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1. 04:27 AM - Re: RV-10 Budgets (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: Flying RV10 List with pictures (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
3. 07:22 AM - Re: high oil temp (Bob Newman)
4. 08:04 AM - Re: RV-10 Budgets (Noel Simmons)
5. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: high oil temp (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
6. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: high oil temp (Scott Schmidt)
7. 09:06 AM - Trade-a-plane spec -10's (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: high oil temp (Bob Newman)
9. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: high oil temp (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
10. 01:59 PM - Andair Fuel Valve ()
11. 02:05 PM - Test (Joe Mrkvicka)
12. 03:43 PM - Long Bolts? (Jesse Saint)
13. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: high oil temp (Mark Ritter)
14. 04:58 PM - Re: Long Bolts? (carlos)
15. 06:45 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve (Paul Grimstad)
16. 07:16 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve (Tim Olson)
17. 07:18 PM - Re: Long Bolts? (Tim Olson)
18. 08:09 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve (Neal George)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Budgets |
Jay,
This may not help with the wife convincing at all. Attached is my actual
costs for (almost) everything. I gave up filling this out about 6 months before
getting my RV-10 in the air. I'd guess another $1000 (or $2000 or $3000) more
on misc. stuff. The list is chronological, so it's a mess, but everything is
in there. Totals are on the last sheet. You'll find all the big stuff listed,
but it's the nickel and dime (read $100 to $200) stuff and included shipping
charges that really adds up.
-Jim
40134 - Completing my first annual inspection
In a message dated 8/6/2007 10:44:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jay_b_hansen@hotmail.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jay Hansen" <jay_b_hansen@hotmail.com>
I am in the initial planning (and wife convincing) stage, and it would
really help if I could find some budgets on completed or planned RV-10's.
The main thing these will tell me is what does not come with the quick-build
kit.
Thanks,
Jay Hansen
jay_b_hansen@hotmail.com
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
_http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew)
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| Subject: | Flying RV10 List with pictures |
Tim has the 3 view drawings for anyone to download and draw on for paint
schemes.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dsyvert@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV10 List with pictures
Rob,
I am having the same thought and have not found a blank picture to
sketch on. Below is a link for a desk top model of an RV-10 for $58.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vans-Vans-RV-10-Airplane-Wood-Model_W0QQitemZ2701505
07417QQcmdZViewItem
Dave Syvertson
40625
fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
I've been following along on this thread and am a bit confused by the
references being made to "with louvers or without louvers". Can some
one please clarify this or direct me to some pictures. Are these the
cut-out in the bottom of the cowl??
I will not be using the van's firewall forward kit as I am using an
engine and many of the accesories from Cherokee 6-260 including the oil
cooler. (its the pma'd one stewart warner one). I'm planning on
just buying the ff accesories I need piece wise as needed, (such as the
filtered air box).
Thanks for the input.
( finally done with slow build chapter 29!!)
-Bob Newman
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Doggy days and doggy dollars, and if you are like me and have a hound over
75lbs it is X9 not X7 as the usual.
Noel
Working on Simmons-RV number 27
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hansen
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Budgets
I am in the initial planning (and wife convincing) stage, and it would
really help if I could find some budgets on completed or planned RV-10's.
The main thing these will tell me is what does not come with the quick-build
kit.
Thanks,
Jay Hansen
jay_b_hansen@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
The louvers are part of the Finish kit and get installed into the lower
cowling to help dissipate heat. Some builders have been choosing to not
install them, and others have installed them. They are installed from
inside the cowl, and can be added at a later date if necessary, but if
you do it after paint extra care will have to be taken, but definitely
doable.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Newman
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: high oil temp
I've been following along on this thread and am a bit confused by the
references being made to "with louvers or without louvers". Can some
one please clarify this or direct me to some pictures. Are these the
cut-out in the bottom of the cowl??
I will not be using the van's firewall forward kit as I am using an
engine and many of the accesories from Cherokee 6-260 including the oil
cooler. (its the pma'd one stewart warner one). I'm planning on
just buying the ff accesories I need piece wise as needed, (such as the
filtered air box).
Thanks for the input.
( finally done with slow build chapter 29!!)
-Bob Newman
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
I think there may be a misunderstanding. The louvers most of us are talkin
g about are not included in the kit but are purchased http://www.aviationte
chproducts.com/html/accessories.html . I think everyone has the louvers in
stalled that Van's included, but many are adding additional louvers to incr
ease airflow. http://www.aviationtechproducts.com/html/products_pics.html#
louver11=0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Ori
ginal Message ----=0AFrom: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>=0ATo:
rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:05:23 AM=0ASubjec
t: RE: RV10-List: Re: high oil temp=0A=0A=0A--> RV10-List message posted by
: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>=0A=0AThe louvers are part of th
e Finish kit and get installed into the lower=0Acowling to help dissipate h
eat. Some builders have been choosing to not=0Ainstall them, and others hav
e installed them. They are installed from=0Ainside the cowl, and can be add
ed at a later date if necessary, but if=0Ayou do it after paint extra care
will have to be taken, but definitely=0Adoable.=0ADan=0AN289DT RV10E Flying
=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.
com=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Newman
=0ASent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:21 AM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0A
"Bob Newman" <rnewman@lutron.com>=0A=0A=0AI've been following along on thi
s thread and am a bit confused by the=0Areferences being made to "with louv
ers or without louvers". Can some=0Aone please clarify this or direct me
to some pictures. Are these the=0Acut-out in the bottom of the cowl??
=0A=0AI will not be using the van's firewall forward kit as I am using an
=0Aengine and many of the accesories from Cherokee 6-260 including the oil
=0Acooler. (its the pma'd one stewart warner one). I'm planning on=0Aj
ust buying the ff accesories I need piece wise as needed, (such as the=0Af
iltered air box).=0A=0A=0AThanks for the input.=0A=0A( finally done with sl
ow build chapter 29!!)=0A=0A-Bob Newman=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Trade-a-plane spec -10's |
Kinda quiet around here so I thought I would throw this out. There are 4 s
pec built RV-10's in the Trade a Plane that was handed out at OSH this year
. And just so I'm clear, I call it spec if it's right around it's fly-off
time and is for sale. Two had websites:
http://www.2bumsaircraft.com/index.html
http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/RV-10_main.htm
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
Thanks, This makes a lot more sense now.
-Bob
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>>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com 8/7/2007 12:03 PM >>>
I think there may be a misunderstanding. The louvers most of us are
talking about are not included in the kit but are purchased
http://www.aviationtechproducts.com/html/accessories.html . I think
everyone has the louvers installed that Van's included, but many are
adding additional louvers to increase airflow.
http://www.aviationtechproducts.com/html/products_pics.html#louver11
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:05:23 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: high oil temp
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
The louvers are part of the Finish kit and get installed into the
lower
cowling to help dissipate heat. Some builders have been choosing to
not
install them, and others have installed them. They are installed from
inside the cowl, and can be added at a later date if necessary, but if
you do it after paint extra care will have to be taken, but definitely
doable.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Newman
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: high oil temp
I've been following along on this thread and am a bit confused by the
references being made to "with louvers or without louvers". Can some
one please clarify this or direct me to some pictures. Are these
the
cut-out in the bottom of the cowl??
I will not be using the van's firewall forward kit as I am using an
engine and many of the accesories from Cherokee 6-260 including the
oil
cooler. (its the pma'd one stewart warner one). I'm planning on
just buying the ff accesories I need piece wise as needed, (such as
the
filtered air box).
Thanks for the input.
( finally done with slow build chapter 29!!)
-Bob Newman
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
Cool, thanks for the link. I was confused, I did not know that people
were adding more. At least now I have an option for additional airflow.
THX
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: high oil temp
I think there may be a misunderstanding. The louvers most of us are
talking about are not included in the kit but are purchased
http://www.aviationtechproducts.com/html/accessories.html . I think
everyone has the louvers installed that Van's included, but many are
adding additional louvers to increase airflow.
http://www.aviationtechproducts.com/html/products_pics.html#louver11
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:05:23 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: high oil temp
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
The louvers are part of the Finish kit and get installed into the lower
cowling to help dissipate heat. Some builders have been choosing to not
install them, and others have installed them. They are installed from
inside the cowl, and can be added at a later date if necessary, but if
you do it after paint extra care will have to be taken, but definitely
doable.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Newman
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: high oil temp
I've been following along on this thread and am a bit confused by the
references being made to "with louvers or without louvers". Can some
one please clarify this or direct me to some pictures. Are these the
cut-out in the bottom of the cowl??
I will not be using the van's firewall forward kit as I am using an
engine and many of the accesories from Cherokee 6-260 including the oil
cooler. (its the pma'd one stewart warner one). I'm planning on
just buying the ff accesories I need piece wise as needed, (such as the
filtered air box).
Thanks for the input.
( finally done with slow build chapter 29!!)
-Bob New10-List"
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve |
Looked at the archives for some advice on which valve is the latest and
greatest. SO what is the consensus these days on the model valve to go
with and where is the best place to get one. Tim Olson, I think you
mentioned if you did it over again you would utilize the universal joint
out there no?.
Is the best mount setup to use extensions and mount the valve down in
the tunnel or go for right up against the tunnel cover?
Looks like PN fs20x3 is the choice and have 90 deg elbow supplied by
andair put on, but should I go with universal at both ends with 6inch
ext.?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072
fuselage and mods (mods take time)
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Sorry folks - testing my ability to receive mail from you all.
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Does anybody know where I can find long AN hardware? For example, an
AN5-67(A).
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temp |
In addtion to the louvers that come with the finish kit I installed the
louvers sold by Alex D. They really helped bring the high oil temp down.
>From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: high oil temp
>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:05:23 -0400
>
>
>The louvers are part of the Finish kit and get installed into the lower
>cowling to help dissipate heat. Some builders have been choosing to not
>install them, and others have installed them. They are installed from
>inside the cowl, and can be added at a later date if necessary, but if
>you do it after paint extra care will have to be taken, but definitely
>doable.
>Dan
>N289DT RV10E Flying
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Newman
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:21 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Re: high oil temp
>
>
>
>I've been following along on this thread and am a bit confused by the
>references being made to "with louvers or without louvers". Can some
>one please clarify this or direct me to some pictures. Are these the
>cut-out in the bottom of the cowl??
>
>I will not be using the van's firewall forward kit as I am using an
>engine and many of the accesories from Cherokee 6-260 including the oil
>cooler. (its the pma'd one stewart warner one). I'm planning on
>just buying the ff accesories I need piece wise as needed, (such as the
>filtered air box).
>
>
>Thanks for the input.
>
>( finally done with slow build chapter 29!!)
>
>-Bob Newman
>
>
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Have you tried the guys at Genuine Aircraft Hardware? Here's their site:
www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com
Carlos in AZ
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> Does anybody know where I can find long AN hardware? For example, an
> AN5-67(A).
>
>
>
> Do not archive
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>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
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> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
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> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve |
Thanks for the meaningful questions about Andair. I am standing by to
hear the feed back. The linkage sound like a good idea and I recall
looking a one set-up with the fuel valve canted and moved forward just
below the quadrant.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: toaster73@earthlink.net
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve
Looked at the archives for some advice on which valve is the latest
and greatest. SO what is the consensus these days on the model valve to
go with and where is the best place to get one. Tim Olson, I think you
mentioned if you did it over again you would utilize the universal joint
out there no?.
Is the best mount setup to use extensions and mount the valve down in
the tunnel or go for right up against the tunnel cover?
Looks like PN fs20x3 is the choice and have 90 deg elbow supplied by
andair put on, but should I go with universal at both ends with 6inch
ext.?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072
fuselage and mods (mods take time)
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve |
Chris, I'm not 100% sure what valve would be best anymore because it's
been a LOOOOONG time now since I installed mine. I do think perhaps
the one that has the inlets at the 45 degree forward facing positions
would perhaps give better clearance than the one I used. The only
clearance issue is really the rudder cable area, and mine doesn't
contact it at all, but just requires some care to install well.
I can tell you this though. I'm 100% satisfied with going with that
Andair valve or any Andair valve. They're nice valves and I'd do it
again if I built another. I'm also 100% satisfied with using a
single flex line from the valve to the tank. I think that's the cat's
meow for routing.
As far as mounting the valve goes, if you put a swivel in it, I
think I'd only put one swivel in and mount the valve low in the
tunnel and put the swivel right on the valve so it's all stem to
the top. I have good reason for this. The way I have the valve
mounted (I don't have a swivel though) I was able to wrap the stem
in UHMW tape, and run the SCAT right through the area in the top
of the tunnel next to the valve. And, even if the stem touched
the SCAT, the tape prevents any wear. With a valve mounted up
high there, you'll have to squash and mash the SCAT tube
and force it to fit, or reduce it like some people have done.
Those are kind of hacked fixes IMHO, when you have the option to
mount the valve low and give plenty of room for the called-for SCAT.
I haven't seen the universal joint for a long time to remember how
tall it was, but my only concern with adding one would be that I
would want to leave at least 2 or 3" of stem at the top under the valve
to give clearance for that SCAT. Other than that, adding the
U-joint wouldn't be bad at all. The positive side is that with
that U-Joint you can be sloppier with the valve angle and mounting,
whereas I was required to have them line up fairly straight and
parallel to the tunnel cover surface, and cut the stem the exact
length so I could slide the stem in place, put the valve handle
over it, and tighten it down. I don't have a way to lock the
handle to the stem, given the install, but I worked hard to
make the fit as tight as possible so there's no way once the
handle is screwed down that it's coming apart. Much harder to
describe than to show in person. Either way, you will want to
order a 12" extension, because then you can cut one and if you
end up too short you have an entire spare half to re-cut one.
I don't know if the supplied elbow would be best, or if what I
did would be more compact, if you use the same valve as me.
I cut off the tip of the NPT threads, and used a die to cut
the threads a little further so that I'd shorten that stem
just another 1/16-1/8" to give a little clearance. That worked
well. But if the andair 90 is more compact, I'd go with that.
I couldn't get one easily when I was ordering. If you have
time to get the parts though, I'd look hard at the Left/Right
valve with the ports to the front on the 45's.
Good luck with it. It's working out great for me so far.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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toaster73@earthlink.net wrote:
> Looked at the archives for some advice on which valve is the latest and
> greatest. SO what is the consensus these days on the model valve to go
> with and where is the best place to get one. Tim Olson, I think you
> mentioned if you did it over again you would utilize the universal joint
> out there no?.
> Is the best mount setup to use extensions and mount the valve down in
> the tunnel or go for right up against the tunnel cover?
> Looks like PN fs20x3 is the choice and have 90 deg elbow supplied by
> andair put on, but should I go with universal at both ends with 6inch ext.?
> Thanks
> Chris Lucas
> #40072
> fuselage and mods (mods take time)
>
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Those sound like engine mount bolts if I remember right, aren't they?
I can't remember which ones off hand, but I did order an extra set
at one point and I think I got them either from ACS or Wicks.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve |
Paul -
The FS20x3 valve has a 180-degree swing between left and right tanks, and is
a VERY tight fit in the -10 tunnel. The FS20x7 series fits much easier and
(I think) looks nicer. Reports from folks using the 6-inch extension have
been positive, few have needed universal joints (one, that I know of). If
you choose to use the extension, with a little care in fitting the lower
mount plate, you can forego the universal joints (about $45 each).
As for sourcing, I'd recommend you go direct to Andair and order from the
website. It will be faster, less expensive, and you're more likely to get
exactly what you asked for. Be prepared - the exchange rate is painful...
You want the FS20x7T EXT...
FS = Fuel Selector
20 = Line Diameter in 0.5 mm increments (3/8" or AN6)
x = male output fitting (or F for Female)
7 = valve body style (7 indicates the two-port 90-deg swing body, Left at
335-, Right at 45- and off at 180-deg)
T = 90-deg male AN6 inlet fittings - more compact, fewer joints and less
expensive than screwing AN6 90-deg adapters into female fittings.
EXT = 6-inch extension unles you specify something else (if memory serves)
Now, pay attention - The standard extension kit includes a black anodized
bezel with engraving that results in "silver" lettering. If you want a
"silver" (clear anodized aluminum) bezel with black and red lettered
engravings, you need to specify that in the comments (or special
instructions) section.
neal
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve
Thanks for the meaningful questions about Andair. I am standing by to hear
the feed back. The linkage sound like a good idea and I recall looking a one
set-up with the fuel valve canted and moved forward just below the quadrant.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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From: toaster73@earthlink.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve
Looked at the archives for some advice on which valve is the latest and
greatest. SO what is the consensus these days on the model valve to go with
and where is the best place to get one. Tim Olson, I think you mentioned if
you did it over again you would utilize the universal joint out there no?.
Is the best mount setup to use extensions and mount the valve down in the
tunnel or go for right up against the tunnel cover?
Looks like PN fs20x3 is the choice and have 90 deg elbow supplied by andair
put on, but should I go with universal at both ends with 6inch ext.?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
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