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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Engines (Kelly McMullen)
2. 05:40 AM - Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc.. (Michael Wellenzohn)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: loosing my mind (egohr1)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (Deems Davis)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (John Testement)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc.. (Vernon Smith)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (Chris Johnston)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (John Gonzalez)
9. 10:38 AM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (Robin Marks)
10. 10:39 AM - Re: Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc.. (Robin Marks)
11. 10:44 AM - Moving, must sell RV-10 QB (edwisch@cableone.net)
12. 11:13 AM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
13. 11:20 AM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
14. 01:03 PM - Just back from OSH (Deems Davis)
15. 02:21 PM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (John Gonzalez)
16. 06:10 PM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (Robin Marks)
17. 08:18 PM - Re: spraying UV Smoothprime (John Testement)
18. 08:52 PM - Re: Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc.. (Michael Wellenzohn)
19. 11:50 PM - OSH 07 (ddddsp1@juno.com)
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I believe he was talking about UL96. Current 80/87 where available is
essentially unleaded. 96 is about as high as they can go without lead,
and is workable for normally aspirated engines, but not turbocharged.
A product that only added 3 octane points to existing 80/87 wouldn't
benefit that many engines and wouldn't be enough for current 100LL
engines.
On 7/25/07, Dave Leikam <DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> I went to the Lycoming tent and talked with those guys about their certified
> and experimental engines and the availability of 100LL. Now there is a new
> fuel called UL90 which is unleaded and the Lycoming rep said will work in
> their engines. Problem is there is none available they say.
>
> I think I am going to install a Lycoming.
>
> Dave Leikam
> 40496
> Summer build slow down
>
>
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc.. |
Hello Guys,
I am updating my website daily with tons of Oshkosh pictures. Yesterday and today
is out Avionics day. Check out
I returned home after the great RV Family Renunion quite late as every day from
the Airventure so it wont be to much text.
Best Regrads
Michael
RV-10 (Fuselage)[/url]
--------
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: loosing my mind |
I just went through all of this.
The master relay is in the wiring kit. This should not be installed until the
tailcone and fuse are mated, as the battery support box will need to be out to
set some of the rivets.
The ignition swtich is a SEPARATE purchase from the wiring kit and comes with 2
matching locks. You can get the parts from vans of Spruce at the same price.
--------
eric gohr
EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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| Subject: | Re: spraying UV Smoothprime |
Spraying Smoothprime is a challenge for me, but well worth it! I have
found that by following the dilution instructions on the can/pail that
it's too thick, and I have the same results you're seeing, so I dilute
it until I can get a better spray out, I don't have a ratio to use, I
just keep adding small amounts of water until I can get a 'wet' spray
pattern. the unfortunate side effect of that is that, for me, when I get
it this thin, unless I'm EXTREMELY careful I will inevitably end up with
a run, or two when shooting on a vertical surface. The runs sand out
fairly easily though so aren't really much of a problem. Shooting
several VERY light coats vs a couple of heavy coats works better as
well. Another thing I've noticed is that it seems to 'clog' a bit in the
gun, and that by placing a finger over the nozzle ,temporarily plugging
it, while pulling the trigger seems to help to clear any clogs that seem
to form in the gun while waiting for the coat you just sprayed to dry
enough to shoot the next coat. (be careful not to allow a buildup on
primer on the nozzle.)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done ....It's just not put together yet!'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Chris Johnston wrote:
>
> Hey all
>
> Could someone give me some tips on spraying UV smoothprime? I cant
> seem to get consistent results with my spray gun. It just starts
> spitting and not wanting to come out right. I thinned the paint like
> the instructions say, and I cant seem to make it go right. Id try to
> roll it on like it says, but its the interior of the cabin top, and
> Ive got the overhead console in there which would make that hard. Any
> thoughts?
>
> cj
>
> #40410
>
> fuse/finishing
>
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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| Subject: | spraying UV Smoothprime |
I have had great luck spraying Smoothprime with my Harbor Freight HVLP
gun.
I thinned per instructions and filtered. I sprayed several thin coats.
I did have problems with another touch up gun but I think it was dirty.
Rolling wastes a lot of material since it leaves a lot of texture. I
also
bush and squeegee it to fill low spots and holes.
I would not waste time using it on the inside if you are going to cover
with
headliner. I really like the stuff on the outside canopy and cowls.
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
Hey all '
Could someone give me some tips on spraying UV smoothprime? I can=92t
seem to
get consistent results with my spray gun. It just starts spitting and
not
wanting to come out right. I thinned the paint like the instructions
say,
and I can=92t seem to make it go right. I=92d try to roll it on like it
says,
but it=92s the interior of the cabin top, and I=92ve got the overhead
console in
there which would make that hard. Any thoughts?
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Na
vig
ator?RV10-List
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7/20/2007
4:39 PM
7/20/2007
4:39 PM
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc.. |
Thanks for taking and posting all of the photos. If I make airplane noises
while looking at them it's like being there, well almost:)
One question of those at OSH; has Grand Rapids change the appearance or lay
out of their EFIS screen other than adding the new high resolution screen?
Vern Smith (#324)
do not archive> Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc..> From:
rv-10@wellenzohn.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:38:28 -0700> To: rv10-list@
10@wellenzohn.net>> > Hello Guys,> > I am updating my website daily with to
ns of Oshkosh pictures. Yesterday and today is out Avionics day. Check out>
> > I returned home after the great RV Family Renunion quite late as every
day from the Airventure so it won=C2=B4t be to much text.> > Best Regrads>
Michael> > RV-10 (Fuselage)[/url]> > --------> RV-10 builder (wings)> #511
> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewt
========================> >
>
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| Subject: | spraying UV Smoothprime |
Aaahh. Is there something that's not a "filler primer" that can be
sprayed on as primer over sanded epoxy? I am (I think) going to cover
with headliner, but I'd like to seal the sanded epoxy with something
before I cover it. is there something like Akzo for glass?
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Testement
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:56 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
I have had great luck spraying Smoothprime with my Harbor Freight HVLP
gun. I thinned per instructions and filtered. I sprayed several thin
coats.
I did have problems with another touch up gun but I think it was dirty.
Rolling wastes a lot of material since it leaves a lot of texture. I
also bush and squeegee it to fill low spots and holes.
I would not waste time using it on the inside if you are going to cover
with headliner. I really like the stuff on the outside canopy and
cowls.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
Hey all -
Could someone give me some tips on spraying UV smoothprime? I can't
seem to get consistent results with my spray gun. It just starts
spitting and not wanting to come out right. I thinned the paint like
the instructions say, and I can't seem to make it go right. I'd try to
roll it on like it says, but it's the interior of the cabin top, and
I've got the overhead console in there which would make that hard. Any
thoughts?
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
s
.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
7/20/2007 4:39 PM
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| Subject: | spraying UV Smoothprime |
No reason to seal sanded epoxy, it in itself is a solid, non absorbant
material...unless you penetrated the glass cloth.
You are a glutten for punishment! As if we didn't have enough work to begin
with.
John G.
>From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:18:39 -0700
>
>Aaahh. Is there something that's not a "filler primer" that can be
>sprayed on as primer over sanded epoxy? I am (I think) going to cover
>with headliner, but I'd like to seal the sanded epoxy with something
>before I cover it. is there something like Akzo for glass?
>
>cj
>#40410
>fuse/finishing
>www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>Testement
>Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:56 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
>
>I have had great luck spraying Smoothprime with my Harbor Freight HVLP
>gun. I thinned per instructions and filtered. I sprayed several thin
>coats.
>
>I did have problems with another touch up gun but I think it was dirty.
>Rolling wastes a lot of material since it leaves a lot of texture. I
>also bush and squeegee it to fill low spots and holes.
>
>I would not waste time using it on the inside if you are going to cover
>with headliner. I really like the stuff on the outside canopy and
>cowls.
>
>John Testement
>jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
>40321
>Richmond, VA
>Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
>do not archive
>
>________________________________
>
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
>Johnston
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:57 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
>Hey all -
>
>Could someone give me some tips on spraying UV smoothprime? I can't
>seem to get consistent results with my spray gun. It just starts
>spitting and not wanting to come out right. I thinned the paint like
>the instructions say, and I can't seem to make it go right. I'd try to
>roll it on like it says, but it's the interior of the cabin top, and
>I've got the overhead console in there which would make that hard. Any
>thoughts?
>
>cj
>#40410
>fuse/finishing
>www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics
>.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>7/20/2007 4:39 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | spraying UV Smoothprime |
John,
I went to the Zolatone website and I am still confused as to
what it is exactly. Can you please describe what Zolatone is and how &
where you used it on a -10?
I am thinking of not using a head liner (I have a overhead
console) and was considering just painting the upper cabin.
Thanks in advance,
Robin
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc.. |
Thanks for the photos!
Robin
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| Subject: | Moving, must sell RV-10 QB |
* Tail kit is mostly done -- and no smileys!! very good workmanship, although you
might choose to look at two boo-boos in
the horizontal tail, but if you don't like it, those parts are only $500 or so.
* Virtually nothing done on the wings or fuselage
* No finishing kit -- it went to a neighbor's RV-10
Kit is in Prescott, AZ, $23,000, several thousand less than Van's price
Also selling an AirCam, $78,000, 200 hours
and a cherry straight tail Cessna, http://www.greatusermanuals.com/c175/, $60,000
edwisch@alum.mit.edu
928 533-9351 (cell)
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| Subject: | spraying UV Smoothprime |
Zolatone is a splatter paint. I used it on my interior and it looks great on the
ceiling because you don't have to worry about how to trim the edges of a headliner.
I just prep'ed the top first by making the center joint and other areas
real smooth. I have have numerous compliments on how nice it looks.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
John,
I went to the Zolatone website and I am still confused as to
what it is exactly. Can you please describe what Zolatone is and how &
where you used it on a -10?
I am thinking of not using a head liner (I have a overhead
console) and was considering just painting the upper cabin.
Thanks in advance,
Robin
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| Subject: | spraying UV Smoothprime |
Here are some pictures of my top. You can see that I filled all the
voids around the rear windows so it was all smooth and then I sprayed
the Zolatone. Zolatone requires a large tip for your gun so the little
balls of paint don't explode until the hit the surface being sprayed and
not at the tip of the gun.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
John,
I went to the Zolatone website and I am still confused as to
what it is exactly. Can you please describe what Zolatone is and how &
where you used it on a -10?
I am thinking of not using a head liner (I have a overhead
console) and was considering just painting the upper cabin.
Thanks in advance,
Robin
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| Subject: | Just back from OSH |
Just got back late last pm. Had a GREAT time!
MUCHO thanks to Tim Olson, Bob Condrey, and Gary Specteter (and their
wives!) for setting up and arranging RV-10HQ. Even though we didn't stay
in Schooler, we hung around HQ a couple of evenings and really enjoyed
the conversation and exchange.For me the biggest attraction to OSH is
the opportunity to get to mix with other -10 builders. I've taken away
soooo many tips, suggestions and improvements through these exchanges.
THANKS to all who have and continue to enlighten me!
I put a bunch of pics up on my site here's a link:
http://deemsrv10.com/album/OSHKOSH%202007/index.html
Deems Davis # 406
It's all done.... It's just not put together ....yet
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | spraying UV Smoothprime |
Zolatone is a waterbassed paint which provides a textured surface and
appearence. In the end it looks like granite. Because it is textured, one
only needs to remove the worst of the imperfections in the surface to be
coverred. It is a real time saver...it also looks like fabric with out all
the hassle of cutting and glueing..
Tip---Once the cabin top is all drilled and the aluminum backing strips area
drilled and de burred, one can glue the aluminum backing strips to the cabin
top and paint the entire interior before rivetting it in.
I know how many of you hate sanding out all those imperfections in that high
quality cabin top.
Maybe I'll send some photos later.
JOhn G.
>From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:34:32 -0400
>
>
>John,
> I went to the Zolatone website and I am still confused as to
>what it is exactly. Can you please describe what Zolatone is and how &
>where you used it on a -10?
> I am thinking of not using a head liner (I have a overhead
>console) and was considering just painting the upper cabin.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Robin
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | spraying UV Smoothprime |
Thank you and photos would be GREAT!
Can this be glossy white and still textured?
Robin
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| Subject: | spraying UV Smoothprime |
Probably the best sealer would be just epoxy thinned 50% with Acetone
(Vans
sealer approach).
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
Aaahh. Is there something that=92s not a =93filler primer=94 that can
be sprayed
on as primer over sanded epoxy? I am (I think) going to cover with
headliner, but I=92d like to seal the sanded epoxy with something before
I
cover it. is there something like Akzo for glass?
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Testement
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:56 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
I have had great luck spraying Smoothprime with my Harbor Freight HVLP
gun.
I thinned per instructions and filtered. I sprayed several thin coats.
I did have problems with another touch up gun but I think it was dirty.
Rolling wastes a lot of material since it leaves a lot of texture. I
also
bush and squeegee it to fill low spots and holes.
I would not waste time using it on the inside if you are going to cover
with
headliner. I really like the stuff on the outside canopy and cowls.
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime
Hey all '
Could someone give me some tips on spraying UV smoothprime? I can=92t
seem to
get consistent results with my spray gun. It just starts spitting and
not
wanting to come out right. I thinned the paint like the instructions
say,
and I can=92t seem to make it go right. I=92d try to roll it on like it
says,
but it=92s the interior of the cabin top, and I=92ve got the overhead
console in
there which would make that hard. Any thoughts?
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc.. |
Hi,
I'll add some pictures of the GRT today.
Michael
--------
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Got home from Osh today around 3 pm................unpacked and took a n
ap until now.........1:34 AM. What a great time and once again it was a
blast to meet so many new faces that have joined the RV10 and RV family
. I want to especially thank Bob, Gary and their wives for setting up t
he RV10 camping HQ, cooking meals, and everything else! The time and de
dication they put in made it a wonderful week for many of us and I am ve
ry grateful for their hospitality and generosity. Thanks also to Neal G
eorge for being such a helpful camping neighbor, Adrian Moses for provid
ing transportation, laughs (Red Robin sign language, REAL PILOTS?) and a
n extended beer run to Appleton. What a wonderful due to wonderful peop
le. I look forward to the next big meeting..............LOE '07? I wil
l help arrange the RV10 Formation Flying Photo. Imagine TEN RV10's in f
ormation over the New Mexico desert with Doug Reeves shooting pics. Bet
ter yet let's get Scott Schmidt's brother up in a plane at the same time
and make a 3D shot. OK maybe I need more sleep. :)
Hope you all make it home safely and motivated to finish that GREAT plan
e or looking forward to flying to the next RV10 destination spot.
DEAN
805HL
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<html><P>Got home from Osh today around 3 pm................unpacked and
took a nap until now.........1:34 AM. What a great time and once
again it was a blast to meet so many new faces that have joined the RV10
and RV family. I want to especially thank Bob, Gary and their wiv
es for setting up the RV10 camping HQ, cooking meals, and everything els
e! The time and dedication they put in made it a wonderful week fo
r many of us and I am very grateful for their hospitality and generosity
. Thanks also to Neal George for being such a helpful camping neig
hbor, Adrian Moses for providing transportation, laughs (Red Robin sign
language, REAL PILOTS?) and an extended beer run to Appleton.&
nbsp; What a wonderful due to wonderful people. I look forward to
the next big meeting..............LOE '07? I will help arrange the
RV10 Formation Flying Photo. Imagine TEN RV10's in formation over
the New Mexico desert with Doug Reeves shooting pics. Better yet
let's get Scott Schmidt's brother up in a plane at the same time and mak
e a 3D shot. OK maybe I need more sleep. :)</P>
<P>Hope you all make it home safely and motivated to finish that GREAT p
lane or looking forward to flying to the next RV10 destination spot.</P>
<P>DEAN</P>
<P>805HL</P>
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