---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/24/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:55 AM - Re: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comments) (Tim Olson) 2. 07:18 AM - First flight completed (Wayne Edgerton) 3. 07:32 AM - LASIK (Dave Leikam) 4. 07:44 AM - Re: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comments) (John Jessen) 5. 07:49 AM - Re: First flight completed (John Jessen) 6. 07:50 AM - Re: First flight completed (Tim Olson) 7. 07:50 AM - Re: LASIK (John Jessen) 8. 08:06 AM - Re: First flight completed (bob.kaufmann) 9. 08:20 AM - Re: First flight completed (Mark Ritter) 10. 08:38 AM - Re: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comments) (John Cram) 11. 09:08 AM - Re: First flight completed (Deems Davis) 12. 01:21 PM - Re: First flight completed (Jesse Saint) 13. 01:40 PM - FW: [LML] Avionics for sale (John W. Cox) 14. 02:19 PM - Re: First flight completed (Shawn Moon) 15. 02:20 PM - First RV-10 ride (Stephen Blank) 16. 02:44 PM - Re: FW: [LML] Avionics for sale () 17. 02:50 PM - Re: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comm... (Dsyvert@aol.com) 18. 03:41 PM - Re: First flight completed (John Testement) 19. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: parking brake cable (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 20. 07:25 PM - Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations (Pascal) 21. 07:54 PM - Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations () 22. 08:43 PM - Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations (orchidman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:21 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comments) Dave, Although I can see what you mean with how this can happen, my question is, are you saying that this problem has a high likelyhood given that the builder actually follows the directions and moves the part 1/8" above the bulkhead in the first place as per the directions? I don't disagree that it might be easier to get that lower brace mated up to the longerons properly if you attached and drilled it at a later step...but I'm also thinking that if the builder just reads the plans and does that first step properly, the chance that they'll have any major problem is pretty small given the matched-hole construction. I'm not doubting that it's still a possibility, but it seems that it should be one of the more uncommon things that could be encountered. Like I said though, if people just matched that part up and drilled it later as you're suggesting, I think that would prevent the issue altogether too. I just don't know how worried people should be as long as they follow the procedures exactly. Also, if they did have a gap, and that angle actually was flat against the skin above but just not fully touching the longeron, I wonder if a shim would take care of the gap too? The catch is, I can't picture people being so far off in that part to cause a gap big enough to easily find thin enough shim stock. Glad your friend caught it and showed you though and that you took the time to write it up. I could add it to the tailcone gotchas section on my site if you'd like...at least as a thinking point. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Dsyvert@aol.com wrote: > Group, > > Attached is a problem that I had, and would never have caught had I > not had an experience builder look over my project. It is not the type > of thing I would think most builders would catch or understand the > implications unless they would know that there could be an issue. > > Please review what I have put together and comment. Sorry that > the drawings and explanation may not be completely clear so I would like > to hear you comments and will change based on everyone's feedback. > > > Dave Syvertson > 40625 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:31 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: RV10-List: First flight completed Well, fellow builders, Saturday 6/23, at 8AM N602WT made it's maiden flight. After all this time building the feeling I got when it left old Terra Firma was great. It wasn't the flying as much as the idea that "Hey, I remember when this baby was in a box in pieces" feeling. I had been trying for a couple of weeks to take it up but the weather here in north Texas has been damp to say the least and between my hangar and the runway was a lot of soggy grass. Also because my family wanted to be there I had to wait for the weekends. Anyway, we had a perfect day to fly yesterday and it flew beautifully. It was really a great feeling shooting down the runway with it wanting to get off the ground very quickly. I had put two 50lb sand bags in the rear to move the cg a little bit aft. Once I was in the air, and started breathing again :>}, I was really happy with the control response I was receiving. I made a race track pattern around the airfield and on about my third downwind I let go of the controls and flew the total length hands free. To be honest with all the jockeying around with the aileron and elevator alignment we had to do during the build I thought for sure I would have some type of trim issue, but happily for me I didn't. I had flown transition training with Alex DeDominicis in his 11, but somehow flying in your own plane gives you a completely different feeling or at least it was for me. A good friend of mine on my airfield, Ron Grover and his wife Barb, flew chase plane with me in his RV8. Ron is also building a RV10. I think his build number is 60 or close to that. He's close to taking flight soon also. Anyway with Ron in the air with me we could compare airspeed readings to be sure that my airspeed was reading out correctly and that I didn't have anything leaking out the bottom. Barb was the official camera lady and took some great photos. I've attached a few they sent me last night. In first flight 1 photo if you look down and forward of the plane that is our airport Propwash 16X, which is just north of Fort Worth. We had decided that we would stay up for about 30 minutes in this first flight and we were getting near that time so I decided it was time to stall test the plane before I landed it the first time, so I did and it stalled clean at about 61kts, which is what I think everyone else was finding. After the stall I leveled back out with applying power and the engine did a small hiccup of sort. At that point it seemed like a big hiccup to me. I reduced power and switched tanks and noticed that I had no indicated RPM, even though I knew I did. So it didn't take much thought to decide it was time to get back down to the runway. I did the downwind at 90kt and the final approach at 80kts and was able to land it without embarrassing myself too much. Once back to the hangar we removed the top cowling to inspect for leaks and there were none. I obviously have to get onto why I'm not getting any RPM reading. A first guess is that one of the wire couplers came loose and also, when it did that, it caused my Lasar electronic ignition system to go offline and switch back to the standard mags. I'm guessing that's when I felt the engine hiccup momentarily. I have a light to tell me if the Lasar goes offline but it wasn't on so we'll just have to dig around a little. Anyway, sorry for the long rant but if I had to summarize for you how the plane felt in flight I would have you use the word "smooth". My son and son-in-law videoed the flight and I will post it when they get it to me. Now I've got to get the hiccups fixed and get the time flown off. Boy I have to say I have so many people on my field and others to thank for all the help they've all given me in getting to this point. I know without all their help I wouldn't be ready to fly yet, that's for sure. Muchas gracias to all of them. Wayne Edgerton #40336 Now amongst the flying. Paint date scheduled for September ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:39 AM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: RV10-List: LASIK Well I took the plunge and had LASIK with Intralase this past Thursday morning by Dr. Hale. So far my left eye is 20/15 right eye is 20/25 with some haze in both eyes mostly due to dryness. No affect on near vision. With contacts I was 20/15 L and 20/20 R. I am mostly happy with the results. I am told the haze will clear in a short time and the correction may improve as well. My eyes have been a bit dry and I am using the prescribed drops, antibiotic, anti-inflammatory and tears. Slight halos at night. The Doc said he can tweak either eye in a few months if need be but wants to be sure everything has stabilized first. The procedure is pretty much a non event. Go home, sleep, DON'T RUB YOUR EYES, wake up and see. I will post more results in a few months. Thanks for all the previous comments and inputs. Hope to SEE many of you at OSH! I talked with Tom Poberezney this past week as he is a customer of mine and he said there is a surprise which he could not tell me about and that Thursday is the best day to attend this year. The F-22's will also be back. Dave Leikam Donated my glasses. 40496 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:50 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comments) Folks, I actually think that this is a fine example of how great the list is and how conscientious folks are about building safe. I encourage you to put it on the gotches part of your site, Tim. One person having this problem is one too many. When I got to this stage, I made sure that the spacer did fill the gap properly. Mine came out correctly, but it never occurred to me that there could be the chance that it could possibly come out incorrectly and to make sure folks paid attention to it. Dave, I'll put your write up on my builder's page as a precaution. Nice job! John Jessen 328 - figuring I'll be able to get back at it come the fall, sigh. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comments) Dave, Although I can see what you mean with how this can happen, my question is, are you saying that this problem has a high likelyhood given that the builder actually follows the directions and moves the part 1/8" above the bulkhead in the first place as per the directions? I don't disagree that it might be easier to get that lower brace mated up to the longerons properly if you attached and drilled it at a later step...but I'm also thinking that if the builder just reads the plans and does that first step properly, the chance that they'll have any major problem is pretty small given the matched-hole construction. I'm not doubting that it's still a possibility, but it seems that it should be one of the more uncommon things that could be encountered. Like I said though, if people just matched that part up and drilled it later as you're suggesting, I think that would prevent the issue altogether too. I just don't know how worried people should be as long as they follow the procedures exactly. Also, if they did have a gap, and that angle actually was flat against the skin above but just not fully touching the longeron, I wonder if a shim would take care of the gap too? The catch is, I can't picture people being so far off in that part to cause a gap big enough to easily find thin enough shim stock. Glad your friend caught it and showed you though and that you took the time to write it up. I could add it to the tailcone gotchas section on my site if you'd like...at least as a thinking point. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Dsyvert@aol.com wrote: > Group, > > Attached is a problem that I had, and would never have caught had > I not had an experience builder look over my project. It is not the > type of thing I would think most builders would catch or understand > the implications unless they would know that there could be an issue. > > Please review what I have put together and comment. Sorry that the > drawings and explanation may not be completely clear so I would like > to hear you comments and will change based on everyone's feedback. > > > Dave Syvertson > 40625 > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- See what's free at AOL.com > . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:52 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: First flight completed Wayne! What a day to wait for! So glad you did so your family could be as thrilled as you were. Congratulations! Safe skies! John J do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RV10-List: First flight completed Well, fellow builders, Saturday 6/23, at 8AM N602WT made it's maiden flight. After all this time building the feeling I got when it left old Terra Firma was great. It wasn't the flying as much as the idea that "Hey, I remember when this baby was in a box in pieces" feeling. I had been trying for a couple of weeks to take it up but the weather here in north Texas has been damp to say the least and between my hangar and the runway was a lot of soggy grass. Also because my family wanted to be there I had to wait for the weekends. Anyway, we had a perfect day to fly yesterday and it flew beautifully. It was really a great feeling shooting down the runway with it wanting to get off the ground very quickly. I had put two 50lb sand bags in the rear to move the cg a little bit aft. Once I was in the air, and started breathing again :>}, I was really happy with the control response I was receiving. I made a race track pattern around the airfield and on about my third downwind I let go of the controls and flew the total length hands free. To be honest with all the jockeying around with the aileron and elevator alignment we had to do during the build I thought for sure I would have some type of trim issue, but happily for me I didn't. I had flown transition training with Alex DeDominicis in his 11, but somehow flying in your own plane gives you a completely different feeling or at least it was for me. A good friend of mine on my airfield, Ron Grover and his wife Barb, flew chase plane with me in his RV8. Ron is also building a RV10. I think his build number is 60 or close to that. He's close to taking flight soon also. Anyway with Ron in the air with me we could compare airspeed readings to be sure that my airspeed was reading out correctly and that I didn't have anything leaking out the bottom. Barb was the official camera lady and took some great photos. I've attached a few they sent me last night. In first flight 1 photo if you look down and forward of the plane that is our airport Propwash 16X, which is just north of Fort Worth. We had decided that we would stay up for about 30 minutes in this first flight and we were getting near that time so I decided it was time to stall test the plane before I landed it the first time, so I did and it stalled clean at about 61kts, which is what I think everyone else was finding. After the stall I leveled back out with applying power and the engine did a small hiccup of sort. At that point it seemed like a big hiccup to me. I reduced power and switched tanks and noticed that I had no indicated RPM, even though I knew I did. So it didn't take much thought to decide it was time to get back down to the runway. I did the downwind at 90kt and the final approach at 80kts and was able to land it without embarrassing myself too much. Once back to the hangar we removed the top cowling to inspect for leaks and there were none. I obviously have to get onto why I'm not getting any RPM reading. A first guess is that one of the wire couplers came loose and also, when it did that, it caused my Lasar electronic ignition system to go offline and switch back to the standard mags. I'm guessing that's when I felt the engine hiccup momentarily. I have a light to tell me if the Lasar goes offline but it wasn't on so we'll just have to dig around a little. Anyway, sorry for the long rant but if I had to summarize for you how the plane felt in flight I would have you use the word "smooth". My son and son-in-law videoed the flight and I will post it when they get it to me. Now I've got to get the hiccups fixed and get the time flown off. Boy I have to say I have so many people on my field and others to thank for all the help they've all given me in getting to this point. I know without all their help I wouldn't be ready to fly yet, that's for sure. Muchas gracias to all of them. Wayne Edgerton #40336 Now amongst the flying. Paint date scheduled for September ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:09 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: First flight completed Wayne, that is fantastic news! I'm glad you finally got your big day...and I'm glad your family got to be included in the event. You're definitely another good example of someone who has been persevering for a long time, barely patiently waiting for your first flight. I know the feeling well. Congrats again! Tim Wayne Edgerton wrote: > Well, fellow builders, Saturday 6/23, at 8AM N602WT made its maiden > flight. After all this time building the feeling I got when it left old > Terra Firma was great. It wasnt the flying as much as the idea that > Hey, I remember when this baby was in a box in pieces" feeling. > > > > I had been trying for a couple of weeks to take it up but the weather > here in north Texas has been damp to say the least and between my hangar > and the runway was a lot of soggy grass. Also because my family wanted > to be there I had to wait for the weekends. > > > > Anyway, we had a perfect day to fly yesterday and it flew beautifully. > It was really a great feeling shooting down the runway with it wanting > to get off the ground very quickly. I had put two 50lb sand bags in the > rear to move the cg a little bit aft. Once I was in the air, and started > breathing again :>}, I was really happy with the control response I was > receiving. I made a race track pattern around the airfield and on about > my third downwind I let go of the controls and flew the total length > hands free. To be honest with all the jockeying around with the aileron > and elevator alignment we had to do during the build I thought for sure > I would have some type of trim issue, but happily for me I didnt. > > > > I had flown transition training with Alex DeDominicis in his 11, but > somehow flying in your own plane gives you a completely different > feeling or at least it was for me. > > > > A good friend of mine on my airfield, Ron Grover and his wife Barb, flew > chase plane with me in his RV8. Ron is also building a RV10. I think his > build number is 60 or close to that. Hes close to taking flight soon > also. Anyway with Ron in the air with me we could compare airspeed > readings to be sure that my airspeed was reading out correctly and that > I didnt have anything leaking out the bottom. Barb was the official > camera lady and took some great photos. Ive attached a few they sent me > last night. In *first flight 1* photo if you look down and forward of > the plane that is our airport Propwash 16X, which is just north of Fort > Worth. > > > > We had decided that we would stay up for about 30 minutes in this first > flight and we were getting near that time so I decided it was time to > stall test the plane before I landed it the first time, so I did and it > stalled clean at about 61kts, which is what I think everyone else was > finding. After the stall I leveled back out with applying power and the > engine did a small hiccup of sort. At that point it seemed like a big > hiccup to me. I reduced power and switched tanks and noticed that I had > no indicated RPM, even though I knew I did. So it didnt take much > thought to decide it was time to get back down to the runway. > > > > I did the downwind at 90kt and the final approach at 80kts and was able > to land it without embarrassing myself too much. Once back to the hangar > we removed the top cowling to inspect for leaks and there were none. > > > > I obviously have to get onto why Im not getting any RPM reading. A > first guess is that one of the wire couplers came loose and also, when > it did that, it caused my Lasar electronic ignition system to go offline > and switch back to the standard mags. Im guessing thats when I felt > the engine hiccup momentarily. I have a light to tell me if the Lasar > goes offline but it wasnt on so well just have to dig around a little. > > > > Anyway, sorry for the long rant but if I had to summarize for you how > the plane felt in flight I would have you use the word "smooth". My son > and son-in-law videoed the flight and I will post it when they get it to me. > > > > Now Ive got to get the hiccups fixed and get the time flown off. > > > > Boy I have to say I have so many people on my field and others to thank > for all the help they've all given me in getting to this point. I know > without all their help I wouldn't be ready to fly yet, that's for sure. > Muchas gracias to all of them. > > > > Wayne Edgerton #40336 > > > > Now amongst the flying. Paint date scheduled for September > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:57 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: LASIK Dave, congratulations! You've more chutzpah than I. John J do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: RV10-List: LASIK Well I took the plunge and had LASIK with Intralase this past Thursday morning by Dr. Hale. So far my left eye is 20/15 right eye is 20/25 with some haze in both eyes mostly due to dryness. No affect on near vision. With contacts I was 20/15 L and 20/20 R. I am mostly happy with the results. I am told the haze will clear in a short time and the correction may improve as well. My eyes have been a bit dry and I am using the prescribed drops, antibiotic, anti-inflammatory and tears. Slight halos at night. The Doc said he can tweak either eye in a few months if need be but wants to be sure everything has stabilized first. The procedure is pretty much a non event. Go home, sleep, DON'T RUB YOUR EYES, wake up and see. I will post more results in a few months. Thanks for all the previous comments and inputs. Hope to SEE many of you at OSH! I talked with Tom Poberezney this past week as he is a customer of mine and he said there is a surprise which he could not tell me about and that Thursday is the best day to attend this year. The F-22's will also be back. Dave Leikam Donated my glasses. 40496 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:06 AM PST US From: "bob.kaufmann" Subject: RE: RV10-List: First flight completed Congratulations. Its always an inspiration to the rest of us when we read about a first flight like yours. Bob K _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:17 AM Subject: RV10-List: First flight completed Well, fellow builders, Saturday 6/23, at 8AM N602WT made it's maiden flight. After all this time building the feeling I got when it left old Terra Firma was great. It wasn't the flying as much as the idea that "Hey, I remember when this baby was in a box in pieces" feeling. I had been trying for a couple of weeks to take it up but the weather here in north Texas has been damp to say the least and between my hangar and the runway was a lot of soggy grass. Also because my family wanted to be there I had to wait for the weekends. Anyway, we had a perfect day to fly yesterday and it flew beautifully. It was really a great feeling shooting down the runway with it wanting to get off the ground very quickly. I had put two 50lb sand bags in the rear to move the cg a little bit aft. Once I was in the air, and started breathing again :>}, I was really happy with the control response I was receiving. I made a race track pattern around the airfield and on about my third downwind I let go of the controls and flew the total length hands free. To be honest with all the jockeying around with the aileron and elevator alignment we had to do during the build I thought for sure I would have some type of trim issue, but happily for me I didn't. I had flown transition training with Alex DeDominicis in his 11, but somehow flying in your own plane gives you a completely different feeling or at least it was for me. A good friend of mine on my airfield, Ron Grover and his wife Barb, flew chase plane with me in his RV8. Ron is also building a RV10. I think his build number is 60 or close to that. He's close to taking flight soon also. Anyway with Ron in the air with me we could compare airspeed readings to be sure that my airspeed was reading out correctly and that I didn't have anything leaking out the bottom. Barb was the official camera lady and took some great photos. I've attached a few they sent me last night. In first flight 1 photo if you look down and forward of the plane that is our airport Propwash 16X, which is just north of Fort Worth. We had decided that we would stay up for about 30 minutes in this first flight and we were getting near that time so I decided it was time to stall test the plane before I landed it the first time, so I did and it stalled clean at about 61kts, which is what I think everyone else was finding. After the stall I leveled back out with applying power and the engine did a small hiccup of sort. At that point it seemed like a big hiccup to me. I reduced power and switched tanks and noticed that I had no indicated RPM, even though I knew I did. So it didn't take much thought to decide it was time to get back down to the runway. I did the downwind at 90kt and the final approach at 80kts and was able to land it without embarrassing myself too much. Once back to the hangar we removed the top cowling to inspect for leaks and there were none. I obviously have to get onto why I'm not getting any RPM reading. A first guess is that one of the wire couplers came loose and also, when it did that, it caused my Lasar electronic ignition system to go offline and switch back to the standard mags. I'm guessing that's when I felt the engine hiccup momentarily. I have a light to tell me if the Lasar goes offline but it wasn't on so we'll just have to dig around a little. Anyway, sorry for the long rant but if I had to summarize for you how the plane felt in flight I would have you use the word "smooth". My son and son-in-law videoed the flight and I will post it when they get it to me. Now I've got to get the hiccups fixed and get the time flown off. Boy I have to say I have so many people on my field and others to thank for all the help they've all given me in getting to this point. I know without all their help I wouldn't be ready to fly yet, that's for sure. Muchas gracias to all of them. Wayne Edgerton #40336 Now amongst the flying. Paint date scheduled for September ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:12 AM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: First flight completed Good job! Mark N410MR >From: "Wayne Edgerton" >To: >Subject: RV10-List: First flight completed >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:17:20 -0500 > >Well, fellow builders, Saturday 6/23, at 8AM N602WT made it's maiden >flight. After all this time building the feeling I got when it left old >Terra Firma was great. It wasn't the flying as much as the idea that "Hey, >I remember when this baby was in a box in pieces" feeling. > > >I had been trying for a couple of weeks to take it up but the weather here >in north Texas has been damp to say the least and between my hangar and the >runway was a lot of soggy grass. Also because my family wanted to be there >I had to wait for the weekends. > > >Anyway, we had a perfect day to fly yesterday and it flew beautifully. It >was really a great feeling shooting down the runway with it wanting to get >off the ground very quickly. I had put two 50lb sand bags in the rear to >move the cg a little bit aft. Once I was in the air, and started breathing >again :>}, I was really happy with the control response I was receiving. I >made a race track pattern around the airfield and on about my third >downwind I let go of the controls and flew the total length hands free. To >be honest with all the jockeying around with the aileron and elevator >alignment we had to do during the build I thought for sure I would have >some type of trim issue, but happily for me I didn't. > > >I had flown transition training with Alex DeDominicis in his 11, but >somehow flying in your own plane gives you a completely different feeling >or at least it was for me. > > >A good friend of mine on my airfield, Ron Grover and his wife Barb, flew >chase plane with me in his RV8. Ron is also building a RV10. I think his >build number is 60 or close to that. He's close to taking flight soon also. >Anyway with Ron in the air with me we could compare airspeed readings to be >sure that my airspeed was reading out correctly and that I didn't have >anything leaking out the bottom. Barb was the official camera lady and took >some great photos. I've attached a few they sent me last night. In first >flight 1 photo if you look down and forward of the plane that is our >airport Propwash 16X, which is just north of Fort Worth. > > >We had decided that we would stay up for about 30 minutes in this first >flight and we were getting near that time so I decided it was time to stall >test the plane before I landed it the first time, so I did and it stalled >clean at about 61kts, which is what I think everyone else was finding. >After the stall I leveled back out with applying power and the engine did a >small hiccup of sort. At that point it seemed like a big hiccup to me. I >reduced power and switched tanks and noticed that I had no indicated RPM, >even though I knew I did. So it didn't take much thought to decide it was >time to get back down to the runway. > > >I did the downwind at 90kt and the final approach at 80kts and was able to >land it without embarrassing myself too much. Once back to the hangar we >removed the top cowling to inspect for leaks and there were none. > > >I obviously have to get onto why I'm not getting any RPM reading. A first >guess is that one of the wire couplers came loose and also, when it did >that, it caused my Lasar electronic ignition system to go offline and >switch back to the standard mags. I'm guessing that's when I felt the >engine hiccup momentarily. I have a light to tell me if the Lasar goes >offline but it wasn't on so we'll just have to dig around a little. > > >Anyway, sorry for the long rant but if I had to summarize for you how the >plane felt in flight I would have you use the word "smooth". My son and >son-in-law videoed the flight and I will post it when they get it to me. > > >Now I've got to get the hiccups fixed and get the time flown off. > > >Boy I have to say I have so many people on my field and others to thank for >all the help they've all given me in getting to this point. I know without >all their help I wouldn't be ready to fly yet, that's for sure. Muchas >gracias to all of them. > > >Wayne Edgerton #40336 > > >Now amongst the flying. Paint date scheduled for September > > ><< RV10-first-flight-3.jpg >> ><< RV10-first-flight-2.jpg >> ><< RV10-first-flight-1.jpg >> _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:42 AM PST US From: "John Cram" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comments) Nice catch Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dsyvert@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: RV10-List: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comments) Group, Attached is a problem that I had, and would never have caught had I not had an experience builder look over my project. It is not the type of thing I would think most builders would catch or understand the implications unless they would know that there could be an issue. Please review what I have put together and comment. Sorry that the drawings and explanation may not be completely clear so I would like to hear you comments and will change based on everyone's feedback. Dave Syvertson 40625 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:54 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: First flight completed Nice Job Wayne! Been wondering when the big event would occur. Thanks for your write-up, I'm hoping to be in you shoes in the not too distant future. It seems that once guys are into Stage 1 we don't hear too much about what happens during that period. Hopefully it's because nothing happens, but Murphy seems to be everywhere. I appreciate your posting the RPM issue. And hope you keep us informed about what and how it's resolved. I think it's a real service to those of us still to go down that road to learn from you "forerunners". Congratulations and THANKS Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ W ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:16 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: First flight completed CONGRATULATIONS! Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RV10-List: First flight completed Well, fellow builders, Saturday 6/23, at 8AM N602WT made it's maiden flight. After all this time building the feeling I got when it left old Terra Firma was great. It wasn't the flying as much as the idea that "Hey, I remember when this baby was in a box in pieces" feeling. I had been trying for a couple of weeks to take it up but the weather here in north Texas has been damp to say the least and between my hangar and the runway was a lot of soggy grass. Also because my family wanted to be there I had to wait for the weekends. Anyway, we had a perfect day to fly yesterday and it flew beautifully. It was really a great feeling shooting down the runway with it wanting to get off the ground very quickly. I had put two 50lb sand bags in the rear to move the cg a little bit aft. Once I was in the air, and started breathing again :>}, I was really happy with the control response I was receiving. I made a race track pattern around the airfield and on about my third downwind I let go of the controls and flew the total length hands free. To be honest with all the jockeying around with the aileron and elevator alignment we had to do during the build I thought for sure I would have some type of trim issue, but happily for me I didn't. I had flown transition training with Alex DeDominicis in his 11, but somehow flying in your own plane gives you a completely different feeling or at least it was for me. A good friend of mine on my airfield, Ron Grover and his wife Barb, flew chase plane with me in his RV8. Ron is also building a RV10. I think his build number is 60 or close to that. He's close to taking flight soon also. Anyway with Ron in the air with me we could compare airspeed readings to be sure that my airspeed was reading out correctly and that I didn't have anything leaking out the bottom. Barb was the official camera lady and took some great photos. I've attached a few they sent me last night. In first flight 1 photo if you look down and forward of the plane that is our airport Propwash 16X, which is just north of Fort Worth. We had decided that we would stay up for about 30 minutes in this first flight and we were getting near that time so I decided it was time to stall test the plane before I landed it the first time, so I did and it stalled clean at about 61kts, which is what I think everyone else was finding. After the stall I leveled back out with applying power and the engine did a small hiccup of sort. At that point it seemed like a big hiccup to me. I reduced power and switched tanks and noticed that I had no indicated RPM, even though I knew I did. So it didn't take much thought to decide it was time to get back down to the runway. I did the downwind at 90kt and the final approach at 80kts and was able to land it without embarrassing myself too much. Once back to the hangar we removed the top cowling to inspect for leaks and there were none. I obviously have to get onto why I'm not getting any RPM reading. A first guess is that one of the wire couplers came loose and also, when it did that, it caused my Lasar electronic ignition system to go offline and switch back to the standard mags. I'm guessing that's when I felt the engine hiccup momentarily. I have a light to tell me if the Lasar goes offline but it wasn't on so we'll just have to dig around a little. Anyway, sorry for the long rant but if I had to summarize for you how the plane felt in flight I would have you use the word "smooth". My son and son-in-law videoed the flight and I will post it when they get it to me. Now I've got to get the hiccups fixed and get the time flown off. Boy I have to say I have so many people on my field and others to thank for all the help they've all given me in getting to this point. I know without all their help I wouldn't be ready to fly yet, that's for sure. Muchas gracias to all of them. Wayne Edgerton #40336 Now amongst the flying. Paint date scheduled for September ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:56 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: FW: [LML] Avionics for sale From: "John W. Cox" Some of you may find value in this post. For others, sorry about the waste of bandwidth. John Cox ________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Jeremy Roach Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:51 AM Subject: [LML] Avionics for sale It's that time of year that we are doing some spring cleaning. I've got cabinets full of avionics to get rid of. Some are new and some are old but they are all "as-is" and best offer. I also have a ton of misc indicators so drop an e-mail if your looking for something else. Trimble GPS TNL 2000 $800 Sikorsky AICDII AM/FM/CD $ 500 Apollo CNX80 $5000 Garmin SL15 New $900 Trimble 2000 $1000 Sigma Tek vacuum Attitude indicator 5000b-38 $600 ICOM IC-A200 New $600 Garmin GTX320 $800 ARNAV Loran rcvr R5000 $200 King KN64 DME New $1100 King transponder KT70TSO $3750 PMA 7000M-S New $1550 King KN-64 $1100 Garmin GTX320A $1100 Garmin GI 102A W/O G/S $800 Jeremy M. Roach Avionics Technical Advisor/ Trainer Lancair Avionics 2244 Airport Way Redmond Oregon 97756 Tel. (541) 923-2244 Fax. (541) 923-2255 E-mail: jeremyr@lancairavionics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:42 PM PST US From: Shawn Moon Subject: Re: RV10-List: First flight completed Congrats Wayne!=0A =0A--Shawn=0A40366 - Wings=0A=0A----- Original Message - ---=0AFrom: Wayne Edgerton =0ATo: rv10-list@matronic s.com=0ASent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:17:20 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: First flight completed=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0AWell, fellow =0Abuilders, Saturda y 6/23, at=0A 8AM N602WT made =0Ait=92s maiden flight. After all this time building the feeling I got when it left =0Aold Terra Firma was great. It w asn=92t the flying as much as the idea that =93Hey, I =0Aremember when this baby was in a box in pieces" feeling. =0A=0A=0A =0A =0AI had been trying f or a couple of weeks to take it up but the weather =0Ahere in north Texas h as been damp to say the least and between my hangar and the =0Arunway was a lot of soggy grass. Also because my family wanted to be there I had =0Ato wait for the weekends. =0A=0A =0A =0AAnyway, we had a perfect day to fly ye sterday and it flew beautifully. It =0Awas really a great feeling shooting down the runway with it wanting to get off =0Athe ground very quickly. I ha d put two 50lb sand bags in the rear to move the cg =0Aa little bit aft. On ce I was in the air, and started breathing again :>}, I =0Awas really happy with the control response I was receiving. I made a race track =0Apattern around the airfield and on about my third downwind I let go of the =0Acontr ols and flew the total length hands free. To be honest with all the =0Ajock eying around with the aileron and elevator alignment we had to do during th e =0Abuild I thought for sure I would have some type of trim issue, but hap pily for =0Ame I didn=92t. =0A=0A =0A =0AI had flown transition training wi th Alex DeDominicis in his 11, but =0Asomehow flying in your own plane give s you a completely different feeling or at =0Aleast it was for me. =0A=0A =0A =0AA good friend of mine on my airfield, Ron Grover and his wife Barb, flew =0Achase plane with me in his RV8. Ron is also building a RV10. I thin k his build =0Anumber is 60 or close to that. He=92s close to taking flight soon also. Anyway =0Awith Ron in the air with me we could compare airspeed readings to be sure that =0Amy airspeed was reading out correctly and that I didn=92t have anything leaking =0Aout the bottom. Barb was the official camera lady and took some great photos. =0AI=92ve attached a few they sent me last night. In first flight =0A1 photo if you look down and forward of the plane that is our airport =0APropwash 16X, which is just north of Fort Worth.=0A=0A =0A =0AWe had decided that we would stay up for about 30 minut es in this first =0Aflight and we were getting near that time so I decided it was time to stall test =0Athe plane before I landed it the first time, s o I did and it stalled clean at =0Aabout 61kts, which is what I think every one else was finding. After the stall I =0Aleveled back out with applying p ower and the engine did a small hiccup of sort. =0AAt that point it seemed like a big hiccup to me. I reduced power and switched =0Atanks and noticed that I had no indicated RPM, even though I knew I did. So it =0Adidn=92t ta ke much thought to decide it was time to get back down to the =0Arunway.=0A =0A =0A =0AI did the downwind at 90kt and the final approach at 80kts and w as able =0Ato land it without embarrassing myself too much. Once back to th e hangar we =0Aremoved the top cowling to inspect for leaks and there were none.=0A=0A =0A =0AI obviously have to get onto why I=92m not getting any R PM reading. A first =0Aguess is that one of the wire couplers came loose an d also, when it did that, it =0Acaused my Lasar electronic ignition system to go offline and switch back to the =0Astandard mags. I=92m guessing that =92s when I felt the engine hiccup momentarily. I =0Ahave a light to tell m e if the Lasar goes offline but it wasn=92t on so we=92ll just =0Ahave to d ig around a little.=0A=0A =0A =0AAnyway, sorry for the long rant but if I h ad to summarize for you how the =0Aplane felt in flight I would have you us e the word "smooth". My son and =0Ason-in-law videoed the flight and I will post it when they get it to =0Ame.=0A=0A =0A =0ANow I=92ve got to get the hiccups fixed and get the time flown off. =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Boy I have to s ay I have so =0Amany people on my field and others to thank for all the hel p they've all given =0Ame in getting to this point. I know without all thei r help I wouldn't be ready =0Ato fly yet, that's for sure. Muchas gracias t o all of them.=0A =0A =0A=0A Wayne Edgerton =0A#40336=0A=0A =0A=0ANow amon gst the flying. Paint date scheduled for =0ASeptember=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________________________________ ____________________________=0AIt's here! Your new message! =0AGet new ema il alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.=0Ahttp://tools.search.yahoo.com/too lbar/features/mail/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:24 PM PST US From: "Stephen Blank" Subject: RV10-List: First RV-10 ride A big thanks goes out to Rob Kermanj. I was visiting a friend at Treasure Coast Air Park in Port St. Lucie, Florida. We took his RV-6a for a breakfast hop. What a great flying plane. After landing, we watched a few planes in the pattern, and in comes a beautiful RV-10, N225ES !!! After landing, Rob invited me for a ride. I got a full ride including take off and landing with great instruction from a non CFI. Take off was uneventful with great performance with just finger tips on the stick. turns required minimal elevator to maintain altitude. In the pattern with reduced power the slow flight and half flap settings were very easy to manage speed. Landing was a breeze compared to my Cessna 170, it was my first trike landing in 4 years! I voluntered to babysit the -10 any time! Rob, thanks again for a great ride and letting me experience that RV grin (in someone elses RV). Today i finished building my left elevator and dimpled the spars for the right elevator..... I am high on motivation. -- Stephen G. Blank, DDS RV-10 Kit #40499 184 NW Central Park Plaza Port St. Lucie, FL 34986 772-475-5556 >>> Cell ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:05 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: [LML] Avionics for sale For those of us "still" building & shopping it's a much valued use of bandwidth. KABONG Do Not Archive HRII, awaiting RV-12 >From: "John W. Cox" >Date: 2007/06/24 Sun PM 03:38:45 CDT >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: FW: [LML] Avionics for sale > >Some of you may find value in this post.For others, sorry about the waste of bandwidth. > >John Cox > >From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On BehalfOf Jeremy Roach >Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:51AM >To: lml@lancaironline.net >Subject: [LML] Avionics for sale > >It's that time of year that we are doing some springcleaning. I've got cabinets full of avionics to get rid of. Some are new andsome are old but they are all "as-is" and best offer. I also have aton of misc indicators so drop an e-mail if your looking for something else. > > >Trimble GPS TNL 2000 $800 >Sikorsky AICDII AM/FM/CD $ 500 >Apollo CNX80 $5000 >Garmin SL15 New $900 >Trimble 2000 $1000 >Sigma Tek vacuum Attitude indicator 5000b-38 $600 >ICOM IC-A200 New $600 >Garmin GTX320 $800 >ARNAV Loran rcvr R5000 $200 >King KN64 DME New $1100 >King transponder KT70TSO $3750 >PMA 7000M-S New $1550 >King KN-64 $1100 >Garmin GTX320A $1100 >Garmin GI 102A W/O G/S $800 > >Jeremy M. Roach >Avionics Technical Advisor/ Trainer >Lancair Avionics >2244 Airport Way >Redmond Oregon 97756 >Tel. (541) 923-2244 >Fax. (541) 923-2255 >E-mail: jeremyr@lancairavionics.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:15 PM PST US From: Dsyvert@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Potential Gotcha on HS stabilizer attachment (looking for comm... Group, Thanks for the comments. Here are a few additional thoughts I have: 1) I think my calling it a gotcha is incorrect. A better name would be best practices. Gotcha assumes something is wrong either with the instructions and/or the kit which is not the case. Best practices would be to get a better product. So.. in putting this portion of the project together it would be a best practice if there is no stress to begin with. I think something similar to my procedure would do that. If you are even off 1/64" then it will be under stress when you tighten up the bolts to the longeron. Better not to start with stress to begin with. 2) When building these planes, there are parts/steps that are more critical than others. I believe this is one of the more important steps that I have found so far. Eventually 4 bolts in front and 4 bolts in back hold most (but not all) of the tail assembly together (HS, VS, Rudder, Elevators). Part of my purpose was to point out how important this step is to the assembly. 3) What Tim said got me thinking about an alternative way. What I did (originally) was mark using a fine point sharpie the 1/8" line. I just measured the thickness of a line created by a "fine" point sharpie, it is 4/64" wide or 1/16" wide. Not real accurate. I thinks a better way (if the 7 holes are drilled during step 2 on page 10-4) would be to use the 1/8" bar (F-1010-B that is not fabricated till step 3 on page 10-10) on top of the angle "iron" so that it is flat on top of the bulk head and use another flat piece across and then drill the 7 holes. Then I believe a near perfect clearance would be obtained. I would suggest looking ahead to page 10-11 on the drawing section A-A to where the longeron is fit. Thanks for the comments and would be interested in more. Dave Syvertson 40625 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:25 PM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: First flight completed Way to go Wayne! thanks for sharing your thrill with the rest of us - it surely is a motivation to complete. John Testement HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RV10-List: First flight completed Well, fellow builders, Saturday 6/23, at 8AM N602WT made it=92s maiden flight. After all this time building the feeling I got when it left old Terra Firma was great. It wasn=92t the flying as much as the idea that =93Hey, I remember when this baby was in a box in pieces" feeling. I had been trying for a couple of weeks to take it up but the weather here in north Texas has been damp to say the least and between my hangar and the runway was a lot of soggy grass. Also because my family wanted to be there I had to wait for the weekends. Anyway, we had a perfect day to fly yesterday and it flew beautifully. It was really a great feeling shooting down the runway with it wanting to get off the ground very quickly. I had put two 50lb sand bags in the rear to move the cg a little bit aft. Once I was in the air, and started breathing again :>}, I was really happy with the control response I was receiving. I made a race track pattern around the airfield and on about my third downwind I let go of the controls and flew the total length hands free. To be honest with all the jockeying around with the aileron and elevator alignment we had to do during the build I thought for sure I would have some type of trim issue, but happily for me I didn=92t. I had flown transition training with Alex DeDominicis in his 11, but somehow flying in your own plane gives you a completely different feeling or at least it was for me. A good friend of mine on my airfield, Ron Grover and his wife Barb, flew chase plane with me in his RV8. Ron is also building a RV10. I think his build number is 60 or close to that. He=92s close to taking flight soon also. Anyway with Ron in the air with me we could compare airspeed readings to be sure that my airspeed was reading out correctly and that I didn=92t have anything leaking out the bottom. Barb was the official camera lady and took some great photos. I=92ve attached a few they sent me last night. In first flight 1 photo if you look down and forward of the plane that is our airport Propwash 16X, which is just north of Fort Worth. We had decided that we would stay up for about 30 minutes in this first flight and we were getting near that time so I decided it was time to stall test the plane before I landed it the first time, so I did and it stalled clean at about 61kts, which is what I think everyone else was finding. After the stall I leveled back out with applying power and the engine did a small hiccup of sort. At that point it seemed like a big hiccup to me. I reduced power and switched tanks and noticed that I had no indicated RPM, even though I knew I did. So it didn=92t take much thought to decide it was time to get back down to the runway. I did the downwind at 90kt and the final approach at 80kts and was able to land it without embarrassing myself too much. Once back to the hangar we removed the top cowling to inspect for leaks and there were none. I obviously have to get onto why I=92m not getting any RPM reading. A first guess is that one of the wire couplers came loose and also, when it did that, it caused my Lasar electronic ignition system to go offline and switch back to the standard mags. I=92m guessing that=92s when I felt the engine hiccup momentarily. I have a light to tell me if the Lasar goes offline but it wasn=92t on so we=92ll just have to dig around a little. Anyway, sorry for the long rant but if I had to summarize for you how the plane felt in flight I would have you use the word "smooth". My son and son-in-law videoed the flight and I will post it when they get it to me. Now I=92ve got to get the hiccups fixed and get the time flown off. Boy I have to say I have so many people on my field and others to thank for all the help they've all given me in getting to this point. I know without all their help I wouldn't be ready to fly yet, that's for sure. Muchas gracias to all of them. Wayne Edgerton #40336 Now amongst the flying. Paint date scheduled for September 8:33 AM 8:33 AM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: parking brake cable From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." T-handle dash contrl 1 wire 8 feet p/n 05-15100 Hope this helps Also I attached a spring to the control arm to ensure it would be pulled back when the handle was released -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: parking brake cable Lloyd - do U have the numer of the spruce product? I was also remided that you should make sure that you have a positive release system. If you are flying an land with the brake on - baaaaad things could happen. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=120015#120015 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:58 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: What to get with the wing kit recommendations How much proseal should I count on needing to seal the wing fuel tanks? Is 1 quart enough, or should I plan on 2 quarts? Thanks! Pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Rosen" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: What to get with the wing kit recommendations > > Don't forget the proseal :-) It is the only thing you will need to start. > All the rest can wait. > > The other items that others have mentioned will be needed more towards the > end of the wing build > > Conduit (if you are going that route) > Gretz pitot mount (for a heated pitot tube) > Aileron trim > > and then the lighting choices. > For landing lights I chose the the LoPresti boom beams that they announced > this year at S&F (the still do not have them listed on there web site > ) > And for strobes and Nav lights I have the Whelen A650 style purchased from > vans. Whelen should be out with a 12 volt LED version with the same form > factor at OSH. I was told that the pricing will be very similar to the > A650. We could only hope. > Nav antennas in the wing tips (get them from Stein) > Marker beacon antenna, just a stripped piece of coax, in one of the tips > > > Pascal wrote: >> I looked in the archives and couldn't quite find what I should order with >> the wings. I also looked at Tim's site and maybe missed this somewhere. >> -Should I buy the strobes and positions lights now while building the >> wings? >> -Should I get the options Van's offers? Float fuel sender units, landing >> lights? >> - Should I get anything else? >> I would also like recommendations of places to get things and part >> numbers/ links, etc... I know Deems rated the LED lights he got very >> highly, he also has a link for it, however that site also says to buy the >> power unit and position lights elsewhere. William Curtis has a link to >> Strobes n more and I saw a kit for $159.. >> In summary I am looking for what people bought, the place and part >> number and when they actually put them in the wings. >> Thanks! >> Pascal >> * >> >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:21 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: RV10-List: What to get with the wing kit recommendations I used 2 quarts. Steve Mills N750SM (reserved) RV-10 40486 Slow-build, Eggenfellner E-6T Naperville, Illinois Finishing kit Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: What to get with the wing kit recommendations How much proseal should I count on needing to seal the wing fuel tanks? Is 1 quart enough, or should I plan on 2 quarts? Thanks! Pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Rosen" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: What to get with the wing kit recommendations > > Don't forget the proseal :-) It is the only thing you will need to start. > All the rest can wait. > > The other items that others have mentioned will be needed more towards the > end of the wing build > > Conduit (if you are going that route) > Gretz pitot mount (for a heated pitot tube) > Aileron trim > > and then the lighting choices. > For landing lights I chose the the LoPresti boom beams that they announced > this year at S&F (the still do not have them listed on there web site > ) > And for strobes and Nav lights I have the Whelen A650 style purchased from > vans. Whelen should be out with a 12 volt LED version with the same form > factor at OSH. I was told that the pricing will be very similar to the > A650. We could only hope. > Nav antennas in the wing tips (get them from Stein) > Marker beacon antenna, just a stripped piece of coax, in one of the tips > > > Pascal wrote: >> I looked in the archives and couldn't quite find what I should order with >> the wings. I also looked at Tim's site and maybe missed this somewhere. >> -Should I buy the strobes and positions lights now while building the >> wings? >> -Should I get the options Van's offers? Float fuel sender units, landing >> lights? >> - Should I get anything else? >> I would also like recommendations of places to get things and part >> numbers/ links, etc... I know Deems rated the LED lights he got very >> highly, he also has a link for it, however that site also says to buy the >> power unit and position lights elsewhere. William Curtis has a link to >> Strobes n more and I saw a kit for $159.. >> In summary I am looking for what people bought, the place and part >> number and when they actually put them in the wings. >> Thanks! >> Pascal >> * >> >> >> * > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:15 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: What to get with the wing kit recommendations From: "orchidman" I used less then one full quart and a dozen syringes. I still have an unopened quart in the freezer. For me the key was using many syringes so that I could accurately apply just the amount I wanted where I wanted it. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N410GB reserved) do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=120450#120450 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.