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1. 05:52 AM - OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you (Tim Olson)
2. 06:16 AM - No longer a glider ()
3. 06:22 AM - Re: OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you (Patrick ONeill)
4. 06:34 AM - Re: OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you (Tim Olson)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: No longer a glider (linn Walters)
6. 06:48 AM - More testing with OAT and Static Ports. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
7. 07:13 AM - Re: More testing with OAT and Static Ports. (Tim Olson)
8. 10:46 AM - Re: OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you (orchidman)
9. 02:53 PM - Re: More testing with OAT and Static Ports. (Bob Leffler)
10. 03:16 PM - Re: More testing with OAT and Static Ports. (rv10builder)
11. 03:17 PM - FW: Avionics-List: Crossbow NAV425EX Service Bulletin (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 03:35 PM - Re: Fuselage foward center spar (Eric_Kallio)
13. 07:00 PM - Re: More testing with OAT and Static Ports. (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
14. 07:40 PM - Re: More testing with OAT and Static Ports. (rv10builder)
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| Subject: | OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you |
Don't know if people follow AvWeb news but with the FAA bill
now not including user fees, there are some changes that
affect you as a builder, and a pilot.
In general, I'm not surprised by this, and if they're going to have
fees, these at least make more sense. I've always wondered why the
FAA registration fees were so cheap and the state stuff was way
more expensive. I mean, for the small amount I spent to get my
N-Number and register the plane, I don't know how they paid their
people (oh yeah, taxes. ;) )
But anyway, check out the schedule of fees:
http://www.avweb.com/newspics/FAA_service_fees.pdf
You'll now have to pay a lot more to get a special N-Number
and if you reserve it, you'll spend a lot more to keep it
reserved. So if you're currently within 6-12 months of
needing that number, it might be a good time to get it over
with.
The one fee that does bug me from the list is the $42 for
the issuance of a medical. The medical is given to you from
your AME if I remember right. If Oklahoma isn't issuing it,
I don't think $42 is appropriate at all, considering you still
have to pay your AME. Now, if they would make a flat-rate
$100 or something for the AME charge plus medical, that
would be another story.
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | No longer a glider |
FYI, we had a core and some other parts and for a while were laboring
under the delusion that we could put the engine together ourselves with
the right manuals. Then we woke up and decided to ship the whole kit
and caboodle to G&N and let the experts build up the engine and run it.
TDT
40025
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| Subject: | OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you |
Hmm... If passed, when do the new rates take effect? Immediately? Or upon
some future date?
Patrick Oneill #40715
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:51 AM
Subject: RV10-List: OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you
Don't know if people follow AvWeb news but with the FAA bill now not
including user fees, there are some changes that affect you as a builder,
and a pilot.
In general, I'm not surprised by this, and if they're going to have fees,
these at least make more sense. I've always wondered why the FAA
registration fees were so cheap and the state stuff was way more expensive.
I mean, for the small amount I spent to get my N-Number and register the
plane, I don't know how they paid their people (oh yeah, taxes. ;) )
But anyway, check out the schedule of fees:
http://www.avweb.com/newspics/FAA_service_fees.pdf
You'll now have to pay a lot more to get a special N-Number
and if you reserve it, you'll spend a lot more to keep it reserved. So if
you're currently within 6-12 months of needing that number, it might be a
good time to get it over with.
The one fee that does bug me from the list is the $42 for
the issuance of a medical. The medical is given to you from your AME if I
remember right. If Oklahoma isn't issuing it, I don't think $42 is
appropriate at all, considering you still have to pay your AME. Now, if
they would make a flat-rate $100 or something for the AME charge plus
medical, that would be another story.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you |
I haven't seen that discussed at all. It could be a while I'd
think, but you never know. We'll just have to see how it
goes. The sure thing though is if you are actually able
to get your N-number applied and registered right now, it might
be a good idea. You'd have to be near the end of the build,
but there are probably many (dozens and dozens) that could benefit
from quick action.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Patrick ONeill wrote:
>
> Hmm... If passed, when do the new rates take effect? Immediately? Or upon
> some future date?
>
> Patrick Oneill #40715
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:51 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you
>
>
>
> Don't know if people follow AvWeb news but with the FAA bill now not
> including user fees, there are some changes that affect you as a builder,
> and a pilot.
>
> In general, I'm not surprised by this, and if they're going to have fees,
> these at least make more sense. I've always wondered why the FAA
> registration fees were so cheap and the state stuff was way more expensive.
> I mean, for the small amount I spent to get my N-Number and register the
> plane, I don't know how they paid their people (oh yeah, taxes. ;) )
>
> But anyway, check out the schedule of fees:
> http://www.avweb.com/newspics/FAA_service_fees.pdf
>
> You'll now have to pay a lot more to get a special N-Number
> and if you reserve it, you'll spend a lot more to keep it reserved. So if
> you're currently within 6-12 months of needing that number, it might be a
> good time to get it over with.
>
> The one fee that does bug me from the list is the $42 for
> the issuance of a medical. The medical is given to you from your AME if I
> remember right. If Oklahoma isn't issuing it, I don't think $42 is
> appropriate at all, considering you still have to pay your AME. Now, if
> they would make a flat-rate $100 or something for the AME charge plus
> medical, that would be another story.
>
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| Subject: | Re: No longer a glider |
I'm surprised. I've rebuilt a couple of engines ..... sent the case and
cam/crank out for measurement and overhaul ..... and new bushings where
required. Assembly isn't that hard. Hardest part is splitting the case
without the tool made for that.
Linn
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tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero wrote:
> FYI, we had a core and some other parts and for a while were laboring
> under the delusion that we could put the engine together ourselves
> with the right manuals. Then we woke up and decided to ship the whole
> kit and caboodle to G&N and let the experts build up the engine and
> run it.
>
>
>
> TDT
>
> 40025
>
>
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| Subject: | More testing with OAT and Static Ports. |
Over the weekend I changed out my flat faced static ports from Cleveland Tools
to there new dome faced ones. When I called them about the error (TAS was 5
- 6 knots low on my Dynon versus 4-way GPS TAS) I was having with the original
flat faced ones, they sent me the new dome faced ones at no charge (awesome folks
at Cleveland). I also mounted another OAT in my left wing on the wing spar
flange right in front of the middle inspection plate, which was connected to
a General Purpose input on my Dynon Engine Monitor. My other OAT is mounted
in the aft half moon bulkhead under the emp fairing, which is connected to the
compass module for the Dynon EFIS.
Well with these changes completed, Loal Wood (RV-7, XP-360 injected with cold
induction, Dual OAT's in each wing) and Tom Deutsch (RV-10, IO-540, OAT in NACA
vent inlet connected to Dynon Compass Module) went up to do some comparison
testing. Loal was reading 61 degrees on both of his OAT's which were out in each
wing, while I was reading 61 on my OAT that was out in the wing on the Dynon
EMS, but my was reading 67 on my OAT under the emp fairing. Tom on the other
hand was reading 68 on his OAT in the NACA vent inlet. Since all three of
us had Dynon EFIS and EMS's with OAT connected, we concluded the correct OAT was
from the OAT's that were mounted out in the wing regardless if they were connected
to the EFIS or EMS, since Loal's both read the same value both on the
ground and in the air.
Now as for the TAS error I was seeing after my post from last week, which showed
my Dynon TAS being 5 - 6 knots low. I did another run and here are the numbers.
TRK IAS TAS GS OAT MAP RPM FF ALT DA
-----------------------------------------------------
0 144 168 182 60 22.0 2450 14.6 8500 10420
90 144 168 164 60 22.0 2450 14.6 8500 10420
180 144 169 158 60 22.0 2450 14.6 8500 10420
270 144 168 176 60 22.0 2450 14.5 8500 10420
----
170.3
From this I concluded that the domed faced static ports have corrected my TAS
error to the point where I am reading 1 - 2 knots low versus 5 - 6 knots before.
I believe this is the same experience that Tin Olson has seen when he changed
his static port out. Also since I now had the OAT on the EMS with Dynon's
latest 3.0RC4 beta code which now has the % HP, it was showing that this test
run was at 74% power ROP. There is no doubt my speeds would be faster trying
this again at a DA of 8000 versus the 10420, but I need to leave something for
another day.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
N519RV (40250) Hobbs 266
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| Subject: | Re: More testing with OAT and Static Ports. |
Ray,
You are absolutely to be applauded for your input and efforts on this.
It's very refreshing to see someone take the time to validate everything
to a good extent. Indeed you're right....I had the same flat-faced
ports and was reading 6.5-7.5kts low, and after swapping them for
the domed ports I'm now about 1.8kts low if my repetitive testing
averages are right. -1.8 is good enough for me, although the
perfectionist in me gets tempted to make it better...luckily the
lazy man in me tempers that a bit.
Also, that was great of you to take the time to verify OAT probe
positions and temp errors. Hopefully people will take that to
heart.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>
> Over the weekend I changed out my flat faced static ports from
> Cleveland Tools to there new dome faced ones. When I called them
> about the error (TAS was 5 - 6 knots low on my Dynon versus 4-way GPS
> TAS) I was having with the original flat faced ones, they sent me the
> new dome faced ones at no charge (awesome folks at Cleveland). I
> also mounted another OAT in my left wing on the wing spar flange
> right in front of the middle inspection plate, which was connected to
> a General Purpose input on my Dynon Engine Monitor. My other OAT is
> mounted in the aft half moon bulkhead under the emp fairing, which is
> connected to the compass module for the Dynon EFIS. Well with these
> changes completed, Loal Wood (RV-7, XP-360 injected with cold
> induction, Dual OAT's in each wing) and Tom Deutsch (RV-10, IO-540,
> OAT in NACA vent inlet connected to Dynon Compass Module) went up to
> do some comparison testing. Loal was reading 61 degrees on both of
> his OAT's which were out in each wing, while I was reading 61 on my
> OAT that was out in the wing on the Dynon EMS, but my was reading 67
> on my OAT under the emp fairing. Tom on the other hand was reading
> 68 on his OAT in the NACA vent inlet. Since all three of us had
> Dynon EFIS and EMS's with OAT connected, we concluded the correct OAT
> was from the OAT's that were mounted out in the wing regardless if
> they were connected to the EFIS or EMS, since Loal's both read the
> same value both on the ground and in the air. Now as for the TAS
> error I was seeing after my post from last week, which showed my
> Dynon TAS being 5 - 6 knots low. I did another run and here are the
> numbers.
>
> TRK IAS TAS GS OAT MAP RPM FF ALT DA
> ----------------------------------------------------- 0 144 168 182
> 60 22.0 2450 14.6 8500 10420 90 144 168 164 60 22.0 2450 14.6 8500
> 10420 180 144 169 158 60 22.0 2450 14.6 8500 10420 270 144 168 176 60
> 22.0 2450 14.5 8500 10420 ---- 170.3
>
>
> From this I concluded that the domed faced static ports have
> corrected my TAS error to the point where I am reading 1 - 2 knots
> low versus 5 - 6 knots before. I believe this is the same experience
> that Tin Olson has seen when he changed his static port out. Also
> since I now had the OAT on the EMS with Dynon's latest 3.0RC4 beta
> code which now has the % HP, it was showing that this test run was at
> 74% power ROP. There is no doubt my speeds would be faster trying
> this again at a DA of 8000 versus the 10420, but I need to leave
> something for another day.
>
>
>
>
> Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) Hobbs 266
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Your N-Number's gonna cost you |
poneill(at)irealms.com wrote:
> Hmm... If passed, when do the new rates take effect? Immediately? Or upon
> some future date?
> Patrick Oneill #40715
> --
The answer is what ever it says in the final signed bill.
HOWEVER there are several ways to look at this at this point in time. The airlines
pushed what in the Senate bill? Fees for using ATC which would lower their
total cost of doing business and push out some of the other traffic that they
claim gets in their way. Most of that was squashed.
In the House we are not hearing much about ATC fees but now some in DC are pushing
user fees for interfacing with the FAA. How will this impact the airlines?
BIG time. At over a hundred a pop for Registration, Dealer Certificates, Certificates,
Lien Recordings and Legal opinions, this is going to add some big
bucks to the FAAs till. The volume in these areas is very high.
As far as the medical, unless you need a first class certificate, you are only
going to be sending a piece of pager to the FAA every 2 or 3 years. Dont think
this will generate the cash like the Registration fees would.
The fees probably need to be increased but all at once is a bit excessive. With
the airlines and many others against this, we may only see a fraction or none
of these proposed increases. If I remember correctly, these fees have been
hanging around for over a year. Maybe we need to kick AOPAs butt to get them
to change their mind about the House bill. Some of the warts need to be chopped
off!
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N410GB reserved)
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| Subject: | More testing with OAT and Static Ports. |
It doesn't appear that Cleaveland has updated their web site. What's the
new part number? I'm assuming they are the same price as the old ones?
Has anyone measured the ones from Rivethead-Aero yet? Do they exhibit
similar issues?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: More testing with OAT and Static Ports.
<Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Over the weekend I changed out my flat faced static ports from
Cleveland Tools to there new dome faced ones. When I called them about the
error (TAS was 5 - 6 knots low on my Dynon versus 4-way GPS TAS) I was
having with the original flat faced ones, they sent me the new dome faced
ones at no charge (awesome folks at Cleveland). I also mounted another OAT
in my left wing on the wing spar flange right in front of the middle
inspection plate, which was connected to a General Purpose input on my Dynon
Engine Monitor. My other OAT is mounted in the aft half moon bulkhead under
the emp fairing, which is connected to the compass module for the Dynon
EFIS.
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| Subject: | Re: More testing with OAT and Static Ports. |
I know Mike follows this list...he can probably answer.
BTW Mike...can you have a supply of the new static ports on hand at OSH'08?
Brian
#40308
Nashville, TN
Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> It doesn't appear that Cleaveland has updated their web site. What's the
> new part number? I'm assuming they are the same price as the old ones?
>
> Has anyone measured the ones from Rivethead-Aero yet? Do they exhibit
> similar issues?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
> [NTK]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:48 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: More testing with OAT and Static Ports.
>
> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>
> Over the weekend I changed out my flat faced static ports from
> Cleveland Tools to there new dome faced ones. When I called them about the
> error (TAS was 5 - 6 knots low on my Dynon versus 4-way GPS TAS) I was
> having with the original flat faced ones, they sent me the new dome faced
> ones at no charge (awesome folks at Cleveland). I also mounted another OAT
> in my left wing on the wing spar flange right in front of the middle
> inspection plate, which was connected to a General Purpose input on my Dynon
> Engine Monitor. My other OAT is mounted in the aft half moon bulkhead under
> the emp fairing, which is connected to the compass module for the Dynon
> EFIS.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: Avionics-List: Crossbow NAV425EX Service Bulletin |
Pulled from another list.........
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike@Crossbow
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: Avionics-List: Crossbow NAV425EX Service Bulletin
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Mike@Crossbow" <msmith@xbow.com>
Due to a recent firmware update from our GPS manufacturer, Crossbow has published
a service bulletin for the NAV425EX which contains details about a possible
software update that may affect customers that are currently flying the NAV425EX.
The software update provided by the GPS subsystem manufacturer contains improvements
that eliminate the possibility of erroneous data during very specific
satellite configurations. In addition, we have made some improvements to the
magnetometer performance and BIT (built in test) status inside the NAV425EX.
You can find the full details of this service bulletin, including the units
affected using the link below.
Sincerely,
Michael Smith
Application Engineer
Crossbow Technology
msmith@xbow.com [url][/url]
--------
Michael Smith
Application Engineer Inertial Systems
Crossbow Technology
msmith@xbow.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage foward center spar |
I believe it was Alan that I talked to. I had meant to write it down but forgot.
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: More testing with OAT and Static Ports. |
Thanks for the update.
Kevin
40494
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
> Now as for the TAS error I was seeing after my post
>from last week, which showed my Dynon TAS being 5 - 6 knots
>low. I did another run and here are the numbers.
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| Subject: | Re: More testing with OAT and Static Ports. |
Sorry...OSH'07. Wow...I just added another year to my construction by
mistake!
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rv10builder wrote:
>
> I know Mike follows this list...he can probably answer.
>
> BTW Mike...can you have a supply of the new static ports on hand at
> OSH'08?
>
> Brian
> #40308
> Nashville, TN
>
> Bob Leffler wrote:
>>
>> It doesn't appear that Cleaveland has updated their web site. What's
>> the
>> new part number? I'm assuming they are the same price as the old ones?
>>
>> Has anyone measured the ones from Rivethead-Aero yet? Do they exhibit
>> similar issues?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
>> [NTK]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:48 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: More testing with OAT and Static Ports.
>>
>> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>>
>> Over the weekend I changed out my flat faced static ports from
>> Cleveland Tools to there new dome faced ones. When I called them
>> about the
>> error (TAS was 5 - 6 knots low on my Dynon versus 4-way GPS TAS) I was
>> having with the original flat faced ones, they sent me the new dome
>> faced
>> ones at no charge (awesome folks at Cleveland). I also mounted
>> another OAT
>> in my left wing on the wing spar flange right in front of the middle
>> inspection plate, which was connected to a General Purpose input on
>> my Dynon
>> Engine Monitor. My other OAT is mounted in the aft half moon
>> bulkhead under
>> the emp fairing, which is connected to the compass module for the Dynon
>> EFIS.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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