> were posting offline but I understand the dynamic and must
>> reluctantly cede
>> to their wishes to communicate away from all the negative feedback.
>> I have
>> posted this concern before - total subject posts and responses are down
>> considerably and is a trend which needs positive correction. Jesse has
>> taken over the RV-10 list as the "now defacto" expert on all pilot
>> operations, builder operations and component expert as well. As
>> several
>> have mentioned offline, they cannot find a pilot certificate, repairman
>> certificate or any formal training for such a basis of wisdom from his
>> youthful posts. Even Dan Checkoway has left the list from posting his
>> wisdom.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope you are making progress on your kit. Paul and I am about to
>> proseal
>> the aft lower fuselage skin onto the main fuselage this weekend.
>>
>>
>>
>> Work is just that, I am either moving from Heavy Check into Line
>> Maintenance
>> or to Quality Control Inspection in the next few months. We are
>> undergoing
>> "Lean Training" from an efficiency expert from Andersen Window
>> Manufacturing. Now if you can explain how that will help a Service
>> Business, I am all ears. The company has approved my week off for
>> OSH so I
>> am now officially going.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> 600
>>
>>
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> John Jessen
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, you know what? How about some of those quality discussions being
>> placed back online!
>>
>>
>>
>> If there are good points that need making or that are being made that
>> someone is privy to that would help this list, especially for us
>> folks not
>> in the, apparently many, offline discussions, then please, get them
>> online.
>> We need folks to learn, and part of learning is to put forth an opinion.
>> Part of learning is to then have an expert respond with advice about
>> that
>> opinion. I don't typically say anything technical because I'm not yet
>> confident or experienced enough (well, I now might say something about
>> deburrrrrring), but that doesn't mitigate the fact that I have an
>> opinion
>> every once in awhile, such as NO you don't need a WET compass, but it is
>> pretty a pretty fail safe instrument when others go south, although I
>> think
>> a battery back up would be better.
>>
>>
>>
>> Get the conversations online. There are too many of us who need the
>> knowledge. We especially need expert opinions, and there are experts
>> following this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok, rant over. Back to earning a living.
>>
>>
>>
>> John J
>>
>> #328
>>
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> John W. Cox
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:41 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>>
>> Not all conversation merits archival techniques into perpetuity.
>> Those that
>> do .... should not use "Do not Archive".
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been told offline that everyone on this list can filter out the
>> advice of those who are not pilots but try to give advice as if they
>> were,
>> builders who do not hold a repairman certificate, or are just lurkers
>> who
>> find the discussions of interest. It is meant to be a courtesy to
>> those few
>> readers who actually resort to searching the archives. Tim and I
>> have used
>> it extensively and I apologize for those times when I forget. Its
>> misuse
>> may have something to do with why the quality traffic has dropped so
>> abruptly and much valuable discussion is now taking place "Offline".
>>
>>
>>
>> This one is not for the records.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Cox -#40600
>>
>> Do not Archive.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> JSMcGrew@aol.com
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:45 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Runaway trim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tell me again why we need to write Do Not Archive? It sure is nice to be
>> able to follow complete threads in the Archives.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jim
>>
>>
>> 40134
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/8/2007 11:38:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> ed@muellerartcover.com writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We all seem to get out of the habit of Do Not Archive. Would yours
>> have worked (below) or do I need to do it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> See what's free at AOL.com.
>>
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Dan, congratulations on the FAA registration.
That was sort of my question, if I have a full glass primary set up (G900X PFD/MFD)
with a dual battery system AND a Dynon 100 tied into my dual battery system
PLUS the Dynon internal battery = 3 batteries. (belt, suspenders and another
belt) Do I need a wet compass?
Robin
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| Subject: | WTB: Van's stock -10 instrument panel (F-1003A) |
Bryan
Give me a call and we can work something out, as I used Steins panel and
have the stock one left over.
Dan
N289DT RV10E
724-988-9230
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10builder
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: WTB: Van's stock -10 instrument panel (F-1003A)
Well....I started manually chopping up the stock panel and at this point
am not happy with the lack of precision :-( . Onto the CAD and jet
cutting. Any you folks out there with one of those snazzy after market
panels still have that F-1003A sitting on the shelf you would be willing
to part with at a fair price?
Contact me off list please...
rv10builder@bellsouth.net
Brian
#40308
Nashville, TN 37211
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William
One thing to realize is that the glass in the new airplanes are not the
primary instruments, rather the old round gauges are the primary and the
glass instruments are the secondary. Counter intuitive I know, but still
is.
Dan
N289DT RV10E E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Curtis
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: re: RV10-List: Wet Compass
Even though you primary EFIS with magnetometer or backup Dynon may meet
the requirement of a "Magnetic Direction indicator" in FAR 91.205 b(3),
why not put one in for when the crap hits the fan. I've seen Dynon's
"lose their minds." Look to the certified airframe manufactures, even
the G1000/Avidyne equipped airplanes include the basic "round gauge"
backups. They are cheap, they are proven. This is just my personal
opinion but the idea of backing up one piece of experimental avionics
with another would make me uncomfortable with anything but VFR flight.
The SIRs Navigator compass is especially nice:
http://www.sirsproducts.com/page3.html
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
>
> I have selected an all electric, (no round gauges) panel with a Dynon
> 100 as a backup. It looks to me to be about as nice a panel as I could
> have dreamed.
> My questions is am I REQUIRED to have a wet compass?
>
> Robin
>
>
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I am there Friday before the show. Through Monday after the show. Hope
to see everyone there.
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: OSH dates ?
OK I need to make arrangements for OSH and would like to time my stay
(aprox 3 days) to coincide with as many of you as possible. Right now
I'm thinking about Tues 7/24, Wed, and Thurs 7/26. What's everybody
elses plans?
Tim is it time to re open the OSH attendance list on your site?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff. (I swear the fiberglass stuff never
ends!)
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | A Embarrising ELT Story |
Passing this story along.....> Tim Cold Lk.
Have an "Most Embarrassing" story to tell ya all>
This morning Sat Jun 09....I noticed a red/white/ and blue airplane
buzzing my house, about two hours later I had a knock at my front
door.....It was the CAP with hand held receiver pointing at me....They
asked if I had an ELT in my possession...and I said yes I do.
I had pulled it from 299V about three months ago along with the Nav/Com
power supply and UHF Glideslope receiver. seems as the switch had
gotten flipped to the ON position yesterday when I was putting them away
with other parts removed. It was over 20 years old, in my house and
antenna not deployed....and dagum if the battery was still good. It was
a Narco Airtex model 00-10-006 with the magnesium battery...
I would have thought it would have been long gone dead...Replacement
date May 88 about the time aircraft had it's last flight...WRONG !
...Nice bunch of Civil Air Patrol young folks, I was so embarrassed
about the incident, but they thanked me for the exercise, they had
driven here from about 30 miles as well. So the moral to the story is
-------Treat them like a loaded gun....No matter how old they may
be......Like the Thorp....will give the "Bunny" a run for the
money....Too bad they can not make all batteries that good....But I know
these things do not come cheap. Just thought I'd share this with ya.
Tom A
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I also shared your concern so added a switch to disconnect power to the trim
if required. It's all by itself just above the throttle and I can hit it
pretty quick if required. As to how much force would it take to handle
would depend entirely on how fast you are. I've found the trim rate ideal
for slow speed but pretty sensitive if you are at cruise. My plan is to hit
the switch and slow down as required if it happens. I have not discovered a
means to recenter the trim if it starts to runway.
Marcus
40286
Just passed 150 hours
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Runaway Trim
One of the things that worries me about a runaway trim, is a statement to
the Australian Transport Safety Bureau regarding a near accident in an
EMB110 just over a year ago.
The Pilot in command (he had a co-pilot as well) said he couldn't let go of
the control column in order to pull the CB. The co-pilot was thus engaged as
well.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2005/aair/pdf/aair
200504340_001.pdf
What are the forces required to overcome full nose down or up trim in an
RV-10?
Has anyone tried this?
What is the safest place for the CB placement?
How to reset neutral trim?
It might have just been habit and a hang over from my early training days,
but I was always more comfortable with a trim wheel. Is anyone doing this?
John 40315 (Finishing)
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We'll be arriving 25 Jul and departing Friday morning. Plan on parking in
the camping area.
Marcus
40286
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: OSH dates ?
OK I need to make arrangements for OSH and would like to time my stay
(aprox 3 days) to coincide with as many of you as possible. Right now
I'm thinking about Tues 7/24, Wed, and Thurs 7/26. What's everybody
elses plans?
Tim is it time to re open the OSH attendance list on your site?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff. (I swear the fiberglass stuff never ends!)
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Doors Video |
robin1(at)mrmoisture.com wrote:
> Zack,
> I was actually on the site yesterday looking for this product.
> The video is fantastic, the website is... well if I can say anything
> nice I won't say anything at all.
> The site does not seem to display the door product or pricing.
> Can you inform the list as to the pricing and what is & is not included.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> --
Robin,
Dave informed me the price will be $86 for the set. The set includes 4 door
guides (you probably will have to trim the thickness because every door is different)
and 4 door pins. The pins have the same thread pattern as the threads
you already made in Van's existing door rod. They screw right in. You have
to cut the rod to length so as to not let the door pins extend past the door edge.
Then, screw and Lock-Tite them in. There is a magnet imbedded in the door
pin so you will still be able to use Van's existing door warning switch.
Zack
(Yeah, I know his website needs work, I told him about it!)
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117536#117536
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| Subject: | Need some information CHT probs |
Deems, Loctite has a Nickel based anti-seize which is good to 2400F
(which is what we use on the turbine sections). That will cover the
1400F that is encountered on the recip - exhaust tubes. I will grab you
a 1/4 oz. sample to try along with those white (non staining) Adels.
John Forsling can advise best on the torque value to install the EGT
probes into his ceramic coated tubes.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Need some information CHT probs
I'm wanting to install the CHT probes, but I can't find any information
as to what to torque them to. (oddly enough I found the info for
torquing the stainless steel bands that hold the EGT probs (45 in lbs).
Also do they get any sealant applied to the threads (anti-seize?)
Anybody got any insight here?
Deems Davis # 406
Baffling / Plenum / Engine Stuff
http://deemsrv10.com/
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Hi Robin,
FAR 91.205 says aircraft with standard airworthiness certificates need to have
a "magnetic direction indicator" for both VFR and IFR flight. Although one might
argue 91.205 doesn't apply to experimental aircraft, the simple fact is that
you will be at the mercy of the DAR who does your final inspection, and my
guess is probably the majority of DARs will have the same expectation for homebuilts
and standard aircraft, especially because most of us are building our -10's
for a cross country mission profile that looks like what folks use Cessna's,
Pipers and Mooneys for.
So putting a whiskey (or equivalent vertical card) compass in the panel or somewhere
in the pilot's sight sure seems prudent to me. (Forgot to mention I do
have a wet compass in the panel in addition to all of the fine electronic toys)
(Just got my EAA paperwork approving my application to be a Technical Counselor,
so I need to be clear about when something is just an opinion vs. a real fact.
This posting is just an opinion since I don't frankly know in detail how all
of the regs on this particular issue reference one another. So much to learn...)
-Dan Masys
---- Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com> wrote:
>
> Dan, congratulations on the FAA registration.
> That was sort of my question, if I have a full glass primary set up (G900X PFD/MFD)
with a dual battery system AND a Dynon 100 tied into my dual battery system
PLUS the Dynon internal battery = 3 batteries. (belt, suspenders and another
belt) Do I need a wet compass?
>
> Robin
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Doors Video |
Rob,
What seal did you end up using?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
do not archive
><flysrv10@gmail.com>
><snip>
> In fact, I had to get a smaller diameter seal before I
was satisfied with the
>operation.
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| Subject: | RV10 Flyoff time |
I wanted to pass on a quick note to those interested in how my DAR
check and Flyoff went. I got DAR approval on Tues at 2:30. We put all
the fairings and inspection covers on and I was in the air at 4:30. I
flew 2.7 hours that day and developed a LOW oil pressure issue. I
called the engine builder on Wednesday to discuss it and he said is
needed a new spring and ball in the pressure adjustment cap. He Fedex
it to me on Thursday at noon. Come to find out what I really needed
was an aluminum SEAT washer that the pressure check ball fits into.
That SEAT came loose and fell out.........which is NOT suppose to
happen. The oil was leaking around the seat and registering LOW
pressure. After fully inspecting the motor to confirm it was NOT
making metal we FLEW a Baron to Omaha, NE to get the new SEAT, flew
home and the landing gear would not go down!!!!!
PLUS it burned 50 Gals. of fuel in 60 minutes. After cranking the
gear down and doing a fly by to verify it was down..........I got the
new seat in the plane. Viola.....66 PSI oil.........winds were 36 mph
45 degrees to the runway...........UP I went. I flew 3.6 hours in very
gusty conditions.........one landing I had full RUDDER and a 48 MPH GS
. I thought my ankle was gonna break with those gusts hitting the
rudder.......then you have to get it taxied with that nose castering in
the wind!
Friday was a good day..............9.0 hours flown..........Saturday
was great also..............flew 9.2 hours for a total of 25 hours in 4
days!!!!!! Oh yea......today we had a HOT mag....the P lead broke off.
I am now gonna go get some sleep.........until SUNRISE...........then I
have a few friends that want a RIDE!
I still find it hard to believe we got this bird flying and done
(painted with wheel pants)in less than 2 years. Oh
yea........VFR........no Wet Compass yet. But I still would buy a good
handheld GPS before a $250 compass (JMHO)
If you are building ,.........keep bucking it is all WORTH IT! This
plane is UNBELEIVABLE in the air! See you all at OSH '07. Thanks
to all on this list who helped with friendly advice and counsel. I also
wanna thank those who MOTIVATED us to build a great plane on a BUDGET.
It can be done and done very respectably. :) Ask me AND Van! I did
spring for seat covers though unlike Vans plastic, over foam, wrapped
in Duct tape.
Dean 40449
Officially a member of the RV10 Flying family. WOW!
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