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1. 04:42 AM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (ddddsp1@juno.com)
2. 05:58 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Tom Deutsch)
3. 06:30 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (ddddsp1@juno.com)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
5. 06:42 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (John Jessen)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Tom Deutsch)
7. 07:14 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Vernon Smith)
8. 07:19 AM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Sam Marlow)
9. 07:39 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Tom Deutsch)
10. 08:28 AM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Tim Olson)
11. 08:53 AM - Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays (Matt Dralle)
12. 02:04 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Jon Reining)
13. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: How's things in Oz? (Dj Merrill)
14. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: How's things in Oz? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 02:59 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Chris)
16. 03:03 PM - PCU5000X Caution (zackrv8)
17. 03:50 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (jdalton77)
18. 04:10 PM - Jepp database pricing (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
19. 04:17 PM - re-sending Jepp database pricing (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
20. 04:21 PM - Jepp database subscription cost (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
21. 05:16 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Rick Sked)
22. 05:23 PM - Re: PCU5000X Caution (Rick Sked)
23. 05:41 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Deems Davis)
24. 06:36 PM - Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons (Ben Westfall)
25. 06:36 PM - Re: PCU5000X Caution (zackrv8)
26. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: PCU5000X Caution (Rick Sked)
27. 07:06 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Neal George)
28. 07:52 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Rick Sked)
29. 08:09 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Neal George)
30. 09:02 PM - Re: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons (Paul Grimstad)
31. 09:36 PM - Re: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons (Ben Westfall)
32. 09:38 PM - Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions (Paul Grimstad)
33. 10:52 PM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
Matt,
Are you saying a person can just replace the RE-1 relays with your MK go
vernor? How is yours different from the ray Allen (besides speed contro
l) internally?
Dean
805HL
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<html><P>Matt,</P>
<P>Are you saying a person can just replace the RE-1 relays with your MK
governor? How is yours different from the ray Allen (besides spee
d control) internally?</P>
<P>Dean</P>
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
This is a photo of a mod I bought at OSH for my 10. Got home much
faster!
Tom Deutsch
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH.
Everyday I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the
way of new and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products
that I've been following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS
Garmin was going to put out, given that many of us in the market for a
496 are now waiting for the other shoe to drop, given the recent
reduction in prices. I was also waiting to hear more about Rob's new
software, but not much about that (did anyone see it and was it more
than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until
the -10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice
age. So, save me a place.
John J
#328.
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim's comments. Although I had the privilege of
flying a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and
a free parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL
to get both ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation
Training at KMTW looks like that is passing into the History Books.
Next year will be the Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the
last year for lots of those as well. I was also able to get Paul
Grimstad and Deems a perspective of OSH from the air and what the
warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be "Certified" to see Air Taxi
operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to
allow carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough
buyers are going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000
pursuit, but it remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his
medical and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as
an author. I don't have any other over 55 year old pilots considering
the intoxication of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still
cannot find the fire for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA
for Sport Pilot privileges. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit
for the money when equipped with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country
capability. Their were six beauties to look at, Scott and Rene still
have a right to grin and Tim's was an unforgettable pleasure to bank
with a full load of builders "On Board"
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for
Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs
that some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years.
BMA won't even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled
its own product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much
became a rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other
instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds
waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the
significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were
poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own
wingtips, landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10
market. The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one
consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened
to EAA -AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final
recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to
Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that
make building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:03 PM
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> *Subject:* RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
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> It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
> swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get
reports
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> Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how
the
> Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the
water,
> if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on,
fellows,
> gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor
souls
> a note!
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> John Jessen
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
Tom,
Love the mod to your RV10. I missed you at OSH........was looking for
ward to seeing your plane. Did you fly up with Ray D.? BTW...how much
did that mod cost? and does it cruise at 250MPH now? :)
Dean 805HL
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<P> Love the mod to your RV10. I missed you at OSH........wa
s looking forward to seeing your plane. Did you fly up with Ray D.
? BTW...how much did that mod cost? and does it c
ruise at 250MPH now? :)</P>
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| Subject: | Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
Exactly. I've designed and built my own Ailron, Elevator and Flap controller
using solid state MOSFET drivers. I have 290 hours on my RV-10 now and all the
trim motors are working perfectly. The problem with relays over time is they
can stick or build up carbon on the leads from opening and closing all the time.
I very small circuit board could be made with the H MOSFET driver on it
and a DB-9 connector.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays
Hey Y'all...
I'm an EE, and one question keeps popping into my head on the relay issue:
Why are you using a *mechanical* relay? Does it give you any advantage
over a solid-state relay or equivalent circuit?
Just curious... Neither right or wrong implied....
-Jim 40384 (just unpacking fuselage kit between downpours.. Woohoo!)
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Just got word from Vic that he replaced his MAC relay last year too,
> and now he *thinks* it's happening again (at least once). That
> would seem to show a trend...he's got over 400 hours, and I've got
> 260 and Scott in the low 200's I think. So it looks like perhaps
> the REL-1's will only go so long and you'll start having them
> stick. The prudent thing would be to replace them before that
> happens.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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>
> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> HI Tim,
>>
>> I'm having the same problem with my trim. I though it was something
>> we did wrong. I'm glad to hear there is a quick solution.
>>
>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>>
>> flying
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
Nice looking mod.
John J
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Deutsch
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
This is a photo of a mod I bought at OSH for my 10. Got home much
faster!
Tom Deutsch
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH.
Everyday
I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the way of
new
and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products that I've
been
following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS Garmin was going
to
put out, given that many of us in the market for a 496 are now waiting
for
the other shoe to drop, given the recent reduction in prices. I was
also
waiting to hear more about Rob's new software, but not much about that
(did
anyone see it and was it more than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until
the
-10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice age.
So,
save me a place.
John J
#328.
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim=92s comments. Although I had the privilege of
flying a
Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and a free
parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL to get
both
ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation Training at
KMTW
looks like that is passing into the History Books. Next year will be
the
Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the last year for lots of
those as well. I was also able to get Paul Grimstad and Deems a
perspective
of OSH from the air and what the warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be =93Certified=94 to see Air
Taxi
operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to
allow
carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough buyers are
going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000 pursuit, but
it
remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his
medical
and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as an
author.
I don=92t have any other over 55 year old pilots considering the
intoxication
of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still cannot find the fire
for
all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA for Sport Pilot
privileges.
Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit for the money when equipped
with
Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country capability. Their were six beauties to
look
at, Scott and Rene still have a right to grin and Tim=92s was an
unforgettable
pleasure to bank with a full load of builders =93On Board=94
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for
Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs
that
some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years. BMA
won=92t
even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled its own
product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much became
a
rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other
instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds
waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the
significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were
poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own
wingtips,
landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10 market. The
airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just
outside
the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA 'AM radio
1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final
recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to
Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that
make
building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
Jessen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:03 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
>
>
>
> It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
> swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get
reports
> out. Must be having too much fun.
>
>
>
> Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how
the
> Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the
water,
> if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on,
fellows,
> gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor
souls
> a note!
>
>
>
> John Jessen
>
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
I was in HBC Thurs & Friday. Grandson kept me very busy so could see
many of you guys, and no one comes waaaay back to HBC. Mod cost $5-send
a check and I'll ship. (just joking-send cash instead)
Tom Deutsch
Vice President
RHW Development and Construction Services
Office 913 451-1222
Fax 913 451-6493
Cell 913 908-7752
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
Tom,
Love the mod to your RV10. I missed you at OSH........was looking
forward to seeing your plane. Did you fly up with Ray D.? BTW...how
much did that mod cost? and does it cruise at 250MPH now? :)
Dean 805HL
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
Now that's one way to get out of installling gear fairing and wheel pants:)
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage systems)
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:57:21
-0500From: deutscht@rhwhotels.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.com
This is a photo of a mod I bought at OSH for my 10. Got home much faster!
Tom Deutsch
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John JessenSent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:59 PMT
o: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH. Everyday
I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the way of new
and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products that I've been
following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS Garmin was going to
put out, given that many of us in the market for a 496 are now waiting for
the other shoe to drop, given the recent reduction in prices. I was also
waiting to hear more about Rob's new software, but not much about that (did
anyone see it and was it more than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until the
-10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice age. So
, save me a place.
John J
#328.
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. CoxSent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PMTo
: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim=92s comments. Although I had the privilege of flying
a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and a free p
arking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL to get both
ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation Training at KMTW l
ooks like that is passing into the History Books. Next year will be the Fi
ftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the last year for lots of thos
e as well. I was also able to get Paul Grimstad and Deems a perspective of
OSH from the air and what the warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be =93Certified=94 to see Air Taxi
operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to allo
w carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough buyers are g
oing to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000 pursuit, but it r
emains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his medical
and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as an author.
I don=92t have any other over 55 year old pilots considering the intoxicat
ion of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still cannot find the fire
for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA for Sport Pilot privileg
es. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit for the money when equippe
d with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country capability. Their were six beauties
to look at, Scott and Rene still have a right to grin and Tim=92s was an u
nforgettable pleasure to bank with a full load of builders =93On Board=94
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for Wiscon
sin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs that some EF
IS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years. BMA won=92t even
support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled its own product o
bsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much became a rehash of
the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other instruct
ors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds waiting in
chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the significant Daily
Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were poorly prepared yet
LoPresti is coming to market with their own wingtips, landing lights and en
gine cowl specifically for the RV-10 market. The airshow each day was a ya
wner except for the cold one consumed just outside the security fence while
we watched and listened to EAA 'AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final recom
mendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to Taxi hi
red professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that make build
ing for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
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server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 2
5, 2007 5:03 PM> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com> *Subject:* RV10-List: How's
things in Oz?> > > > It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did t
he land of Oz > swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to
get reports > out. Must be having too much fun. > > > > Hey, JC, how abo
ut something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how the > Cirrus and Cessn
a entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the water, > if it was ever i
n the water, given the stall issues. Come on, fellows, > gals, set the bee
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
Could you pass along a parts list and a schematic?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
30hrs
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
>
> Exactly. I've designed and built my own Ailron, Elevator and Flap controller
using solid state MOSFET drivers. I have 290 hours on my RV-10 now and all
the trim motors are working perfectly. The problem with relays over time is they
can stick or build up carbon on the leads from opening and closing all the
time. I very small circuit board could be made with the H MOSFET driver on it
and a DB-9 connector.
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250
> N519RV
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:24 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays
>
>
> Hey Y'all...
>
> I'm an EE, and one question keeps popping into my head on the relay issue:
>
> Why are you using a *mechanical* relay? Does it give you any advantage
> over a solid-state relay or equivalent circuit?
>
> Just curious... Neither right or wrong implied....
>
> -Jim 40384 (just unpacking fuselage kit between downpours.. Woohoo!)
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Just got word from Vic that he replaced his MAC relay last year too,
>> and now he *thinks* it's happening again (at least once). That
>> would seem to show a trend...he's got over 400 hours, and I've got
>> 260 and Scott in the low 200's I think. So it looks like perhaps
>> the REL-1's will only go so long and you'll start having them
>> stick. The prudent thing would be to replace them before that
>> happens.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>>
>>
>>> HI Tim,
>>>
>>> I'm having the same problem with my trim. I though it was something
>>> we did wrong. I'm glad to hear there is a quick solution.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>>
>>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>>>
>>> flying
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
You bet, and the hours are about the same too!!
Tom Deutsch
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
Now that's one way to get out of installling gear fairing and wheel
pants:)
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage systems)
________________________________
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
From: deutscht@rhwhotels.com
This is a photo of a mod I bought at OSH for my 10. Got home much
faster!
Tom Deutsch
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
I'm disappointed by the lack of news of any substance out of OSH.
Everyday I'd check the familiar news sources and see very little in the
way of new and potentially interesting up ticks to many of the products
that I've been following. I was hoping to hear what new portable GPS
Garmin was going to put out, given that many of us in the market for a
496 are now waiting for the other shoe to drop, given the recent
reduction in prices. I was also waiting to hear more about Rob's new
software, but not much about that (did anyone see it and was it more
than what his web site shows?).
I hope to finally get to Oz next year. Never been, and if I wait until
the -10 is finished, well, I do want to get there before the next ice
age. So, save me a place.
John J
#328.
do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
I ditto Scott and Tim's comments. Although I had the privilege of
flying a Fighter/Trainer into OSH which qualified for free admission and
a free parking pass, the Free dissolved quickly with the cost of 100LL
to get both ways. KUAO-KOSH-KUAO. Our usual Air Combat / Formation
Training at KMTW looks like that is passing into the History Books.
Next year will be the Fiftieth of the Nanchang CJ-6/Yak so it may be the
last year for lots of those as well. I was also able to get Paul
Grimstad and Deems a perspective of OSH from the air and what the
warbirds were about.
The turbine and turbo-props will have to be "Certified" to see Air Taxi
operation. Angel Flight has already reached board consistence not to
allow carriage of passengers in Amateur built aircraft. Not enough
buyers are going to fund the Factory Assist Kit Built over $1,000,000
pursuit, but it remains fun to watch.
I know that Dave Martin, former editor of Kitplanes, turned in his
medical and went Sport Pilot, but then he gets to fly over 100 types as
an author. I don't have any other over 55 year old pilots considering
the intoxication of the EAA screams of Light Sport coming. I still
cannot find the fire for all the smoke and commotion stirred by the EAA
for Sport Pilot privileges. Bar NONE, the RV-10 is still the finest kit
for the money when equipped with Dual EFIS and IFR Cross Country
capability. Their were six beauties to look at, Scott and Rene still
have a right to grin and Tim's was an unforgettable pleasure to bank
with a full load of builders "On Board"
Lots of sharing of ideas, great comradery, the weather was fine (for
Wisconsin) and it became a most enjoyable week. I already saw signs
that some EFIS manufacturers will fade away in the next three years.
BMA won't even support a brand new unit of three years ago as it labeled
its own product obsolete with no replacement parts into the future. Much
became a rehash of the excitement in years passed.
Kent White, the metal smith guru, was a total no show, three other
instructors of seminars were never there and the topics left with crowds
waiting in chairs. ATS and other tool suppliers did not offer the
significant Daily Special Discounts of years past. Several speakers were
poorly prepared yet LoPresti is coming to market with their own
wingtips, landing lights and engine cowl specifically for the RV-10
market. The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one
consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened
to EAA -AM radio 1510.
All in all, everything waits on the 51% committee to make their final
recommendation to save the Lil Guys or sell them out to the Two Weeks to
Taxi hired professionals. OSH 2007 was all about the great people that
make building for Education and Pleasure so much fun.
John Cox
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John
Jessen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:03 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
>
>
>
> It's rather quiet out there, don't you think? Did the land of Oz
> swallow up everyone? There's got to be some wifi to use to get
reports
> out. Must be having too much fun.
>
>
>
> Hey, JC, how about something on Epic? Or how about a thought on how
the
> Cirrus and Cessna entrees into LSA just blew the RV-12 out of the
water,
> if it was ever in the water, given the stall issues. Come on,
fellows,
> gals, set the beer bottles down just for a second and type us poor
souls
> a note!
>
>
>
> John Jessen
>
> #40328, and not in the land of Oz.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
No kidding, Ray, that would be awesome if you have a schematic and parts
list. Would be a good way to go. I did get my new relay swapped in
yesterday so I'm good to go now, but when the next one sticks I'd
just re-do everything electronic...as long as it's fully wiring compatible.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Sam Marlow wrote:
> Could you pass along a parts list and a schematic?
> Thanks,
> Sam Marlow
> 30hrs
>
> Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
>>
>> Exactly. I've designed and built my own Ailron, Elevator and Flap controller
using solid state MOSFET drivers. I have 290 hours on my RV-10 now and all
the trim motors are working perfectly. The problem with relays over time is
they can stick or build up carbon on the leads from opening and closing all the
time. I very small circuit board could be made with the H MOSFET driver on
it and a DB-9 connector.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You
>> Ray Doerr
>> 40250
>> N519RV
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
>> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:24 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays
>>
>>
>> Hey Y'all...
>>
>> I'm an EE, and one question keeps popping into my head on the relay issue:
>>
>> Why are you using a *mechanical* relay? Does it give you any advantage
>> over a solid-state relay or equivalent circuit?
>>
>> Just curious... Neither right or wrong implied....
>>
>> -Jim 40384 (just unpacking fuselage kit between downpours.. Woohoo!)
>>
>> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Just got word from Vic that he replaced his MAC relay last year too,
>>> and now he *thinks* it's happening again (at least once). That
>>> would seem to show a trend...he's got over 400 hours, and I've got
>>> 260 and Scott in the low 200's I think. So it looks like perhaps
>>> the REL-1's will only go so long and you'll start having them
>>> stick. The prudent thing would be to replace them before that
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> HI Tim,
>>>>
>>>> I'm having the same problem with my trim. I though it was something
>>>> we did wrong. I'm glad to hear there is a quick solution.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>>>>
>>>> flying
>>>>
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays |
At 04:38 AM 7/30/2007 Monday, you wrote:
>Matt,
>
>Are you saying a person can just replace the RE-1 relays with your MK governor?
How is yours different from the ray Allen (besides speed control) internally?
>
>Dean
>
>805HL
Yes, exactly. The Governor MkIII replaces the functionality of the RE-1 plus adds the speed control functionality. The Governor MkIII uses exceptionally high quality components and we've had little issues with them when installed according to the instructions. They are available from Van's Aircraft and direct from our website: http://www.matronics.com/governor .
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
The one thing that really made me go "Cool!" this year was Vertical Power. I know
they've been out for a couple months now, but seeing a live demo really made
me realize the value, and safety added, by the system. I think it will make
wiring much easier as well. Marc Ausman seemed like a great guy to work with.
It was great spending an evening at RV10 HQ and meeting the fellow builders there.
A great community! For anybody who missed it, I highly recommend it.
Jon Reining (building with my dad Bill)
40514 - wings
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Jon Reining wrote:
>
> The one thing that really made me go "Cool!" this year was Vertical Power. I
know they've been out for a couple months now, but seeing a live demo really
made me realize the value, and safety added, by the system. I think it will make
wiring much easier as well. Marc Ausman seemed like a great guy to work with.
>
>
>
I'll second that! My biggest complaint is that it is $7k. If it
were about $3k, I'd be all over that like a dog on a bone.
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
It's an awesome product for certain and I would have it in a heartbeat. But
as you and many others I have talked with have said, it's about 2-3k above CFO
approvals for the return. Now that doesn't seem like much to some but it is
to many when that couple of grand is the difference between having that or traffic,
or weather, or a second nav/comm., etc.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: How's things in Oz?
Jon Reining wrote:
>
> The one thing that really made me go "Cool!" this year was Vertical Power. I
know they've been out for a couple months now, but seeing a live demo really
made me realize the value, and safety added, by the system. I think it will make
wiring much easier as well. Marc Ausman seemed like a great guy to work with.
>
>
I'll second that! My biggest complaint is that it is $7k. If it
were about $3k, I'd be all over that like a dog on a bone.
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
John,
butter my butt and call me a biscuit...could you explain further your
comment " Lopresti's seminar on cowl design shows the James brothers are
truly from the south"
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072 Standard Build
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| Subject: | PCU5000X Caution |
I was hooking up my PCU5000X Prop Governor today and noticed the arm movement to go from flat pitch to coarse pitch is wrong. When I ordered the governor, I told them I was putting it on a IO-540 for a RV10. They sent me the part number that is listed on their website for an RV10., P-520-037/AL (http://pcu5000.com/pcu5000x.htm). After a conversation on the phone with Rick at Aero Technologies, the RV10 will need a different part number.
So, I have to send the incorrect prop gov back and they said they will send the
correct one. They correct one will have the prop control arm go from flat
pitch to coarse pitch in a counter clockwise motion.
Zack
--------
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RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
Maybe they drink lemonade on the porch when it's hot . . .
I don't see anything about a LoPresti Cowl on Lopresti's website. Is
this a new product for them? Cost?
Jeff Dalton
Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
John,
butter my butt and call me a biscuit...could you explain further your
comment " Lopresti's seminar on cowl design shows the James brothers are
truly from the south"
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072 Standard Build
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| Subject: | Jepp database pricing |
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| Subject: | re-sending Jepp database pricing |
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| Subject: | Jepp database subscription cost |
Regret the 3rd attempt, but does not appear my earlier sends got through.
The below is email traffic from Jepp's Scott Reagan today.
Suggest all of the list who own Chelton contact him also.
Interest seems to at least be heard.
Grumpy
N184JM
Scott,
Your reply gives me some hope for optimism!
I chose the Chelton Sport due to its capabilities and reliability of the
Chelton name. At the time of my purchase, my avionics supplier knew very little
of the future pricing strategy, but he felt it would be along the same lines as
the Garmin, so I went with the Chelton.
I sure hope you have some good news for us Chelton owners, especially the
RV-10 crowd (like me).
I look forward to seeing some good news soon!
Thanks - John
In a message dated 7/30/2007 10:23:54 AM Central Standard Time,
Scott.Reagan@jeppesen.com writes:
Mr. Miller,
My name is Scott Reagan. I am the Director of Jeppesen's Aviation Data
Services team for Business and General Aviation. A long title I know but know
this, I try very hard to disprove my own theory that long titles are normally
inversely proportional to one's true worth. I'll leave you to decide.
I first must say that, not knowing exactly with whom you spoke, I'm not
surprised you received a less than acceptable answer on this subject. The truth
is
only two people at the show for Jepp would have been able to adequately
address the issue and neither one was female. Not a judgement, just a fact that
no
one outside of my team really even knows about the Chelton situation yet.
The first person was myself. The second would have been Tim Howard. Tim
manages my Business Development team. It is his team that has been working with
Chelton.
With all that said, what I can tell you is that it is currently too early for
anyone to answer this question completely. I just do not have the answer
yet. What I will tell you is that I have always, since I was the product manager
for the services, priced services in such a way as to avoid being a
determining factor for a potential buyer of avionics. In other words, the services
for
like systems are priced similarly. In this way when customer evaluating
hardware can base the decision on the merits of the box and not on how much it
costs to keep it current.
One of the realities of being in the position Jeppesen is in is that we are
the database of record on nearly all boxes produced today. As such, I must
maintain a degree of neutrality in my pricing. I leave decisions on what data
is
in the box and how it is presented, for the most part, to the manufacturer.
I provide only what they request or present / display. After that we evaluate
data content and capabilities of the unit, categorize, and assign price.
If you look at the other services Jeppesen offers in support of GPS equipment
you will find this to be true, I hope. Unless something in the agreement we
sign with Chelton forces us to do otherwise it is our intention to continue
this approach.
Have I sufficiently not answered your questions by providing enough leading
information? Bottomline, it is too early to answer. Give us a couple months.
The transition is currently planned for end of year. Given all that you will
need to know we must have answers by the end of September and we will be
communicating details throughout the remaining portion of the year. I am
optimistic.
Until then, feel free to check in with us but we will be in contact with you
once we have something to pass along. I appreciate the email and the
interest. I can only attempt to leave you with the understanding that we are thinking
along the same lines and working to achieve the end results you desire.
Scott Reagan
Director, Aviation Data Services - BGA
Jeppesen
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
Lol....OK John, you may have to do a "feetfrommouthectomy" with that commen
t!! It wreaks of Southern Chop =C2-busting.
Rick S.
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <toaster73@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:58:56 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
John,
butter my butt and call me a biscuit...could you explain further your comme
nt " Lopresti=C2=92s seminar on cowl design shows the James brothers are tr
uly from the south"
Thanks
Chris Lucas
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| Subject: | Re: PCU5000X Caution |
Just to make sure, isn't the governor spring loaded to the low pitch position?
Deem's pointed out the possibility of having the direction reversed if you had
to rotate the arm more than 180 degrees to get it out in front like the plans
show. This what happened ZACK?
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:02:14 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: PCU5000X Caution
I was hooking up my PCU5000X Prop Governor today and noticed the arm movement to go from flat pitch to coarse pitch is wrong. When I ordered the governor, I told them I was putting it on a IO-540 for a RV10. They sent me the part number that is listed on their website for an RV10., P-520-037/AL (http://pcu5000.com/pcu5000x.htm). After a conversation on the phone with Rick at Aero Technologies, the RV10 will need a different part number.
So, I have to send the incorrect prop gov back and they said they will send the
correct one. They correct one will have the prop control arm go from flat
pitch to coarse pitch in a counter clockwise motion.
Zack
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RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
I'll bet I talked/heard from with 4-5 different people @ OSH that have
'plans' to make substitute cowls for RV-10's. Some obviously think
there's a market there, but I doubt it will support 4-5 vendors.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
jdalton77 wrote:
> Maybe they drink lemonade on the porch when it's hot . . .
> I don't see anything about a LoPresti Cowl on Lopresti's website. Is
> this a new product for them? Cost?
> Jeff Dalton
> Wings
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Chris <mailto:toaster73@earthlink.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 30, 2007 5:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
>
> John,
> butter my butt and call me a biscuit...could you explain further
> your comment " Loprestis seminar on cowl design shows the James
> brothers are truly from the south"
> Thanks
> Chris Lucas
> #40072 Standard Build
>
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| Subject: | Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons |
I match drilled the F-1046-R Longeron today onto the F-1005E-R gusset
(Section 29-9 Step #3) and don=92t like how close to the edge of the
longeron
the holes ended up. Edge distance is easily violated on my first
attempt so
the wife was kind enough to swing by Van=92s to pickup some extra AA6
0125
stock to remake the longeron (at least it=92s the shorter one right). I
have
been looking over this section of the plane very carefully trying to
avoid
having this same issue on the left side or again on the replacement
longeron.
The issue I am having is I don=92t see how the outside edge of the
longeron
can be flush against the skin and not violate the edge distance when
match
drilling to the gusset. I have uploaded some pictures since they
usually do
a better job explaining things than I can (click them to see larger
versions).
http://www.sinkrate.com/rv10/pics.asp?f=sec29
Pic #1 shows the poorly drilled longeron with the holes being too close
to
the edge
Pic #2 shows a scrap piece of =BE AA6 angle showing the position of the
longeron when I drilled it.
Pic #3 shows how the longeron should be positioned to provide adequate
edge
distance.
Pic #4 is a top down view of pic 3.
Pic #3 is a little aggressive in that I think I could position the
longeron
about half way between the skin and its current position and come out ok
but
that would still pull on the skin pretty hard when riveting to the
longeron.
I think if I clamped it more firmly and made sure that all 5 of the
holes
had the spacing showing on the forward most hole in picture #1 it would
be
acceptable but I thought I would send an email to see what others think.
Any thoughts, comments, advice on what others did on this step?
THX
-Ben Westfall
PDX
40579 ' Fuse Side Skins=85
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| Subject: | Re: PCU5000X Caution |
Rick,
You are correct about the gov being spring loaded to the flat pitch position.
This is what I have. However, my gov is spring loaded to the flat pitch position
opposite of what it should be to work on the Rv10 correctly.
Take a close look at the pictures below. Deem's plane has the correct gov.
My gov is opposite of his. My gov rotates clockwise to coarse pitch. It should
rotate CCW.
The arm is easy to reposition. All you do is loosen up the 6 screws and rotate
it to your desired position. However, it still needs to rotate CCW to work
on the RV10 correctly.
Zack
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RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | Re: PCU5000X Caution |
Sure enough...MY MT was OK from Van's only thing we had to do to it was roate the
arm then , hopefully not, adjust the RPM if needed. Just incase anyone missed
the narrow deck/wide deck gov. discussions on the model purchased from Van's.
BTW, I received Dave's(Rivethead) parts...Things of beauty, now I KNOW I have to
get my own lathe and mill...
Rick S.
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:36:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: PCU5000X Caution
Rick,
You are correct about the gov being spring loaded to the flat pitch position.
This is what I have. However, my gov is spring loaded to the flat pitch position
opposite of what it should be to work on the Rv10 correctly.
Take a close look at the pictures below. Deem's plane has the correct gov.
My gov is opposite of his. My gov rotates clockwise to coarse pitch. It should
rotate CCW.
The arm is easy to reposition. All you do is loosen up the 6 screws and rotate
it to your desired position. However, it still needs to rotate CCW to work
on the RV10 correctly.
Zack
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
John -
Yawner...?
You must have missed the Aeroshell Aerobatic Team's performances... 8-O
And John Mohr is downright inspiring.
('course, they're good friends...but...)
Ahhh...Round Engines !
neal
RV-7 N8ZG (cowling)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just
outside the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA -AM radio
1510.
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
It's=C2- amazing those Aeroshell planes run at all with some of the guys
they have working on them!!
Sorry Neal, couldn't help myself.
Rick S.
40185
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From: "Neal George" <n8zg@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:05:46 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
John -
Yawner...?
You must have missed the Aeroshell Aerobatic Team's performances... 8-O
And John Mohr is downright inspiring.
('course, they're=C2-good friends...but...)
Ahhh...Round Engines !
neal
RV-7 N8ZG (cowling)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz?
=C2- =C2- The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one con
sumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA
=93AM radio 1510.
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| Subject: | How's things in Oz? |
No sense apologizing for the truth...
neal
++++++++++++++++++++++
It's amazing those Aeroshell planes run at all with some of the guys they
have working on them!!
Sorry Neal, couldn't help myself.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons |
Ben
I just got back from Oshkosh and the first thing completed was bending
the same F-1046 longerons. Bending took longer then I expected to get
them right and I thought they looked great until the plans said "now cut
to length matching the pattern" that's when I noticed that they were
both exactly 1" short. Almost perfect just short. Ben maybe your wife
can pick-up a new set of F-1046's for me too. What could be the chances
for both of us needing the same replacement part at the same time and we
only live a couple miles from each other and about 14 miles from Van's.
Oshkosh was a blast. I enjoyed meeting many other builders, the BBQ's at
Michael's and RV camping area, hanging out at The Schmidt's beside their
beautiful airplane with Dr. Fred Williams, Tim Olsen and others. Special
thanks to John Cox for hosting an Oshkosh first timer, complete tour of
the grounds including seaplane base and, formation flying acrobatics in
a CJ warbird, a beautiful house in town for camping, and a final day
small group tour at Gulfstream in Appleton.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Westfall
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons
I match drilled the F-1046-R Longeron today onto the F-1005E-R gusset
(Section 29-9 Step #3) and don't like how close to the edge of the
longeron the holes ended up. Edge distance is easily violated on my
first attempt so the wife was kind enough to swing by Van's to pickup
some extra AA6 0125 stock to remake the longeron (at least it's the
shorter one right). I have been looking over this section of the plane
very carefully trying to avoid having this same issue on the left side
or again on the replacement longeron.
The issue I am having is I don't see how the outside edge of the
longeron can be flush against the skin and not violate the edge distance
when match drilling to the gusset. I have uploaded some pictures since
they usually do a better job explaining things than I can (click them to
see larger versions).
http://www.sinkrate.com/rv10/pics.asp?f=sec29
Pic #1 shows the poorly drilled longeron with the holes being too
close to the edge
Pic #2 shows a scrap piece of =BE AA6 angle showing the position of
the longeron when I drilled it.
Pic #3 shows how the longeron should be positioned to provide adequate
edge distance.
Pic #4 is a top down view of pic 3.
Pic #3 is a little aggressive in that I think I could position the
longeron about half way between the skin and its current position and
come out ok but that would still pull on the skin pretty hard when
riveting to the longeron.
I think if I clamped it more firmly and made sure that all 5 of the
holes had the spacing showing on the forward most hole in picture #1 it
would be acceptable but I thought I would send an email to see what
others think.
Any thoughts, comments, advice on what others did on this step?
THX
-Ben Westfall
PDX
40579 - Fuse Side Skins.
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| Subject: | Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons |
I cut, bent, and drilled all holes but the offending ones in the new
longeron tonight. I have clamped, measured, and clamped again then
measured
again several times. It looks like there is NO wiggle room at all in
getting the F-1046 longerons clamped in place with respect to edge
distance
and proper fit against the skin. I think I can drill the holes through
the
gusset this time w/o violating edge distance but builder beware when you
get
to this step be sure you spend lots of time clamping and measuring
before
drilling otherwise you get more practice at bending longerons=85.. :-)
Paul I am taking this week off from my paying job to spend some time
working
on the airplane so I might be able to get to Van=92s again to pickup
another
set of longerons for you. I actually have one extra 6=92 length cause I
bought two incase I messed up again. So at a minimum I=92ve got you
covered
for 50 percent assuming all goes well match drilling this time. Give me
a
call on Tuesday 503-639-4049.
Ben Westfall
Portland, OR
40579
FOR SALE: One pre-bent longeron already screwed up so you don=92t have
to :-)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons
Ben
I just got back from Oshkosh and the first thing completed was bending
the
same F-1046 longerons. Bending took longer then I expected to get them
right
and I thought they looked great until the plans said "now cut to length
matching the pattern" that's when I noticed that they were both exactly
1"
short. Almost perfect just short. Ben maybe your wife can pick-up a new
set
of F-1046's for me too. What could be the chances for both of us needing
the
same replacement part at the same time and we only live a couple miles
from
each other and about 14 miles from Van's.
Oshkosh was a blast. I enjoyed meeting many other builders, the BBQ's at
Michael's and RV camping area, hanging out at The Schmidt's beside their
beautiful airplane with Dr. Fred Williams, Tim Olsen and others. Special
thanks to John Cox for hosting an Oshkosh first timer, complete tour of
the
grounds including seaplane base and, formation flying acrobatics in a CJ
warbird, a beautiful house in town for camping, and a final day small
group
tour at Gulfstream in Appleton.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Westfall <mailto:rv10@sinkrate.com>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons
I match drilled the F-1046-R Longeron today onto the F-1005E-R gusset
(Section 29-9 Step #3) and don=92t like how close to the edge of the
longeron
the holes ended up. Edge distance is easily violated on my first
attempt so
the wife was kind enough to swing by Van=92s to pickup some extra AA6
0125
stock to remake the longeron (at least it=92s the shorter one right). I
have
been looking over this section of the plane very carefully trying to
avoid
having this same issue on the left side or again on the replacement
longeron.
The issue I am having is I don=92t see how the outside edge of the
longeron
can be flush against the skin and not violate the edge distance when
match
drilling to the gusset. I have uploaded some pictures since they
usually do
a better job explaining things than I can (click them to see larger
versions).
http://www.sinkrate.com/rv10/pics.asp?f=sec29
Pic #1 shows the poorly drilled longeron with the holes being too close
to
the edge
Pic #2 shows a scrap piece of =BE AA6 angle showing the position of the
longeron when I drilled it.
Pic #3 shows how the longeron should be positioned to provide adequate
edge
distance.
Pic #4 is a top down view of pic 3.
Pic #3 is a little aggressive in that I think I could position the
longeron
about half way between the skin and its current position and come out ok
but
that would still pull on the skin pretty hard when riveting to the
longeron.
I think if I clamped it more firmly and made sure that all 5 of the
holes
had the spacing showing on the forward most hole in picture #1 it would
be
acceptable but I thought I would send an email to see what others think.
Any thoughts, comments, advice on what others did on this step?
THX
-Ben Westfall
PDX
40579 ' Fuse Side Skins=85
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| Subject: | Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Questions
I saw this Zaon system at OSH coupled with a 496. Check it out at:
http://www.zaonflight.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_view/gid,5
/ The $75.00 patch cord opens a window in the corner of a Garmin 496
screen.
Is anyone using this system? How about other systems? What do you have
for traffic?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
These guys rock. They are the best. I bought the XRX last year and used it for
about 3 months in my C182S before selling the airplane.
The unit is the best deal in collision avoidance. It is an absolute no brainer
for safety. They have a great program. They offered to upgrade my software for
free if I just return the unit. After the upgrade - the unit will drive the GPSMap
496 with one wire. I am arranging to set the XRX up above the panel and
have it wired to the 496 in the panel.
They are also working on the new in panel unit with the exterior antenna and the
president (Jason Clemens) told me that they would exchange my unit ($1700 paid)
and give me FULL credit toward the new in panel unit (est price I believe
is about $3500). Is that an awesome offer or what?
Jason Clemens the CEO is very commited to the program as he had a friend who was
killed in a traffic pattern accident that he felt was avoidable. Nice people
to deal with and they are committed to bringing collision avoidance products
to the market at affordable prices. Nothing else in the market comes close.
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