RV10-List Digest Archive

Mon 07/02/07


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:11 AM - Re: Fuselage foward center spar (Michael Wellenzohn)
     2. 06:25 AM - Re: sheet metal edge protector (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
     3. 08:05 AM - Re: FW: No longer a glider! (Ed Godfrey)
     4. 09:30 AM - Re: Starter damage after kick back on hot start (Randy DeBauw)
     5. 12:36 PM - More power! RP-4 (Jay Brinkmeyer)
     6. 02:00 PM - Camping share? ()
     7. 03:49 PM - Re: More power! RP-4 (Scott Schmidt)
     8. 03:59 PM - Re: Fuselage foward center spar (Eric_Kallio)
     9. 04:24 PM - Re: More power! RP-4 (John Gonzalez)
    10. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage foward center spar (John W. Cox)
    11. 06:40 PM - Safety Wire protective sleeve (John W. Cox)
    12. 08:12 PM - Re: FW: No longer a glider! (Pascal)
    13. 09:06 PM - Re: FW: No longer a glider! (Richard Sipp)
    14. 09:20 PM - OSH Camping Logistics (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:11:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuselage foward center spar
    From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
    They are for shure not matchdrilled. The QB Kits are not matchdrilled eather. Michael -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121735#121735


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    Time: 06:25:44 AM PST US
    Subject: sheet metal edge protector
    From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
    We call it tractor grommet, and we buy it at Aviall. Dan N289DT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lewis Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: sheet metal edge protector On my RV-6A I used flexible plastic edge protector (photos attached) to protect items (wire, usually) from sharp sheet metal edges. I can't remember what this plastic stuff is called, or where to order it. I'd like to use some on my RV-10. Can anybody help me out with nomenclature and/or source? Thanks, Tim Lewis RV-6A N47TD, 930 hrs RV-10 N31TD (reserved) KHEF


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    Time: 08:05:45 AM PST US
    From: Ed Godfrey <egodfrey@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: No longer a glider!
    Tim, I would be interested to know, for future reference, did you provide a core for G&N to work with or did they have one that you purchased from them? Ed Godfrey 40717 tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero wrote: > > *Engine installed no longer a glider!* > > *Rebuilt IO-540 by G&N Aircraft, Griffith, IN* > > * * > > *Tim D-T* > > *40025* > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >


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    Time: 09:30:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Starter damage after kick back on hot start
    From: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
    I have not checked the RH P lead in the start position yet but in 2 years never having a kick back makes me think all is well. It is something I will check the next time I have the cover off. Randy ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Starter damage after kick back on hot start This is all pretty much conjecture since I haven't a clue what really went on .... but kickback is usually caused by the right (non-impulse) mag firing at low engine RPM. The only other way for kickback to occur would be if there was a piece of red-hot carbon still in the offending cylinder .... and I wouldn't expect it to last the 5-8 minutes you were shut down. If you don't have a mag switch with a start position and you started on both ...... especially with the sky-tec starter ..... or the right mag has a p-lead problem ...... I'd expect to get kickback. Linn do not archive Randy DeBauw wrote: We about a week ago I gave a friend a ride in Central Washington. It was in the low 90's deg oat. I dropped him off and I was on the ground for 5 - 8 min. When I tried my normal hot restart I have been using for 2 years experienced a kick back. This was not normal at all and to keep it from doing it again I went full rich on mix and ran fuel pump for 5 seconds or so to add some cold fuel to the cylinders. I knew that it would give me a flooded condition but that was my intent. This added cool fuel the intake and I was able to make a flooded hot start with no problem. Here is the issue. Immediately after the kick back the starter started to make a grinding noise much like the old Chevy starters that needed shimming. I pulled apart the starter last night and looked it over. It looked fine. I called SkyTec this morning and the confirmed that a kick back will almost always cause a bent shaft in the starter. They make the starter so that it will give way on kick backs and save the ring gear. They said that to replace every part in the starter cost 150.00 buck and is a lot cheaper than messing with a new flywheel ring gear. I agree!. So be aware if a kick back happens to you and a new noise develops. Randy 40006


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    Time: 12:36:37 PM PST US
    From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    Subject: More power! RP-4
    http://www.barnstormers.com/eFLYER/2007/070600eFLYER.html Does "4" stand for the number of seconds to live once this baby starts down the runway? Regards, Jay Do Not Archive Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php


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    Time: 02:00:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Camping share?
    From: <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
    Anyone going to the latter half of the Oshkosh show and want to split the "overhead" cost of staking out a camping spot? I'd be using it the night of 24 July and 25 July, vacating on 26 July. Hit me off the list: tdt@aurora.aero TDT


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    Time: 03:49:15 PM PST US
    From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: More power! RP-4
    Looks like the back is a Questair Venture with a slight extension on the nose. Man, would I love to watch that thing on the first flight........from a distance of course. I bet everyone thought the Bell X-1 was a death trap too when they rolled it out. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 12:35:36 PM Subject: RV10-List: More power! RP-4 http://www.barnstormers.com/eFLYER/2007/070600eFLYER.html Does "4" stand for the number of seconds to live once this baby starts down the runway? Regards, Jay Do Not Archive Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php


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    Time: 03:59:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuselage foward center spar
    From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
    After a conversation with Van's it is acceptable to file down the web of the spar. The key is to not enlarge the bolt holes through the spar. Hopefully this will save anyone else some worry if it happens to you also. The person I talked to said this wasn't the first occurence of this problem. I am willing to bet it won't be the last. Eric 40518-Starting fuse side skins Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121872#121872


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    Time: 04:24:15 PM PST US
    From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: More power! RP-4
    The difference of course was the Bell X-1 didn't need to take off from its own landing gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This looks like something out of the movie "Dune" or it could be a large Cuisanart John G. >From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: More power! RP-4 >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:48:05 -0700 (PDT) > >Looks like the back is a Questair Venture with a slight extension on the >nose. >Man, would I love to watch that thing on the first flight........from a >distance of course. > >I bet everyone thought the Bell X-1 was a death trap too when they rolled >it out. > >Scott Schmidt >scottmschmidt@yahoo.com > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> >To: RV10 <rv10-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 12:35:36 PM >Subject: RV10-List: More power! RP-4 > > > >http://www.barnstormers.com/eFLYER/2007/070600eFLYER.html > >Does "4" stand for the number of seconds to live once this baby starts down >the >runway? > >Regards, >Jay > >Do Not Archive > > >Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of >spyware protection. >http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php


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    Time: 06:37:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuselage foward center spar
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    Would everyone consider identifying whom at VANS they receive information from for future posts. The power of "VANS told me to do it this way" carries a lot of clout. Recently someone on the RV list said a DAR advised not to safety wire prop attachment bolts to the prop hub. That comment could be blasphemy and every DAR is smeared with the same dangerous advice that is brushed by that directive. This is not to diminish the value of advice but not all information is vetted or accurate. Safety for every builder should be consistent. It is amazing how a mis-understood piece of advice can be slightly altered with major event change. You are the Manufacturer and you set the quality standard. Its kind of like the Zenith TVs of decades ago. "The quality goes in before the name goes on". Zenith never identified the quality or when they shipped the production out of the USA for cheaper labor costs. Van just makes parts (and a great kit concept). Get a second opinion for the benefit of your loved ones on filing of structural members. The spar and its web is no minor component of your investment. As mass produced "Builder Assist" RV-10 kits make there way into the insurance pool, a simple misunderstanding can make for major structural change. Not all change is positive. John Cox - KUAO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuselage foward center spar After a conversation with Van's it is acceptable to file down the web of the spar. The key is to not enlarge the bolt holes through the spar. Hopefully this will save anyone else some worry if it happens to you also. The person I talked to said this wasn't the first occurence of this problem. I am willing to bet it won't be the last. Eric 40518-Starting fuse side skins Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121872#121872


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    Time: 06:40:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Safety Wire protective sleeve
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    Harbor Freight is having a sale on a storage container and misc black shrink tubing to place over safety wire which can reduce the chance of chafing a prop, hub or oil filter canister <<13.gif>> . FYI Item 92300 with the attached coupon for $3.99. The container is a great drill bit storage tray when the shrink tubing is gone. Offer good till the 7th. John Cox #600


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    Time: 08:12:52 PM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: No longer a glider!
    In the recent SportAviation I saw an ad for G&N (pg 154) NEW GENUINE LYCOMING "says no cores required, balanced and dyno tested." www.gnaircraft.com Pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Godfrey" <egodfrey@ameritech.net> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: No longer a glider! > > Tim, > I would be interested to know, for future reference, did you provide a > core for G&N to work with or did they have one that you purchased from > them? > > Ed Godfrey > 40717 > > tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero wrote: >> >> *Engine installed no longer a glider!* >> >> *Rebuilt IO-540 by G&N Aircraft, Griffith, IN* >> >> * * >> >> *Tim D-T* >> >> *40025* >> >> -- >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > > >


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    Time: 09:06:13 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: No longer a glider!
    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:12 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: No longer a glider! > > In the recent SportAviation I saw an ad for G&N (pg 154) > NEW GENUINE LYCOMING > "says no cores required, balanced and dyno tested." www.gnaircraft.com G&N is one of the 5 engine shops authorized by Lycoming to build their experimental engine kit so, all the parts they use are new and come as a complete un-assembled kit from Lycoming. Modifications are also OK but I would check that with G&N. I bought the IO 540 for the 10 from them. They also rebuilt the core I used for the RV4. It was a great engine for the 750 hours that I flew the airplane. They run the engines in a test cell before delivery and are great folks to work with. Ask for Dennis Wyman. Dick Sipp RV4 sold RV10 N110DV, 40065 finishing


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    Time: 09:20:34 PM PST US
    Subject: OSH Camping Logistics
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    For those that are reserving sites at RV-10 HQ in Camp Scholler, I will send out an email to everybody probably late in the day on Tuesday 7/17 with contact cell phone numbers for Tim, Gary and I along with a map to the location. Game plan is that you should call one of us when about 20-30 minutes out and one of us will meet you at the Camp Scholler entrance with your campsite credentials and car pass. Obviously we won't know the exact location before Tuesday AM, but if you have any other questions feel free to contact me before then. *** Begin Advertisement *** Current count is up to 16 sites. Time is getting short if you want to reserve a site of your own! I have sent a confirmation email to all that I've received a check from - if you haven't received an email, I haven't received your check. I can also accept PayPal using my email address for the account. *** End Advertisement *** Bob #40105




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