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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Mic Noise (Tim Olson)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (DejaVu)
3. 07:11 AM - Re: packed up (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 07:15 AM - Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 07:40 AM - Bottom wing skin rivets (Jay Brinkmeyer)
6. 08:19 AM - Re: Mic Noise (Scott Schmidt)
7. 10:03 AM - Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (ddnebert)
8. 10:48 AM - Re: packed up (Jon Reining)
9. 10:52 AM - Re: Mic Noise (Jon Reining)
10. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (Jesse Saint)
12. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (Vernon Smith)
13. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: Wet Compass (William Curtis)
14. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets (John Jessen)
15. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: Wet Compass (Dan Masys)
16. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Wet Compass (Jason J. Ellingson)
17. 04:19 PM - ADI Pilot (Chris Hukill)
18. 08:40 PM - tank fitting sealer (Dave Leikam)
19. 09:50 PM - Re: brake / fuel line fittings nut torque (Bill Schlatterer)
20. 11:19 PM - Re: Re: Wet Compass (Robin Marks)
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I won't disagree that you're likely to see this issue with other
headsets. It was told to me by both companies that it's a very
common issue with the PMA8000 and Bose combo, and that they will
swap the mics if you're having issues. That kind of tells me that
perhaps both products have a little too much sensitivity, since
having other mics or a different intercom wouldn't gather the
same reply from them. I did have good luck with Mic. Muffs on my
old flightcom headsets, so I recommend those for all sets in the
plane if you have the problem. So far, the auto squelch seems
to work great for me, but I understand that with everyone's
different headsets and sitting in front of air vents and
things like that, it can be a "YMMV" situation.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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DejaVu wrote:
>
> I don't have Bose headsets and my PMA8000 does the same. I don't like
> that the squelch is not pilot-controllable.
> I think the real fix should be in the audio panel.
> Anh
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mic Noise
>
>
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>> Scott,
>>
>> You want to call Joe Tesini at Bose. 508-766-5998
>> There is a long story to the Mic's but with the PMA8000
>> and the Bose headsets the mic can be too hot for and break
>> squelch too easily. They use a GenTex Mic on the original
>> headsets, but they have one or two other versions of mic
>> that they can retrofit on your headset that work better
>> with that intercom. You can still use the Oregon Aero
>> Mic Muffs, but the mic will be the fix. I had squelch
>> breaking (mostly in summer with vents on) last year
>> around OSH. I bought 4 muffs, and that didn't help.
>> Then, Joe got all 4 of my Mics swapped and I was able to
>> get by without the muff. With the kids in the back seat
>> they don't pay attention to airflows, so they can still
>> break squelch, so I may put the muffs on again just
>> because of them. You need to use one on each headset.
>>
>> But, that info above should get you what you need for
>> a better fix.
>>
>> PS, I think mic's with a -3 on the serial plate are the
>> ones affected.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>
>>
>> Scott Schmidt wrote:
>>> I learned something today about my audio panel. When I fly with 4
>>> people in the RV-10 I get aircraft noise turning on the headset mic.
>>> I have the PS 8000B and I can tell that the auto-squelch is adjusting
>>> the squelch between the front seats then the back seats, then front
>>> seats and it is quite annoying. I read in the manual about
>>> purchasing new mic covers from Oregon Aero to help this issue and
>>> called them too. They said the new mic covers should fix the
>>> problem. You would think that Bose would make a descent mic cover
>>> for $1000. Anyway, if you experience the same issues you may want to
>>> look into this. The covers were $13 each.
>>> http://www.oregonaero.com/p62_2001.html#micmuff
>>> Scott Schmidt
>>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom wing skin rivets |
Agree with Tim. You can even do it all by yourself if you have long arms
and can master squeezing the gun with your thumb.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bottom wing skin rivets
>
>
>
> Nah, it ain't that bad. After riveting a tailcone the wings aren't
> too tough. It's much harder to drill out blind rivets in the
> future too.
> Tim
>
>
> ddnebert wrote:
>>
>> I am finishing up the wings on my slow-build -10 wing kit. The
>> instructions for riveting on the bottom skins seem like it will be
>> awkward, difficult to buck, even harder to check, and ultimately of
>> questionable quality. Vans recommends the solid rivets for most of the
>> skins (though the RV-12 uses mostly blind rivets) but suggested that the
>> MK-139-BS style blind rivets would be comparable. Does anyone see any
>> harm in using these flush blind rivets on the bottom skins of the RV-10
>> wings? Aside from the cost ($80) it seems to me a better quality and
>> easier solution than the bucked rivets.
>>
>> --------
>> RV-10 Builder #40546
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118534#118534
>>
>>
>>
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Rob,
Just remember to take your time and secure everything down twice as good
as you think is needed. My buddy went through a whole med size box of 3" d
rywall screws securing my HS, wings, and fuselage in a 26' Penske truck for
our 19 hour and 1200 mile drive from TX to WI. If the truck has a wood fl
oor don't be afraid to use nails, screws, or whatever to hold things in pla
ce, they won't even notice. I left my wings in the cradles I made with a l
ittle extra padding everywhere. You can't have enough moving blankets. I
managed to get my project all the way up here with no damage in a single 26
' truckload, the workshop however was a whole truck full in itself. ;-) A
s you have seen from others, don't expect to restart building right away.
My hiatus is turning out to be at least a year.
Best of luck,
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Wright
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: packed up
Listers,
the time has come, and my whole workshop and airplane and on a Budget truck
and car hauler. I'm really dejected with having to have such a large brea
k in building, but I know on the other end with my new job I'll be able to
work 3 months straight on it when I'm not on a job. Not to mention that I
also won't have to share a hangar like I've been doing.
Anyway, John J and others who've gone before me in the buildus interruptus
and moving the shop to a new location please keep me in mind, especially wh
ile I'm on the 7 hour drive tomorrow to make it safely and without Jessie's
learning experience of wearing a hole in a wing skin.
Lots of stops to check on things.
Rob Wright
#392
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| Subject: | Bottom wing skin rivets |
Yep, I second that. It sucks sometimes but can be done. The only help I have
had on the entire kit were a couple items that just can't be done by yourself
like riveting the tail and fuse, part of the upper deck, and a couple of other
spots a guy with ape arms like me just couldn't reach. I did the wings completely
alone.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bottom wing skin rivets
Agree with Tim. You can even do it all by yourself if you have long arms
and can master squeezing the gun with your thumb.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bottom wing skin rivets
>
>
>
> Nah, it ain't that bad. After riveting a tailcone the wings aren't
> too tough. It's much harder to drill out blind rivets in the
> future too.
> Tim
>
>
> ddnebert wrote:
>>
>> I am finishing up the wings on my slow-build -10 wing kit. The
>> instructions for riveting on the bottom skins seem like it will be
>> awkward, difficult to buck, even harder to check, and ultimately of
>> questionable quality. Vans recommends the solid rivets for most of the
>> skins (though the RV-12 uses mostly blind rivets) but suggested that the
>> MK-139-BS style blind rivets would be comparable. Does anyone see any
>> harm in using these flush blind rivets on the bottom skins of the RV-10
>> wings? Aside from the cost ($80) it seems to me a better quality and
>> easier solution than the bucked rivets.
>>
>> --------
>> RV-10 Builder #40546
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118534#118534
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Bottom wing skin rivets |
It's not that bad if you have patience and one of those telescoping inspection
mirrors. I ended up with a few oops spots when the bar slipped, but it is the
bottom skin and I'll anyone found loitering there with a crucial eye will get a
swift kick in the butt! I'd keep going and save the $80 for a Bob Archer
antenna.
Jay
Slow building and loving it?
Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search
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Give PS Engineering a call and see if they have a solution for your headset / intercom
problem. For awhile I really thought it was just the air in the back
that would hit their face since the vent is located fairly high in relation to
the headset. But finally, the other day I had everyone close their vent and
found that it basically cycled through the headsets.
With just two of us it works perfect. I agree that it would be nice to have at
least the option to manually control the audio panel in situations where there
is lots of air flowing into the aircraft. Sometimes I do laugh at the things
we complain about...... Our noise canceling Bose headsets are being activated
because the auto-squelch feature of the audio panel in our 200 mph aircraft
is not properly functioning. It was disrupting my passengers as they were trying
to watch a DVD movie, The Breakfast Club, on our 1 hour flight from Idaho
Falls last Tuesday that would have taken 3.5 hours in the car. What next, my
in-cockpit weather system is going to act up and stop displaying Nexrad information???
PS Engineering phone number
(865) 988-9800
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: DejaVu <wvu@ameritel.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:16:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mic Noise
I don't have Bose headsets and my PMA8000 does the same. I don't like that
the squelch is not pilot-controllable.
I think the real fix should be in the audio panel.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mic Noise
>
>
>
> Scott,
>
> You want to call Joe Tesini at Bose. 508-766-5998
> There is a long story to the Mic's but with the PMA8000
> and the Bose headsets the mic can be too hot for and break
> squelch too easily. They use a GenTex Mic on the original
> headsets, but they have one or two other versions of mic
> that they can retrofit on your headset that work better
> with that intercom. You can still use the Oregon Aero
> Mic Muffs, but the mic will be the fix. I had squelch
> breaking (mostly in summer with vents on) last year
> around OSH. I bought 4 muffs, and that didn't help.
> Then, Joe got all 4 of my Mics swapped and I was able to
> get by without the muff. With the kids in the back seat
> they don't pay attention to airflows, so they can still
> break squelch, so I may put the muffs on again just
> because of them. You need to use one on each headset.
>
> But, that info above should get you what you need for
> a better fix.
>
> PS, I think mic's with a -3 on the serial plate are the
> ones affected.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Scott Schmidt wrote:
>> I learned something today about my audio panel. When I fly with 4 people
>> in the RV-10 I get aircraft noise turning on the headset mic. I have the
>> PS 8000B and I can tell that the auto-squelch is adjusting the squelch
>> between the front seats then the back seats, then front seats and it is
>> quite annoying. I read in the manual about purchasing new mic covers
>> from Oregon Aero to help this issue and called them too. They said the
>> new mic covers should fix the problem. You would think that Bose would
>> make a descent mic cover for $1000. Anyway, if you experience the same
>> issues you may want to look into this. The covers were $13 each.
>> http://www.oregonaero.com/p62_2001.html#micmuff
>> Scott Schmidt
>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom wing skin rivets |
According to my EAA Tech Counselor:
"Per the FAA and my IA rating, you can only substitute a
CherryMax rivet or equivalent for a solid rivet in -4 and larger size.
Note that they run about $.50 each and have a steel core, so special
corrosion protection is appropriate. You can also substitute a machine
screw and lock nut.
In the -3 size I don't of any blind rivets that are "structural"
and readily available."
Well, I've got skinny arms and will give it a try.
I could use recommendations: Do I need to install an Aileron trim servo? I was
planning to put in a roll-axis AP anyway...
--------
RV-10 Builder #40546
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118611#118611
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Good luck on the move! Our project is now in its third location awaiting a garage
to be built. Needless to say, progress is slow when you don't have a good
space to work in.
Jon (and Bill) Reining
40514 - wings
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118615#118615
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What are they doing watching a movie with such beautiful scenery!
Jon Reining
Do Not Archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118617#118617
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom wing skin rivets |
Good thing this isn't a certified airplane where that comment would actually
apply. ;-) Of course you could use bubblegum and duct tape but it might not
get passed your DAR. Follow Van's recommendations, if they say it's ok it's a
safe bet you they won't lead you down the wrong road.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddnebert
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets
According to my EAA Tech Counselor:
"Per the FAA and my IA rating, you can only substitute a
CherryMax rivet or equivalent for a solid rivet in -4 and larger size.
Note that they run about $.50 each and have a steel core, so special
corrosion protection is appropriate. You can also substitute a machine
screw and lock nut.
In the -3 size I don't of any blind rivets that are "structural"
and readily available."
Well, I've got skinny arms and will give it a try.
I could use recommendations: Do I need to install an Aileron trim servo? I was
planning to put in a roll-axis AP anyway...
--------
RV-10 Builder #40546
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118611#118611
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom wing skin rivets |
The bottom skins are certainly harder than the top skins, but they are
really not that bad. If Van's says you are OK with the blind rivets, then I
won't say any different, but the solid rivets aren't that bad, especially if
you have a helper either on the gun or the bar. It isn't a bad idea to have
some padding around the bar in case you drop it inside there.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Good thing this isn't a certified airplane where that comment would
actually apply. ;-) Of course you could use bubblegum and duct tape but it
might not get passed your DAR. Follow Van's recommendations, if they say
it's ok it's a safe bet you they won't lead you down the wrong road.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddnebert
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets
According to my EAA Tech Counselor:
"Per the FAA and my IA rating, you can only substitute a
CherryMax rivet or equivalent for a solid rivet in -4 and larger size.
Note that they run about $.50 each and have a steel core, so special
corrosion protection is appropriate. You can also substitute a machine
screw and lock nut.
In the -3 size I don't of any blind rivets that are "structural"
and readily available."
Well, I've got skinny arms and will give it a try.
I could use recommendations: Do I need to install an Aileron trim servo? I
was planning to put in a roll-axis AP anyway...
--------
RV-10 Builder #40546
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118611#118611
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom wing skin rivets |
You don't need to install the servo at this time, however you may choice to
install the brackets, linkage and run the wire harness (for that matter a
ll the wing wiring.) If you are planning on using a TruTrak AP the brackets
are available from them for about $50. Stein Air will also sell the AP wir
ing harness for just the wing. You'll need to decide which wing you want th
e servo in before ordering the bracket.
If you look on Tim's site http://www.myrv10.com/ and William's site http://
wcurtis.nerv10.com/ there are some great pictures of what can go in the win
gs and how the AP servo fits.
Happy riveting:)
Vern Smith (#324 baggage door)
do not archive> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets> From: doug
@mapcontext.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:02:05 -0700> To: rv10-list@matro
nics.com> > > Well, I've got skinny arms and will give it a try. > > I coul
d use recommendations: Do I need to install an Aileron trim servo? I was pl
anning to put in a roll-axis AP anyway...> > --------> RV-10 Builder #40546
> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewt
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FAR Part 91 -General operating and Flight rules; this deals with operation of personal
aircraft in the airspace system and since there is no "experimental" airspace,
I'm not sure how it would NOT apply to experimentals. I have to read
the article to see what his take on it is.
One has only to look at FAR 91.1 & 91.101 - Applicability, to determine that ALL
except balloons & rockets (part 101) and ultralights (part 103) are covered
by it.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
>
> Curtis,
>
> See page 65 of the June issue of Sport Aviation and the
> reply by Tech Counselor Sam Buchanan for another take on the
> application of Part 91 to aircraft with Experimental
> Operating Limitations.
>
> Kevin
> 40494
>
>
> ><wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> >
> >Should be no argument about part 91 applying to
> >experimentals. ALL of FAR part 91 applies to experimentals
> >, it's the part 23 that does not. As another message
> >indicated, for the certified aircraft with glass panels,
> >the steam gauges are primary and the EFIS are secondary.
> >They must have good reason for doing this and unless one
> >has data showing otherwise, I'd follow their model.
> >
> >William
> >http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >> <dmasys@cox.net>
> >> Hi Robin,
> >>
> >> FAR 91.205 says aircraft with standard airworthiness
> >certificates need to have a "magnetic direction indicator"
> >for both VFR and IFR flight. Although one might argue
> >91.205 doesn't apply to experimental aircraft, the simple
> >fact is that you will be at the mercy of the DAR who does
> >your final inspection, and my guess is probably the
> >majority of DARs will have the same expectation for
> >homebuilts and standard aircraft, especially because most
> >of us are building our -10's for a cross country mission
> >profile that looks like what folks use Cessna's, Pipers and
> >> Mooneys for.
> >> So putting a whiskey (or equivalent vertical card)
> >compass in the panel or somewhere in the pilot's sight
> >sure seems prudent to me. (Forgot to mention I do have a
> >wet compass in the panel in addition to all of the fine
> >> electronic toys)
> >> (Just got my EAA paperwork approving my application to be
> >a Technical Counselor, so I need to be clear about when
> >something is just an opinion vs. a real fact. This posting
> >is just an opinion since I don't frankly know in detail how
> >all of the regs on this particular issue reference one
> >> another. So much to learn...)
> >> -Dan Masys
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom wing skin rivets |
Hey, let's stop pussy footing around! This ain't no RV-12. This ain't no
Bushwhack Special. This ain't no 1947 Cessna. This here is a work of art,
a masterpiece, an aluminum Picasso! Buck it up, Bucko, and put those solid
rivets in there so's we can be proud of you and so's you can one day look
back and say, "Hey, I did that and it weren't so bad after all!" No crying
in plane building. Nuff said.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets
The bottom skins are certainly harder than the top skins, but they are
really not that bad. If Van's says you are OK with the blind rivets, then I
won't say any different, but the solid rivets aren't that bad, especially if
you have a helper either on the gun or the bar. It isn't a bad idea to have
some padding around the bar in case you drop it inside there.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Good thing this isn't a certified airplane where that comment would
actually apply. ;-) Of course you could use bubblegum and duct tape but it
might not get passed your DAR. Follow Van's recommendations, if they say
it's ok it's a safe bet you they won't lead you down the wrong road.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddnebert
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Bottom wing skin rivets
According to my EAA Tech Counselor:
"Per the FAA and my IA rating, you can only substitute a CherryMax rivet or
equivalent for a solid rivet in -4 and larger size.
Note that they run about $.50 each and have a steel core, so special
corrosion protection is appropriate. You can also substitute a machine
screw and lock nut.
In the -3 size I don't of any blind rivets that are "structural"
and readily available."
Well, I've got skinny arms and will give it a try.
I could use recommendations: Do I need to install an Aileron trim servo? I
was planning to put in a roll-axis AP anyway...
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RV-10 Builder #40546
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118611#118611
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I think it was my post to blame for getting this started. The reason I mentioned
the question about applicability is that the FAR section on instruments (91.205)
is entitled:
"Powered civil aircraft with **standard category US airworthiness certificates**:
[emphasis added] Instrument and equipment requirements."
You be the judge, pay your money and take your chances with the DAR...
-Dan Masys
#40448
---- William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
> FAR Part 91 -General operating and Flight rules; this deals with operation of
personal aircraft in the airspace system and since there is no "experimental"
airspace, I'm not sure how it would NOT apply to experimentals. I have to read
the article to see what his take on it is.
>
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When I asked this, I was given:
FAA Order 8130.2F (AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATION OF AIRCRAFT AND RELATED
PRODUCTS)
This is what they use to issue Experimental Airworthiness
certificates...
All over it... Whether LSA experimental, Standard Experimental, R&D,
de-militarized, or whatever... Unless you are still in phase I of test
flight, or have an approved exception, you must equip your plane by FAR
19.205 standards for VFR or IFR (whichever you intend to do).
- Jason (thinking about building an RV-10... Own an Ercoupe right now)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Wet Compass
I think it was my post to blame for getting this started. The reason I
mentioned the question about applicability is that the FAR section on
instruments (91.205) is entitled:
"Powered civil aircraft with **standard category US airworthiness
certificates**: [emphasis added] Instrument and equipment
requirements."
You be the judge, pay your money and take your chances with the DAR...
-Dan Masys
#40448
---- William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
> FAR Part 91 -General operating and Flight rules; this deals with
operation of personal aircraft in the airspace system and since there is
no "experimental" airspace, I'm not sure how it would NOT apply to
experimentals. I have to read the article to see what his take on it
is.
>
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I'll certainly be on the lookout for that inaccuracy, however I wonder
if the fact my G430 is WAAS makes a difference in the accuracy. I've
only flown 3 practice ILS (GPS overlay)approaches and both were exactly
on centerline with a ten knot crosswind. I'll continue to experiment at
different approaches (in VMC) until I know just how good it is, but for
now I think the ADI coupled approaches are better than my hand flown raw
data ILSs
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | tank fitting sealer |
What is everyone using to seal the threads of the fittings in the fuel
tanks? Pro-seal? When sealing up the senders, do you smear the stuff
on the gasket surfaces as well as the screws and flanges?
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | brake / fuel line fittings nut torque |
Hope this sizes correctly. AN torque values at the bottom of attachment and
also on page 9-19 of AC 43.
ON page 7-8 and 7-9 of AC 43 (Acceptable Methods and Techniques) it gives
the conversion formulas. Very easy to set up in a spreadsheet.
Shows Crows foot wrench as a "Short Open End Adapter" on pat 7-8
Crows foot wrenches from Sears and adjust for about 1 & 1/2 inch offset.
Actually should have the conversion formulas in the instructions with your
Torque Wrench.
Hope this helps
Bill S
7a Ark
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: brake / fuel line fittings nut torque
--> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
A set of crows foot wrenches will enable you to do this.
Dan
N289DT RV10E E
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake / fuel line fittings nut torque
I recently bought a torque wrench for sockets. I don't see how it would
work on a line fitting. Does this require a different type of torque
wrench?
JSMcGrew@aol.com wrote:
> I think the torque values are listed in my copy of Standard Aircraft
> Handbook for Mechanics and Technicians. I don't have access to it
> right now so I can't tell you what it says.
>
> I used those values and ended up with some leaks so I tightened them
> "Just tight enough that it won't leak" and then started the practice
> of "Just snug it up and check for leaks". With further experience with
> a particularly annoying brake line leak, I found "tightening and
> loosening the nut several times before torquing it helped to achieve a
> tight seal". So there is one more comment to add to the list.
>
> -Jim
> 40134
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Dan,
I actually think I started this discussion as my panel will have dual independent
EFIS and three sets of batteries. Why would I need a wet compass? Seems from
my reading of the discussion the DAR has final say on certification but the
FAR seems to require one. I figure I will put one in (my only round instrument
on the panel) and live it and call it my Back Up to the third power. No reason
to give an insurance company a reason to deny a claim.
William
Speaking of balloons & rockets (part 101) and ultralights, I was flying my usual
commute today (SBP-BUR-SBP) and came across a large bouquet of balloons at
6,200'. Another one at 6,800' and one more on my return trip at 4,000. Seems graduation
is in full swing.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Wet Compass
I think it was my post to blame for getting this started. The reason I mentioned
the question about applicability is that the FAR section on instruments (91.205)
is entitled:
"Powered civil aircraft with **standard category US airworthiness certificates**:
[emphasis added] Instrument and equipment requirements."
You be the judge, pay your money and take your chances with the DAR...
-Dan Masys
#40448
---- William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
> FAR Part 91 -General operating and Flight rules; this deals with operation of
personal aircraft in the airspace system and since there is no "experimental"
airspace, I'm not sure how it would NOT apply to experimentals. I have to read
the article to see what his take on it is.
>
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