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1. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Flush door latch (gary)
2. 09:33 AM - Avery Tool Customer Service (Sheldon Olesen)
3. 04:18 PM - Helicopter.....try it ! (McGANN, Ron)
4. 06:31 PM - Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions (Byron Gillespie)
5. 07:53 PM - Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions (dogsbark@comcast.net)
6. 08:00 PM - Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions (John W. Cox)
7. 08:04 PM - fun stuff (dogsbark@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Flush door latch |
Part of the ugliness of Van's latches is the inside handle. IMHO if you make that
look as pretty as your outside, and it locks in flight you will have a winner.
Gary
40274
Wiring OP panel
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Flush door latch
I've got to admit, I got my inspiration from the handles offered by Hendricks mfg.
and another from overseas. I was to be a customer but I was disappointed on
the size of the handle and lack of adaptability to our specific application.
So I drew up a handle meeting several criteria.
first, I wanted the profile to fit within the door, (1" thick)
second, I didn't want to modify the vans interior handle and latch/lock assembly.
Everything inside the door is as vans intended. Especially the inside
lock.
third, I wanted to make it specifically for the rv10, not a generic "make it
work" kind of part...
fourth, I wanted the exterior handle placed in the rear of the door where I
climb up to ease access.
Additional considerations were also (kiss), ambidextrous parts (all but one!),
the ability to add key cylinders, and the ability to add the handle to a flying
aircraft as easily as one during construction.
Oh by the way, we build airplanes by gosh, so I expect everyone to take the handles
apart, so I include an extra spring and bearing....:)
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
716.579.5790
(sorry if this sounded like a commercial but I had a few emails already asking
what makes mine different)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick@nleonard.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flush door latch
Rob,
I ended up using the ACS Experimental Door Handles which uses the same billet style as the others. Its made by Hendricks Manufacturing; http://www.hendricksmfg.com/latchprod.html
and I now see that you can buy them direct for less than what I paid at ACS. Go
figure.
The outside flush mount came out very nicely, although the full-size template that
came with the unit isnt really full-size. It was actually easier to just
do a layout, centering the pivot point with the handle opening recess of the door.
That part of the installation was easy and came out very nicely. The outside
flush handles will look great. However, it was the looks of the inside
handles that I couldnt stand and prompted the change.
Hendricks cautions you not to take the units apart. There is a small spring and
ball bearing that is used for the detent that needs to be captured. Im not
sure I could have fit the unit without taking it apart but putting it back together
while on the plane will be more challenging than if it was out on the bench.
However, it is certainly doable.
I used the inside handles (I needed to reverse them side for side) and created
a fiberglass cover that will protect the handle from being accidentally opened
while it also covers the fiberglass that I had to cut out of the door (most of
the handle recess area). You lose the button locking functionality with these
handles which isnt an issue on the outside but needs a solution on the inside
so that someone doesnt accidentally yank it open while in flight. My fiberglass
covers will protect the handles sufficiently so that there are no exposed
edges of the handles to be caught.
Because the pivoting offset of the new handles is different than Vans, I couldnt
see how to use the original geared arrangement. I used the same pushrod tubing
but created a pivot point near the outside of the door. I also put a second
nylon block just inside of the original locations to support greater alignment
surface of the push pins.
I also used the Door Guide and Pin Set from Rivethead, http://www.rivethead-aero.com/rv10_005.htm
which I think will work out very well. There are no instructions for how to blind
mount the guides (drilled and screwed from the back) which I havent decided
on a solution yet. They are also thicker then the door opening, so I will either
need to mill them down or relieve them into the fiberglass door jam.
It took a lot of extra time to figure out how to adapt the pushrods which Steve
has done with flat stock in his door handle solution.
http://www.iflyrv10.com/iflyrv10/index.html
I dont see what he proposes for inside door handles but I like the rest of his
approach and it would probably be the approach I would select if I were to so
it over again. Using the tubular stock for push rods required that I buy eight
rod end bearings (at $9 apiece) to thread into the tubes for pivot points.
A side comment; the Hendricks door locks are way too big (sticking out). Im going
to try to adapt the locks used on the baggage door which will add the advantage
of them all being keyed the same.
Otherwise, I love the look of the flush outside handles. I miss the button release
feature for the inside handles and I love the Door Guide and Pin sets. It
reminded me once again of how much extra time it takes to change away form anything
that is not on the plans.
Nick (40015, finish kit)
C: 916-425-1064 Nick@NLeonard.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128967#128967
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| Subject: | Avery Tool Customer Service |
I just wanted to highlight Bob Avery's commitment to customer
service. I ordered an extension wrench from Avery Tool at Oshkosh
so I could torque my propeller bolts. Unfortunately, Avery Tool sold
out all of them and couldn't deliver one for 2 months. Just as I
was starting to search for a new vendor I got an email from
Bob offering the use of their prototype extension wrench. I readily
accepted the offer and Bob even paid the postage both ways. The
wrench arrived yesterday, I torqued the bolts last night and the
wrench is back in the mail to be used by two other builders with the
same problem.
Thanks Bob!
Sheldon Olesen
#40080 Cowling and Baffling
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| Subject: | Helicopter.....try it ! |
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| Subject: | Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions |
Awfully quiet out there.. I guess I should have mentioned "alternative
engines" or "primer" to stir the pot :-).
Still haven't heard anything from Vans - will try and call them
tomorrow. Sure thought that some you would have some suggestions.
Byron
N253RV assigned - to HOT to work down here!!
Question for you folks..
I received my panel two weeks ago (super job Stein!) and have run into a
bit of a snag. I am using a canted center panel that sucks up a little
more cable length than the standard panel. By my calculations I need
about 2 to 2.5 inches for each cable. The options that I am looking at
are:
1. Buy new cables from Aircraft Spruce - that would leave me with
up to 10 inches of extra cable to "route away" plus the cost of the
cables.
* Secondary question is the FFW cables appear to be A-760 cables
whereas others from Wicks and ACS are A-750 - Any idea what the
difference is??
2. Purchase "custom" cable lengths at the price of ~ $ 130 each -
still would be the A-750 cables
3. Investigate the Van's Quadrant - like Tim has. Still may have the
same length issue but could order custom lengths from Vans. Are the
cables the same length for the quadrant?
I have sent an e-mail to Vans with the same questions but thought it may
be good idea to question the experts who have gone before. :-)
Thanks for any info!
Byron
N253RV assigned - still finishing..connecting the panel to the "stuff".
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| Subject: | Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions |
Hey Byron,
It took a few days for me to hear from Van's regarding the bent nose gear I have.
Good news....they are sending a replacement and I don't even have to send
the original back.
Please let us know what you figure out on the cables. I too am interested in the
canted panel.
Thanks everyone for your responses.
Sean Blair
#40225
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
Awfully quiet out there.. I guess I should have mentioned alternative engines or
primer to stir the pot J.
Still havent heard anything from Vans will try and call them tomorrow. Sure thought
that some you would have some suggestions.
Byron
N253RV assigned to HOT to work down here!!
Question for you folks.
I received my panel two weeks ago (super job Stein!) and have run into a bit of
a snag. I am using a canted center panel that sucks up a little more cable length
than the standard panel. By my calculations I need about 2 to 2.5 inches
for each cable. The options that I am looking at are:
1. Buy new cables from Aircraft Spruce that would leave me with up to 10
inches of extra cable to route away plus the cost of the cables.
Secondary question is the FFW cables appear to be A-760 cables whereas
others from Wicks and ACS are A-750 Any idea what the difference is??
2. Purchase custom cable lengths at the price of ~ $ 130 each still would
be the A-750 cables
3. Investigate the Vans Quadrant like Tim has. Still may have the same length
issue but could order custom lengths from Vans. Are the cables the same length
for the quadrant?
I have sent an e-mail to Vans with the same questions but thought it may be good
idea to question the experts who have gone before. J
Thanks for any info!
Byron
N253RV assigned still finishingconnecting the panel to the stuff.
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<DIV>Hey Byron, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It took a few days for me to hear from Van's regarding the bent nose gear
I have. Good news....they are sending a replacement and I don't even have
to send the original back. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please let us know what you figure out on the cables. I too am interested
in the canted panel.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks everyone for your responses. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sean Blair</DIV>
<DIV>#40225</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV class=Section1><PRE><B><FONT face="Courier New" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Awfully quiet out there..
I guess I should have mentioned alternative engines or primer to stir the pot
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Still
havent heard anything from Vans will try and call them tomorrow. Sure thought
that some you would have some suggestions.</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE><B><FONT
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navy">N253RV assigned to HOT to work down here!!</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE
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bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"> </SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE><B><FONT
face="Courier New" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold;
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">I received my panel two weeks ago (super job
Stein!) and have run into a bit of a snag. I am using a canted center panel that
sucks up a little more cable length than the standard panel. By my calculations
I need about 2 to 2.5 inches for each cable. The options that I am looking
at are:</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face="Courier
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR:
navy">Buy new cables from Aircraft Spruce that would leave me with up
to 10 inches of extra cable to route away plus the cost of the cables. </SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.25in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><FONT
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</SPAN></FONT><B><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: navy">Secondary question is the FFW cables
appear to be A-760 cables whereas others fro
m Wick
s and ACS are A-750 Any idea what the difference is??</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE
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style="COLOR: navy">Purchase custom cable lengths at the price of ~ $ 130
each still would be the A-750 cables</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE style="MARGIN-LEFT:
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le="COLOR: navy">Investigate the Vans Quadrant like Tim has. Still may have the
same length issue but could order custom lengths from Vans. Are the cables the
same length for the quadrant?</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE><B><FONT face="Courier
New" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy"> </SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE><B><FONT face="Courier New" color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">I
have sent an e-mail to Vans with the same questions but thought it may be good
idea to question the experts who have gone before. </SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT
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OR: navy">Thanks for any info!</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE><B><FONT face="Courier
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navy"> </SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE><B><FONT face="Courier New" color=navy
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">N253RV assigned
still finishingconnecting the panel to the stuff.</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE>
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| Subject: | Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions |
I believe I can better the cost on your cables and have them made to
exact length. Contact me offline as I have a connection with the firm
that builds them for VANS. I am still reeling from an awesome Garmin
presentation on the G900 that Paul Grimstad and I sat through earlier
today.
John Cox
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Byron
Gillespie
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions
Awfully quiet out there.. I guess I should have mentioned "alternative
engines" or "primer" to stir the pot :-).
Still haven't heard anything from Vans - will try and call them
tomorrow. Sure thought that some you would have some suggestions.
Byron
N253RV assigned - to HOT to work down here!!
Question for you folks....
I received my panel two weeks ago (super job Stein!) and have run into a
bit of a snag. I am using a canted center panel that sucks up a little
more cable length than the standard panel. By my calculations I need
about 2 to 2.5 inches for each cable. The options that I am looking at
are:
1. Buy new cables from Aircraft Spruce - that would leave me with
up to 10 inches of extra cable to "route away" plus the cost of the
cables.
* Secondary question is the FFW cables appear to be A-760 cables
whereas others from Wicks and ACS are A-750 - Any idea what the
difference is??
2. Purchase "custom" cable lengths at the price of ~ $ 130 each -
still would be the A-750 cables
3. Investigate the Van's Quadrant - like Tim has. Still may have the
same length issue but could order custom lengths from Vans. Are the
cables the same length for the quadrant?
I have sent an e-mail to Vans with the same questions but thought it may
be good idea to question the experts who have gone before. :-)
Thanks for any info!
Byron
N253RV assigned - still finishing......connecting the panel to the
"stuff".
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I stumbled across this page and enjoyed it.
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