---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/22/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:54 AM - Re: parking brake cable (AirMike) 2. 10:06 AM - Re: Batteries (orchidman) 3. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Batteries (Deems Davis) 4. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Batteries (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 5. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: ACS Experimental Door Handle (Rick) 6. 02:45 PM - audio panel location question (Chris Johnston) 7. 03:12 PM - Re: audio panel location question (Jesse Saint) 8. 03:39 PM - U-1024 Wheel Pant Standoffs (PJ Seipel) 9. 04:06 PM - Re: audio panel location question (Tim Olson) 10. 04:15 PM - Re: U-1024 Wheel Pant Standoffs (Rick) 11. 05:19 PM - Re: audio panel location question (Chris Johnston) 12. 06:42 PM - Re: audio panel location question (linn Walters) 13. 09:54 PM - Re:audio panel location question (Sheldon Olesen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:49 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: parking brake cable From: "AirMike" Lloyd - do U have the numer of the spruce product? I was also remided that you should make sure that you have a positive release system. If you are flying an land with the brake on - baaaaad things could happen. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=120015#120015 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:30 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Batteries From: "orchidman" bcondrey wrote: > I have a pair of PC-680s but they are in the standard battery location (minor mod to the battery tray). > Bob #40105 Bob, Any chance of getting a pic of your battery tray mod? -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N410GB reserved) do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=120051#120051 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:48 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Batteries Don;'t know about how Bob did it, but I've got 2 PC 680's, and here's a link to 11 pics that should give you and idea how I went about it. http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2039%20Control%20System/slides/DSC02860.html Page forward to see the rest of the pics Deems Davis # 406 Engine & Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ orchidman wrote: > > > bcondrey wrote: > >> I have a pair of PC-680s but they are in the standard battery location (minor mod to the battery tray). >> Bob #40105 >> > > > Bob, > Any chance of getting a pic of your battery tray mod? > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N410GB reserved) > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Batteries From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Attached is my approach and I sent a series of pictures offline so as not to clutter up the list (I think they've been posted before). Essentially I took the easy way out and just widened the stock tray on the non-contactor side and moved the aft angle forward a bit. I have both contactors mounted on a piece of angle that's bolted into the stock contactor location. Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Batteries Don;'t know about how Bob did it, but I've got 2 PC 680's, and here's a link to 11 pics that should give you and idea how I went about it. http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2039%20Control%20System/slides/DSC02860.h tml Page forward to see the rest of the pics Deems Davis # 406 Engine & Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ orchidman wrote: > > > bcondrey wrote: > >> I have a pair of PC-680s but they are in the standard battery location (minor mod to the battery tray). >> Bob #40105 >> > > > Bob, > Any chance of getting a pic of your battery tray mod? > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N410GB reserved) > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:47 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: ACS Experimental Door Handle Great idea Steve...mine are done but I like your idea. Rick S. 40185 do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:14 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: audio panel location question From: "Chris Johnston" Hey all - In the interest of keeping my tradition of stupid questions alive, here's a new one...or two... Is there a reason that people put the audio panel at the top of the radio stack? I mean besides because that's where everybody puts it? I'm thinking (overthinking) about it this way... if you are selecting what radio you're listening to and you've got your hand at the audio panel, it's in the way of seeing the radios and what frequency they're tuned to... I'm not fishing for a long preposterous discussion. Just a good reason not to put the audio panel below the radios. Anyone got one? Also, is there a reason people don't countersink the mounting holes for instruments? Other than the fact that it's more work for no reason? Hooray for silly questions! cj #40410 fuse/finishing www.perfectlygoodairplane.net do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:54 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: audio panel location question Part of this question may be a poll to see how often people change the audio panel in a typical flight (VFR, IFR) compared to the Xpndr and maybe COM/NAV2. Your type of flying may also modify this a fair bit. If you are doing a lot of VOR flying and are verifying that you have the VOR by listening to the code or are using COM2 to check ATIS/AWOS, then you will be using it a lot more than if you are just fly day VFR around uncontrolled strips and GPS navigation. Also, having passengers and/or entertainment systems will also change how much you are changing it. Like a lot of questions, mission will determine how you finally decide where to put it. Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: audio panel location question Hey all - In the interest of keeping my tradition of stupid questions alive, here's a new one...or two... Is there a reason that people put the audio panel at the top of the radio stack? I mean besides because that's where everybody puts it? I'm thinking (overthinking) about it this way... if you are selecting what radio you're listening to and you've got your hand at the audio panel, it's in the way of seeing the radios and what frequency they're tuned to... I'm not fishing for a long preposterous discussion. Just a good reason not to put the audio panel below the radios. Anyone got one? Also, is there a reason people don't countersink the mounting holes for instruments? Other than the fact that it's more work for no reason? Hooray for silly questions! cj #40410 fuse/finishing www.perfectlygoodairplane.net do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:37 PM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: RV10-List: U-1024 Wheel Pant Standoffs Can anyone tell me where to locate the aluminum block that is used to make the U-1024 wheel pant standoffs on page 48-16 in the plans. I've looked high and low, and after looking at my packing lists, I'm not sure I received the material. Did it by chance come in another kit? Thanks, PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:12 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: audio panel location question One of the reasons it's at the top of my panel is that the center post support takes up some space, and the audio panel is about the least deep of any of the stack. So from a fit perspective, the stack would have to sit lower (not a great thing) just to try to cram a Nav/Com on top. Also, in practice, I use the buttons on my audio panel quite a bit. Between swapping from COM1 to COM2 when flying around towered airports (with all those multiple frequencies filling a 4 slots of 2 radios), to the "used a few hundred times per flight" pilot isolate/ crew isolate feature. I know for a lot of flights and in some situations, you don't tend to use the audio panel a lot, but it has it's moments. Also, beyond all of that, from an IFR perspective, remember that the audio panel is also the Audio/Visual annunciator for your BLUE/WHITE/AMBER lights for the marker beacon, and passing those points on an approach is kind of one of those things that a critical notification point. So other than the above reasons, I think there is actually a good IFR reason that it deserves the top spot on the stack. You want annunciations where you won't miss them. This isn't to say that you can't mount it other places, but illustrate that there are not only common reasons why you see it where it is, but good reasons why some people would place it there. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Chris Johnston wrote: > > Hey all - > > In the interest of keeping my tradition of stupid questions alive, > here's a new one...or two... > > Is there a reason that people put the audio panel at the top of the > radio stack? I mean besides because that's where everybody puts it? > > I'm thinking (overthinking) about it this way... if you are selecting > what radio you're listening to and you've got your hand at the audio > panel, it's in the way of seeing the radios and what frequency they're > tuned to... I'm not fishing for a long preposterous discussion. Just a > good reason not to put the audio panel below the radios. Anyone got > one? > > Also, is there a reason people don't countersink the mounting holes for > instruments? Other than the fact that it's more work for no reason? > > Hooray for silly questions! > > > > cj > > #40410 > fuse/finishing > www.perfectlygoodairplane.net > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:51 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: U-1024 Wheel Pant Standoffs PJ It's two small aluminum blocks. Not sure but I believe it's in the same bag as the door hardware. While your at it make sure you have 2 each, 3/8 x 24 x 1-3/4 socket head cap screws...mine were only 3/4" long. Rick S. 40185 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:02 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: audio panel location question From: "Chris Johnston" I actually wasn't thinking of putting it in a more remote location, but rather I was thinking that if it were below the radios it would seem to be in a handier place - nearer to your right hand most times, and when pushing buttons on it, you wouldn't be blocking the view to other avionics/instruments. I guess I gave the impression that I'd put it lower because I wouldn't be pushing buttons all the time on it, but that's exactly the opposite of what I meant. I should have said, since it's so frequently used, would not a handier place be, well, by your hand? The downsides seem to be that you'd have to glance lower to monkey around with it, and the marker beacon thing - yea, that's one for sure. Thanks cj -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: audio panel location question One of the reasons it's at the top of my panel is that the center post support takes up some space, and the audio panel is about the least deep of any of the stack. So from a fit perspective, the stack would have to sit lower (not a great thing) just to try to cram a Nav/Com on top. Also, in practice, I use the buttons on my audio panel quite a bit. Between swapping from COM1 to COM2 when flying around towered airports (with all those multiple frequencies filling a 4 slots of 2 radios), to the "used a few hundred times per flight" pilot isolate/ crew isolate feature. I know for a lot of flights and in some situations, you don't tend to use the audio panel a lot, but it has it's moments. Also, beyond all of that, from an IFR perspective, remember that the audio panel is also the Audio/Visual annunciator for your BLUE/WHITE/AMBER lights for the marker beacon, and passing those points on an approach is kind of one of those things that a critical notification point. So other than the above reasons, I think there is actually a good IFR reason that it deserves the top spot on the stack. You want annunciations where you won't miss them. This isn't to say that you can't mount it other places, but illustrate that there are not only common reasons why you see it where it is, but good reasons why some people would place it there. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Chris Johnston wrote: > > Hey all - > > In the interest of keeping my tradition of stupid questions alive, > here's a new one...or two... > > Is there a reason that people put the audio panel at the top of the > radio stack? I mean besides because that's where everybody puts it? > > I'm thinking (overthinking) about it this way... if you are selecting > what radio you're listening to and you've got your hand at the audio > panel, it's in the way of seeing the radios and what frequency they're > tuned to... I'm not fishing for a long preposterous discussion. Just a > good reason not to put the audio panel below the radios. Anyone got > one? > > Also, is there a reason people don't countersink the mounting holes for > instruments? Other than the fact that it's more work for no reason? > > Hooray for silly questions! > > > > cj > > #40410 > fuse/finishing > www.perfectlygoodairplane.net > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:13 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: audio panel location question Chris Johnston wrote: > >Hey all - > >In the interest of keeping my tradition of stupid questions alive, >here's a new one...or two... > >Is there a reason that people put the audio panel at the top of the >radio stack? I mean besides because that's where everybody puts it? > This is a real SWAG ...... but along with the audio switches were the marker beacon lights ..... and being up high made it easier to keep in the scan. That's about all the reasons I can think of. >I'm thinking (overthinking) about it this way... if you are selecting >what radio you're listening to and you've got your hand at the audio >panel, it's in the way of seeing the radios and what frequency they're >tuned to... I'm not fishing for a long preposterous discussion. Just a >good reason not to put the audio panel below the radios. Anyone got >one? > With the exception of above, I can't think of one. But how often do you switch radios anyway? With flip/flop radios, you always have the next or last freq on the inactive side, so switching single-display radios is history. Most of the hi9gh-time pilots I fly with use one primary radio almost exclusively for 2-way comms, and use the second radio to listen to ATIS and stuff like that. I can't separate two radios talking in my ear, so I don't put the speaker (headphones) on both. Linn do not archive > >Also, is there a reason people don't countersink the mounting holes for >instruments? Other than the fact that it's more work for no reason? > >Hooray for silly questions! > > >cj > >#40410 >fuse/finishing >www.perfectlygoodairplane.net >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:58 PM PST US From: Sheldon Olesen Subject: RV10-List: Re:audio panel location question Chris, I couldn't think of a good reason to put the audio panel on top to the stack so I didn't. There is a very good reason not to put it on top. The length of the audio panel (PSE 7000) is much shorter than the radios below and maintenance or wiring changes would be very difficult. 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