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1. 06:43 AM - oshkosh favor (ivo welch)
2. 06:46 AM - Axle Extensions available at Cleaveland Tool (Tim Olson)
3. 08:27 AM - Re: Axle Extensions available at Cleaveland Tool (Rick Sked)
4. 09:05 AM - How's the balance with the Egg? (Tim Olson)
5. 09:11 AM - RV-10 High Back - Back Seat Frames at Osh (James, Peter [SD])
6. 09:49 AM - Re: How's the balance with the Egg? (Richard Sipp)
7. 10:05 AM - Re: How's the balance with the Egg? (Deems Davis)
8. 10:56 AM - Re: Baggage door seal angle (Jae Chang)
9. 06:19 PM - Level tab for RV-10 tanks (ngautier@earthlink.net)
10. 06:37 PM - Re: Level tab for RV-10 tanks (Tim Olson)
11. 06:39 PM - Re: Lyco Documentation (Aaron Gleixner)
12. 06:57 PM - Re: Level tab for RV-10 tanks (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
13. 07:55 PM - Re: Level tab for RV-10 tanks (David McNeill)
14. 09:14 PM - Re: Lyco Documentation (McGANN, Ron)
15. 10:50 PM - RV-10 MT Propeller TBO (LessDragProd@aol.com)
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dear rv-10 list readers---since I got no response, can I offer $100
for someone who goes to oshkosh, to put up a small folding table, and
put "RV-10 for-sale" flyers up for me? If you can do me this favor,
please drop me an email.
sincerely,
/iaw
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| Subject: | Axle Extensions available at Cleaveland Tool |
Many may remember and many actually have a set of those axle
extensions that I had machined earlier this year. It was
something I did as a one-shot deal just to keep the manufacturing
costs down by doing it as a group. Since then, occasionally
people still ask if I have them available.
Well, enterprising Dave Hertner decided to take that design
and work with Cleaveland Aircraft Tools to try to bring them
to production for people who still wanted to buy them,
and now they're getting ready to start taking orders for
them. He just let me know that the price should be around
$52 for the pair and hardware like I packaged. Cleaveland
Tools will have them examples at their booth (bus) at OSH
for people who want to see them up close, and they'll
be available sometime after the show. So you've now got
another option for still getting these things. I believe
that they will be basically the same design, but he has not
told me if they changed it in any way. And no, unfortunately
I don't think I get any royalties. ;)
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: Axle Extensions available at Cleaveland Tool |
That's OK Tim.
Although no royalties, you can be our Queen!!! lol....
Rick S.
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:45:57 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Axle Extensions available at Cleaveland Tool
Many may remember and many actually have a set of those axle
extensions that I had machined earlier this year. It was
something I did as a one-shot deal just to keep the manufacturing
costs down by doing it as a group. Since then, occasionally
people still ask if I have them available.
Well, enterprising Dave Hertner decided to take that design
and work with Cleaveland Aircraft Tools to try to bring them
to production for people who still wanted to buy them,
and now they're getting ready to start taking orders for
them. He just let me know that the price should be around
$52 for the pair and hardware like I packaged. Cleaveland
Tools will have them examples at their booth (bus) at OSH
for people who want to see them up close, and they'll
be available sometime after the show. So you've now got
another option for still getting these things. I believe
that they will be basically the same design, but he has not
told me if they changed it in any way. And no, unfortunately
I don't think I get any royalties. ;)
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | How's the balance with the Egg? |
Dan,
I'm wondering how your W&B came out with the Eggenfellner
as I know you were saying it was lighter than the IO-540 and
I think you said your prop was substantially lighter too. I
wondered how your wheel weights came out, and considering you
have dual batteries in the tail, did you find that the W&B is
still easy to keep in CG without going too far aft, or are
you going to have problems if you load lots of baggage?
I would think that it could be a substantial difference as even
a few pounds up at the engine/prop can make a big change, but
have been curious how it would turn out, as this is much more
drastic than just going from a Hartzell to an MT, for instance.
What were your individual axle weights?
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | RV-10 High Back - Back Seat Frames at Osh |
Hello -10 builders,
I was unhappy with the back seat frames supplied in my -10 kit. So I
designed a high back back seat set and worked with a local machine shop
to create the tooling to make them. They are a 60/40 split frame and
designed to match the front seats. They have square chrome-moly tube
back frames, with round tube headrests, just like the front seats. The
frame is black powder coat, while the aluminum seat back has been
powder-coated with translucent gold so it is almost an exact match of
the front seats. The frames will be fastened at the bottom with the
standard piano hinge configuration as supplied in the kit. The idea is
that you can take these frames to anyone and have them covered to match
your interior without having to be locked into one upholstery vendor.
At this point, the proto-type frames will be at Oshkosh at the Cleveland
Tool booth. We got them done just in time for the trip to Wisconsin.
The finished product will be a bit better, as the seat panels will be
cut with a water jet for a more exact fit. Due to timing, we have not
created, not determined the cushion or padding configuration. Mike
Lauritsen, Cleveland Tool, is running an Oshkosh special on the frames
of $425, with a price of $450 after August 1. Sorry I forgot to bring
the pictures to the office so that I could post them. I'll try and do
this before I leave for OSH tomorrow night.
I will be at Osh all week. I won't be camping at HQ, as I will be
camping with Chapter 135 and the Replica Fighters, but do feel free to
call my cell phone listed below. Hope to see you all there!
Pete James, #40100 - 90% done, 90% to go! Finalizing the panel
decisions this week. (Just can't stop customizing, Grr!)
RVPilot@mchsi.com
515-327-3939 Desk
515-991-5542 PCS Cell Phone
peter.james@sprint.com
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| Subject: | Re: How's the balance with the Egg? |
With all the airplanes flying I think it would valuable to know how the CGs
are coming out.
Perhaps those with completed airplanes could report their empty weight, CG
location, and a note or two about dual batteries etc. that might contribute
to CG locations that differ significantly from the prototype.
How about a data base on someone's web site?
Dick Sipp
40065
Finishing frenzie
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| Subject: | Re: How's the balance with the Egg? |
Dan Checkoway's already got one on his site. Tim's posted his and a few
other -10 'flyers'
http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
Deems Davis # 406
Cowl mod for ram air
http://deemsrv10.com/
Richard Sipp wrote:
>
> With all the airplanes flying I think it would valuable to know how
> the CGs are coming out.
>
> Perhaps those with completed airplanes could report their empty
> weight, CG location, and a note or two about dual batteries etc. that
> might contribute to CG locations that differ significantly from the
> prototype.
>
> How about a data base on someone's web site?
>
> Dick Sipp
> 40065
> Finishing frenzie
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door seal angle |
thanks for the reply. it appears there are enough options to get a foam
type seal to squish into 1/16". sticking with the plans...
Jae
#40533
Getting beat up by the fuse!
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| Subject: | Level tab for RV-10 tanks |
Gentlemen,
I'm into the gooey part of tank assembly and before I button the tanks up
I'd like to
add a tab inside the tank, visible trough the filler hole, that will let linemen
partially
fill the tanks to a known fuel level; just like lot of other aircraft.
I did a little geometry and figured out that the volume of one tank is 31.25
gal.
I doubt that you can fill that full though. I took a wag at the unusable volume
and got
about 2.25 gal in each tank. I took a further wag (well a swag this time) and figured,
assuming 3.5 degrees of dihedral, that 19 usable gallons would come up to 1.4 inches
above the bottom of the outboard tank rib. So, my idea is to rivet a little aluminum
angle horizontally on the inside of the outboard rib, 1.4 inches from the bottom,
so
it can be seen through the filler hole. (A couple of extra holes to make sure don't
leak but there are lots of other holes that have to not leak too.)
My question for the group is: has anyone actually measured how high any particular
quantity of fuel near 19 or 20 gallons comes up on the outer tank rib? Also, is
my
estimate of unusable fuel anywhere close? (I didn't take the dihedral into account.)
What's the actual dihedral angle? I couldn't find the value anywhere. And finally
does anyone have other ideas or experience with how to do this?
One last thing. I'm also putting some capacitive fuel sensor plates in the
tanks
modeled after Van's RV-6 capacitive sensors. I got tired of waiting for Van to
do
this. If anyone is interested I'll be glad to share the design. Of course I won't
know how well it works for a while...
I'm going to put
do not archive
on this message for now. If we collect some useful information we can archive it
later.
Nick Gautier
40363
Tanks (as you figured)
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| Subject: | Re: Level tab for RV-10 tanks |
Small comment....your WAG on the unusable volume is waaaay off. The
unusable volume is about 1/3 qt per tank. I've tested it. This is
in level flight, however, so I would not expect it to go all the way
to any safe landing if you have to turn with less than your 2 gallons
or maybe more.
I can't answer the question on the tabs....I just always fill it full.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> I'm into the gooey part of tank assembly and before I button the tanks up
I'd like to
> add a tab inside the tank, visible trough the filler hole, that will let linemen
partially
> fill the tanks to a known fuel level; just like lot of other aircraft.
>
> I did a little geometry and figured out that the volume of one tank is 31.25
gal.
> I doubt that you can fill that full though. I took a wag at the unusable volume
and got
> about 2.25 gal in each tank. I took a further wag (well a swag this time) and
figured,
> assuming 3.5 degrees of dihedral, that 19 usable gallons would come up to 1.4
inches
> above the bottom of the outboard tank rib. So, my idea is to rivet a little aluminum
> angle horizontally on the inside of the outboard rib, 1.4 inches from the bottom,
so
> it can be seen through the filler hole. (A couple of extra holes to make sure
don't
> leak but there are lots of other holes that have to not leak too.)
>
> My question for the group is: has anyone actually measured how high any
particular
> quantity of fuel near 19 or 20 gallons comes up on the outer tank rib? Also,
is my
> estimate of unusable fuel anywhere close? (I didn't take the dihedral into account.)
> What's the actual dihedral angle? I couldn't find the value anywhere. And finally
> does anyone have other ideas or experience with how to do this?
>
> One last thing. I'm also putting some capacitive fuel sensor plates in the
tanks
> modeled after Van's RV-6 capacitive sensors. I got tired of waiting for Van to
do
> this. If anyone is interested I'll be glad to share the design. Of course I won't
> know how well it works for a while...
>
> I'm going to put
> do not archive
> on this message for now. If we collect some useful information we can archive
it
> later.
>
> Nick Gautier
> 40363
> Tanks (as you figured)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Lyco Documentation |
I just received my engine this week from Lycoming and was also surprised at lack
of paperwork. It was the experimental version of the engine. No installation
instructions, just the engine run pages, a couple of service instructions,
and an engine log. No users manual in 3 ring binder like I got with the O-360
when I built my RV-8A a few years back. Wonder if the reduced paperwork is due
to the experimental designation?
You can also get the IO540 wide deck overhaul manual and parts guide and 3
years of updates from Lycoming for about $100.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyco Documentation
G'day Ron,
There should be a large envelope that has all of the installation
instructions, relevant Service Bulletins, and some specific data for the
test cell results of your particular engine. Contains a new engine logbook,
and also a Lycoming 540 User instructions manual that is a small three ring
binder.
Mine also came with a couple of bags of installation hardware (nuts, bolts)
and a spare oil filter fastened to the pallet.
-Dan Masys
N104LD half way to out of the phase I box.
---- "McGANN wrote:
>
> G'day all,
>
> I just took delivery of my IO540 (experimental) from Vans. On opening
> the box, the engine has been beautifully hermetically sealed and pickled
> for long term storage, there were boxes containg the injector, mounting
> ears and oil filter. But the documentation appeared to be very scarce.
> There does not appear to be a contents list. For those who have
> received similar engines, what docs did you receive and where were they
> hidden?
>
> Cheers,
> Ron
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Level tab for RV-10 tanks |
I get even more conservative than Tim.
I fill to the top and then tell the EIS that there is only 57 gallons total.
So hopefully if I'm dumb enough to get down that low, there are 3 gal still
there!!
Remember to make yourself a dip stick calibrated for your tanks (a wood paint
stirrer works great). Calibrate it the first time you fill up a tank.
grumpy
N184JM flying
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In a message dated 7/19/2007 8:39:15 PM Central Standard Time, Tim@MyRV10.com
writes:
Small comment....your WAG on the unusable volume is waaaay off. The
unusable volume is about 1/3 qt per tank. I've tested it. This is
in level flight, however, so I would not expect it to go all the way
to any safe landing if you have to turn with less than your 2 gallons
or maybe more.
I can't answer the question on the tabs....I just always fill it full.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> I'm into the gooey part of tank assembly and before I button the tanks
up I'd like to
> add a tab inside the tank, visible trough the filler hole, that will let
linemen partially
> fill the tanks to a known fuel level; just like lot of other aircraft.
>
> I did a little geometry and figured out that the volume of one tank is
31.25 gal.
> I doubt that you can fill that full though. I took a wag at the unusable
volume and got
> about 2.25 gal in each tank. I took a further wag (well a swag this time)
and figured,
> assuming 3.5 degrees of dihedral, that 19 usable gallons would come up to
1.4 inches
> above the bottom of the outboard tank rib. So, my idea is to rivet a little
aluminum
> angle horizontally on the inside of the outboard rib, 1.4 inches from the
bottom, so
> it can be seen through the filler hole. (A couple of extra holes to make
sure don't
> leak but there are lots of other holes that have to not leak too.)
>
> My question for the group is: has anyone actually measured how high
any particular
> quantity of fuel near 19 or 20 gallons comes up on the outer tank rib?
Also, is my
> estimate of unusable fuel anywhere close? (I didn't take the dihedral into
account.)
> What's the actual dihedral angle? I couldn't find the value anywhere. And
finally
> does anyone have other ideas or experience with how to do this?
>
> One last thing. I'm also putting some capacitive fuel sensor plates in
the tanks
> modeled after Van's RV-6 capacitive sensors. I got tired of waiting for Van
to do
> this. If anyone is interested I'll be glad to share the design. Of course I
won't
> know how well it works for a while...
>
> I'm going to put
> do not archive
> on this message for now. If we collect some useful information we can
archive it
> later.
>
> Nick Gautier
> 40363
> Tanks (as you figured)
>
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| Subject: | Level tab for RV-10 tanks |
A Plexiglas tube can be calibrated as you fill the tank for the first time
and marked at appropriate intervals. I have a four gallon increment stick
for the Glastar mains and a 2 gallon increment stick for the Glastar tips.
Simply insert the tube cover the top and pull out quickly. Actual amount is
easily determined.
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GenGrumpy@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Level tab for RV-10 tanks
I get even more conservative than Tim.
I fill to the top and then tell the EIS that there is only 57 gallons total.
So hopefully if I'm dumb enough to get down that low, there are 3 gal still
there!!
Remember to make yourself a dip stick calibrated for your tanks (a wood
paint stirrer works great). Calibrate it the first time you fill up a tank.
grumpy
N184JM flying
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In a message dated 7/19/2007 8:39:15 PM Central Standard Time,
Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
Small comment....your WAG on the unusable volume is waaaay off. The
unusable volume is about 1/3 qt per tank. I've tested it. This is
in level flight, however, so I would not expect it to go all the way
to any safe landing if you have to turn with less than your 2 gallons
or maybe more.
I can't answer the question on the tabs....I just always fill it full.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
ngautier@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> I'm into the gooey part of tank assembly and before I button the
tanks up I'd like to
> add a tab inside the tank, visible trough the filler hole, that will let
linemen partially
> fill the tanks to a known fuel level; just like lot of other aircraft.
>
> I did a little geometry and figured out that the volume of one tank
is 31.25 gal.
> I doubt that you can fill that full though. I took a wag at the unusable
volume and got
> about 2.25 gal in each tank. I took a further wag (well a swag this time)
and figured,
> assuming 3.5 degrees of dihedral, that 19 usable gallons would come up to
1.4 inches
> above the bottom of the outboard tank rib. So, my idea is to rivet a
little aluminum
> angle horizontally on the inside of the outboard rib, 1.4 inches from the
bottom, so
> it can be seen through the filler hole. (A couple of extra holes to make
sure don't
> leak but there are lots of other holes that have to not leak too.)
>
> My question for the group is: has anyone actually measured how high
any particular
> quantity of fuel near 19 or 20 gallons comes up on the outer tank rib?
Also, is my
> estimate of unusable fuel anywhere close? (I didn't take the dihedral into
account.)
> What's the actual dihedral angle? I couldn't find the value anywhere. And
finally
> does anyone have other ideas or experience with how to do this?
>
> One last thing. I'm also putting some capacitive fuel sensor plates
in the tanks
> modeled after Van's RV-6 capacitive sensors. I got tired of waiting for
Van to do
> this. If anyone is interested I'll be glad to share the design. Of course
I won't
> know how well it works for a while...
>
> I'm going to put
> do not archive
> on this message for now. If we collect some useful information we can
archive it
> later.
>
> Nick Gautier
> 40363
> Tanks (as you figured)
>
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| Subject: | Lyco Documentation |
Aaron, at least I received a nice DVD that had some useful videos for
blackhander newbies like me. Here is the response from Lycoming:
"The operators manual, log book, etc for the engine are in a white
plastic envelope that is attached to the top of the engine inside the
box with a zip tie. Please advise if you cannot find this. Thank you."
the operator's manual was not inlcuded so I have asked for one, even
though one or two fellow listers have been immensely helpful with their
offlist responses.
cheers,
Ron
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Gleixner
Sent: Friday, 20 July 2007 11:09 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lyco Documentation
I just received my engine this week from Lycoming and was also
surprised at lack of paperwork. It was the experimental version of the
engine. No installation instructions, just the engine run pages, a
couple of service instructions, and an engine log. No users manual in 3
ring binder like I got with the O-360 when I built my RV-8A a few years
back. Wonder if the reduced paperwork is due to the experimental
designation?
David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
You can also get the IO540 wide deck overhaul manual and
parts guide and 3
years of updates from Lycoming for about $100.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Dan Masys
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:48 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyco Documentation
G'day Ron,
There should be a large envelope that has all of the
installation
instructions, relevant Service Bulletins, and some
specific data for the
test cell results of your particular engine. Contains a
new engine logbook,
and also a Lycoming 540 User instructions manual that is
a small three ring
binder.
Mine also came with a couple of bags of installation
hardware (nuts, bolts)
and a spare oil filter fastened to the pallet.
-Dan Masys
N104LD half way to out of the phase I box.
---- "McGANN wrote:
>
> G'day all,
>
> I just took delivery of my IO540 (experimental) from
Vans. On opening
> the box, the engine has been beautifully hermetically
sealed and pickled
> for long term storage, there were boxes
page,
Forums!
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| Subject: | RV-10 MT Propeller TBO |
Hi All,
The MT Propeller for the RV-10 (MTV-12-B/193-53) now has a flight hour TBO
of 1800 flight hours.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
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