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1. 02:13 AM - Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? (The McGough Family)
2. 05:26 AM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? (Tim Olson)
4. 06:30 AM - Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would y (Michael Wellenzohn)
5. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would y (Tim Olson)
6. 07:17 AM - OSH 07 ()
7. 07:18 AM - Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 07:18 AM - OSH 07 - Couple of pics ()
9. 07:39 AM - Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would yo (AirMike)
10. 07:44 AM - WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System (Tim Olson)
11. 08:08 AM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Tim Olson)
12. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would yo (Tim Olson)
13. 08:23 AM - Re: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System (N777TY)
14. 08:42 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (John W. Cox)
15. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System (Tim Olson)
16. 09:10 AM - RV-10 HQ -Great Experience (Bob Leffler)
17. 09:15 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Tim Olson)
18. 09:27 AM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (James Hein)
19. 09:35 AM - Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? (John W. Cox)
20. 09:46 AM - Re: 51% rule update from OSH (John W. Cox)
21. 09:55 AM - Re: RV-10 HQ -Great Experience (Dj Merrill)
22. 09:57 AM - Please pass to Scott Reagan (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
23. 10:05 AM - Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? (John W. Cox)
24. 10:09 AM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Tim Olson)
25. 10:43 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Scott Schmidt)
26. 01:08 PM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Vernon Smith)
27. 01:25 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (John W. Cox)
28. 02:39 PM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Larry Rosen)
29. 06:54 PM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Matt Dralle)
30. 09:01 PM - How's things in Oz? (John Jessen)
31. 09:18 PM - Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? (Dave Leikam)
32. 09:44 PM - Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? (McGANN, Ron)
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| Subject: | Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would |
you buy?
My first engine developed a slight oil leak at one of the cylinders. There
fix was get it fixed anywhere I like and they will pay the bill. No dramas
at all and could not ask for more
I am in Australia
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine
would you buy?
>
> How does Aero Sport Power deal with warranty issues? Any concerns
> bringing engine across the border?
>
> On 7/28/07, Mark Ritter <mritter509@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am 100% happy with my IO-540 purchased from Bart at Aero Sport Power.
>> Might be a good idea to do a little comparison shopping. Very nice folks
>> to
>> work with.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style
>> >engine
>> > would you buy?
>> >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:31:31 -0500
>> >
>> >
>> > >From all my research and talking to people, BPA would be the way to
>> > >go.
>> >
>> >Jesse Saint
>> >Saint Aviation, Inc
>> >jesse@saintaviation.com
>> >www.saintaviation.com
>> >352-427-0285
>> >
>> >Leather interior kit for the RV-10 -
>> >www.saintaviation.com/interior
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >Sent: 7/28/2007 11:23 AM
>> >Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine
>> >would you buy?
>> >
>> >Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer,
>> >faster, stronger, lighter as advertised?
>> >How about the Lycoming X series?
>> >Others?
>> >
>> >If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and
>> >weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost?
>> >
>> >Jeff Dalton
>> >Wings
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
HI Tim,
I'm having the same problem with my trim. I though it was something we
did wrong. I'm glad to hear there is a quick solution.
Thanks for the heads up.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
flying
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| Subject: | Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would |
you buy?
I've been 99% trouble free, but had lots of questions for Aerosport
along the way and they always went way out to help me with anything.
I had a nicked gasket under my oil pressure adjuster, and although they
were just cheap parts and I told them I would just order some and
replace them, they still insisted in sending me a couple. I wasn't
sure of the size and they wanted to make sure that I got the right
ones if my order was wrong. Not only that, but they included a kit
with a couple of expendables that I'd need. Fantastic service.
As for shipping, when I was getting engine quotes, for some reason
the shipping cost to get the engine from them in Canada was far
cheaper than the shipping cost to get it from the central US to
Wisconsin. That was strange, but showed me that they must know what
they're doing with deliveries. I picked it up at OSH and saved
even that shipping though.
Now that it's flown for 260 hours, I plan to do some test flights
after cleaning my injectors and see how tightly matched I can get
them. Bart's policy is that you can fly and get flow data on them,
and he'll send you injectors to install to swap out a couple and
you can just send them back if they work better. So you can get
GAMI precision, with zero cost of swapping injectors. They also
sold it with flow balanced injectors, and they seem to be very close
after installation...the engine runs smooth LOP.
So nothing against any other engine place. We all hear great things
about BPA, and America's Aircraft Engines, but based on what I've
seen this time around, I'm going back to Aerosport. In fact at OSH
I asked rebuild questions just to get the long-term heads up, since
it looks like this engine isn't going to last me 20 years at the rate
I'm flying. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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The McGough Family wrote:
>
> My first engine developed a slight oil leak at one of the cylinders.
> There fix was get it fixed anywhere I like and they will pay the bill.
> No dramas at all and could not ask for more
>
> I am in Australia
>
> regards Chris
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style
> engine would you buy?
>
>
>>
>> How does Aero Sport Power deal with warranty issues? Any concerns
>> bringing engine across the border?
>>
>> On 7/28/07, Mark Ritter <mritter509@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am 100% happy with my IO-540 purchased from Bart at Aero Sport Power.
>>> Might be a good idea to do a little comparison shopping. Very nice
>>> folks to
>>> work with.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style
>>> >engine
>>> > would you buy?
>>> >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:31:31 -0500
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From all my research and talking to people, BPA would be the way
>>> to > >go.
>>> >
>>> >Jesse Saint
>>> >Saint Aviation, Inc
>>> >jesse@saintaviation.com
>>> >www.saintaviation.com
>>> >352-427-0285
>>> >
>>> >Leather interior kit for the RV-10 -
>>> >www.saintaviation.com/interior
>>> >
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
>>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> >Sent: 7/28/2007 11:23 AM
>>> >Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine
>>> >would you buy?
>>> >
>>> >Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer,
>>> >faster, stronger, lighter as advertised?
>>> >How about the Lycoming X series?
>>> >Others?
>>> >
>>> >If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and
>>> >weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost?
>>> >
>>> >Jeff Dalton
>>> >Wings
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would |
y
I ordered a TMX-540 at Oshkosh. Anyone flying a ten with the TMX?
Since I want to stay as close to the certified engine due to swiss regulations
I chose Mattituck and they will support me to satisfy the swiss authorities with
and provide all required documentation etc.
(Tim sorry I couldn't meet you, Osh was overwhelming I hardly managed to see everything
I had on my list. Hope your wife and daughters left some swiss chocolate
for you too ;-))
Michael
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine |
would y
Michael, yes, I'm sorry I didn't run into you either! They did
leave me some Chocolate, that was great! It's very hard to
accomplish anywhere near what you think you can when you go to OSH.
I do know of at least 2 other -10 builders that bought TMX engines
on the same day at OSH, so they're definitely another one of the
popular ones, and most experiences I hear are positive as well.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Michael Wellenzohn wrote:
> <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
>
> I ordered a TMX-540 at Oshkosh. Anyone flying a ten with the TMX?
> Since I want to stay as close to the certified engine due to swiss
> regulations I chose Mattituck and they will support me to satisfy the
> swiss authorities with and provide all required documentation etc.
>
> (Tim sorry I couldn't meet you, Osh was overwhelming I hardly managed
> to see everything I had on my list. Hope your wife and daughters left
> some swiss chocolate for you too ;-))
>
> Michael
>
> -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511
>
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Great trip!
Can't wait to get my -10 in the air.
Big thanks to Gary, Brenda, Adrian, Tim, Jessie and everyone else that set up the
HQ space.
Attached a few pictures.
One note - The -10 taxi space needs to be made larger. Those 32 foot wings only
had about 2 feet on each side. Having someone to walk the tips during taxi
is not optional.
Jim C
40192
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| Subject: | If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would |
you buy?
As I have a Barrett engine I'm a bit biased, so take what I say with a gr
ain of salt. ;-) But I spent a fair amount of time looking at the various
engine builders out there and you can safely pick any one of them and proba
bly never really have to worry. Aerosport was probably my second choice bu
t I have a problem with sending money out of the country if I can support a
company in the US without sacrificing quality or service. At the time I wa
s shopping I also knew of one builder that had some problems with a rebuilt
Aerosport having mismatched parts and they ended up going with a "new" exp
erimental from them. But I'm sure that is the exception more than the rule
. BPE's workmanship is absolutely top notch and they are always willing to
answer your questions.
When I looked at the engine builders out there, and compared the prices,
the prices usually averaged out once you took what was included from one co
mpared to what was extra from another. Don't just look at the sticker pric
e, look at exactly what is included. Besides having an excellent reputatio
n, Barrett will give you an honest answer to any question even if it might
not be in their best interest. They also build competition winning engines
for several big names so you know they can take a beating. Any of the 6 s
hops that are authorized to build a new Lycoming "X" engine will be a good
choice but Barrett won out for me.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine wou
ld you buy?
Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, fast
er, stronger, lighter as advertised?
How about the Lycoming X series?
Others?
If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and wei
ght were, which would you like, regardless of cost?
Jeff Dalton
Wings
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| Subject: | OSH 07 - Couple of pics |
Couple of pics
Jim C
40192
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| Subject: | Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would |
yo
I just ordered the Mattituck IO-540 Red/Gold pkg at OSH. I just want a all new
260hp quality engine that I will not have any problems with. They had a great
deal for the OSH crowd (-$500 plus free USA shipping) and they seem to be really
behind the Red/Gold program. Their warranty is better than Lycoming's (3 yrs
from engine start) and they are very flexible on the delivery (any time this
year). The engine includes a lot of value added bells and whistles including
irridium plugs. There were at least 3 RV10's at OSH with the Red?gold package
from Mattituck. I never saw the aerosport or BPE booths at OSH, so I did not get
their presentation, but they are there.
Guess that I will just have to see how the engine runs and warranty support.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust
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| Subject: | WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System |
Got a sheet at OSH that listed the new service plans from WSI. They are
now priced exactly as XM, which is to say lower with more features.
Here's the rundown:
$29.99/mo ($359/yr)
WSI NOWrad
Precipitation Type
Dynamic Radar Coverage Mask
Lightning
METARs
TAFs
TFRs
City Forecasts
$49.99/mo ($599/yr) adds the following:
Radar Summary
Winds Aloft
Temperatures Aloft
Cloud Top (Satellite IR)
International METARs *
International TAFs *
AIRMETs
SIGMETs
Surface Analysis
Sever Storm Watch Boxes
Canadian Radar, Coverage Mask
Add-ons: $99/yr
PIREPs and AIREPs - Can be added to either service
I believe they are also planning to roll out some additional new
features, but they haven't been announced as of yet.
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Another important Note: If you have an un-activated AV-100 or AV-200,
you will want to activate it right away. They will still activate it
later so you can upgrade, but apparently their legal department has some
concerns over possible fraud that can happen and they'd like to close
the doors on the problem by getting them activated very soon.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
Just got word from Vic that he replaced his MAC relay last year too,
and now he *thinks* it's happening again (at least once). That
would seem to show a trend...he's got over 400 hours, and I've got
260 and Scott in the low 200's I think. So it looks like perhaps
the REL-1's will only go so long and you'll start having them
stick. The prudent thing would be to replace them before that
happens.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> HI Tim,
>
> I'm having the same problem with my trim. I though it was something we
> did wrong. I'm glad to hear there is a quick solution.
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
> flying
>
> do not archive
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine |
would yo
Great deal! But, Let's all be hoping that nobody has to get
a chance to see the warranty support. ;) So far from the
sounds of it, everyone's RV-10 engine from these few dealers
has been a very very good experience. Now if we can only keep
the pilots skills and attitudes under control we should
show a very good damage track record as well.
Hope to see about 40 at OSH2008. It's been running at about
25% of the flying number so far, so that seems reasonable by
that time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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AirMike wrote:
>
> I just ordered the Mattituck IO-540 Red/Gold pkg at OSH. I just want
> a all new 260hp quality engine that I will not have any problems
> with. They had a great deal for the OSH crowd (-$500 plus free USA
> shipping) and they seem to be really behind the Red/Gold program.
> Their warranty is better than Lycoming's (3 yrs from engine start)
> and they are very flexible on the delivery (any time this year). The
> engine includes a lot of value added bells and whistles including
> irridium plugs. There were at least 3 RV10's at OSH with the Red?gold
> package from Mattituck. I never saw the aerosport or BPE booths at
> OSH, so I did not get their presentation, but they are there.
>
> Guess that I will just have to see how the engine runs and warranty
> support.
>
> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>
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| Subject: | Re: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System |
Just curious -- did they talk about how this will all play out when they merge
with XM? will they still have two systems (I guess it wouldn't make sense)?
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N777TY (res)
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
The great story on Epic is how they computer stretched the Lancair IVP
50% to get to the Epic LT and now Lancair has unveiled their new
improved four passenger that is an Epic shrunk 49%. The new Lancair
sure has a powerful PW turbo prop up front.
Mecca was amazing for RV-10s. Scott's should be in the November issue
of AOPA. Jesse has a great interior package. Tim's plane flies great.
Wonderful builders. Lopresti's seminar on cowl design shows the James
brothers are truly from the south.
Lots of new electronics.
"Miss Piggy" the RV-12 mockup is still not ready for primetime. Cessna
and Cirrus will take the certified portion. Many builders were
interested but all the hoopla on an emerging market is still not
documented. The Russian M-12 was interesting and if you can pull the
Jabiru option off and install Rotax 914 turbos, it could be interesting.
Back home.
John #600
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports
out. Must be having too much fun.
Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the
Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water,
if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows,
gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls
a note!
John Jessen
#40328, and not in the land of Oz.
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| Subject: | Re: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System |
From everything I hear so far, nobody's making plans to merge systems
yet. WSI is actively contracted with Avidyne to have their receivers
built, and they're taking quite the hit swapping them for free, so it's
doubtful that they'll be too interested in quickly swapping them for
some other system. Also, in talking to at least Chelton, the more
"certified" systems have a concern in that right now WSI is the only
one that actually provides a system with a constant and known interface.
XM is out there in many various forms, but you can only count on it
working in the certified world if you have a known system. That's
why Garmin's stuff relies on their own receiver. So the fact that
you get a known interface keeps WSI attractive in the certified world
that isn't Garmin. So there really isn't much talk on what's going
to happen down the road. The installed base on both sides is
too significant to ignore if they decided to merge technologies.
In the end, they may just stay split on the datalink systems...nobody
knows.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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N777TY wrote:
>
> Just curious -- did they talk about how this will all play out when
> they merge with XM? will they still have two systems (I guess it
> wouldn't make sense)?
>
> -------- RV-7A N777TY (res)
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 HQ -Great Experience |
I am just now getting to the thousands of emails that I purposefully
neglected while at OSH.
I did want to share my appreciation and thanks to all that were at the RV-10
HQ and other RV related activities this past week. I especially want to
thank Susan and Brenda for putting up will all of us and keeping everyone
well fed. I also want to thank them for allowing Bob and Gary to arrive
early and reserve all our spaces. Without Bob's and Gary's effort, I know
my OSH experience would have been the same. As a builder that is just
starting, I learned a wealth of information from the many informal
gatherings that took place at RV-10. I want to thank everyone for making
both Brad and myself fell welcomed.
My trip home yesterday was a little more tense that my perfect trip to OSH.
Originally, I had an IFR reservation at 9:30 to depart. I filed IFR to be
talking to ATC over the lake and because the wx in Ohio was going to be
marginal. When I talked to FSS in the morning, they said that I had nothing
to worry about and it should be good vfr all the way home. ATC was giving
an eta of 60-90 minutes for engine starts for IFR departures. Based upon
our FSS briefing and the delays, Brad and I decided to depart VFR.
No big deal until we got to the other side of Lake Michigan. The 7000
scattered soon became 3500 broken, with visibility dropping to 3-4 miles.
We thought about going above the broken layer, but decided against since the
clouds were building vertically very quickly. Unfortunately, when we were
about half way between Fort Wayne and Toledo, the ceiling and visibility
started to drop considerably. Thankfully ATC wasn't busy and I filed IFR
for the rest of the trip. I spent the next hour in hard IFR until I broke
out on the approach at KOSU.
This was the first time that I had been in hard IFR conditions since I got
the rating and the first time that I was without an instructor. Most of my
experience has just been popping up and down through the cloud layer. It
got tense for a few moments, but I kept telling myself to keep the scan
going and do what I was taught. Other than getting home a little more
stressed out than planned, everything turned out for the best. Had I had a
little more recent experience, I'm sure I would have been less stressed out.
If there is any advice I can share for anyone with a newly minted IFR rating
is to get as much experience in real IFR conditions as you can.
I've rambled enough about my trip home. I was fortunate enough to meet
many new friends and fellow RV-10 builders of which the list is too long to
mention. Based upon the comments from Brad and myself, my wife has already
made a decision that we'll both be there next year as long as I rent a RV
for camping. We are already counting down the days until we see everyone
again next year.
bob
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
I didn't really see anything in the 4 large hangars that qualified as
"revolutionary" this year. It was all just incremental improvements in
the various existing market. I continue to be surprised though that
there's even a market for lots of VLJ's.
Also, after thinking about it a bit, I don't know if I'm interested
in the RV-12 at all anymore. It's pretty ugly to look at, and
the Sonex seems to be more aerobatically inclined. No, I haven't
quite started a serious hunt to buy another kit, but have been
toying around with the idea of building an aerobatic 2 seater
to play with and perhaps give it to my dad to use as "his" airplane
much of the year. I might be up for a quick building kit.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John W. Cox wrote:
> The great story on Epic is how they computer stretched the Lancair IVP
> 50% to get to the Epic LT and now Lancair has unveiled their new
> improved four passenger that is an Epic shrunk 49%. The new Lancair
> sure has a powerful PW turbo prop up front.
>
>
>
> Mecca was amazing for RV-10s. Scotts should be in the November issue
> of AOPA. Jesse has a great interior package. Tims plane flies great.
> Wonderful builders. Loprestis seminar on cowl design shows the James
> brothers are truly from the south.
>
>
>
> Lots of new electronics.
>
>
>
> Miss Piggy the RV-12 mockup is still not ready for primetime. Cessna
> and Cirrus will take the certified portion. Many builders were
> interested but all the hoopla on an emerging market is still not
> documented. The Russian M-12 was interesting and if you can pull the
> Jabiru option off and install Rotax 914 turbos, it could be interesting.
>
>
>
> Back home.
>
>
>
> John #600
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:03 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
>
>
>
> It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
> swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get reports
> out. Must be having too much fun.
>
>
>
> Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the
> Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water,
> if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows,
> gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls
> a note!
>
>
>
> John Jessen
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
Hey Y'all...
I'm an EE, and one question keeps popping into my head on the relay issue:
Why are you using a *mechanical* relay? Does it give you any advantage
over a solid-state relay or equivalent circuit?
Just curious... Neither right or wrong implied....
-Jim 40384 (just unpacking fuselage kit between downpours.. Woohoo!)
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Just got word from Vic that he replaced his MAC relay last year too,
> and now he *thinks* it's happening again (at least once). That
> would seem to show a trend...he's got over 400 hours, and I've got
> 260 and Scott in the low 200's I think. So it looks like perhaps
> the REL-1's will only go so long and you'll start having them
> stick. The prudent thing would be to replace them before that
> happens.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> HI Tim,
>>
>> I'm having the same problem with my trim. I though it was something
>> we did wrong. I'm glad to hear there is a quick solution.
>>
>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>>
>> flying
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> *
>
>
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| Subject: | If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would |
you buy?
Until you place in print where each of the Lycoming based vendors
document their product. We are waiting on apples, oranges, tangerines
and kiwis as a discussion point. It is damned difficult to answer.
In defense of clarity, which of the alternatives to Barrett, provide an
owner with a documented Dyno run to establish the pig in a poke? To what
gram weight is each component balanced. When a builder does not care,
then Barrett is indeed more expensive. Another standard is which
airshow performers use which RV-10 engine builder? Which rebuilder
gives a complete set of documents, CDROMS and blueprints?
OSH was a pretty fair playing field to get those questions answered.
For price alone, Aerosport has a lot of engines flying in RV-10s.
To avoid being coy. I selected Barrett, John Forsling and a Lopresti
style cowl a long time ago and little has swayed my decision since.
James is no LoPresti cowl.
If Money were not object - the subject line question. BPAE.
John Cox - 600
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine
would you buy?
Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer,
faster, stronger, lighter as advertised?
How about the Lycoming X series?
Others?
If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and
weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost?
Jeff Dalton
Wings
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| Subject: | 51% rule update from OSH |
I hope and pray each night before I go to bed, that the individuals on
the committee take swift and clear action to protect individual builders
rights.
Hearing "Two weeks to Taxi" at OSH and my neck begins to swell.
Then again, should the FAA reconsider Quick Build kit definitions. Not
if the builder actually can demonstrate through action and verbal answer
that "They built it for their own education".
The question will be how much final assembly composite work can
companies like Lancair and Epic bring into their Factory Assist Programs
and away from untrained hired guns. Should we restrict Builder Assist
and deprive all the fat cats of their "money can buy anything
lifestyle"?
I am not getting my hopes up when the wolves are guarding the Hen House.
But thanks Bob for thinking Van is looking after the little guys in
their garages.
John Cox
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 51% rule update from OSH
Van made an interesting comment at the banquet the other night. He
basically stated if you paying somebody to build your aircraft, you
better
get it done quick. You can read into that whatever you choose.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ -Great Experience |
I had a great time as well, and would also like to thank those that
helped to setup the camping. The most fun part of the trip for me was
just hanging out and chatting about airplanes, although I was mighty
disappointed to find out we weren't "Real Pilots"... ;-)
-Dj
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Dj Merrill
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Please pass to Scott Reagan |
Scott,
I stopped by the booth at Osh on Wed hoping to find that Jepp is going to
price the nav / obst data for Chelton Sports more reasonably this year.
I was disappointed to hear from the lady I talked with that the price is not
only NOT going down, but is planned to go UP!
C'mon, Jepp. Please get real for those of us in the Chelton world, both the
certified and sport versions!
Price these database updates as competitively as the ones for my G-430!!!
Here's hoping we see some reasonable pricing soon!
John Miller
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| Subject: | If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would |
you buy?
The Aero Sport people are "First Rate" with a great track record.
Probably because their's have not been any major problems, consumers
have no idea trying to use US attorneys to recover restitution from
Canadian barristers. I hear you need to be a blood relative of the
Queen.
Good people, no problem. Cheap products, quick sale artists and you
will get a quick lesson in International trade. Tread carefully with
international copies who do not have a US presence so you can file in US
courts if you believe you are harmed.
Great query.
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style
engine would you buy?
How does Aero Sport Power deal with warranty issues? Any concerns
bringing engine across the border?
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
Jim,
Man, while I agree with you, it's a tough one to call, because either
way you can have a failure. I guess I'm just as uncomfortable
having one than the other, but right now there isn't a commercial
alternative that is in ready-to-use form, and I myself will be
happy to just snip and solder to get it working well. From the
sounds of it, they've been abusing and testing the heck out of
their REL-2, so I would hope we wouldn't continue to see issues
after that swap. If someone came out with a pretty foolproof
commercial solid state relay for the task, complete with
interchangeable wire harness, I'd probably look at it too.
I'm a build-it-yourself guy, but on this one I'm not only lazy, but
I'd want to see someone's schematic first.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
James Hein wrote:
>
> Hey Y'all...
>
> I'm an EE, and one question keeps popping into my head on the relay issue:
>
> Why are you using a *mechanical* relay? Does it give you any advantage
> over a solid-state relay or equivalent circuit?
>
> Just curious... Neither right or wrong implied....
>
> -Jim 40384 (just unpacking fuselage kit between downpours.. Woohoo!)
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>>
>> Just got word from Vic that he replaced his MAC relay last year too,
>> and now he *thinks* it's happening again (at least once). That
>> would seem to show a trend...he's got over 400 hours, and I've got
>> 260 and Scott in the low 200's I think. So it looks like perhaps
>> the REL-1's will only go so long and you'll start having them
>> stick. The prudent thing would be to replace them before that
>> happens.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>>
>>> HI Tim,
>>>
>>> I'm having the same problem with my trim. I though it was something
>>> we did wrong. I'm glad to hear there is a quick solution.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>>
>>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>>>
>>> flying
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
My thoughts are very similar. I had a friend from Salt Lake show up Saturda
y morning while I was leaving and he and his son only had Saturday and half
of Sunday to look around and wanted to know what he should look at. That
was a hard one because like Tim said, I didn't see anything at Oshkosh that
I am dying for. Oshkosh had a feeling that the "middle class" is starting
to go away. Light Sport aircraft was being pushed by the EAA, and 4 place
turbines / jets were popping up everywhere. So you had the $25,000 Sonex
and the $1MM dollar Evolution / Eclipse / Epic / Cirrus. I was amazed at
how many of the Cessna Light Sport aircraft were pre-sold. I think the la
st number I heard was somewhere in the 500's. That is a $100,000 + dollar
aircraft and is basically a newer 152. =0AIn the four / five place single
engine category I was very impressed with the Diamond Aircraft DA50. It ap
peared to have good room, great visibility and huge storage with a 1320 lb.
useful load. But for $600,000+ it also had a big price tag. =0AFor EFIS
systems, I didn't see anything that made me jealous. I played with the OP
EFIS a little but would like to see a head to head Chelton / OP fly-off. Ga
rmin is doing a great job too. =0ANothing really great in engines other
than the standard Lycoming still appears to be the only reliable choice. T
he rotary engine was cool but I kept thinking to myself, why? New engine d
evelopment must be fueled by Jet A if it is going to have a chance of displ
acing the standard Lycoming. SMA may have something in a few more years th
ough. =0AThis was the first year that Burt Rutan wasn't there giving a foru
m ( I'm pretty sure). Heard he sold Scaled Composites and probably is off
buying a ride to space from the Russians. =0A =0AThis was also the most cro
wded Oshkosh ever. The camp grounds were completely full and the ATIS for
a few days said there was no more room for airplanes unless you were a home
built or vintage aircraft. Every spot of grass had an airplane on it. The
economy over the past 5 years has been incredible and I think the type of
aircraft that are being developed show it and the number of people who are
interested in aviation is growing. By Sunday night (before Oshkosh even be
gan) the campground was full all the way to the main road where you enter i
nto the campground. =0AI also learned something new this year, Oshkosh rea
lly starts on Sunday. I bought all my shirts on Sunday, the grounds were v
ery crowded and 80% of the planes were already there. =0A =0AIt appears th
at a level of saturation is occurring. The growth areas really are new pil
ots who are going to buy light sport aircraft and 4 place turbines that wil
l go into air taxi service where there isn't any additional pilots added to
the current 600,000 just new passengers. =0A =0AThe RV-10 amazed me even
more after this trip. For the price of a Cessna Light Sport you can have f
our seats, cruise at 170 knots and have a plane that is fun to fly with gre
at visibility. =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com =0A=0A=0A=0A
----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>=0ATo: rv10-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:13:02 AM=0ASubject: Re:
Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>=0A=0AI didn't really see anything in the 4 large ha
ngars that qualified as=0A"revolutionary" this year. It was all just incre
mental improvements in=0Athe various existing market. I continue to be sur
prised though that=0Athere's even a market for lots of VLJ's.=0A=0AAlso, af
ter thinking about it a bit, I don't know if I'm interested=0Ain the RV-12
at all anymore. It's pretty ugly to look at, and=0Athe Sonex seems to be m
ore aerobatically inclined. No, I haven't=0Aquite started a serious hunt t
o buy another kit, but have been=0Atoying around with the idea of building
an aerobatic 2 seater=0Ato play with and perhaps give it to my dad to use a
s "his" airplane=0Amuch of the year. I might be up for a quick building ki
t.=0A=0ATim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AJohn W.
Cox wrote:=0A> The great story on Epic is how they computer stretched the L
ancair IVP =0A> 50% to get to the Epic LT and now Lancair has unveiled thei
r new =0A> improved four passenger that is an Epic shrunk 49%. The new Lan
cair =0A> sure has a powerful PW turbo prop up front.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> M
ecca was amazing for RV-10s. Scott=92s should be in the November issue =0A
> of AOPA. Jesse has a great interior package. Tim=92s plane flies great.
=0A> Wonderful builders. Lopresti=92s seminar on cowl design shows the J
ames =0A> brothers are truly from the south.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Lots of ne
w electronics.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =93Miss Piggy=94 the RV-12 mockup is sti
ll not ready for primetime. Cessna =0A> and Cirrus will take the certified
portion. Many builders were =0A> interested but all the hoopla on an emerg
ing market is still not =0A> documented. The Russian M-12 was interesting
and if you can pull the =0A> Jabiru option off and install Rotax 914 turbos
, it could be interesting.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Back home.=0A> =0A> =0A>
=0A> John #600=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ----------------------------------------
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tronics.com =0A> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf O
f *John Jessen=0A> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:03 PM=0A> *To:* rv10-
list@matronics.com=0A> *Subject:* RV10-List: How's things in Oz?=0A> =0A>
=0A> =0A> It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
=0A> swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get repor
ts =0A> out. Must be having too much fun. =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Hey, JC, ho
w about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the =0A> Cirrus a
nd Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water, =0A> if it
was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows, =0A> gal
s, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor souls =0A>
a note! =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> John Jessen=0A> =0A> #40328, and not in the
land of Oz. =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> do not archive=0A> =0A> * *=0A> =0A> * *
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| Subject: | Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
In Ray Allen's documentation, that comes with the 207 hand grip, it shows a
way to direct wire the stick controls without the rely. However, if a seco
nd grip or the panel mounted rocker switch is used the alternative shown is
a DPDT switch that transfers the function for one control stick to the ot
her or panel rocker switch. Not as elegant as the relays but it is an optio
n.
Vern Smith #324 fuselage systems
> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:06:40 -0500> From: Tim@MyRV10.com> To: rv10-li
st@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relay
Man, while I agree with you, it's a tough one to call, because either> way
you can have a failure. I guess I'm just as uncomfortable> having one than
the other, but right now there isn't a commercial> alternative that is in
ready-to-use form, and I myself will be> happy to just snip and solder to g
et it working well. From the> sounds of it, they've been abusing and testin
g the heck out of> their REL-2, so I would hope we wouldn't continue to see
issues> after that swap. If someone came out with a pretty foolproof> comm
ercial solid state relay for the task, complete with> interchangeable wire
harness, I'd probably look at it too.> I'm a build-it-yourself guy, but on
this one I'm not only lazy, but> I'd want to see someone's schematic first.
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> do not archive> > > James Hein wrote
y Y'all...> > > > I'm an EE, and one question keeps popping into my head on
the relay issue:> > > > Why are you using a *mechanical* relay? Does it gi
ve you any advantage > > over a solid-state relay or equivalent circuit?> >
> > Just curious... Neither right or wrong implied....> > > > -Jim 40384 (
just unpacking fuselage kit between downpours.. Woohoo!)> > > > Tim Olson w
>>> >> Just got word from Vic that he replaced his MAC relay last year too,
> >> and now he *thinks* it's happening again (at least once). That> >> wou
ld seem to show a trend...he's got over 400 hours, and I've got> >> 260 and
Scott in the low 200's I think. So it looks like perhaps> >> the REL-1's w
ill only go so long and you'll start having them> >> stick. The prudent thi
ng would be to replace them before that> >> happens.> >>> >> Tim Olson - RV
-10 N104CD - Flying> >> do not archive> >>> >>> >> Wayne Edgerton wrote:> >
>> >>> HI Tim,> >>> > >>> I'm having the same problem with my trim. I thoug
h it was something > >>> we did wrong. I'm glad to hear there is a quick so
lution.> >>> > >>> Thanks for the heads up.> >>> > >>> Wayne Edgerton #4033
6> >>> > >>> flying> >>> > >>> do not archive> >>>> >>> *> >>> >>> >>> >>>
====================> > >
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
I ditto Scott and Tim's comments. Although I had the privilege of
flying a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and
a free parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL
to get both ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation
Training at KMTW looks like that is passing into the History Books.
Next year will be the Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the
last year for lots of those as well. I was also able to get Paul
Grimstad and Deems a perspective of OSH from the air and what the
warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be "Certified" to see Air Taxi
operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to
allow carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough
buyers are going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000
pursuit, but it remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his
medical and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as
an author. I don't have any other over 55 year old pilots considering
the intoxication of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still
cannot find the fire for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA
for Sport Pilot privileges. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit
for the money when equipped with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country
capability. Their were six beauties to look at, Scott and Rene still
have a right to grin and Tim's was an unforgettable pleasure to bank
with a full load of builders "On Board"
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for
Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs
that some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years.
BMA won't even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled
its own product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much
became a rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other
instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds
waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the
significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were
poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own
wingtips, landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10
market. The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one
consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened
to EAA -AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final
recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to
Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that
make building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:03 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
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> It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
> swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get
reports
> out. Must be having too much fun.
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> Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how
the
> Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the
water,
> if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on,
fellows,
> gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor
souls
> a note!
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>
> John Jessen
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
Aircraft Extras has a relay board for the Ray Allen relays.
<http://www.aircraftextras.com/RelayBoard1.htm>
Any experience out there with these relays. Just about ready to mount
the pair I have.
--
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
At 02:35 PM 7/29/2007 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>Aircraft Extras has a relay board for the Ray Allen relays.
><http://www.aircraftextras.com/RelayBoard1.htm>
>Any experience out there with these relays. Just about ready to mount the pair
I have.
>
>--
>Larry Rosen
>RV-10 #356
>http://lrosen.nerv10.com
>
Our Matronics Governor MkIII does a similar function and includes speed control
in a small, reliable package:
http://www.matronics.com/governor/
There are over 1000 RVs flying with the Governor MkIII!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH.
Everyday
I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the way of
new
and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products that I've
been
following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS Garmin was going
to
put out, given that many of us in the market for a 496 are now waiting
for
the other shoe to drop, given the recent reduction in prices. I was
also
waiting to hear more about Rob's new software, but not much about that
(did
anyone see it and was it more than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until
the
-10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice age.
So,
save me a place.
John J
#328.
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim=92s comments. Although I had the privilege of
flying a
Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and a free
parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL to get
both
ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation Training at
KMTW
looks like that is passing into the History Books. Next year will be
the
Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the last year for lots of
those as well. I was also able to get Paul Grimstad and Deems a
perspective
of OSH from the air and what the warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be =93Certified=94 to see Air
Taxi
operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to
allow
carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough buyers are
going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000 pursuit, but
it
remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his
medical
and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as an
author.
I don=92t have any other over 55 year old pilots considering the
intoxication
of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still cannot find the fire
for
all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA for Sport Pilot
privileges.
Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit for the money when equipped
with
Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country capability. Their were six beauties to
look
at, Scott and Rene still have a right to grin and Tim=92s was an
unforgettable
pleasure to bank with a full load of builders =93On Board=94
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for
Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs
that
some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years. BMA
won=92t
even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled its own
product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much became
a
rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other
instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds
waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the
significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were
poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own
wingtips,
landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10 market. The
airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just
outside
the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA 'AM radio
1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final
recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to
Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that
make
building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
Jessen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:03 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
>
>
>
> It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
> swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get
reports
> out. Must be having too much fun.
>
>
>
> Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how
the
> Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the
water,
> if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on,
fellows,
> gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor
souls
> a note!
>
>
>
> John Jessen
>
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| Subject: | Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would |
you buy?
One thing I came away with from this years show is that I am going to
install an IO-540 of some kind. BPA or AeroSport both look good. I
appreciate all the posts on this subject because I was about to ask the
same question. I am no longer on the fence about alternatives. The
only question now is certified or experimental?
Dave Leikam
40496
QB Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: John W. Cox
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style
engine would you buy?
Until you place in print where each of the Lycoming based vendors
document their product. We are waiting on apples, oranges, tangerines
and kiwis as a discussion point. It is damned difficult to answer.
In defense of clarity, which of the alternatives to Barrett, provide
an owner with a documented Dyno run to establish the pig in a poke? To
what gram weight is each component balanced. When a builder does not
care, then Barrett is indeed more expensive. Another standard is which
airshow performers use which RV-10 engine builder? Which rebuilder
gives a complete set of documents, CDROMS and blueprints?
OSH was a pretty fair playing field to get those questions answered.
For price alone, Aerosport has a lot of engines flying in RV-10s.
To avoid being coy. I selected Barrett, John Forsling and a Lopresti
style cowl a long time ago and little has swayed my decision since.
James is no LoPresti cowl.
If Money were not object - the subject line question. BPAE.
John Cox - 600
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:24 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style
engine would you buy?
Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer,
faster, stronger, lighter as advertised?
How about the Lycoming X series?
Others?
If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety,
and weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost?
Jeff Dalton
Wings
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| Subject: | If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would |
you buy?
Why is Vans experimental IO-540 direct from Lycoming not rating a
mention here? I just took delivery of an IO-540 and Hartzell prop from
Vans for almost the same price as a BPA engine (courtesy of a recent
engine price drop and Engine/prop package discount at Vans). I would
have liked a Barrett engine given unlimited budget, but I don't know
what level of support they can offer customers in the deeeep south. A
Lycoming branded engine with no middle man should be readily supportable
by engine shops here in Oz and lend themselves to any local performance
enhancements they have to offer.
cheers,
Ron in South Australia
- thinkin' about paint
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 2:50 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: If money were no object which
Lycoming-style engine would you buy?
One thing I came away with from this years show is that I am
going to install an IO-540 of some kind. BPA or AeroSport both look
good. I appreciate all the posts on this subject because I was about to
ask the same question. I am no longer on the fence about alternatives.
The only question now is certified or experimental?
Dave Leikam
40496
QB Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: John W. Cox <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which
Lycoming-style engine would you buy?
Until you place in print where each of the Lycoming
based vendors document their product. We are waiting on apples,
oranges, tangerines and kiwis as a discussion point. It is damned
difficult to answer.
In defense of clarity, which of the alternatives to
Barrett, provide an owner with a documented Dyno run to establish the
pig in a poke? To what gram weight is each component balanced. When a
builder does not care, then Barrett is indeed more expensive. Another
standard is which airshow performers use which RV-10 engine builder?
Which rebuilder gives a complete set of documents, CDROMS and
blueprints?
OSH was a pretty fair playing field to get those
questions answered. For price alone, Aerosport has a lot of engines
flying in RV-10s.
To avoid being coy. I selected Barrett, John Forsling
and a Lopresti style cowl a long time ago and little has swayed my
decision since. James is no LoPresti cowl.
If Money were not object - the subject line question.
BPAE.
John Cox - 600
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:24 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which
Lycoming-style engine would you buy?
Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money?
Is it safer, faster, stronger, lighter as advertised?
How about the Lycoming X series?
Others?
If cost were not the main factor, but quality,
reliability, safety, and weight were, which would you like, regardless
of cost?
Jeff Dalton
Wings
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