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1. 05:42 AM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Qu... (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Qu... (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
3. 06:04 AM - Re: billet aircraft handles (Rick Sked)
4. 06:33 AM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Qu... (Tim Olson)
5. 06:35 AM - Re: billet aircraft handles (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
6. 06:55 AM - high oil temp (Rob Kermanj)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: high oil temp (Tom Deutsch)
8. 07:30 AM - Re: high oil temp (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
9. 07:44 AM - Re: high oil temp (Tim Olson)
10. 08:01 AM - Re: high oil temp (pilotdds@aol.com)
11. 08:02 AM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Qu... (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
12. 08:04 AM - TT Pitch Servo Install Directions (Jay Brinkmeyer)
13. 08:53 AM - Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions (LarryRosen)
14. 09:01 AM - Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Qu... (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
15. 09:27 AM - Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions (Fred Williams, M.D.)
16. 09:37 AM - Re: high oil temp (Scott Schmidt)
17. 11:00 AM - Re: high oil temp (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
18. 12:03 PM - Re: high oil temp (Rob Kermanj)
19. 12:04 PM - Re: high oil temp (Rob Kermanj)
20. 12:09 PM - Re: high oil temp (Rob Kermanj)
21. 12:13 PM - Re: high oil temp (Rob Kermanj)
22. 12:19 PM - Re: high oil temp (Rob Kermanj)
23. 01:15 PM - Re: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System (John Testement)
24. 01:21 PM - Re: high oil temp (pilotdds@aol.com)
25. 01:34 PM - Re: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System (Tim Olson)
26. 02:39 PM - Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions (jayb)
27. 03:31 PM - Re: high oil temp (ddddsp1@juno.com)
28. 04:03 PM - Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions (Dave Leikam)
29. 04:14 PM - Re: high oil temp (pilotdds@AOL.COM)
30. 04:34 PM - Re: high oil temp (Tim Olson)
31. 06:18 PM - Re: high oil temp (John W. Cox)
32. 09:12 PM - tunnel temps (The McGough Family)
33. 11:55 PM - Re: high oil temp (bill@airflow)
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Qu...
In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
apilot2@gmail.com writes:
I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought
ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott ATC
equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link transponder
and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course they
were buying several hundred units.
So the $20-30k maybe in the ball park?
P
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Qu...
Since I already have a pair of Garmin GNS 430W's and the GTX
330 in my RV-10, I am sure hoping that I could have a full ADBS system
with this new Garmin blackbox and a GTX 330 upgrade. I hope this
solution will provide the full benefits of ADSB including the weather
and that we aren't forced to go to the more expensive GDL 90 to get the
full feature set that ADSB will provide.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision
Avoidance System Qu...
In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
apilot2@gmail.com writes:
I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought
ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott ATC
equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link transponder
and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course they
were buying several hundred units.
So the $20-30k maybe in the ball park?
P
AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Re: billet aircraft handles |
Actually his wife will have to install them, SHE'S the real builder!!!
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 5:50:23 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles
Ha, you'll have to drop it off on a Friday with full tanks and pick it up on
Monday weather permitting......seriously, they only take about 2-3 hours per
door. Come on up on a Sunday, we'll send the wife's to the casino and we can
get em done.
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
capsteve@adelphia.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R. [mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles
Does this mean if I fly up and give rides you can have them installed in
time for me to paint the plane on AUG 21? I would really like them but do
not want mess up the paint afterwards and who better to install them than
the manufacturer?
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles
<capsteve@adelphia.net>
Hi David,
they're 450 a pair, and that includes handles, cut template, pushrod
attach saddles, pushrod guide, linkages, photo install manual and
screws/washers.
Thanks,
Steve dinieri
40205
Iflyrv10.com
capsteve@adelphia.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles
I am interested. What will the first run price be?
David Maib
40559
QB wings
On Jul 21, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Steven DiNieri wrote:
> <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
> I apologize for the wasted bandwidth, as I know some people get
> uptight about commercial use of the list (rightfully so...) that being
> said, I had designed a custom rv-10 billet aluminum handle and install
> kit and posted some preproduction photos a few months back. I had a
> lot of interest and had compiled a list of interested people.
> Unfortunately I lost(fried) the computer that held that information.
> If you were/are interested please drop me a new e-mail or visit the
> website.
> Note: the price is reduced by 150 bucks for the first run!!
> Steven dinieri
> 40205
> Iflyrv10.com
> capsteve@adelphia.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Qu...
At least a year ago, if not more, I was told that the GTX330 would
have this capability....but that it still relies on an ADS-B
system which is the usual GDL-90. The GTX-330 is just the
"communicator" for the system. So I wouldn't expect the cost to
be low, because nothing from Garmin is. I'm hoping for a
3rd party to come out with something competitive.
As for the weather though, I've heard that the weather that's
available through ADS-B is very minimal, and that when you
compare them, it makes the WSI / XM stuff look very much worth
paying the extra for. I guess even the garmin guys don't
recommend using ADS-B weather right now, if you talk to the
technical folks. I guess you get what you pay for, and until
the FAA starts charging a good sized fee for the Wx then
they'd have no big incentive to make it too nice. Besides
that, it's kind of hard for the government to try to provide
for free those services when they'd hurt competing commercial
interests....so I wouldn't hold out much hope for ADS-B's
weather to be great. If they do it right, it'll be a good
Traffic system....but there I'd rather see a cheaper version
of the Avidyne system or something.
On the flip side, WSI and XM are constantly trying to add more
features and capabilities to their service. It's one of
those situations where private is better than government....as
opposed to the garbage that they're pulling with FSS and ATC,
hoping to privatize that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> Since I already have a pair of Garmin GNS 430Ws and the GTX
> 330 in my RV-10, I am sure hoping that I could have a full ADBS system
> with this new Garmin blackbox and a GTX 330 upgrade. I hope this
> solution will provide the full benefits of ADSB including the weather
> and that we arent forced to go to the more expensive GDL 90 to get the
> full feature set that ADSB will provide.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> *Ray Doerr*
> 40250
>
> N519RV
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *GRANSCOTT@aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:40 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision
> Avoidance System Qu...
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> apilot2@gmail.com writes:
>
> I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought
> ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott ATC
> equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link transponder
> and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course they
> were buying several hundred units.
>
> So the $20-30k maybe in the ball park?
>
>
>
> P
>
>
>
> AOL.com.
>
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| Subject: | billet aircraft handles |
She wears her girl power shirt all the time and makes it very clear it
was "Rosie" who built the best war machines. Women are better airplane
builders, proven time and time again and they are more than willing to
help, unless our male ego's get in the way, then they are quick to let
us fail on our own!
Dan
"Lucky to have a wife who loves airplane building, now if I can just get
her into Lionel trains"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles
Actually his wife will have to install them, SHE'S the real builder!!!
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 5:50:23 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles
<capsteve@adelphia.net>
Ha, you'll have to drop it off on a Friday with full tanks and pick it
up on
Monday weather permitting......seriously, they only take about 2-3 hours
per
door. Come on up on a Sunday, we'll send the wife's to the casino and we
can
get em done.
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
capsteve@adelphia.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R. [mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles
Does this mean if I fly up and give rides you can have them installed
in
time for me to paint the plane on AUG 21? I would really like them but
do
not want mess up the paint afterwards and who better to install them
than
the manufacturer?
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
DiNieri
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles
<capsteve@adelphia.net>
Hi David,
they're 450 a pair, and that includes handles, cut template,
pushrod
attach saddles, pushrod guide, linkages, photo install manual and
screws/washers.
Thanks,
Steve dinieri
40205
Iflyrv10.com
capsteve@adelphia.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles
I am interested. What will the first run price be?
David Maib
40559
QB wings
On Jul 21, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Steven DiNieri wrote:
> <capsteve@adelphia.net>
>
> I apologize for the wasted bandwidth, as I know some people get
> uptight about commercial use of the list (rightfully so...) that being
> said, I had designed a custom rv-10 billet aluminum handle and install
> kit and posted some preproduction photos a few months back. I had a
> lot of interest and had compiled a list of interested people.
> Unfortunately I lost(fried) the computer that held that information.
> If you were/are interested please drop me a new e-mail or visit the
> website.
> Note: the price is reduced by 150 bucks for the first run!!
> Steven dinieri
> 40205
> Iflyrv10.com
> capsteve@adelphia.net
>
>
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Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across
southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected.
I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and
climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is
even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.
I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my
performance.
Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
Thanks,
Rob Kermanj
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What were your temps for crusie and at what altitude?
-----Original Message-----
From: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Sent: 8/2/2007 9:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp
Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across
southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected.
I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and
climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is
even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.
I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my
performance.
Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
Thanks,
Rob Kermanj
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I see the same thing on very hot days. I can usually climb out at 800 ft/min
until the oil get to 225, then I back off to 500 ft/min. Once I'm at attitude
(around 8500 - 12500) the temps are around 190 using 70 - 75% power. Your right
that it really limits your performance because of the oil temp while the cylinder
temps are fine. I have the stock Van's cowl and oil cooler and I have
seal up by baffling very well and RTV'ed everywhere. My next thoughts are to
possibly install another louver just under where the oil cooler is to provide
more exit air for it. The other option is to swap the oil cooler out, but that
a $500 cost.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp
Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across
southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected.
I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and
climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is
even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.
I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my
performance.
Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
Thanks,
Rob Kermanj
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
Other than this flight, what were you used to seeing in the past.
I saw my most drastic difference in oil temps at OSH 2007 when
I had to fly slow flight at about 85kts for 10-15 minutes,
and it very slowly climbed to 217 degrees. But that was with
4 guys over 220 lbs, and slow flight. As soon as we picked up
speed it went down. Pretty much proves Scott's theory on
loaded planes and airflow and heat.
Interestingly, I got a note from a flying James cowl'd -10
builder who said he's running 230-240. Not sure of how
perfected the installation is.
When I'm not loaded like the above, I'm not seeing any problems
even into the 90's, but I can imagine if you were flying in
the SouthWest in the summer, things could be a bit tougher
to deal with there. If you're going to fly in that area
commonly, I'd not only ensure you have all the tweaking to
get good cooling you can get, but also perhaps add more
ventilation that you can tape over or mechanically close when
you fly to cooler places.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
> serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern
> part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected.
>
> I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and
> climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is
> even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.
>
> I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my
> performance.
>
> Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
>
> I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob Kermanj
>
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
I had similar problems that disapeared with the oil cooler made by the air-conditioning
folks and marketed by Alex De dominicis.10 degree reduction and much
quicker cooling after climb.Temps have been well over 100 in our valley.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:52 am
Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp
?
Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a serious oil temp
issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern part of the country so
I am not sure if this is to be expected.?
?
I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and climb only
at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is even worse after a
fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.?
?
I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my performance.?
?
Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year??
?
I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.?
?
Thanks,?
Rob Kermanj?
?
?
?
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| Subject: | Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Qu...
Just to stir the pot....where do you think the weather data comes from?
We are already paying for that and should have access to it, and if the
government can ship it to us for a lower cost then we as tax payers
should be allowed to receive it.
I do agree that XM and WSI are using their satellites to ship it to us
and that is where the $50 fee comes from, but ADS-B should provide the
same service if not better once we are equipped for it, to make it less
so that a commercial venture can make money is a waste of tax payer
money.
Just my usual .02
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision
Avoidance System Qu...
At least a year ago, if not more, I was told that the GTX330 would
have this capability....but that it still relies on an ADS-B
system which is the usual GDL-90. The GTX-330 is just the
"communicator" for the system. So I wouldn't expect the cost to
be low, because nothing from Garmin is. I'm hoping for a
3rd party to come out with something competitive.
As for the weather though, I've heard that the weather that's
available through ADS-B is very minimal, and that when you
compare them, it makes the WSI / XM stuff look very much worth
paying the extra for. I guess even the garmin guys don't
recommend using ADS-B weather right now, if you talk to the
technical folks. I guess you get what you pay for, and until
the FAA starts charging a good sized fee for the Wx then
they'd have no big incentive to make it too nice. Besides
that, it's kind of hard for the government to try to provide
for free those services when they'd hurt competing commercial
interests....so I wouldn't hold out much hope for ADS-B's
weather to be great. If they do it right, it'll be a good
Traffic system....but there I'd rather see a cheaper version
of the Avidyne system or something.
On the flip side, WSI and XM are constantly trying to add more
features and capabilities to their service. It's one of
those situations where private is better than government....as
opposed to the garbage that they're pulling with FSS and ATC,
hoping to privatize that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> Since I already have a pair of Garmin GNS 430W's and the
GTX
> 330 in my RV-10, I am sure hoping that I could have a full ADBS system
> with this new Garmin blackbox and a GTX 330 upgrade. I hope this
> solution will provide the full benefits of ADSB including the weather
> and that we aren't forced to go to the more expensive GDL 90 to get
the
> full feature set that ADSB will provide.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> *Ray Doerr*
> 40250
>
> N519RV
>
>
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>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *GRANSCOTT@aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:40 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision
> Avoidance System Qu...
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> apilot2@gmail.com writes:
>
> I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought
> ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott
ATC
> equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link
transponder
> and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course
they
> were buying several hundred units.
>
> So the $20-30k maybe in the ball park?
>
>
>
> P
>
>
>
> AOL.com.
>
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| Subject: | TT Pitch Servo Install Directions |
... are really lame (TruTrak, are you listening?). This is all I got in the box
(same as from their website):
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/RV10pitch.pdf
There are no dimensions called out for drilling the bellcrank hole. The bracket
photo leaves a lot to the imagination. Worse yet, the -10 plans show a
different bracket in a different location.
Would some kind sole please take pity and help out a rookie pitch servo
installer with additional information?
Thanks in advance,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions |
Yes there instructions leave a lot to be desired, call them they are very helpful.
Tim has some photos on his site
The attaching bracket attaches to the bell crank/battery tray assembly using the
existing hardware.
You need to remove the phenolic pully. Remove the center screw. On final assembly
reinstall with locktight.
Servo attaches with the four bolts. Safety wire the bolts after final assembly.
The hole in the bellcrank is on the centerline, 2" up and 0.5" aft. This is from
memory. PLEASE confirm with TruTrak.
The longer bolt goes through the large washer, the rod end bearing, spacer, bell
crank, normal washer and finally the lock nut.
This is at least how I did it.
If you do confirm with TruTrak, let me know if I made any errors.
Larry Rosen
--------
Larry Rosen
#40356
N205EN (reserved)
<http>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127175#127175
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| Subject: | Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
Qu...
I agree totally.
On another note the FAA keeps referring to ADSB using UAT's are being the cheapest
solution for GA, but the street cost of the GDL 90 from Garmin alone is $7K.
I guess the FAA think we are made of money. Mean wile the cost to upgrade
a GTX 330 transponder is likely to be much less since it is software only from
what I have researched. Now the 1090ES capable transponder will not be able
to support FIS-B for in cockpit weather, TFR's etc, but will likely meet the
ADS-B 2020 mandate.
With all the airplane out there now upgrading there 430's and 530's to WAAS, why
does Garmin create a new product that just has the UAT transceiver without
the WAAS GPS. This may help make it cheaper. I for one already have two GPS
antennas on the top of my plane and I don't want any more. Add to that the new
406 ELT's with GPS and you have a antenna farm on top of your airplane. I wish
manufactures would just start to interface to external equipment instead of
embedding a GPS into every device.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Qu...
Just to stir the pot....where do you think the weather data comes from?
We are already paying for that and should have access to it, and if the
government can ship it to us for a lower cost then we as tax payers
should be allowed to receive it.
I do agree that XM and WSI are using their satellites to ship it to us
and that is where the $50 fee comes from, but ADS-B should provide the
same service if not better once we are equipped for it, to make it less
so that a commercial venture can make money is a waste of tax payer
money.
Just my usual .02
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision
Avoidance System Qu...
At least a year ago, if not more, I was told that the GTX330 would
have this capability....but that it still relies on an ADS-B
system which is the usual GDL-90. The GTX-330 is just the
"communicator" for the system. So I wouldn't expect the cost to
be low, because nothing from Garmin is. I'm hoping for a
3rd party to come out with something competitive.
As for the weather though, I've heard that the weather that's
available through ADS-B is very minimal, and that when you
compare them, it makes the WSI / XM stuff look very much worth
paying the extra for. I guess even the garmin guys don't
recommend using ADS-B weather right now, if you talk to the
technical folks. I guess you get what you pay for, and until
the FAA starts charging a good sized fee for the Wx then
they'd have no big incentive to make it too nice. Besides
that, it's kind of hard for the government to try to provide
for free those services when they'd hurt competing commercial
interests....so I wouldn't hold out much hope for ADS-B's
weather to be great. If they do it right, it'll be a good
Traffic system....but there I'd rather see a cheaper version
of the Avidyne system or something.
On the flip side, WSI and XM are constantly trying to add more
features and capabilities to their service. It's one of
those situations where private is better than government....as
opposed to the garbage that they're pulling with FSS and ATC,
hoping to privatize that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> Since I already have a pair of Garmin GNS 430W's and the
GTX
> 330 in my RV-10, I am sure hoping that I could have a full ADBS system
> with this new Garmin blackbox and a GTX 330 upgrade. I hope this
> solution will provide the full benefits of ADSB including the weather
> and that we aren't forced to go to the more expensive GDL 90 to get
the
> full feature set that ADSB will provide.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> *Ray Doerr*
> 40250
>
> N519RV
>
>
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>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *GRANSCOTT@aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:40 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision
> Avoidance System Qu...
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> apilot2@gmail.com writes:
>
> I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought
> ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott
ATC
> equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link
transponder
> and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course
they
> were buying several hundred units.
>
> So the $20-30k maybe in the ball park?
>
>
>
> P
>
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>
> AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions |
Jay:
If you get a response, please post as I looked at those same pics just
the other night and wondered if the dimension/location of the hole was
that critical. It looks like one just levels the arm and puts the hole
about in the middle.
As an aside, I realize that we are scattered over the whole country, but
I fell into 5 gallons of Shewin Williams Wash primer. P60-G2. I went
to order another gallon for the primer ( I hate writing that word on
the post, but I had to) and the guy at the SW store said that he had a 5
gallon bucket that he probably could not or would not be able to sell.
I will likely only need about 1-2 quarts to finish. He "sold" me the
bucket for 5 bucks. The ticket said $335. If anyone in the area needs
some primer, please call. I'd hate for it to go to waste. I'm
located in Paris, Texas which is mid way between Dallas and Texarkana.
It was fun to meet some new faces at Osh this year. I wish I could have
made it over to the campsite. Will try next year.
Fred Williams
40515.
515FW reserved
Jay Brinkmeyer wrote:
>
> ... are really lame (TruTrak, are you listening?). This is all I got in the box
> (same as from their website):
> http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/RV10pitch.pdf
>
> There are no dimensions called out for drilling the bellcrank hole. The bracket
> photo leaves a lot to the imagination. Worse yet, the -10 plans show a
> different bracket in a different location.
>
> Would some kind sole please take pity and help out a rookie pitch servo
> installer with additional information?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jay
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
I see the same thing. I did everything Tim and Vic did to their baffles an
d Tim and I actually did a side by side oil temp / CHT comparison at Oshkos
h after running at full power for a minute or so and we were almost exactly
the same. I find that oil temp is the limiting factor in climb out. When
I climb out now, it is very rare for me to see 400 F on my #2 cylinder bef
ore my oil temps start to approach 220. Like others have said, the cheape
st and probably best initial solution would be the addition of louvers on t
he bottom of the cowl. =0A =0AMake sure you read this section on Tim's si
te and really seal the baffle up nicely. =0Ahttp://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/ma
intenance/20061022/index.html=0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com
=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "pilotdds@aol.com" <pilotd
ds@aol.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, August 2, 2007
7:58:32 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: high oil temp=0A=0AI had similar probl
ems that disapeared with the oil cooler made by the air-conditioning folks
and marketed by Alex De dominicis.10 degree reduction and much quicker cool
ing after climb.Temps have been well over 100 in our valley.=0A=0A-----Orig
inal Message-----=0AFrom: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:52 am=0ASubject: RV10-List: high oi
.com> =0A =0AHello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had
a serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern pa
rt of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected. =0A =0AI am s
eeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and climb only a
t 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is even worse after a
fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat. =0A =0AI used to have to
watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my performance. =0A =0ADoe
s anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year? =0A =0AI have n
o modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff. =0A =0AThanks, =0ARob
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The NDM/Kintex (aka Niagara) cooler that Van's sells is a knock off of a SW cooler
and isn't the most efficient, or so I've been told. The SW cooler has a patented
fin design with higher density and better heat transfer. Unfortunately
you are correct that the SW cooler is about $550 plus a core charge. If I still
lived in Texas or elsewhere in the scorching hot regions, I would give real
consideration to leaving the Van's cooler off the kit order and get a Stewart
Warner from someone like Pacific Oil Coolers.
Michael Sausen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil temp
I see the same thing on very hot days. I can usually climb out at 800
ft/min until the oil get to 225, then I back off to 500 ft/min. Once I'm at attitude
(around 8500 - 12500) the temps are around 190 using 70 - 75% power.
Your right that it really limits your performance because of the oil temp while
the cylinder temps are fine. I have the stock Van's cowl and oil cooler and
I have seal up by baffling very well and RTV'ed everywhere. My next thoughts
are to possibly install another louver just under where the oil cooler is to
provide more exit air for it. The other option is to swap the oil cooler out,
but that a $500 cost.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp
Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across
southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected.
I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and
climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is
even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.
I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my
performance.
Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
Thanks,
Rob Kermanj
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
Cruise at 185 F at 12,500.
Thanks.
On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Tom Deutsch wrote:
> <deutscht@rhwhotels.com>
>
> What were your temps for crusie and at what altitude?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 8/2/2007 9:17 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp
>
>
> Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
> serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across
> southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be
> expected.
>
> I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and
> climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is
> even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.
>
> I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my
> performance.
>
> Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
>
> I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob Kermanj
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
Does this oil cooler fit or did you have to modify things?
Thanks, Rob.
On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:58 AM, pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
> I had similar problems that disapeared with the oil cooler made by
> the air-conditioning folks and marketed by Alex De dominicis.10
> degree reduction and much quicker cooling after climb.Temps have
> been well over 100 in our valley.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:52 am
> Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp
>
>
> Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
> serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across
> southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be
> expected.
>
> I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose
> and climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher.
> This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked
> with heat.
>
> I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting
> my performance.
>
> Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
>
> I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob Kermanj
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
I had 2500 Ibs of load and I am sure it had an effect on the oil
temp. I am normally on joy rides and do not climb high in Florida.
Also, In Florida, outside temps drop quickly as you leave the ground.
I am used to seeing no more than 200 F but again, not loaded and not
climbing high.
Thanks.
Rob.
On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Other than this flight, what were you used to seeing in the past.
> I saw my most drastic difference in oil temps at OSH 2007 when
> I had to fly slow flight at about 85kts for 10-15 minutes,
> and it very slowly climbed to 217 degrees. But that was with
> 4 guys over 220 lbs, and slow flight. As soon as we picked up
> speed it went down. Pretty much proves Scott's theory on
> loaded planes and airflow and heat.
>
> Interestingly, I got a note from a flying James cowl'd -10
> builder who said he's running 230-240. Not sure of how
> perfected the installation is.
>
> When I'm not loaded like the above, I'm not seeing any problems
> even into the 90's, but I can imagine if you were flying in
> the SouthWest in the summer, things could be a bit tougher
> to deal with there. If you're going to fly in that area
> commonly, I'd not only ensure you have all the tweaking to
> get good cooling you can get, but also perhaps add more
> ventilation that you can tape over or mechanically close when
> you fly to cooler places.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Rob Kermanj wrote:
>> Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
>> serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across
>> southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be
>> expected.
>> I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose
>> and climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher.
>> This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked
>> with heat.
>> I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting
>> my performance.
>> Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
>> I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
>> Thanks,
>> Rob Kermanj
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
It is comforting to know that you have a similar situation. I was
starting to think that perhaps our neighborhood birds were taking
residence inside the scat tube, on top of my oil cooler.
What would I swop my oil cooler with?
Thanks, Rob.
On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>
> I see the same thing on very hot days. I can usually climb out at
> 800 ft/min until the oil get to 225, then I back off to 500 ft/
> min. Once I'm at attitude (around 8500 - 12500) the temps are
> around 190 using 70 - 75% power. Your right that it really limits
> your performance because of the oil temp while the cylinder temps
> are fine. I have the stock Van's cowl and oil cooler and I have
> seal up by baffling very well and RTV'ed everywhere. My next
> thoughts are to possibly install another louver just under where
> the oil cooler is to provide more exit air for it. The other
> option is to swap the oil cooler out, but that a $500 cost.
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250
> N519RV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp
>
>
> Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
> serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across
> southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be
> expected.
>
> I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and
> climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is
> even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.
>
> I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my
> performance.
>
> Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
>
> I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob Kermanj
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
Thanks for the info. I am beginning to see that it may not just be
my problem.
do not archive,
Thanks, rob.
On Aug 2, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I see the same thing. I did everything Tim and Vic did to their
> baffles and Tim and I actually did a side by side oil temp / CHT
> comparison at Oshkosh after running at full power for a minute or
> so and we were almost exactly the same. I find that oil temp is
> the limiting factor in climb out. When I climb out now, it is very
> rare for me to see 400 F on my #2 cylinder before my oil temps
> start to approach 220. Like others have said, the cheapest and
> probably best initial solution would be the addition of louvers on
> the bottom of the cowl.
>
> Make sure you read this section on Tim's site and really seal the
> baffle up nicely.
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20061022/index.html
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "pilotdds@aol.com" <pilotdds@aol.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 7:58:32 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil temp
>
> I had similar problems that disapeared with the oil cooler made by
> the air-conditioning folks and marketed by Alex De dominicis.10
> degree reduction and much quicker cooling after climb.Temps have
> been well over 100 in our valley.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:52 am
> Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp
>
>
> Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a
> serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across
> southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be
> expected.
>
> I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose
> and climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher.
> This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked
> with heat.
>
> I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting
> my performance.
>
> Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?
>
> I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob Kermanj
>
>
> http://www.matrs.matronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://
> forums.matronics.co============
>
>
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| Subject: | WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System |
Just saw an ad in West Marine flyer for an SR100 Sirius Satellite Weather
Receiver - for $899. How in the world can WSI justify a Sirius receiver for
over $3,000? It's the same electronics (yet receives the marine weather data
stream). I certainly hope that WSI gets competitive with the XM receivers
that run around $500. Let's Chelton users see if we can put some pressure on
them and Chelton.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System
Got a sheet at OSH that listed the new service plans from WSI. They are now
priced exactly as XM, which is to say lower with more features.
Here's the rundown:
$29.99/mo ($359/yr)
WSI NOWrad
Precipitation Type
Dynamic Radar Coverage Mask
Lightning
METARs
TAFs
TFRs
City Forecasts
$49.99/mo ($599/yr) adds the following:
Radar Summary
Winds Aloft
Temperatures Aloft
Cloud Top (Satellite IR)
International METARs *
International TAFs *
AIRMETs
SIGMETs
Surface Analysis
Sever Storm Watch Boxes
Canadian Radar, Coverage Mask
Add-ons: $99/yr
PIREPs and AIREPs - Can be added to either service
I believe they are also planning to roll out some additional new features,
but they haven't been announced as of yet.
------------------------
Another important Note: If you have an un-activated AV-100 or AV-200, you
will want to activate it right away. They will still activate it later so
you can upgrade, but apparently their legal department has some concerns
over possible fraud that can happen and they'd like to close the doors on
the problem by getting them activated very soon.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
3:50 PM
4:53 PM
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
It was a direct replacement-simple install-I bought louvres but did not feel I
needed them after the new oil cooler.I did remove the dams on 1 and two.
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From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 8:04 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil temp
Does this oil cooler fit or did you have to modify things?
Thanks, Rob.
On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:58 AM, pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
I had similar problems that disapeared with the oil cooler made by the air-conditioning
folks and marketed by Alex De dominicis.10 degree reduction and much
quicker cooling after climb.Temps have been well over 100 in our valley.
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From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:52 am
Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp
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Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a serious oil temp
issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern part of the country so
I am not sure if this is to be expected.?
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I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and climb only
at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is even worse after a
fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.?
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I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my performance.?
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Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year??
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I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.?
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Thanks,?
Rob Kermanj?
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| Subject: | Re: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System |
This isn't at all a Chelton specific thing. It affects many
different systems. So the complaint for the receiver price
should go to WSI directly. Chelton's actually given some
good reasons why XM is on their back burner and not their
front, given that they deal with things like a certified company
would....they want to guarantee a standardized hardware platform
and interface, something that can't be done as easily when
there is no "XM reciever", but systems that receive XM made
by many various companies for their own use. That's why
when you want XM on a garmin, you buy THEIR box too....and
that box costs very similar to what WSI gets. It would be nice
if everyone could just function with a cheap XM box, but when
the manufacturer takes stability seriously, they need to know
that the interface isn't going to randomly change on them.
This isn't to say that the receivers are price where they
should be....as they are too high. But, it isn't just
WSI, but Garmin that does this. Oh, and Avidyne makes
the WSI receivers....what's the chance that Avidyne asks
a little more from WSI when they sell it to them too?
Justine at WSI is always open to comments though, so if you
haven't ever called her, that's the place to go.
For what it's worth, the receiver price is a fixed-cost item,
and the subscription is the long-term pain....and, with
some serious hard searching, there's still time to get
yourself a deal on a legacy system for a free upgrade.
The hours spent on the phone may pay off in dollars saved.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Testement wrote:
>
> Just saw an ad in West Marine flyer for an SR100 Sirius Satellite Weather
> Receiver - for $899. How in the world can WSI justify a Sirius receiver for
> over $3,000? It's the same electronics (yet receives the marine weather data
> stream). I certainly hope that WSI gets competitive with the XM receivers
> that run around $500. Let's Chelton users see if we can put some pressure on
> them and Chelton.
>
> John Testement
> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
> 40321
> Richmond, VA
> Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:41 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System
>
>
> Got a sheet at OSH that listed the new service plans from WSI. They are now
> priced exactly as XM, which is to say lower with more features.
>
> Here's the rundown:
>
> $29.99/mo ($359/yr)
>
> WSI NOWrad
> Precipitation Type
> Dynamic Radar Coverage Mask
> Lightning
> METARs
> TAFs
> TFRs
> City Forecasts
>
> $49.99/mo ($599/yr) adds the following:
>
> Radar Summary
> Winds Aloft
> Temperatures Aloft
> Cloud Top (Satellite IR)
> International METARs *
> International TAFs *
> AIRMETs
> SIGMETs
> Surface Analysis
> Sever Storm Watch Boxes
> Canadian Radar, Coverage Mask
>
> Add-ons: $99/yr
> PIREPs and AIREPs - Can be added to either service
>
>
> I believe they are also planning to roll out some additional new features,
> but they haven't been announced as of yet.
>
> ------------------------
>
> Another important Note: If you have an un-activated AV-100 or AV-200, you
> will want to activate it right away. They will still activate it later so
> you can upgrade, but apparently their legal department has some concerns
> over possible fraud that can happen and they'd like to close the doors on
> the problem by getting them activated very soon.
>
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| Subject: | Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions |
I spoke with Zach at TT. They are working on AutoCAD diagrams, but do not have
them ready at present...
The bellcrank hole position is not critical, but should be located 2.25" up and
.5" aft from the center hole.
The TT bracket supplied by Vans in the -10 kit should be discarded. Instead, use
the one supplied with the servo.
Regards,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
I have the louvers on the bottom of the cowl..........they do work. If
you just install the SW cooler and do NOT put in the louvers don't expec
t much of a change. AMF when I talked to the people selling the "better
" oil cooler for $500 they would not promise cooler oil temps without ad
ding the louvers. Airflow over the cooler is the issue in the RV10.....
......NOT the cooler itself.
IMHO Dean 805HL
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| Subject: | Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions |
I didn't even get the pictures! I have not begun to install yet but I
second the request for assist.
Dave Leikam
40496
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From: "Jay Brinkmeyer" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RV10-List: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions
>
> ... are really lame (TruTrak, are you listening?). This is all I got in
> the box
> (same as from their website):
> http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/RV10pitch.pdf
>
> There are no dimensions called out for drilling the bellcrank hole. The
> bracket
> photo leaves a lot to the imagination. Worse yet, the -10 plans show a
> different bracket in a different location.
>
> Would some kind sole please take pity and help out a rookie pitch servo
> installer with additional information?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jay
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
In my humble experience ,verified with before and after testing ,the oil cooler
without the louvres do improve cooling.I installed the cooler with the intent
of placing the louvres later and found it unnecesary.The heating of the firewall
seems to cause the oil cooler to become a heat sink .Additional airflow over
the cooler can only help but may not be necesary.On sat 7-21 I was held on
the ground for 40 minutes in 106 degree heat,oil temp reached 228 on the ground.On
release and 1000 fpm climbout ,110 mph ,three large men aboard temp went
to 207.Leveling at 5500 temp went to 195.
Hope this helps
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From: ddddsp1@juno.com <ddddsp1@juno.com>
Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil temp
I have the louvers on the bottom of the cowl..........they do work.? If you just
install the SW cooler and do NOT put in the louvers don't expect much of a change.?
AMF when I talked to the people selling the "better" oil cooler for $500
they would not promise cooler oil temps without adding the louvers.? Airflow
over the cooler is the issue in the RV10...........NOT the cooler itself.
IMHO?? Dean? 805HL
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
Whoooo---eeee, 106 degree heat on the ground for 40 minutes!?!?!
Did you see a guy in red with a pitchfork and horns around you?
I can't even imagine the suffering!
At least you cooled it down by flying though. Regardless of
the cooler or louvres, ground running is going to make an engine
hot. Glad you were able to get to better temps though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
> In my humble experience ,verified with before and after testing ,the oil
> cooler without the louvres do improve cooling.I installed the cooler
> with the intent of placing the louvres later and found it unnecesary.The
> heating of the firewall seems to cause the oil cooler to become a heat
> sink .Additional airflow over the cooler can only help but may not be
> necesary.On sat 7-21 I was held on the ground for 40 minutes in 106
> degree heat,oil temp reached 228 on the ground.On release and 1000 fpm
> climbout ,110 mph ,three large men aboard temp went to 207.Leveling at
> 5500 temp went to 195.
> Hope this helps
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddddsp1@juno.com <ddddsp1@juno.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 3:29 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil temp
>
> I have the louvers on the bottom of the cowl..........they do work. If
> you just install the SW cooler and do NOT put in the louvers don't
> expect much of a change. AMF when I talked to the people selling the
> "better" oil cooler for $500 they would not promise cooler oil temps
> without adding the louvers. Airflow over the cooler is the issue in the
> RV10...........NOT the cooler itself.
> IMHO Dean 805HL
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Dean, you are the first builder to post that the issue is not
necessarily the VANS (Niagra) cooler, it is the lack of meaningful
two-way discussion on the total process of aircraft engine cooling. The
factors are the difference in pressure between the upper cowl (High) and
the lower exit point (Low) and the differences in temperature which
allow convective cooling to take place. As you ARE the manufacturer of
the final product, a simple design would be to temporarily take a length
of flexible dryer ducting from the rear baffle exit and route it "most
directly" to the discharge point between the headers and under the cabin
floor. You may start to see where I am going with this thread.
No rocket science is needed to conclude the mount location and angle of
the oil cooler (heat exchanger) is compromised by the circuitous and
convoluted path offered by the VANS parts supplier.
Now on to "A" solution but certainly not the only one. Lopresti. For
the 110+ builders who attended the LoPresti OSH seminar which was an
improvement, and embellishment of this same subject of three years ago.
(Sorry for the rehash). There are lots of tricks (their words) that can
be done to correct the perceived problem. Even GAMI has gotten into the
act to improve baffling and Delta P and Delta Ts on poorly designed
systems on certified aircraft. Curt Lopresti, stood before the group
and answered a question from Builder Paul Grimstad #450,on a cowl for
the RV-10. Contrary to what one person posted here. Curt responded
that "Lopresti IS looking into a product which would go along with their
landing light and wingtip options for the 10".
Which manufacturer gets it consistently right - Cirrus. Go steal some
of their ideas.
For those who simply want the facts and couldn't pull themselves away
from watching the RV formation over flight, I will retype all of the
PowerPoint presentation and send it to Tim for the permanent RV
University files. However, Curt did say (just like three years ago)
that they would post the entire presentation (with pretty pictures) on
the company website. It as yet, has not happened. So I will plagiarize
for Tim in a separate document. Lopresti cowls, unlike the James cowls
have lots of scientific research and product development behind them.
Many certified airframe manufacturers offer their Lopresti products as
an approved STC replacement. They (LoPresti) say that controllable cowl
fins are critically important to speed performance and cooling control.
The new Mooney Ovation is being delivered with a LoPresti engineered
cowl which is built by Composites Unlimited of Scappoose, OR for
certified production on each Ovation. Don't get me wrong - the James
cowl is sexy but is it is no way a clone of a LoPresti designed system.
With work like Deems Davis is doing, you might just get the best of both
company efforts. To my understanding the James Cowl is the only current
alternative to the VANS offering.
The cooler is one point of correction. The installation location,
consistent with unrestricted flow is another. Control of the Delta P
and Delta T is another. "Controllable" Cowl flaps are another. Testing
of the product and retesting is another. The life expectancy of your
Top End ($$$) is a direct relationship to keeping the temperatures
within the range that aluminum products like to operate. On that,
there is still no consensus.
You all, as the ultimate manufacturers, have lots of arrows in your
quiver to correct high operating temperatures short of just showing the
engine with excess 100LL. It's about caressing the air flow for your
intended purpose. For those of you who do not dare deviate from the
VANS directions and parts, the plane still climbs just great and is a
true thrill to fly.
Is anyone else willing to engage with Dean on this subject?
John Cox - #600
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: high oil temp
I have the louvers on the bottom of the cowl..........they do work. If
you just install the SW cooler and do NOT put in the louvers don't
expect much of a change. AMF when I talked to the people selling the
"better" oil cooler for $500 they would not promise cooler oil temps
without adding the louvers. Airflow over the cooler is the issue in the
RV10...........NOT the cooler itself.
IMHO Dean 805HL
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Guys that are flying I installed a Kool mat on the firewall due do
complaints of tunnel heat. This has all seem to die down. I am about to
install engine and was thinking of taking the mat off as of the weight
and as there may not be a tunnel problem with 90 RV10 s flying
Any thoughts
Chris Down under
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
| From: | "bill@airflow" <airflow2@cox.net> |
This is my first time to post and am not sure of the protocol, but there is some
clarification required of some of the info posted re high oil temps on the RV-10:
The oil coolers from the air conditioning company are made by Airflow Systems
and are available from Airflow (949-218-9701) or Alex De Dominicis or Aircraft
Spruce. You do not have to have the louvers to realize better oil temps
with the new oil cooler, but when mounted on the SIDE of the lower cowl the
louvers do improve CHTs and oil temps to a greater degree (unintended pun), especially
in climb. Louvers on the bottom help, but not as much as on the side.
Also, the oil coolers are not $500.00, retail is $427.00 and for the month of
August they include a free set of louvers when ordered from Airflow or Alex.
Contrary to one statement, there is a substantial difference in the performance
of the various oil coolers when the flow rates (cooling air and oil) are the
same. We have verified this in multiple tests on different RV-10s with and without
louvers, as well as bench testing.
There is much room for improvement on the RV-10 engine air management and my prediction
is that the final version of the cooler install will be significantly
different than what is used now. There is no reason an aircraft of this capability
should not perform better on a hot day.
I have the louvers on the bottom of the cowl..........they do work. If
> you just install the SW cooler and do NOT put in the louvers don't
> expect much of a change. AMF when I talked to the people selling the
> "better" oil cooler for $500 they would not promise cooler oil temps
> without adding the louvers. Airflow over the cooler is the issue in the
> RV10...........NOT the cooler itself.
> IMHO Dean 805HL
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