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1. 06:33 AM - Re: brake / fuel line fittings nut torque (Rick)
2. 06:42 AM - ADI Pilot (Chris Hukill)
3. 07:01 AM - Re: brake / fuel line fittings nut torque (Ronald L Owen)
4. 08:10 AM - Re: brake / fuel line fittings nut torque (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
5. 08:17 AM - Re: Need some information CHT probs (Ronald L Owen)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: Need some information CHT probs (Ronald L Owen)
7. 11:03 AM - Re: ADI Pilot (Dan Masys)
8. 12:59 PM - Mic Noise (Scott Schmidt)
9. 01:19 PM - Re: OSH dates ? (johngoodman)
10. 01:20 PM - Re: Mic Noise (Tim Olson)
11. 05:50 PM - Re: RV10 Doors Video (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
12. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Wet Compass (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
13. 06:45 PM - packed up (Robert Wright)
14. 07:04 PM - Re: packed up (Sean Stephens)
15. 07:11 PM - Re: packed up (John Jessen)
16. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Flared fitting sealants AN8xx- (Ronald L Owen)
17. 08:09 PM - Bottom wing skin rivets (ddnebert)
18. 08:28 PM - brake/fuel line fittings (Ronald L Owen)
19. 08:55 PM - Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (Tim Olson)
20. 09:12 PM - Re: Mic Noise (DejaVu)
21. 10:11 PM - Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (Jeff Carpenter)
22. 11:19 PM - Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (Michael Wellenzohn)
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| Subject: | brake / fuel line fittings nut torque |
LOL....well not if the molecules of air are larger than that of the brake fluid
taking into consideration of the expansion of the air (mostly nitrogen) molecules
under vacuum vs. the size of the brake fluid molecules under pressure.
After all the fuel tank leak physics must apply somewhere in this too right? ;D
Rick S.
40185
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Last week I posted a question about my non working G/S in my newly
installed upgraded RV8 panel. Thanks for all the suggestions!. Bob
Archer said I might be "loosely connected" as the problem. Rather than
take offense at this, I asked for an explanation, and he said the BNC
center pin may not be fully seated in the connector. Well the only
connector that was not installed on the bench, but rather behind the
panel, sure enough was loosely connected, a result of the difficult
access. After changing that out, the system works perfectly, that is the
wingtip antenna, with splitter to the G430 VLOC and G/S has a nice
strong signal.
NOW for the really good news. It turns out the TruTrak ADI pilot
autopilot not only flys the GPS approaches just fine, but it flys the
ILS localizer right down the center of the runway. Of course it's really
flying the GPS overlay, but it's the same course, with the same
accuracy. The CDI shows you the LOC, but the ADI Pilot looks at the GPS.
This is perfectly legal to do despite the fact that the TruTrak people
told me it wouldn't fly a GPS approach without roll steering. Of course
they are talking a full procedure turn, or holding pattern entry, but
for vectors to final it'll do the job. So anyone on a tight budget might
want to consider this (G430 and ADI Pilot) solution as a very capable
"punch the summer stratus" system.
Chris Hukill
Back to work on the 10
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| Subject: | Re: brake / fuel line fittings nut torque |
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| Subject: | brake / fuel line fittings nut torque |
A set of crows foot wrenches will enable you to do this.
Dan
N289DT RV10E E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake / fuel line fittings nut torque
I recently bought a torque wrench for sockets. I don't see how it would
work on a line fitting. Does this require a different type of torque
wrench?
JSMcGrew@aol.com wrote:
> I think the torque values are listed in my copy of Standard Aircraft
> Handbook for Mechanics and Technicians. I don't have access to it
> right now so I can't tell you what it says.
>
> I used those values and ended up with some leaks so I tightened them
> "Just tight enough that it won't leak" and then started the practice
> of "Just snug it up and check for leaks". With further experience with
> a particularly annoying brake line leak, I found "tightening and
> loosening the nut several times before torquing it helped to achieve a
> tight seal". So there is one more comment to add to the list.
>
> -Jim
> 40134
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I have a TruTrak Digiflight 2 with GPS steering connected to a UPS GX60 approach
certified GPS, and also an SL30 in the panel of my -7A. I commonly fly the
GPS overlay on the ILS to my home airport, while watching the ILS needles from
the SL30, and I think you will find that the GPS guidance isn't always down the
centerline, but always close enough when you break out (even at minimums) so
that you can make a normal landing. GPS retains whatever its native error is
at all positions in the approach path, whereas the ILS course guidance gets
more precise as you approach decision height.
Not a big deal for most approaches but it can be a bit disconcerting the first
time you descend through a low overcast flying an ILS overly and break out expecting
to see the "rabbit" lights directly in front of you, but instead they are
off to one side or the other.
-Dan Masys
40448 paint - (yuk :( )
---- Chris Hukill <cjhukill@cox.net> wrote:
> NOW for the really good news. It turns out the TruTrak ADI pilot autopilot not
only flys the GPS approaches just fine, but it flys the ILS localizer right
down the center of the runway. Of course it's really flying the GPS overlay,
but it's the same course, with the same accuracy. The CDI shows you the LOC, but
the ADI Pilot looks at the GPS. This is perfectly legal to do despite the fact
that the TruTrak people told me it wouldn't fly a GPS approach without roll
steering. Of course they are talking a full procedure turn, or holding pattern
entry, but for vectors to final it'll do the job. So anyone on a tight budget
might want to consider this (G430 and ADI Pilot) solution as a very capable
"punch the summer stratus" system.
>
> Chris Hukill
> Back to work on the 10
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I learned something today about my audio panel. When I fly with 4 people in the
RV-10 I get aircraft noise turning on the headset mic. I have the PS 8000B
and I can tell that the auto-squelch is adjusting the squelch between the front
seats then the back seats, then front seats and it is quite annoying. I read
in the manual about purchasing new mic covers from Oregon Aero to help this
issue and called them too. They said the new mic covers should fix the problem.
You would think that Bose would make a descent mic cover for $1000.
Anyway, if you experience the same issues you may want to look into this. The
covers were $13 each.
http://www.oregonaero.com/p62_2001.html#micmuff
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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I'll be there Sun thru Wed. Flying into MSP then a rental car. On a standby list
for a dorm; otherwise a quick run to a big box store for a tent. Hope to meet
some of you guys/gals.
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Scott,
You want to call Joe Tesini at Bose. 508-766-5998
There is a long story to the Mic's but with the PMA8000
and the Bose headsets the mic can be too hot for and break
squelch too easily. They use a GenTex Mic on the original
headsets, but they have one or two other versions of mic
that they can retrofit on your headset that work better
with that intercom. You can still use the Oregon Aero
Mic Muffs, but the mic will be the fix. I had squelch
breaking (mostly in summer with vents on) last year
around OSH. I bought 4 muffs, and that didn't help.
Then, Joe got all 4 of my Mics swapped and I was able to
get by without the muff. With the kids in the back seat
they don't pay attention to airflows, so they can still
break squelch, so I may put the muffs on again just
because of them. You need to use one on each headset.
But, that info above should get you what you need for
a better fix.
PS, I think mic's with a -3 on the serial plate are the
ones affected.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I learned something today about my audio panel. When I fly with 4
> people in the RV-10 I get aircraft noise turning on the headset mic.
> I have the PS 8000B and I can tell that the auto-squelch is adjusting
> the squelch between the front seats then the back seats, then front
> seats and it is quite annoying. I read in the manual about purchasing
> new mic covers from Oregon Aero to help this issue and called them too.
> They said the new mic covers should fix the problem. You would think
> that Bose would make a descent mic cover for $1000.
>
> Anyway, if you experience the same issues you may want to look into
> this. The covers were $13 each.
> http://www.oregonaero.com/p62_2001.html#micmuff
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Doors Video |
Rob,
Thanks for the info.
Kevin
40494
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----- Original Message Follows -----
<flysrv10@gmail.com>
>
>Kevin, I used Bulb seal, Item BA-1900010 from Brown
>Aircraft Supply in Jacksonville, FL. 904-396-6655. The
>only thing I don't like about it is that it leaves a
>black mark that I clean once in a while. However, the
>doors operate nicely and they are sealed. You also need
>Rubber and Gasket Adhesive by 3M, part 1300L to attach this
> thing.
>
>You may want to get their one page catalog and make your
>own determination. I think that they only sell door
>seals.
>
>Rob.
>
>On Jun 9, 2007, at 11:21 PM, kilopapa@antelecom.net wrote:
>
>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> What seal did you end up using?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
>> 40494
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Curtis,
See page 65 of the June issue of Sport Aviation and the
reply by Tech Counselor Sam Buchanan for another take on the
application of Part 91 to aircraft with Experimental
Operating Limitations.
Kevin
40494
><wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
>Should be no argument about part 91 applying to
>experimentals. ALL of FAR part 91 applies to experimentals
>, it's the part 23 that does not. As another message
>indicated, for the certified aircraft with glass panels,
>the steam gauges are primary and the EFIS are secondary.
>They must have good reason for doing this and unless one
>has data showing otherwise, I'd follow their model.
>
>William
>http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>> <dmasys@cox.net>
>> Hi Robin,
>>
>> FAR 91.205 says aircraft with standard airworthiness
>certificates need to have a "magnetic direction indicator"
>for both VFR and IFR flight. Although one might argue
>91.205 doesn't apply to experimental aircraft, the simple
>fact is that you will be at the mercy of the DAR who does
>your final inspection, and my guess is probably the
>majority of DARs will have the same expectation for
>homebuilts and standard aircraft, especially because most
>of us are building our -10's for a cross country mission
>profile that looks like what folks use Cessna's, Pipers and
>> Mooneys for.
>> So putting a whiskey (or equivalent vertical card)
>compass in the panel or somewhere in the pilot's sight
>sure seems prudent to me. (Forgot to mention I do have a
>wet compass in the panel in addition to all of the fine
>> electronic toys)
>> (Just got my EAA paperwork approving my application to be
>a Technical Counselor, so I need to be clear about when
>something is just an opinion vs. a real fact. This posting
>is just an opinion since I don't frankly know in detail how
>all of the regs on this particular issue reference one
>> another. So much to learn...)
>> -Dan Masys
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Listers,
the time has come, and my whole workshop and airplane and on a Budget truck and
car hauler. I'm really dejected with having to have such a large break in building,
but I know on the other end with my new job I'll be able to work 3 months
straight on it when I'm not on a job. Not to mention that I also won't have
to share a hangar like I've been doing.
Anyway, John J and others who've gone before me in the buildus interruptus and
moving the shop to a new location please keep me in mind, especially while I'm
on the 7 hour drive tomorrow to make it safely and without Jessie's learning
experience of wearing a hole in a wing skin.
Lots of stops to check on things.
Rob Wright
#392
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I moved my kit from Phoenix, AZ to Crystal Lake, IL last July 4th.
Still not started again, but getting close to having the garage,
errrr... Plane Factory all setup again. I know how you feel. Can't
wait to get started again myself. Of course that was a little longer
than a 7 hour drive. :)
-Sean (#40303 - still waiting to finish wings, starting IFR training
soon so I am allowed to put the avionics I desire in my panel. Heh)
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On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Robert Wright wrote:
> Listers,
>
> the time has come, and my whole workshop and airplane and on a
> Budget truck and car hauler. I'm really dejected with having to
> have such a large break in building, but I know on the other end
> with my new job I'll be able to work 3 months straight on it when
> I'm not on a job. Not to mention that I also won't have to share a
> hangar like I've been doing.
>
> Anyway, John J and others who've gone before me in the buildus
> interruptus and moving the shop to a new location please keep me in
> mind, especially while I'm on the 7 hour drive tomorrow to make it
> safely and without Jessie's learning experience of wearing a hole
> in a wing skin.
>
> Lots of stops to check on things.
>
> Rob Wright
> #392
>
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Robert, best of luck. I'm still deep into the BI, and probably won't emerge
until August, but it's a journey, as you are now clearly on. Might as well
enjoy every part of it! Building and thinking about building!
Hang in there.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Wright
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: packed up
Listers,
the time has come, and my whole workshop and airplane and on a Budget truck
and car hauler. I'm really dejected with having to have such a large break
in building, but I know on the other end with my new job I'll be able to
work 3 months straight on it when I'm not on a job. Not to mention that I
also won't have to share a hangar like I've been doing.
Anyway, John J and others who've gone before me in the buildus interruptus
and moving the shop to a new location please keep me in mind, especially
while I'm on the 7 hour drive tomorrow to make it safely and without
Jessie's learning experience of wearing a hole in a wing skin.
Lots of stops to check on things.
Rob Wright
#392
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| Subject: | Re: Flared fitting sealants AN8xx- |
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| Subject: | Bottom wing skin rivets |
I am finishing up the wings on my slow-build -10 wing kit. The instructions for
riveting on the bottom skins seem like it will be awkward, difficult to buck,
even harder to check, and ultimately of questionable quality. Vans recommends
the solid rivets for most of the skins (though the RV-12 uses mostly blind rivets)
but suggested that the MK-139-BS style blind rivets would be comparable.
Does anyone see any harm in using these flush blind rivets on the bottom skins
of the RV-10 wings? Aside from the cost ($80) it seems to me a better quality
and easier solution than the bucked rivets.
--------
RV-10 Builder #40546
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| Subject: | brake/fuel line fittings |
I just wanted to let people know that I have a product called E-Z turn.
They are in 2 oz. canisters. Plenty to do your RV fuel lines, oil lines
and hydrolic lines. I also have 1 lb. cans for those who would like a
life time supply. I will sale these at cost plus shipping. This
product is perfect for that extra added sealing. Aircraft Spruse also
carry's it. If anyone is interested in this product please let me know.
Thanks for the great forum
Ron Owen
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom wing skin rivets |
Nah, it ain't that bad. After riveting a tailcone the wings aren't
too tough. It's much harder to drill out blind rivets in the
future too.
Tim
ddnebert wrote:
>
> I am finishing up the wings on my slow-build -10 wing kit. The instructions for
riveting on the bottom skins seem like it will be awkward, difficult to buck,
even harder to check, and ultimately of questionable quality. Vans recommends
the solid rivets for most of the skins (though the RV-12 uses mostly blind
rivets) but suggested that the MK-139-BS style blind rivets would be comparable.
>
> Does anyone see any harm in using these flush blind rivets on the bottom skins
of the RV-10 wings? Aside from the cost ($80) it seems to me a better quality
and easier solution than the bucked rivets.
>
> --------
> RV-10 Builder #40546
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118534#118534
>
>
>
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I don't have Bose headsets and my PMA8000 does the same. I don't like that
the squelch is not pilot-controllable.
I think the real fix should be in the audio panel.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mic Noise
>
>
>
> Scott,
>
> You want to call Joe Tesini at Bose. 508-766-5998
> There is a long story to the Mic's but with the PMA8000
> and the Bose headsets the mic can be too hot for and break
> squelch too easily. They use a GenTex Mic on the original
> headsets, but they have one or two other versions of mic
> that they can retrofit on your headset that work better
> with that intercom. You can still use the Oregon Aero
> Mic Muffs, but the mic will be the fix. I had squelch
> breaking (mostly in summer with vents on) last year
> around OSH. I bought 4 muffs, and that didn't help.
> Then, Joe got all 4 of my Mics swapped and I was able to
> get by without the muff. With the kids in the back seat
> they don't pay attention to airflows, so they can still
> break squelch, so I may put the muffs on again just
> because of them. You need to use one on each headset.
>
> But, that info above should get you what you need for
> a better fix.
>
> PS, I think mic's with a -3 on the serial plate are the
> ones affected.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Scott Schmidt wrote:
>> I learned something today about my audio panel. When I fly with 4 people
>> in the RV-10 I get aircraft noise turning on the headset mic. I have the
>> PS 8000B and I can tell that the auto-squelch is adjusting the squelch
>> between the front seats then the back seats, then front seats and it is
>> quite annoying. I read in the manual about purchasing new mic covers
>> from Oregon Aero to help this issue and called them too. They said the
>> new mic covers should fix the problem. You would think that Bose would
>> make a descent mic cover for $1000. Anyway, if you experience the same
>> issues you may want to look into this. The covers were $13 each.
>> http://www.oregonaero.com/p62_2001.html#micmuff
>> Scott Schmidt
>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom wing skin rivets |
I finished my bottom skins last week... after living in fear of it
for a few weeks, found in much easier than I expected. Took about 10
hours for the first one and a little under 7 for the 2nd.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:09 PM, ddnebert wrote:
>
> I am finishing up the wings on my slow-build -10 wing kit. The
> instructions for riveting on the bottom skins seem like it will be
> awkward, difficult to buck, even harder to check, and ultimately of
> questionable quality. Vans recommends the solid rivets for most of
> the skins (though the RV-12 uses mostly blind rivets) but suggested
> that the MK-139-BS style blind rivets would be comparable.
>
> Does anyone see any harm in using these flush blind rivets on the
> bottom skins of the RV-10 wings? Aside from the cost ($80) it seems
> to me a better quality and easier solution than the bucked rivets.
>
> --------
> RV-10 Builder #40546
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118534#118534
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom wing skin rivets |
I riveted the botom wing last monday and its takes a full day but it works. YOu
can check the quality of the rivets if you press the finger on the shop head
(the one you made) and compare the imprint on your finger with the gauge if you
cant reach in.
YOu might find yourself in a little arkward position when riveting the rear spar,
see picture.
Michael
http://www.wellenzohn.net
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