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1. 07:49 AM - Re: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons (Vernon Smith)
2. 07:58 AM - Re: How's things in Oz? (marcausman)
3. 08:07 AM - Fw: Please don't goose me (John Gonzalez)
4. 08:10 AM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions (Scott Schmidt)
5. 08:30 AM - LoPresti Cowl (Robin Marks)
6. 08:34 AM - PCU5000X Caution (Albert Gardner)
7. 08:36 AM - What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and what ignition? (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
8. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: How's things in Oz? (Dj Merrill)
9. 08:43 AM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
10. 09:09 AM - Re: Fw: Please don't goose me (Indran Chelvanayagam)
11. 09:12 AM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Qu... (GRANSCOTT@AOL.COM)
12. 09:15 AM - Re: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons (Jae Chang)
13. 09:18 AM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 09:18 AM - Re: Fw: Please don't goose me (Max Hegler)
15. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
16. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: How's things in Oz? ()
17. 11:47 AM - Re: Fw: Please don't goose me (John Gonzalez)
18. 01:17 PM - Horizontal stab etc (Rick Leach)
19. 01:35 PM - AT LAST! The pile of bits is gone. (neil)
20. 01:52 PM - Horizontal stab (Fred Williams, M.D.)
21. 01:56 PM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions (William Curtis)
22. 02:08 PM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions (David McNeill)
23. 03:07 PM - Trade for F-1 Rocket or RV-8 (Ed Wischmeyer)
24. 04:04 PM - Re: What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and what ignition? (Mark Ritter)
25. 04:14 PM - Re: AT LAST! The pile of bits is gone. (Deems Davis)
26. 04:18 PM - Re: What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and what ignition? (Tim Olson)
27. 04:51 PM - For Sale: Blue Mountain Avionics EFIS/One w/ Dual Displays (Mike Kraus)
28. 05:07 PM - Re: AT LAST! The pile of bits is gone. (neil)
29. 05:13 PM - Re: How's things in Oz? (Jon Reining)
30. 10:05 PM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Qu... (Kelly McMullen)
31. 11:15 PM - Re: Horizontal stab etc (Jesse Saint)
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| Subject: | Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons |
I ran into the same problem and this is what I found. If you look at your p
icture #1 the aft hole has much less edge clearance than the front hole. By
twisting the F-1005-E inward slightly (counter clockwise on the left one)
it will improve the edge clearance on the aft hole. Next on picture #2 the
longeron is pushed up hard against the outer skin, to the point it is bowin
g the skin out at the top. Try moving the longeron in just a little as this
skin edge will blend into the fiberglass cabin top. Oh and yes there isn't
much play here.
Also, when you pick up new angle at Van's take a camera along and ask to ta
ke pictures of a quick build fuse if they have one in stock.
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage systems)
From: rv10@sinkrate.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Enoug
h OSH back to builder support - LongeronsDate: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:28:32 -0
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I match drilled the F-1046-R Longeron today onto the F-1005E-R gusset (Sect
ion 29-9 Step #3) and don=92t like how close to the edge of the longeron th
e holes ended up. Edge distance is easily violated on my first attempt so
the wife was kind enough to swing by Van=92s to pickup some extra AA6 0125
stock to remake the longeron (at least it=92s the shorter one right). I ha
ve been looking over this section of the plane very carefully trying to avo
id having this same issue on the left side or again on the replacement long
eron.
The issue I am having is I don=92t see how the outside edge of the longeron
can be flush against the skin and not violate the edge distance when match
drilling to the gusset. I have uploaded some pictures since they usually
do a better job explaining things than I can (click them to see larger vers
ions).
http://www.sinkrate.com/rv10/pics.asp?f=sec29
Pic #1 shows the poorly drilled longeron with the holes being too close to
the edge
Pic #2 shows a scrap piece of =BE AA6 angle showing the position of the lon
geron when I drilled it.
Pic #3 shows how the longeron should be positioned to provide adequate edge
distance.
Pic #4 is a top down view of pic 3.
Pic #3 is a little aggressive in that I think I could position the longeron
about half way between the skin and its current position and come out ok b
ut that would still pull on the skin pretty hard when riveting to the longe
ron.
I think if I clamped it more firmly and made sure that all 5 of the holes h
ad the spacing showing on the forward most hole in picture #1 it would be a
cceptable but I thought I would send an email to see what others think.
Any thoughts, comments, advice on what others did on this step?
THX
-Ben Westfall
PDX
40579 ' Fuse Side Skins=85
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
Michael and other RV builders -
If you are interested in the product, and price is the last deciding factor, I
encourage you to do an analysis of the savings that come from the product. First,
there are many things you don't have to buy like breakers, switches, dimmers,
wig mag modules, flap control modules, trim relays controls, trim-flap modules,
over-voltage and undervoltage protection modules, annunciator panels, etc.
These add up to a few thousand dollars.
If you're having your panel built by one of our dealers like Stein or Aerotronics,
you can save some more money on labor, as the panel is much simpler and labor
charges will be lower.
The net cost of the system is not that much more than a traditional system in many
cases. And you'll save a bunch of time in the wiring phase, which the CFO
will approve of. All food for thought. :D
On a separate note, the team has been working very hard over the last year and
so Vertical Power will be closed the rest of this week and back next Wed (Aug
8th).
Glad to have met you at the BBQ, and hope you can now get things going again and
the plane finished relatively soon!
Marc
rvbuilder(at)sausen.net wrote:
> It's an awesome product for certain and I would have it in a heartbeat. But
as you and many others I have talked with have said, it's about 2-3k above CFO
approvals for the return. Now that doesn't seem like much to some but it is
to many when that couple of grand is the difference between having that or traffic,
or weather, or a second nav/comm., etc.
>
> Michael
>
> --
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http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126588#126588
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| Subject: | Fw: Please don't goose me |
A reason to stop staring at your instruments in the panel and actually fly
the plane...at least when there a a flock of geese around. A single goose on
the other hand is a different story.
JOhn
>From: "BOB LURIE" <rdlurie@pacbell.net>
>To: "jen/john" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:25:57 -0700
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: BOB LURIE
>To: Chuck Keezer
>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:29 PM
>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mike
>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:26 PM
>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
>
>
> Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, getting "goosed."
>
> Amazing what a goose can do!
>
> Meeting a goose at 185 knots can ruin your day. The pilot was
>injured but was able to land the aircraft (Beech Baron) safely.
>
>
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>See what's free at AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Questions
I like that. As soon as they come out with a panel mount version I will ma
ke a purchase. Did they give you any indication of if and when they were g
oing to do that? =0AI have the older Trafficscope right now and it was sure
nice flying out with it. There were 3 times we had traffic very close and
sure enough, a plane (going to Oshkosh) would be close. That is one thing
very nice about the RV-10. You can almost see 360 degrees around the plane
looking for traffic. =0A =0AADS-B would be the only thing that would keep
me from upgrading but I think they are still a few years away from making
that a widespread system. Does anyone know what type of equipment will be
needed for it? I know there were some forums on it but for the first time
in many years I didn't make it to one forum. Maybe someone who attended on
e of the forums can give us an update. I know MIT is doing some work on it
and they are looking for a private company to continue development and mai
ntenance of it. =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com =0A=0A=0A
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Paul Grimstad <bldgrv10450@comcast.n
et>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36:31 PM
=0ASubject: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance
System Questions=0A=0A=0AI saw this Zaon system at OSH coupled with a 496.
Check it out at: http://www.zaonflight.com/component/option,com_docman/tas
k,doc_view/gid,5/ The $75.00 patch cord opens a window in the corner of a
Garmin 496 screen. =0A =0AIs anyone using this system? How about other syst
ems? What do you have for traffic?=0A =0APaul Grimstad=0ARV10 40450=0APortl
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I called LoPresti this morning to ask about a cowl for an RV-10. His
response was that he had heard the same story but that he is not
designing an RV-10 cowl at this time. His exact quote was that "it would
not take me long to make one." Hummmmm. I am sticking with the James
Cowl & Plenum. They are almost available now and there will soon be
several flying copies. Plus based on other LoPresti speed mods,
especially the certified ones, their pricing is MUCH higher than James.
Cherokee 6 Fixed Gear Cowling: $19,995. (yes STC included, I understand)
but one still has to install.
Robin
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| Subject: | PCU5000X Caution |
I missed the wide deck/narrow deck discussion but Zack's msg made me
concerned about my PCU5000. I called John at Aero Technologies for
clarification (800-323-4130). Here is what he told me.
Narrow deck engines require the .895 to 1 ratio, wide deck the .947 to 1.
The governor arm can be repositioned by loosening the 6 screws and rotating
the head but direction of rotation is done at the factory. Direction of
rotation depends on whether you attach the cable from below or above the
governor. The center shaft moves out away from the body of the PCU going to
coarse pitch.
John said if you have a PCU5000 with the incorrect ratio, one full turn on
the fine pitch stop will correct the rpm. 1 turn out will increase rpm, 1
turn in will decrease it.
So it turns out even if I have the wrong ratio, I don't need to return the
unit.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
N991RV painting.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: PCU5000X Caution
Sure enough...MY MT was OK from Van's only thing we had to do to it was
rotate the arm then , hopefully not, adjust the RPM if needed. Just incase
anyone missed the narrow deck/wide deck gov. discussions on the model
purchased from Van's.
Rick S.
40185
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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:36:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: PCU5000X Caution
Rick,
You are correct about the gov being spring loaded to the flat pitch
position. This is what I have. However, my gov is spring loaded to the
flat pitch position opposite of what it should be to work on the Rv10
correctly.
Take a close look at the pictures below. Deem's plane has the correct
gov. My gov is opposite of his. My gov rotates clockwise to coarse pitch.
It should rotate CCW.
The arm is easy to reposition. All you do is loosen up the 6 screws and
rotate it to your desired position. However, it still needs to rotate CCW
to work on the RV10 correctly.
Zack
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RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and what ignition? |
I now have almost 300 hours on my RV-10 and it was time to
look into maybe a better plug to use for the bottom set. I talked to
Unison at Osh and they had thought the Unison UREM37BY would be a good
fit since it had the extended electrode for the bottom plugs. I then
looked at an Service Instruction publication
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-instructions
/pdfs/SI1042Y.pdf on Lycoming web site for Approved Spark Plugs and they
did not list the 37BY as an approved plug. So now I have ordered the
Unison UREM38S which are the uridium fine wire plugs at $44 each. They
by the way were listed as approved plugs. Currently I have UREM38E on
both top and bottom with Slick Mags on both sides, this is how it came
from America's Aircraft Engines.
Anyway I will try the new iridium plugs on the bottom and
see how they perform. Does anyone have any idea on how long the dirrent
plugs should last in our RV-10's?
On a different note, I have also destroyed one EGT probe
that came from Dynon. I have 6 EGT probes and my #2 cylinder was
telling me it was > 1550 when the others were around 1400 while running
LOP. I knew something was not right so I swapped the EGT probes in the
#2 and #4 cylinders and went flying. Guess what, now the #4 cylinder
was hotter than the rest by 150 degrees. So now I know that the EGT is
faulty. Both probes look the same and I was wondering if cleaning them
somehow will help. I posted a message on Dynon's board and then thought
that getting 200 - 300 hours on an EGT probe while running LOP was about
right. They said they have always thought of EGT probes as consumables.
First off, I would think that running LOP would be easier on the probe
since the EGT are down because of reduced power. Can anyone share there
experiences on EGT probes and there expected life?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV (Hobbs 292)
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
marcausman wrote:
> The net cost of the system is not that much more than a traditional system in
many cases. And you'll save a bunch of time in the wiring phase, which the CFO
will approve of. All food for thought. :D
Hi Marc,
I'm curious how you arrived at that conclusion. My estimate is that
the Vertical Power system (the glass panel version) would be somewhere
over 3x the cost of the traditional system I had been thinking about
installing. Do you have a detailed cost breakout of everything that
your system replaces versus a traditional system?
Thanks,
-Dj
--
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Questions
I talked to them as well and they showed me the prototype of
the panel mounted unit. It was a black box mounted behind the panel.
The thing I didn't like about it was the number of coax connections it
had. There were 8 coax connections. Unlike the dash mount which has
the four quadrant antennas built into it, the black box version had one
antenna connection per quadrant on the belly of the plane and another
connection per quadrant on the top of the plane. This is a crazy amount
of antenna coax. I had asked if they can't make a unit that has the 4
antennas in one housing and some brains and then use a digital interface
to the display head. This way, worst case you would have one antenna
and cable on the top and bottom side of your plane. I guess we will
have to wait and see.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision
Avoidance System Questions
I like that. As soon as they come out with a panel mount version I will
make a purchase. Did they give you any indication of if and when they
were going to do that?
I have the older Trafficscope right now and it was sure nice flying out
with it. There were 3 times we had traffic very close and sure enough,
a plane (going to Oshkosh) would be close. That is one thing very nice
about the RV-10. You can almost see 360 degrees around the plane looking
for traffic.
ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I
think they are still a few years away from making that a widespread
system. Does anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it?
I know there were some forums on it but for the first time in many years
I didn't make it to one forum. Maybe someone who attended one of the
forums can give us an update. I know MIT is doing some work on it and
they are looking for a private company to continue development and
maintenance of it.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Grimstad <bldgrv10450@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance
System Questions
I saw this Zaon system at OSH coupled with a 496. Check it out at:
http://www.zaonflight.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_view/gid,5
/ The $75.00 patch cord opens a window in the corner of a Garmin 496
screen.
Is anyone using this system? How about other systems? What do you have
for traffic?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Please don't goose me |
Unless the code name for a Cessna 180 is a goose the cause for the
damage in the photos was a mid-air collision with an aircraft. See
Avweb newswire March 21, 2004 for the story :
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/213-full.html#186939
(halfway down the page)
Definitely another reason for traffic avoidance systems
Indran
#40228 - looks like an aeroplane but isn't one yet.
On 31/07/2007, at 10:57 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> A reason to stop staring at your instruments in the panel and
> actually fly the plane...at least when there a a flock of geese
> around. A single goose on the other hand is a different story.
>>
>> Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, getting "goosed."
>>
>> Amazing what a goose can do!
>>
>> Meeting a goose at 185 knots can ruin your day. The pilot
>> was injured but was able to land the aircraft (Beech Baron) safely.
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Qu...
In a message dated 7/31/2007 11:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com writes:
ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think
they are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Does
anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it?
Scott,
My memory may be faulty but I seem to remember someone from the FAA saying
that they estimated the cost of equipment to be in the $20-30k area for each
plane. Is anyone on line from Alaska as the Capstone system is being integrated?
P
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| Subject: | Re: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons |
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/fusekit/photos/sec29/IMG_4645.html
This was my result. i just did this a few days ago. This part, and this
entire section has been very tricky. I just clamped and twisted until i
had at least a parallel line of holes with the edge, and barely
maintained edge distance. however, even though everything was clamped,
the end result still produced a small gap (1 or 2 32nds) between the
longeron and skin for some reason. if the skin were perfectly flushed,
then i don't think edge distance would have been maintained by that gap.
i too would be curious to see photos of quickbuilds in this area.
drilling all those weldments was a lot of work too!
Jae
40533
getting beat up by the fuse side skins
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| Subject: | Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Questions
Scott,
I spent a little time talking with them and they are working on a remote
mount system with dual antennas and built in expansion for an ADS-B module.
I believe that product is going to be around $4500. You can also remote
mount the XRX unit and tie it into your Garmin or anything else they output
to. When it's tied into one of the other systems it essentially is a remo
te unit and doesn't display anything on its internal screen other than the
data type output.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidanc
e System Questions
I like that. As soon as they come out with a panel mount version I will ma
ke a purchase. Did they give you any indication of if and when they were g
oing to do that?
I have the older Trafficscope right now and it was sure nice flying out wit
h it. There were 3 times we had traffic very close and sure enough, a plan
e (going to Oshkosh) would be close. That is one thing very nice about the
RV-10. You can almost see 360 degrees around the plane looking for traffic
.
ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think
they are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Doe
s anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it? I know there w
ere some forums on it but for the first time in many years I didn't make it
to one forum. Maybe someone who attended one of the forums can give us an
update. I know MIT is doing some work on it and they are looking for a pr
ivate company to continue development and maintenance of it.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Grimstad <bldgrv10450@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance Sy
stem Questions
I saw this Zaon system at OSH coupled with a 496. Check it out at: http://w
ww.zaonflight.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_view/gid,5/ The $75
.00 patch cord opens a window in the corner of a Garmin 496 screen.
Is anyone using this system? How about other systems? What do you have for
traffic?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Please don't goose me |
John,
That was not a goose, but the main gear from a Cessna 182. The midair
occurred north of Palmdale, CA. The Cessna crashed and the Baron pilot was
lucky to get it on the ground.
Geese are still dangerous, but did not cause this damage.
Take Care,
Max
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:57 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fw: Please don't goose me
>A reason to stop staring at your instruments in the panel and actually fly
> the plane...at least when there a a flock of geese around. A single goose
> on
> the other hand is a different story.
>
> JOhn
>
>
>>From: "BOB LURIE" <rdlurie@pacbell.net>
>>To: "jen/john" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
>>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:25:57 -0700
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: BOB LURIE
>>To: Chuck Keezer
>>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:29 PM
>>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Mike
>>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:26 PM
>>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, getting "goosed."
>>
>> Amazing what a goose can do!
>>
>> Meeting a goose at 185 knots can ruin your day. The pilot was
>>injured but was able to land the aircraft (Beech Baron) safely.
>>
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>>See what's free at AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance |
System
Hi Mike,
It sounds like you are moving right along with your RV 10. We sold ours and bought
a Cirrus. So we will be going to Oshkosh next year. Otherwise, we are not
sure we would have made it!. Good luck with yours.
Brian and Ruth
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
>
> These guys rock. They are the best. I bought the XRX last year and used it for
> about 3 months in my C182S before selling the airplane.
>
> The unit is the best deal in collision avoidance. It is an absolute no brainer
> for safety. They have a great program. They offered to upgrade my software for
> free if I just return the unit. After the upgrade - the unit will drive the
> GPSMap 496 with one wire. I am arranging to set the XRX up above the panel and
> have it wired to the 496 in the panel.
>
> They are also working on the new in panel unit with the exterior antenna and
the
> president (Jason Clemens) told me that they would exchange my unit ($1700 paid)
> and give me FULL credit toward the new in panel unit (est price I believe is
> about $3500). Is that an awesome offer or what?
>
> Jason Clemens the CEO is very commited to the program as he had a friend who
was
> killed in a traffic pattern accident that he felt was avoidable. Nice people
to
> deal with and they are committed to bringing collision avoidance products to
the
> market at affordable prices. Nothing else in the market comes close.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126543#126543
>
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<DIV>Hi Mike,</DIV>
<DIV> It sounds like you are moving right along with your RV 10. We sold ours
and bought a Cirrus. So we will be going to Oshkosh next year. Otherwise,
we are not sure we would have made it!. Good luck with yours.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brian and Ruth</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
<BR><BR>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"
<MIKEABEL@PACBELL.NET><BR>> <BR>> These guys rock. They are the
best. I bought the XRX last year and used it for <BR>> about 3 months in my
C182S before selling the airplane. <BR>> <BR>> The unit is the best deal
in collision avoidance. It is an absolute no brainer <BR>> for safety. They
have a great program. They offered to upgrade my software for <BR>> free
if I just return the unit. After the upgrade - the unit will drive the <BR>>
GPSMap 496 with one wire. I am arranging to set the XRX up above the panel
and <BR>> have it wired to the 496 in the panel. <BR>> <BR>> They are
also working on the new in panel unit with the exterior antenna and the <BR>>
president (Jason Clemens) told me that they would
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
Marc,
I too have some of the same concerns as Michael. I think you have a great product,
but my gut is telling me that I can use traditional technology at a much
less expensive price point (2x-3x savings).
I suspect that Michael and I aren't the only ones thinking this at the moment.
So here's my request:
Develop a white paper of exactly was is the cost comparison would be using traditional
technology versus your product. If the cost is as close as you indicate,
then the white paper should help convince us with tight budgets to take the
plunge.
I did enjoy meeting and talking with your team at Michael's last week. I think
you have a great product, I just can't afford it at the moment.
bob
>
> From: "marcausman" <marc@verticalpower.com>
> Date: 2007/07/31 Tue AM 09:56:34 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: How's things in Oz?
>
>
> Michael and other RV builders -
>
> If you are interested in the product, and price is the last deciding factor,
I encourage you to do an analysis of the savings that come from the product. First,
there are many things you don't have to buy like breakers, switches, dimmers,
wig mag modules, flap control modules, trim relays controls, trim-flap modules,
over-voltage and undervoltage protection modules, annunciator panels,
etc. These add up to a few thousand dollars.
>
> If you're having your panel built by one of our dealers like Stein or Aerotronics,
you can save some more money on labor, as the panel is much simpler and
labor charges will be lower.
>
> The net cost of the system is not that much more than a traditional system in
many cases. And you'll save a bunch of time in the wiring phase, which the CFO
will approve of. All food for thought. :D
>
> On a separate note, the team has been working very hard over the last year and
so Vertical Power will be closed the rest of this week and back next Wed (Aug
8th).
>
> Glad to have met you at the BBQ, and hope you can now get things going again
and the plane finished relatively soon!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> rvbuilder(at)sausen.net wrote:
> > It's an awesome product for certain and I would have it in a heartbeat. But
as you and many others I have talked with have said, it's about 2-3k above CFO
approvals for the return. Now that doesn't seem like much to some but it is
to many when that couple of grand is the difference between having that or traffic,
or weather, or a second nav/comm., etc.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --
>
>
> --------
> Marc Ausman
> http://www.verticalpower.com
> RV-7 IO-390 Flying
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126588#126588
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Please don't goose me |
Thanks guys for the correction, I will forward that information to the
people who emailed it to me.
Notice that my email was a Forward. Unfortunely the blood on the seats,
didn't belong to a bird.
I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, I GOT GOOSED.
>From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler@msn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: Please don't goose me
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:16:10 -0500
>
>
>John,
>That was not a goose, but the main gear from a Cessna 182. The midair
>occurred north of Palmdale, CA. The Cessna crashed and the Baron pilot was
>lucky to get it on the ground.
>Geese are still dangerous, but did not cause this damage.
>
>Take Care,
>Max
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:57 AM
>Subject: RV10-List: Fw: Please don't goose me
>
>
>>A reason to stop staring at your instruments in the panel and actually fly
>>the plane...at least when there a a flock of geese around. A single goose
>>on
>>the other hand is a different story.
>>
>>JOhn
>>
>>
>>>From: "BOB LURIE" <rdlurie@pacbell.net>
>>>To: "jen/john" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
>>>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:25:57 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: BOB LURIE
>>>To: Chuck Keezer
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:29 PM
>>>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Mike
>>>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:26 PM
>>>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, getting "goosed."
>>>
>>> Amazing what a goose can do!
>>>
>>> Meeting a goose at 185 knots can ruin your day. The pilot was
>>>injured but was able to land the aircraft (Beech Baron) safely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>See what's free at AOL.com.
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Horizontal stab etc |
For those that have already been past this intersection, would you suggest
attaching the horizontal stab, vertical stab, and rudder assemblies prior to
attaching to the fus. Seems to me that you could save some time by
installing and rigging those items after attaching to the fus. Particularly
since you have to disassemble those items to get the fairing on.
Comments.
Rick Leach
40397
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| Subject: | AT LAST! The pile of bits is gone. |
We have got one more days finishing up to do on our RV10, then it's off
to the paint shop.
For those interested it has basically taken two of us, full time, from
March through to now.
Included in that time was about a month of doing our own panel & tunnel
& associated extra work.
Also a fair bit of messing around with the James cowl & plenum / BPE
cold air setup. It's all on, & fits nicely. We should know in a month
how well it works.
We have done all our own wiring.
Next time, I'd definitely get Stein to do the panel. (& thanks for
sorting out the Chelton / D2A mess)
We used EXACTLY 8 litres of primer.
Best money spent - Tungsten bucking bar from Stein
Best money saved - No mis-dimpled holes - no pneumatic squeezer! but we
killed 3 hand squeezer internals!
Cheapest useful tool - homemade holefinder.
Abby's interior was great.
No parts missing from kit - just a few bolts & nutplates short -
probably because we used them on our changes.
Most used websites for help - Tim & Deems. Both have been v helpful in
private emails.
Most fun part - riveting.
Worst part - filling pinholes.
Neil & Sarah - with help from Mike, and quality control by Robin.
ZK-RVT - first of type in New Zealand.
kit no 40593.
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Rick :
I'm still working on the fuse. I did assemble everything with regular
nuts just to make sure everything fit. Yes, it will have to go on and
off a couple times before the final fit. When I finally put it together
for the last time, I'll use the locknuts and put the correct torque on
them. Also, when you do put the horizontal stablizer on, make sure you
have left some wire or string to pull the cables through. As I
remember, it was about 1 1/2 hrs to get them to come through.
Dr Fred.
40515
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Questions
The so called "panel mount" Zaon unit will still be technically a "portable" system
in that the unit can be placed "under the seat" and the antennas can be placed
outside or on the dash. Antennas do not require any special approval (other
than logbook) for installation, even if it is attached to a "portable device."
Being a "portable" device, approvals will not be required and thus cost
can remain low. I thought they said that this new "portable" system would be
only a few (2) hundred more than the current system. It will not have it's own
display however. It is designed to be connected to another display such as
the 496/430/etc.
As for ADS-B, know then that the FAA has announced two mediums for ADS-B support
in the US. They are 1090 MHz ES and UAT at 978 MHz. Initially it was thought
that air carriers would utilize 1090 MHz ES (since they all already have Mode
S) and GA would utilize UAT. UAT is thought to be cheaper and provide greater
data transfer rates but from Garmin's announcement below, 1090MHz ES may become
the de facto standard even for GA.
Garmin has announced support for 1090 MHz ES frequency support on forthcoming GTX-330 transponders. They will be available at the end of 4Q '07. http://www8.garmin.com/pressroom/aviation/072407.html
With the updated 1090 MHz ES transponder, you will have the capability to send
and receive ADS-B messages, but you will still need an additional box to process
the send/receive data. As far as I know, no such box currently exist.
The Garmin GDL 90 (https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID 1&pID=6436) supports
UAT but may be overkill for most as it includes a built in WAAS GPS receiver.
Hopefully once the Garmin 1090 ES GTX-330 transponder is available, someone
will come out with an inexpensive box that would interface with your existing
GPS navigator and the 1090 MHz ES GTX-330 transponder to provide ADS-B functionality.
I know, clear as mud but hopefully by this time next year it really will be clear
as products begin to appear.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> I like that. As soon as they come out with a panel mount version I will make
a purchase. Did they give you any indication of if and when they were going
to do that?
I have the older Trafficscope right now and it was sure nice flying out with it.
There were 3 times we had traffic very close and sure enough, a plane (going
to Oshkosh) would be close. That is one thing very nice about the RV-10. You
can almost see 360 degrees around the plane looking for traffic.
ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think they
are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Does anyone
know what type of equipment will be needed for it? I know there were some forums
on it but for the first time in many years I didn't make it to one forum.
Maybe someone who attended one of the forums can give us an update. I know
MIT is doing some work on it and they are looking for a private company to continue
development and maintenance of it.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Grimstad <bldgrv10450@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Questions
I saw this Zaon system at OSH coupled with a 496. Check it out at: http://www.zaonflight.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_view/gid,5/ The $75.00 patch cord opens a window in the corner of a Garmin 496 screen.
Is anyone using this system? How about other systems? What do you have for traffic?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portl======
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| Subject: | Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Questions
I talked with the GRT people and they are going to display the output of the
XRX on their EFIS.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance
System Questions
Scott,
I spent a little time talking with them and they are working on a remote
mount system with dual antennas and built in expansion for an ADS-B module.
I believe that product is going to be around $4500. You can also remote
mount the XRX unit and tie it into your Garmin or anything else they output
to. When it's tied into one of the other systems it essentially is a remote
unit and doesn't display anything on its internal screen other than the data
type output.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance
System Questions
I like that. As soon as they come out with a panel mount version I will
make a purchase. Did they give you any indication of if and when they were
going to do that?
I have the older Trafficscope right now and it was sure nice flying out with
it. There were 3 times we had traffic very close and sure enough, a plane
(going to Oshkosh) would be close. That is one thing very nice about the
RV-10. You can almost see 360 degrees around the plane looking for traffic.
ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think
they are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Does
anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it? I know there were
some forums on it but for the first time in many years I didn't make it to
one forum. Maybe someone who attended one of the forums can give us an
update. I know MIT is doing some work on it and they are looking for a
private company to continue development and maintenance of it.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Grimstad <bldgrv10450@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance
System Questions
I saw this Zaon system at OSH coupled with a 496. Check it out at:
http://www.zaonflight.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_view/gid,5/
The $75.00 patch cord opens a window in the corner of a Garmin 496 screen.
Is anyone using this system? How about other systems? What do you have for
traffic?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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rel=nofollow>http://forums==================
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Trade for F-1 Rocket or RV-8 |
Folks -
Change of circumstances mean that a pristine straight-tail Cessna
(www.greatusermanuals.com/c175) and an AirCam (912S engines, basic
panel and avionics, 200 SNEW, $78,000) are looking for good homes.
Both aircraft are in Prescott, Arizona, but I'm moving in a few weeks
and would like to find them new homes promptly.
As for me, I'll be looking to rejoin the yank and bank crowd with an
F-1 Rocket, preferably the Evo wing, or maybe an RV-8 with a constant
speed prop. I'm not looking for an over-equipped, pricey aircraft,
but something that's properly and skillfully built -- pride of
ownership, as they say in real estate. Other possibilities are a
flying aircraft but without the fancy panel and super-tuned engine
(could reduce your liability), or a kit that's well along.
I'm moving to Cedar Rapids, IA, to work at RockwellCollins. They've
got hundreds of openings for engineers, but if you know of somebody
who's interested, please let me know before they apply so that I can
get credit$.
thanks
Ed Wischmeyer
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| Subject: | What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and what |
ignition?
I ordered the UREM38S plugs from Skygeek about three weeks ago. First they
told me they would ship 7/15 and now I'm being told it will be the end of
July - maybe. Anyway I cleaned the bottom plugs (Lightspeed on top) and
completed the annual. If and when they come in I'll install at next oil
change.
Mark
N410MR
>From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and
>what ignition?
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:33:58 -0500
>
> I now have almost 300 hours on my RV-10 and it was time to
>look into maybe a better plug to use for the bottom set. I talked to
>Unison at Osh and they had thought the Unison UREM37BY would be a good fit
>since it had the extended electrode for the bottom plugs. I then looked at
>an Service Instruction publication
>http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-instructions/pdfs/SI1042Y.pdf
>on Lycoming web site for Approved Spark Plugs and they did not list the
>37BY as an approved plug. So now I have ordered the Unison UREM38S which
>are the uridium fine wire plugs at $44 each. They by the way were listed
>as approved plugs. Currently I have UREM38E on both top and bottom with
>Slick Mags on both sides, this is how it came from America's Aircraft
>Engines.
>
> Anyway I will try the new iridium plugs on the bottom and see
>how they perform. Does anyone have any idea on how long the dirrent plugs
>should last in our RV-10's?
>
>
> On a different note, I have also destroyed one EGT probe that
>came from Dynon. I have 6 EGT probes and my #2 cylinder was telling me it
>was > 1550 when the others were around 1400 while running LOP. I knew
>something was not right so I swapped the EGT probes in the #2 and #4
>cylinders and went flying. Guess what, now the #4 cylinder was hotter than
>the rest by 150 degrees. So now I know that the EGT is faulty. Both
>probes look the same and I was wondering if cleaning them somehow will
>help. I posted a message on Dynon's board and then thought that getting
>200 - 300 hours on an EGT probe while running LOP was about right. They
>said they have always thought of EGT probes as consumables. First off, I
>would think that running LOP would be easier on the probe since the EGT are
>down because of reduced power. Can anyone share there experiences on EGT
>probes and there expected life?
>
>
>Thank You
>Ray Doerr
>40250
>
>N519RV (Hobbs 292)
>
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| Subject: | Re: AT LAST! The pile of bits is gone. |
Neil, Congrats! Nice job! and in record time. I'm amazed at what you've
done. so when are you planning the trans pacific crossing?
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and what |
ignition?
I can't believe they're going to make you wait a whole YEAR to get
your plugs!! ;) (Tomorrow's August)
I'm running the UREM38S and they're working out well. Should last
to TBO from what I gather. Now, hopefully TBO ends up being
North of 2000. Over 10% used already. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Mark Ritter wrote:
>
> I ordered the UREM38S plugs from Skygeek about three weeks ago. First
> they told me they would ship 7/15 and now I'm being told it will be the
> end of July - maybe. Anyway I cleaned the bottom plugs (Lightspeed on
> top) and completed the annual. If and when they come in I'll install at
> next oil change.
>
> Mark
> N410MR
>
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| Subject: | For Sale: Blue Mountain Avionics EFIS/One w/ Dual Displays |
I have decided to sell my blue mountain avionics EFIS/One G3 and upgrade
to a G4 version. This unit has never been installed or flown in an
airplane. It was one of their demo units for a trade show and offered
to me at a small discount when I purchased it in January 2006. I have
been playing with it on the bench quite a few times and it works
perfectly. I can power up the unit and send detailed pictures to anyone
seriously interested in purchasing this unit.
Details:
* Generation 3 gold box
* Connections from the box have been rotated (by blue mountain avionics)
for rear exit for easier installation in most aircraft
* Dual Screens for pilot and co-pilot
* Magnetometer
* Programming Keyboard
* Analog 3 Card for 16 additional sensors (allows engine monitor
functions for 6 or more cylinders)
* One year Nav Data updates
* All documentation, wiring, GPS antenna, etc that came from the factory
I can deliver this unit in a reasonable flying distance from SE
Michigan.
Cost New in 2006:
EFIS/One $14,975
Dual Display $ 1,895
Analog 3 card $ 795
Nav Data 1 year $ 395
Total New in 1996 = $18,060
Asking price is $9,995
If you like the blue mountain avionics products, you won't be
disappointed. This is a great opportunity to get a nice system for
almost half price!
Please e-mail or call with questions.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
517-414-4070
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| Subject: | Re: AT LAST! The pile of bits is gone. |
Thanks Deems
Hopefully we'll see you all at Osh next year - assuming it all goes
well with the long range tests.
Neil
On 1 Aug 2007, at 11:13, Deems Davis wrote:
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> Neil, Congrats! Nice job! and in record time. I'm amazed at what
> you've done. so when are you planning the trans pacific crossing?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: How's things in Oz? |
I was chatting with Stein about his favorite pair of strippers (wire strippers
for all those thinking dirty thoughts - his answer was Ideal Strip Masters, by
the way) and saw the Vertical Power sign behind him. I asked him what he thought
and he said by the time you installed the VP system, left out the breakers,
and time saved by his guys wiring the panel, it came real close to paying for
itself.
No affiliation with Marc, in fact he made me pay for the T-Shirt, but when we buy
our system from him I'm going to ask for my $10 back.
Jon Reining (with my dad Bill - who for the record asked Stein about his favorite
stripper, not me)
40514
please do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Qu...
Patrick, I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought
ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott ATC
equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link transponder
and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course they
were buying several hundred units.
On 7/31/07, GRANSCOTT@aol.com <GRANSCOTT@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 7/31/2007 11:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com writes:
> ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think
> they are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Does
> anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it?
> Scott,
>
> My memory may be faulty but I seem to remember someone from the FAA saying
> that they estimated the cost of equipment to be in the $20-30k area for each
> plane. Is anyone on line from Alaska as the Capstone system is being
> integrated?
>
> P
>
>
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| Subject: | Horizontal stab etc |
You can save some time by waiting, but if you are in a space-limited area,
then it might not be a bad idea to get them installed and rigged prior to
attaching the cone to the fuse. I personally prefer installing the aft
elevator control rod after I have all of the other rods installed in the
tunnel. That way you only install it once. You will, however, want to fit
the intersection fairing when you first install the emp parts to avoid
having to remove them more than once.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Leach
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Horizontal stab etc
For those that have already been past this intersection, would you suggest
attaching the horizontal stab, vertical stab, and rudder assemblies prior to
attaching to the fus. Seems to me that you could save some time by
installing and rigging those items after attaching to the fus. Particularly
since you have to disassemble those items to get the fairing on.
Comments.
Rick Leach
40397
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