---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/09/07: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Prop Grease (Marcus Cooper) 2. 05:36 AM - Re: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 (Doerr, Ray R [NTK]) 3. 05:53 AM - Re: Prop Grease (Kelly McMullen) 4. 06:14 AM - Re: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 (Tim Olson) 5. 06:17 AM - Troubleshooting a MAG drop. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK]) 6. 06:58 AM - Re: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 (Marc Cook) 7. 07:33 AM - Re: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. (Marc Cook) 8. 07:52 AM - Re: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 (Pascal) 9. 08:23 AM - Re: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. (John Jessen) 10. 08:32 AM - cowl insulation (Perry Casson-home) 11. 08:36 AM - Re: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 12. 08:46 AM - Re: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. (Deems Davis) 13. 09:13 AM - Re: Prop Grease (Scott Schmidt) 14. 09:19 AM - Re: Additional Hardware / Items required for FWF Kit? (AirMike) 15. 09:39 AM - Re: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 16. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Additional Hardware / Items required for FWF Kit? (Scott Schmidt) 17. 10:25 AM - Re: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 (Dj Merrill) 18. 10:25 AM - Re: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. (Tim Olson) 19. 10:27 AM - Re: cowl insulation (Tim Olson) 20. 10:52 AM - Re: Prop Grease (Sam Marlow) 21. 12:44 PM - Re: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. (linn Walters) 22. 03:13 PM - Re: Prop Grease (Marcus Cooper) 23. 03:58 PM - Re: Prop Grease (John Dunne) 24. 04:43 PM - Re: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 (Chris) 25. 07:01 PM - Re: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 26. 08:44 PM - Re: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. (Richard Sipp) 27. 09:40 PM - Best way to trim the door? (nick@nleonard.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:14 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RV10-List: Prop Grease Does anyone have handy the guidance on greasing the Hartzell prop hub? Specifically which grease and any application guidance beyond squirt it in the port until it shoots everywhere? Thanks, Marcus 40286 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" Thanks Tim. I was surprised when a few other friends of mine said they seen my plane in Kit Planes and all I could think of was wow, I sent that in 15 months ago. Anyway, now I just need to get a copy as a keep-sake. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 After months and months of waiting, we get to see Ray's completion listing in Sept 2007 Kitplanes. Why they can't just print the completions as they come and get them out I may never know, but they eventually get to them. Anyway, it's a proud moment to be able to show the non-net world your photo Ray. Enjoy! -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:24 AM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Grease Most of them come with a decal specifying the grease, usually Aeroshell 6, you remove two of the 4 zerk fittings and pump gently until grease appears at the opposite zerk you removed (same side of hub). Do not force it at all. You do not want grease coming out the prop blade seals..it will start a leak. On 8/9/07, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > > Does anyone have handy the guidance on greasing the Hartzell prop hub? > Specifically which grease and any application guidance beyond squirt it in > the port until it shoots everywhere? > > Thanks, > Marcus > 40286 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:24 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 What's the chance of just adding 12 pages of completions per issue until it's caught up? Seems that there were only a handful of completions in most of the recent issues, so I can see why a backlog develops. But, without putting a bunch of pages in there and just biting the bullet, I don't know how it'll get caught up. The completions are actually the first thing I turn to, and one of the things I like the most about the magazine. It's great to see what and who is flying out there. In Ray's case, he's flown to OSH 2 years in a row before his came to print. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Marc Cook wrote: > > Well, we're working down quite a backlog...but we're getting there. > > --Marc > > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> >> After months and months of waiting, we get to see Ray's completion >> listing in Sept 2007 Kitplanes. Why they can't just print the >> completions as they come and get them out I may never know, but they >> eventually get to them. Anyway, it's a proud moment to be able to show >> the non-net world your photo Ray. Enjoy! >> >> --Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:39 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" Guys, I just wanted to share my recent experience of trouble shooting a MAG drop I was having on my RV-10. I was flying back from my Canada trip and finished the first two legs without any issue. On my final leg I did the usual engine run-up to 1900 RPM and checked the MAG's. Right side dropped the usual 60-80 RPM while the Left dropped 120 RPM and the engine started to run rough. I leaned the crap out of it on the ground and it got a little better, so I decided to fly the last leg anyway. When I got back on the ground after running it for 2 hours LOP, I checked the MAG's before shutdown, and it was still dropping and running rough on the Left MAG. My friend, Brian Reiter came over and we pulled/cleaned/gapped the plugs because we were heading to Oshkosh the next day in the RV10. We also swapped the top plugs to the bottom and the bottom to the top. My plugs are all Unison UREM38E. The plugs did not look bad at all. After doing all of this, the MAG drop issue was gone. We flew to Osh, had a great time, and flew back and no problems with MAG drops. Then after putting another 3 hours on the plane, the MAG drops started on the Right MAG (notice before it was the Left MAG, but now the plugs were switched top for bottom). Now I started asking questions and tracing the MAG wires to the Plugs and this is what I learned. Right MAG runs the Top Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #2, 4, 6. Left MAG runs the Top Plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5. With this info, I knew which ones to start looking at. I had just cleaned all the top plugs again, since originally I thought the Right MAG ran all the Top Plugs (NOT), and they were all spotless. Then since the Right MAG also ran the Bottom plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6, I cleaned them again (in an ultrasonic bath) and they were spotless, the gap was fine. I re-installed the plugs with new copper washers and the Right MAG was still dropping 120 RPM and running rough. Time to go home for the day. The next evening, I thought why not start the engine, then immediately switch to the right MAG and watch the Temps on Dynon Engine Monitor to see which cylinder isn't firing. This was the trick, by starting the engine and immediately switching to the bad MAG, it didn't let the EGT's get very hot while the key-switch was on BOTH after starting. Now I observed the EGT of 5 of the cylinders were at 1200 degrees and climbing while my number #2 Cylinder was at 600 degrees and dropping (because this Clyinder was not firing when only on one MAG). Now that I knew #2 Bottom Plug was bad (285 hours on it), I change it out and my problem was resolved. I then went back and looked at the plug again, and most people I showed it to couldn't see anything wrong with it, but the porclin insulator inside the plug had a black residue (about the size of a pencil eraser end) on the wall about half way down. This plug was arcing across from the spring to the outer shell through the insulator instead of at the tip of the plug. I learned a lot during all of this, like which MAG runs what Plugs and that having an Engine Monitor on all Cylinders for CHT and EGT is an awesome troubleshooting tool as well. Anyway I thought I would share this with others that may not have grown up with these Engines either. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV (Hobbs=295) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:05 AM PST US From: Marc Cook Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 Interesting thought. Not sure I want to give up two or three full features, but I agree we need to work down that backlog faster than we have been. Part of the problem--and this will be familiar to anyone who has been in the magazine biz--is that Completions acts as an accordion section for us. When we receive last-minute ads, it's one of the places that can accommodate them easily. We have one or two other places for straggler ads but they're further forward in the book, and can require us to move a bunch of pages forward to make the change. How would you--and, for that matter, the rest of the community here-- feel about this feature going to the web so that these entries are much more real time? Or is it just that much cooler to actually see your project on the page? You tell me. --Marc do not archive On Aug 9, 2007, at 6:11 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > What's the chance of just adding 12 pages of completions per > issue until it's caught up? Seems that there were only a > handful of completions in most of the recent issues, so I can > see why a backlog develops. But, without putting a bunch > of pages in there and just biting the bullet, I don't know > how it'll get caught up. The completions are actually the > first thing I turn to, and one of the things I like the > most about the magazine. It's great to see what and who > is flying out there. In Ray's case, he's flown to OSH 2 years > in a row before his came to print. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Marc Cook wrote: >> Well, we're working down quite a backlog...but we're getting there. >> --Marc >> On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>> >>> After months and months of waiting, we get to see Ray's >>> completion listing in Sept 2007 Kitplanes. Why they can't just >>> print the >>> completions as they come and get them out I may never know, but they >>> eventually get to them. Anyway, it's a proud moment to be able to >>> show >>> the non-net world your photo Ray. Enjoy! >>> >>> --Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>> do not archive >>> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:53 AM PST US From: Marc Cook Subject: Re: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. Great post. In fact, I don't really watch the actual mag drop in rpm anymore, but instead just look for each cylinder's EGT to rise during one-mag operation. That tells me 98% of what I want to know. --Marc do not archive On Aug 9, 2007, at 6:16 AM, Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote: > > > Guys, I just wanted to share my recent experience of trouble > shooting a MAG drop I was having on my RV-10. > > [snip] > > The next evening, I thought why not start the engine, then > immediately switch to the right MAG and watch the Temps on Dynon > Engine Monitor to see which cylinder isn't firing. This was the > trick, by starting the engine and immediately switching to the bad > MAG, it didn't let the EGT's get very hot while the key-switch was > on BOTH after starting. Now I observed the EGT of 5 of the > cylinders were at 1200 degrees and climbing while my number #2 > Cylinder was at 600 degrees and dropping (because this Clyinder was > not firing when only on one MAG). > > Now that I knew #2 Bottom Plug was bad (285 hours on it), I change > it out and my problem was resolved. I then went back and looked at > the plug again, and most people I showed it to couldn't see > anything wrong with it, but the porclin insulator inside the plug > had a black residue (about the size of a pencil eraser end) on the > wall about half way down. This plug was arcing across from the > spring to the outer shell through the insulator instead of at the > tip of the plug. > > I learned a lot during all of this, like which MAG runs what Plugs > and that having an Engine Monitor on all Cylinders for CHT and EGT > is an awesome troubleshooting tool as well. Anyway I thought I > would share this with others that may not have grown up with these > Engines either. > > > Thank You > Ray Doerr > 40250 > N519RV (Hobbs=295) > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:29 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 How would you--and, for that matter, the rest of the community here-- > feel about this feature going to the web so that these entries are much > more real time? Or is it just that much cooler to actually see your > project on the page? You tell me. I personally think having it in a magazine will get more exposure, by default, versus the web.. the web one would need to login, look for completions, versus the magazine; one is already looking through it and "completions" is another section one goes through. Also many of your readers don't use the web. Magazine is a better option but that shouldn't stop the feature being added to the webpage as well. Thanks for the question Pascal Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Cook" Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:57 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 > > Interesting thought. Not sure I want to give up two or three full > features, but I agree we need to work down that backlog faster than we > have been. Part of the problem--and this will be familiar to anyone who > has been in the magazine biz--is that Completions acts as an accordion > section for us. When we receive last-minute ads, it's one of the places > that can accommodate them easily. We have one or two other places for > straggler ads but they're further forward in the book, and can require us > to move a bunch of pages forward to make the change. > > How would you--and, for that matter, the rest of the community here-- > feel about this feature going to the web so that these entries are much > more real time? Or is it just that much cooler to actually see your > project on the page? You tell me. > > --Marc > do not archive > > > On Aug 9, 2007, at 6:11 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> >> What's the chance of just adding 12 pages of completions per >> issue until it's caught up? Seems that there were only a >> handful of completions in most of the recent issues, so I can >> see why a backlog develops. But, without putting a bunch >> of pages in there and just biting the bullet, I don't know >> how it'll get caught up. The completions are actually the >> first thing I turn to, and one of the things I like the >> most about the magazine. It's great to see what and who >> is flying out there. In Ray's case, he's flown to OSH 2 years >> in a row before his came to print. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> Marc Cook wrote: >>> Well, we're working down quite a backlog...but we're getting there. >>> --Marc >>> On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>>> >>>> After months and months of waiting, we get to see Ray's completion >>>> listing in Sept 2007 Kitplanes. Why they can't just print the >>>> completions as they come and get them out I may never know, but they >>>> eventually get to them. Anyway, it's a proud moment to be able to show >>>> the non-net world your photo Ray. Enjoy! >>>> >>>> --Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>>> do not archive >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:50 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. From: John Jessen Nice post, Ray, and nice sleuthing. John J #40328 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:17 AM Subject: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. --> Guys, I just wanted to share my recent experience of trouble shooting a MAG drop I was having on my RV-10. I was flying back from my Canada trip and finished the first two legs without any issue. On my final leg I did the usual engine run-up to 1900 RPM and checked the MAG's. Right side dropped the usual 60-80 RPM while the Left dropped 120 RPM and the engine started to run rough. I leaned the crap out of it on the ground and it got a little better, so I decided to fly the last leg anyway. When I got back on the ground after running it for 2 hours LOP, I checked the MAG's before shutdown, and it was still dropping and running rough on the Left MAG. My friend, Brian Reiter came over and we pulled/cleaned/gapped the plugs because we were heading to Oshkosh the next day in the RV10. We also swapped the top plugs to the bottom and the bottom to the top. My plugs are all Unison UREM38E. The plugs did not look bad at all. After doing all of this, the MAG drop issue was gone. We flew to Osh, had a great time, and flew back and no problems with MAG drops. Then after putting another 3 hours on the plane, the MAG drops started on the Right MAG (notice before it was the Left MAG, but now the plugs were switched top for bottom). Now I started asking questions and tracing the MAG wires to the Plugs and this is what I learned. Right MAG runs the Top Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #2, 4, 6. Left MAG runs the Top Plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5. With this info, I knew which ones to start looking at. I had just cleaned all the top plugs again, since originally I thought the Right MAG ran all the Top Plugs (NOT), and they were all spotless. Then since the Right MAG also ran the Bottom plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6, I cleaned them again (in an ultrasonic bath) and they were spotless, the gap was fine. I re-installed the plugs with new copper washers and the Right MAG was still dropping 120 RPM and running rough. Time to go home for the day. The next evening, I thought why not start the engine, then immediately switch to the right MAG and watch the Temps on Dynon Engine Monitor to see which cylinder isn't firing. This was the trick, by starting the engine and immediately switching to the bad MAG, it didn't let the EGT's get very hot while the key-switch was on BOTH after starting. Now I observed the EGT of 5 of the cylinders were at 1200 degrees and climbing while my number #2 Cylinder was at 600 degrees and dropping (because this Clyinder was not firing when only on one MAG). Now that I knew #2 Bottom Plug was bad (285 hours on it), I change it out and my problem was resolved. I then went back and looked at the plug again, and most people I showed it to couldn't see anything wrong with it, but the porclin insulator inside the plug had a black residue (about the size of a pencil eraser end) on the wall about half way down. This plug was arcing across from the spring to the outer shell through the insulator instead of at the tip of the plug. I learned a lot during all of this, like which MAG runs what Plugs and that having an Engine Monitor on all Cylinders for CHT and EGT is an awesome troubleshooting tool as well. Anyway I thought I would share this with others that may not have grown up with these Engines either. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV (Hobbs=295) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:25 AM PST US From: Perry Casson-home Subject: RV10-List: cowl insulation Hi All, Before I run the engine with the cowling on I'm looking for ideas on how much thermal protection you guys have or wish you had put on the lower cowling to keep the exhaust heat from blistering the paint. On the last airplane I used this stuff http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/mufflerheatshieldkit.php glued on with hi-temp silicon and it worked real well. Perry Casson - getting ready for final inspection Regina Canada http://casson.2y.net/rv-10 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." I like the idea of both, but always look at the completion section in the paper copy. I look forward to not just the RV's being completed but all of the other interesting projects that are out there being built. This is how I made the determination of the kit company, by the number of actual planes being completed, of course Vans always shows up in there the most, but several other companies are now being represented and I would not have known about them without seeing them listed in that section. I know we all like the web and how it is becoming ubiquitous for all the information we need, but there is still something really cool about seeing friends plans show up in a paper magazine. Dan N289DT RV10E Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 How would you--and, for that matter, the rest of the community here-- > feel about this feature going to the web so that these entries are much > more real time? Or is it just that much cooler to actually see your > project on the page? You tell me. I personally think having it in a magazine will get more exposure, by default, versus the web.. the web one would need to login, look for completions, versus the magazine; one is already looking through it and "completions" is another section one goes through. Also many of your readers don't use the web. Magazine is a better option but that shouldn't stop the feature being added to the webpage as well. Thanks for the question Pascal Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Cook" Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:57 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 > > Interesting thought. Not sure I want to give up two or three full > features, but I agree we need to work down that backlog faster than we > have been. Part of the problem--and this will be familiar to anyone who > has been in the magazine biz--is that Completions acts as an accordion > section for us. When we receive last-minute ads, it's one of the places > that can accommodate them easily. We have one or two other places for > straggler ads but they're further forward in the book, and can require us > to move a bunch of pages forward to make the change. > > How would you--and, for that matter, the rest of the community here-- > feel about this feature going to the web so that these entries are much > more real time? Or is it just that much cooler to actually see your > project on the page? You tell me. > > --Marc > do not archive > > > On Aug 9, 2007, at 6:11 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> >> What's the chance of just adding 12 pages of completions per >> issue until it's caught up? Seems that there were only a >> handful of completions in most of the recent issues, so I can >> see why a backlog develops. But, without putting a bunch >> of pages in there and just biting the bullet, I don't know >> how it'll get caught up. The completions are actually the >> first thing I turn to, and one of the things I like the >> most about the magazine. It's great to see what and who >> is flying out there. In Ray's case, he's flown to OSH 2 years >> in a row before his came to print. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> Marc Cook wrote: >>> Well, we're working down quite a backlog...but we're getting there. >>> --Marc >>> On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>>> >>>> After months and months of waiting, we get to see Ray's completion >>>> listing in Sept 2007 Kitplanes. Why they can't just print the >>>> completions as they come and get them out I may never know, but they >>>> eventually get to them. Anyway, it's a proud moment to be able to show >>>> the non-net world your photo Ray. Enjoy! >>>> >>>> --Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>>> do not archive >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:49 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. I love hearing about these type of events! THANKS for taking the time to post this. For me it was very educational and well within the context and framework of what I've come to hope for and expect from the RV10 community. GOOD Job !. For most of us still building, the events that can/will occur when flying are still unknown, and tips and experience like this related goes a long way to keeping the 'fleet' healthy. Deems Davis #406 :"it;s all done.... just not put together yet!" of keeping us a Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote: > > Guys, I just wanted to share my recent experience of trouble shooting a MAG drop I was having on my RV-10. > > I was flying back from my Canada trip and finished the first two legs without any issue. On my final leg I did the usual engine run-up to 1900 RPM and checked the MAG's. Right side dropped the usual 60-80 RPM while the Left dropped 120 RPM and the engine started to run rough. I leaned the crap out of it on the ground and it got a little better, so I decided to fly the last leg anyway. When I got back on the ground after running it for 2 hours LOP, I checked the MAG's before shutdown, and it was still dropping and running rough on the Left MAG. > > My friend, Brian Reiter came over and we pulled/cleaned/gapped the plugs because we were heading to Oshkosh the next day in the RV10. We also swapped the top plugs to the bottom and the bottom to the top. My plugs are all Unison UREM38E. The plugs did not look bad at all. After doing all of this, the MAG drop issue was gone. We flew to Osh, had a great time, and flew back and no problems with MAG drops. Then after putting another 3 hours on the plane, the MAG drops started on the Right MAG (notice before it was the Left MAG, but now the plugs were switched top for bottom). Now I started asking questions and tracing the MAG wires to the Plugs and this is what I learned. > > Right MAG runs the Top Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #2, 4, 6. > > Left MAG runs the Top Plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5. > > With this info, I knew which ones to start looking at. I had just cleaned all the top plugs again, since originally I thought the Right MAG ran all the Top Plugs (NOT), and they were all spotless. Then since the Right MAG also ran the Bottom plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6, I cleaned them again (in an ultrasonic bath) and they were spotless, the gap was fine. I re-installed the plugs with new copper washers and the Right MAG was still dropping 120 RPM and running rough. Time to go home for the day. > > The next evening, I thought why not start the engine, then immediately switch to the right MAG and watch the Temps on Dynon Engine Monitor to see which cylinder isn't firing. This was the trick, by starting the engine and immediately switching to the bad MAG, it didn't let the EGT's get very hot while the key-switch was on BOTH after starting. Now I observed the EGT of 5 of the cylinders were at 1200 degrees and climbing while my number #2 Cylinder was at 600 degrees and dropping (because this Clyinder was not firing when only on one MAG). > > Now that I knew #2 Bottom Plug was bad (285 hours on it), I change it out and my problem was resolved. I then went back and looked at the plug again, and most people I showed it to couldn't see anything wrong with it, but the porclin insulator inside the plug had a black residue (about the size of a pencil eraser end) on the wall about half way down. This plug was arcing across from the spring to the outer shell through the insulator instead of at the tip of the plug. > > I learned a lot during all of this, like which MAG runs what Plugs and that having an Engine Monitor on all Cylinders for CHT and EGT is an awesome troubleshooting tool as well. Anyway I thought I would share this with others that may not have grown up with these Engines either. > > > Thank You > Ray Doerr > 40250 > N519RV (Hobbs=295) > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:11 AM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Grease I don't have my manual with me but I do know it calls to insert the grease from one side (leading edge or trailing edge of prop blade). =0ANot sure i f that makes a big difference but you might as well follow the directions e xactly. Can someone verify that? =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yaho o.com=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Kelly McMullen =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 5:53:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Grease=0A=0AMost of them come wi th a decal specifying the grease, usually Aeroshell 6, you remove two of th e 4 zerk fittings and pump gently until grease appears at the opposite zerk you removed (same side of hub). Do not force it at all. You do not want gr ease coming out the prop blade seals..it will start a leak. =0A=0A=0AOn 8/9 /07, Marcus Cooper wrote:=0A--> RV10-List message pos ted by: "Marcus Cooper" =0A=0ADoes anyone have handy t he guidance on greasing the Hartzell prop hub?=0ASpecifically which grease ================ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:12 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Additional Hardware / Items required for FWF Kit? From: "AirMike" I am at the same point as Michael W. Ordered same pkg. I think that I will delete the Oil Cooler from the FWF kit from Vans ($260 credt) and get the Airflow Oil Cooler. I am in Nevada and hope that the Airflow unit keeps the oil temps lower. Any experience out there with the airflow in hot climates. How bout a bit of help on what else we might need???? -------- OSH '08 or Bust Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128286#128286 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." Ray Great write up and outstanding technical troubleshooting. These types of stories should be collected and archived so that we all can learn from each others experiences. I have heard many people having this same problem and spending large amounts of money to get it corrected. Nice, easy and well thought out solution. THX for sharing Dan N289DT RV10E Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. Guys, I just wanted to share my recent experience of trouble shooting a MAG drop I was having on my RV-10. I was flying back from my Canada trip and finished the first two legs without any issue. On my final leg I did the usual engine run-up to 1900 RPM and checked the MAG's. Right side dropped the usual 60-80 RPM while the Left dropped 120 RPM and the engine started to run rough. I leaned the crap out of it on the ground and it got a little better, so I decided to fly the last leg anyway. When I got back on the ground after running it for 2 hours LOP, I checked the MAG's before shutdown, and it was still dropping and running rough on the Left MAG. My friend, Brian Reiter came over and we pulled/cleaned/gapped the plugs because we were heading to Oshkosh the next day in the RV10. We also swapped the top plugs to the bottom and the bottom to the top. My plugs are all Unison UREM38E. The plugs did not look bad at all. After doing all of this, the MAG drop issue was gone. We flew to Osh, had a great time, and flew back and no problems with MAG drops. Then after putting another 3 hours on the plane, the MAG drops started on the Right MAG (notice before it was the Left MAG, but now the plugs were switched top for bottom). Now I started asking questions and tracing the MAG wires to the Plugs and this is what I learned. Right MAG runs the Top Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #2, 4, 6. Left MAG runs the Top Plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5. With this info, I knew which ones to start looking at. I had just cleaned all the top plugs again, since originally I thought the Right MAG ran all the Top Plugs (NOT), and they were all spotless. Then since the Right MAG also ran the Bottom plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6, I cleaned them again (in an ultrasonic bath) and they were spotless, the gap was fine. I re-installed the plugs with new copper washers and the Right MAG was still dropping 120 RPM and running rough. Time to go home for the day. The next evening, I thought why not start the engine, then immediately switch to the right MAG and watch the Temps on Dynon Engine Monitor to see which cylinder isn't firing. This was the trick, by starting the engine and immediately switching to the bad MAG, it didn't let the EGT's get very hot while the key-switch was on BOTH after starting. Now I observed the EGT of 5 of the cylinders were at 1200 degrees and climbing while my number #2 Cylinder was at 600 degrees and dropping (because this Clyinder was not firing when only on one MAG). Now that I knew #2 Bottom Plug was bad (285 hours on it), I change it out and my problem was resolved. I then went back and looked at the plug again, and most people I showed it to couldn't see anything wrong with it, but the porclin insulator inside the plug had a black residue (about the size of a pencil eraser end) on the wall about half way down. This plug was arcing across from the spring to the outer shell through the insulator instead of at the tip of the plug. I learned a lot during all of this, like which MAG runs what Plugs and that having an Engine Monitor on all Cylinders for CHT and EGT is an awesome troubleshooting tool as well. Anyway I thought I would share this with others that may not have grown up with these Engines either. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV (Hobbs=295) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:14 AM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Additional Hardware / Items required for FWF Kit? Here are a few additional items I purchased for the FWF. =0A I ordered 6 of the eyeball devices http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/eyeballf w.php for the prop, throttle and mixture control as well as my electronic i gnition. =0AI then ordered 2 or 3 of these for taking wires through the fi rewall. Just order the largest if you use them.They are expensive but they are nice. http://www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html=0AI also upgraded my he ater vents the stainless version http://www.epm-avcorp.com/ssdiv.html=0A =0AHere is a shot of the eyeball devices I used. =0Ahttp://www.scottandran ae.smugmug.com/gallery/518426#53556340=0A =0AYou mainly just have to consid er the things you are going to put on the firewall to get all the wires and cables through. =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 From: Dj Merrill Marc Cook wrote: > How would you--and, for that matter, the rest of the community > here--feel about this feature going to the web so that these entries are > much more real time? Or is it just that much cooler to actually see your > project on the page? You tell me. Definitely prefer to keep it in the magazine. Also having it on the web is a great idea! Thanks, -Dj ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:48 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. Awesome that you took the time to write that up Ray, you did just great on your troubleshooting. What I've learned over the past years is that the RPM drop is usually (not always) pretty irrelevant to the run-up, but more importantly that you're getting near normal RPM's, and that it runs smooth, and especially that you don't see any cylinders dropping in EGT with the mag off. You're absolutely correct that on a 2-mag system the system is wired so that the plugs are split top and bottom across the mags, so it isn't as simple as Right mag on top, Left on bottom, or vice versa...it's all mixed up as you listed below. But, for those of us who have Lightspeed ignitions, normally we're set up so that the top plugs are the automotive plugs, and those are run by the Right mag (which is actually the LSE), so the Left mag runs all the bottom plugs. It's perhaps a simpler layout, but either should be easy to troubleshoot. Your plug failure was one of those fairly rare occurances, but proves that you must inspect the entire plug. It would be interesting to hear if you've ever dropped the plug, because I've heard that if you drop an aviation plug, you are best off just throwing it away. (not insinuating that you did, just illustrating how important it is for everyone to be careful with your plugs) The most common failure I've seen (not on my RV-10) is to see a pile of crusty lava looking gunk in the lower plugs, down at the base of the insulator. All that fouling eventually piles up until it shorts or runs bad. It should be fully cleaned out perhaps every 50-100 hours when you yank the plugs. (Tip: Buy the el-cheapo Harbor freight spark plug bead-blasting cleaner and it works great after you chip some of the stuff manually) My most recent troubleshooting was when a nice young lady (it's always nice to help those. ;) ) came to our airport and after parking all day, had a rough running engine. Nobody was around at the FBO to help, and she got on the cell phone (constantly) to call the people back at her flying club or FBO for advice. I told her I could help troubleshoot the glass-cockpit equipped piper and bet we could find the problem quickly. All I had to do was have her run it up and do a mag drop. When she selected one of the mags, the EGT on one cylinder dropped way down to nothing....ah ha, then you know the plug and the mag, right away. Although those on the phone were unsure they should trust a goofy looking chubby bald guy with their plane, she let me pull the plug and we found just a tiny salt-grain sized piece of stuff between the center and side electrodes. I cleaned the plug thoroughly, put on a new gasket and anti-seize, and it was installed and running great in minutes and she and the club was very greatful when she arrived safely home. The moral of the story is, we have a HUGE benefit over our normal certificated brothers in that we can install some of the nicest engine monitoring equipment around, that would cost a lot for them to install. Using that equipment makes troubleshooting such problems a breeze. Also, in reading a recent article about TAA (Technically Advanced Aircraft) it was stated that one area where TAA's have virtually dropped a common problem out of existence is fuel starvation problems, all because of the fuel totalizer and integrated flight range displays. Anyway, sorry for being long, but you did a great job identifying the issues and opened the door to educating a lot of people, so that's a great story for you to share. PS: Always carry a spare plug (I carry one of each type). Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote: > > Guys, I just wanted to share my recent experience of trouble shooting a MAG drop I was having on my RV-10. > > I was flying back from my Canada trip and finished the first two legs without any issue. On my final leg I did the usual engine run-up to 1900 RPM and checked the MAG's. Right side dropped the usual 60-80 RPM while the Left dropped 120 RPM and the engine started to run rough. I leaned the crap out of it on the ground and it got a little better, so I decided to fly the last leg anyway. When I got back on the ground after running it for 2 hours LOP, I checked the MAG's before shutdown, and it was still dropping and running rough on the Left MAG. > > My friend, Brian Reiter came over and we pulled/cleaned/gapped the plugs because we were heading to Oshkosh the next day in the RV10. We also swapped the top plugs to the bottom and the bottom to the top. My plugs are all Unison UREM38E. The plugs did not look bad at all. After doing all of this, the MAG drop issue was gone. We flew to Osh, had a great time, and flew back and no problems with MAG drops. Then after putting another 3 hours on the plane, the MAG drops started on the Right MAG (notice before it was the Left MAG, but now the plugs were switched top for bottom). Now I started asking questions and tracing the MAG wires to the Plugs and this is what I learned. > > Right MAG runs the Top Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #2, 4, 6. > > Left MAG runs the Top Plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6 and the Bottom Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5. > > With this info, I knew which ones to start looking at. I had just cleaned all the top plugs again, since originally I thought the Right MAG ran all the Top Plugs (NOT), and they were all spotless. Then since the Right MAG also ran the Bottom plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6, I cleaned them again (in an ultrasonic bath) and they were spotless, the gap was fine. I re-installed the plugs with new copper washers and the Right MAG was still dropping 120 RPM and running rough. Time to go home for the day. > > The next evening, I thought why not start the engine, then immediately switch to the right MAG and watch the Temps on Dynon Engine Monitor to see which cylinder isn't firing. This was the trick, by starting the engine and immediately switching to the bad MAG, it didn't let the EGT's get very hot while the key-switch was on BOTH after starting. Now I observed the EGT of 5 of the cylinders were at 1200 degrees and climbing while my number #2 Cylinder was at 600 degrees and dropping (because this Clyinder was not firing when only on one MAG). > > Now that I knew #2 Bottom Plug was bad (285 hours on it), I change it out and my problem was resolved. I then went back and looked at the plug again, and most people I showed it to couldn't see anything wrong with it, but the porclin insulator inside the plug had a black residue (about the size of a pencil eraser end) on the wall about half way down. This plug was arcing across from the spring to the outer shell through the insulator instead of at the tip of the plug. > > I learned a lot during all of this, like which MAG runs what Plugs and that having an Engine Monitor on all Cylinders for CHT and EGT is an awesome troubleshooting tool as well. Anyway I thought I would share this with others that may not have grown up with these Engines either. > > > > Thank You > Ray Doerr > 40250 > N519RV (Hobbs=295) > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:55 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: cowl insulation Van's sells some good self-stick aluminum foil that is great for lining the lower cowl with. No paint blisters. Also, it's a good idea to thin out some epoxy and brush it on the lower cowl to fill all the voids and areas where oils can absorb. This also leaves a good surface for the self-stick to adhere. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Perry Casson-home wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Before I run the engine with the cowling on Im looking for ideas on how > much thermal protection you guys have or wish you had put on the lower > cowling to keep the exhaust heat from blistering the paint. > > > > On the last airplane I used this stuff > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/mufflerheatshieldkit.php > glued on with hi-temp silicon and it worked real well. > > > > Perry Casson - getting ready for final inspection > > Regina Canada > > http://casson.2y.net/rv-10 > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:16 AM PST US From: Sam Marlow Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Grease I just talked to the factory a couple of weeks ago, they said 1oz, from front to back, per side per /year! /Grease type is Shell as specified in the manual. Marcus Cooper wrote: > > Does anyone have handy the guidance on greasing the Hartzell prop hub? > Specifically which grease and any application guidance beyond squirt it in > the port until it shoots everywhere? > > Thanks, > Marcus > 40286 > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:24 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. This is a common failure mode for plugs that got dropped. I got some advice on what to do with dropped plugs. If you drop a plug, pick it up and drop it again ...... real hard ...... and then trash it. Don't re-use a plug that's been dropped. I don't anymore. Linn do not archive >--> > > Guys, I just wanted to share my recent experience of trouble >shooting a MAG drop I was having on my RV-10. > > I was flying back from my Canada trip and finished the first two >legs without any issue. On my final leg I did the usual engine run-up to >1900 RPM and checked the MAG's. Right side dropped the usual 60-80 RPM >while the Left dropped 120 RPM and the engine started to run rough. I >leaned the crap out of it on the ground and it got a little better, so I >decided to fly the last leg anyway. When I got back on the ground after >running it for 2 hours LOP, I checked the MAG's before shutdown, and it was >still dropping and running rough on the Left MAG. > > My friend, Brian Reiter came over and we pulled/cleaned/gapped the >plugs because we were heading to Oshkosh the next day in the RV10. We also >swapped the top plugs to the bottom and the bottom to the top. My plugs are >all Unison UREM38E. The plugs did not look bad at all. After doing all of >this, the MAG drop issue was gone. We flew to Osh, had a great time, and >flew back and no problems with MAG drops. Then after putting another 3 >hours on the plane, the MAG drops started on the Right MAG (notice before it >was the Left MAG, but now the plugs were switched top for bottom). Now I >started asking questions and tracing the MAG wires to the Plugs and this is >what I learned. > > Right MAG runs the Top Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5 and the Bottom >Plugs for Cylinder #2, 4, 6. > > Left MAG runs the Top Plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6 and the Bottom >Plugs for Cylinder #1, 3, 5. > > With this info, I knew which ones to start looking at. I had just >cleaned all the top plugs again, since originally I thought the Right MAG >ran all the Top Plugs (NOT), and they were all spotless. Then since the >Right MAG also ran the Bottom plugs of Cylinder #2, 4, 6, I cleaned them >again (in an ultrasonic bath) and they were spotless, the gap was fine. I >re-installed the plugs with new copper washers and the Right MAG was still >dropping 120 RPM and running rough. Time to go home for the day. > > The next evening, I thought why not start the engine, then >immediately switch to the right MAG and watch the Temps on Dynon Engine >Monitor to see which cylinder isn't firing. This was the trick, by starting >the engine and immediately switching to the bad MAG, it didn't let the EGT's >get very hot while the key-switch was on BOTH after starting. Now I >observed the EGT of 5 of the cylinders were at 1200 degrees and climbing >while my number #2 Cylinder was at 600 degrees and dropping (because this >Clyinder was not firing when only on one MAG). > > Now that I knew #2 Bottom Plug was bad (285 hours on it), I change >it out and my problem was resolved. I then went back and looked at the plug >again, and most people I showed it to couldn't see anything wrong with it, >but the porclin insulator inside the plug had a black residue (about the >size of a pencil eraser end) on the wall about half way down. This plug was >arcing across from the spring to the outer shell through the insulator >instead of at the tip of the plug. > > I learned a lot during all of this, like which MAG runs what Plugs >and that having an Engine Monitor on all Cylinders for CHT and EGT is an >awesome troubleshooting tool as well. Anyway I thought I would share this >with others that may not have grown up with these Engines either. > > >Thank You >Ray Doerr >40250 >N519RV (Hobbs=295) > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:25 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Prop Grease Thanks for all the responses, great information from everyone. For anyone else that may need it, I found the Hartzell service letter on this and have attached it. Marcus 40286 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Grease Most of them come with a decal specifying the grease, usually Aeroshell 6, you remove two of the 4 zerk fittings and pump gently until grease appears at the opposite zerk you removed (same side of hub). Do not force it at all. You do not want grease coming out the prop blade seals..it will start a leak. On 8/9/07, Marcus Cooper wrote: Does anyone have handy the guidance on greasing the Hartzell prop hub? Specifically which grease and any application guidance beyond squirt it in ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:21 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Prop Grease An important thing is. don't try to purge the old grease with new grease by continually pumping grease through to the opposite side. This will invariably go over the back of the bearing and start filling the hub. Vibration and pesky leaks will follow. I have attached the volume from the Hartzell standard practices concerning current practice and some other detail for balance and storage. John 40315 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Friday, 10 August 2007 8:06 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Prop Grease Thanks for all the responses, great information from everyone. For anyone else that may need it, I found the Hartzell service letter on this and have attached it. Marcus 40286 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop Grease Most of them come with a decal specifying the grease, usually Aeroshell 6, you remove two of the 4 zerk fittings and pump gently until grease appears at the opposite zerk you removed (same side of hub). Do not force it at all. You do not want grease coming out the prop blade seals..it will start a leak. On 8/9/07, Marcus Cooper wrote: Does anyone have handy the guidance on greasing the Hartzell prop hub? Specifically which grease and any application guidance beyond squirt it in ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:10 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 Nothing beats being "published" in the real world. Nothing like holding the pages in ones hand. How about a special issue dedicated to completions and expanded coverage of some personal stories, and include everybody up till now that has not been published. Oh, and thanks to all on the Andair valve discussion! -Chris Lucas #40072 coming up on 4 years (as of 10/2007) of slowly but surely construction. Maybe I'll see my picture in a 2009 issue. Why hurry its the road not the destination. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Cook" Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 > > Interesting thought. Not sure I want to give up two or three full > features, but I agree we need to work down that backlog faster than we > have been. Part of the problem--and this will be familiar to anyone who > has been in the magazine biz--is that Completions acts as an accordion > section for us. When we receive last-minute ads, it's one of the places > that can accommodate them easily. We have one or two other places for > straggler ads but they're further forward in the book, and can require us > to move a bunch of pages forward to make the change. > > How would you--and, for that matter, the rest of the community here-- > feel about this feature going to the web so that these entries are much > more real time? Or is it just that much cooler to actually see your > project on the page? You tell me. > > --Marc > do not archive > > > On Aug 9, 2007, at 6:11 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> >> What's the chance of just adding 12 pages of completions per >> issue until it's caught up? Seems that there were only a >> handful of completions in most of the recent issues, so I can >> see why a backlog develops. But, without putting a bunch >> of pages in there and just biting the bullet, I don't know >> how it'll get caught up. The completions are actually the >> first thing I turn to, and one of the things I like the >> most about the magazine. It's great to see what and who >> is flying out there. In Ray's case, he's flown to OSH 2 years >> in a row before his came to print. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> Marc Cook wrote: >>> Well, we're working down quite a backlog...but we're getting there. >>> --Marc >>> On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>>> >>>> After months and months of waiting, we get to see Ray's completion >>>> listing in Sept 2007 Kitplanes. Why they can't just print the >>>> completions as they come and get them out I may never know, but they >>>> eventually get to them. Anyway, it's a proud moment to be able to show >>>> the non-net world your photo Ray. Enjoy! >>>> >>>> --Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>>> do not archive >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:34 PM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 While it's always interesting to see what is being completed and by who, if it gives us another feature per issue I wouldn't mind going to the website to see completions. Now if it makes space for more ads, no thanks. Michael Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Cook Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Congrats to Ray - Kitplanes Sept 2007 Interesting thought. Not sure I want to give up two or three full features, but I agree we need to work down that backlog faster than we have been. Part of the problem--and this will be familiar to anyone who has been in the magazine biz--is that Completions acts as an accordion section for us. When we receive last-minute ads, it's one of the places that can accommodate them easily. We have one or two other places for straggler ads but they're further forward in the book, and can require us to move a bunch of pages forward to make the change. How would you--and, for that matter, the rest of the community here-- feel about this feature going to the web so that these entries are much more real time? Or is it just that much cooler to actually see your project on the page? You tell me. --Marc do not archive On Aug 9, 2007, at 6:11 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > What's the chance of just adding 12 pages of completions per > issue until it's caught up? Seems that there were only a > handful of completions in most of the recent issues, so I can > see why a backlog develops. But, without putting a bunch > of pages in there and just biting the bullet, I don't know > how it'll get caught up. The completions are actually the > first thing I turn to, and one of the things I like the > most about the magazine. It's great to see what and who > is flying out there. In Ray's case, he's flown to OSH 2 years > in a row before his came to print. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Marc Cook wrote: >> Well, we're working down quite a backlog...but we're getting there. >> --Marc >> On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>> >>> After months and months of waiting, we get to see Ray's >>> completion listing in Sept 2007 Kitplanes. Why they can't just >>> print the >>> completions as they come and get them out I may never know, but they >>> eventually get to them. Anyway, it's a proud moment to be able to >>> show >>> the non-net world your photo Ray. Enjoy! >>> >>> --Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>> do not archive >>> > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:23 PM PST US From: "Richard Sipp" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Troubleshooting a MAG drop. Good job Ray, On the old RV-4, my standard practice was to switch the engine monitor to the expanded/normalized EGT mode for the runup and mag check. Normal indication on ether single mag by itself would be a relatively uniform rise in all EGTs due to slower combustion process with one ignition source. Any abnormal cylinder becomes readily apparent. With a single electronic ignition, the change will not be as dramatic but should still register. Dick Sipp RV10 N110DV ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:52 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Best way to trim the door? From: "nick@nleonard.com" For those of you that have already fitted the doors to the frame, what did you do to get a good (45 degree?) angle on the door frame. Did anybody try to route it? Trying to do it with a hand tool seems a little rough or does that work well enough? I could use some good suggestions here before I mess things up. 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