---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/14/07: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Flush door latch (gary) 2. 09:33 AM - Avery Tool Customer Service (Sheldon Olesen) 3. 04:18 PM - Helicopter.....try it ! (McGANN, Ron) 4. 06:31 PM - Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions (Byron Gillespie) 5. 07:53 PM - Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions (dogsbark@comcast.net) 6. 08:00 PM - Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions (John W. Cox) 7. 08:04 PM - fun stuff (dogsbark@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:12 AM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Flush door latch Part of the ugliness of Van's latches is the inside handle. IMHO if you make that look as pretty as your outside, and it locks in flight you will have a winner. Gary 40274 Wiring OP panel -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:22 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Flush door latch I've got to admit, I got my inspiration from the handles offered by Hendricks mfg. and another from overseas. I was to be a customer but I was disappointed on the size of the handle and lack of adaptability to our specific application. So I drew up a handle meeting several criteria. first, I wanted the profile to fit within the door, (1" thick) second, I didn't want to modify the vans interior handle and latch/lock assembly. Everything inside the door is as vans intended. Especially the inside lock. third, I wanted to make it specifically for the rv10, not a generic "make it work" kind of part... fourth, I wanted the exterior handle placed in the rear of the door where I climb up to ease access. Additional considerations were also (kiss), ambidextrous parts (all but one!), the ability to add key cylinders, and the ability to add the handle to a flying aircraft as easily as one during construction. Oh by the way, we build airplanes by gosh, so I expect everyone to take the handles apart, so I include an extra spring and bearing....:) Steve dinieri Iflyrv10.com 716.579.5790 (sorry if this sounded like a commercial but I had a few emails already asking what makes mine different) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick@nleonard.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flush door latch Rob, I ended up using the ACS Experimental Door Handles which uses the same billet style as the others. Its made by Hendricks Manufacturing; http://www.hendricksmfg.com/latchprod.html and I now see that you can buy them direct for less than what I paid at ACS. Go figure. The outside flush mount came out very nicely, although the full-size template that came with the unit isnt really full-size. It was actually easier to just do a layout, centering the pivot point with the handle opening recess of the door. That part of the installation was easy and came out very nicely. The outside flush handles will look great. However, it was the looks of the inside handles that I couldnt stand and prompted the change. Hendricks cautions you not to take the units apart. There is a small spring and ball bearing that is used for the detent that needs to be captured. Im not sure I could have fit the unit without taking it apart but putting it back together while on the plane will be more challenging than if it was out on the bench. However, it is certainly doable. I used the inside handles (I needed to reverse them side for side) and created a fiberglass cover that will protect the handle from being accidentally opened while it also covers the fiberglass that I had to cut out of the door (most of the handle recess area). You lose the button locking functionality with these handles which isnt an issue on the outside but needs a solution on the inside so that someone doesnt accidentally yank it open while in flight. My fiberglass covers will protect the handles sufficiently so that there are no exposed edges of the handles to be caught. Because the pivoting offset of the new handles is different than Vans, I couldnt see how to use the original geared arrangement. I used the same pushrod tubing but created a pivot point near the outside of the door. I also put a second nylon block just inside of the original locations to support greater alignment surface of the push pins. I also used the Door Guide and Pin Set from Rivethead, http://www.rivethead-aero.com/rv10_005.htm which I think will work out very well. There are no instructions for how to blind mount the guides (drilled and screwed from the back) which I havent decided on a solution yet. They are also thicker then the door opening, so I will either need to mill them down or relieve them into the fiberglass door jam. It took a lot of extra time to figure out how to adapt the pushrods which Steve has done with flat stock in his door handle solution. http://www.iflyrv10.com/iflyrv10/index.html I dont see what he proposes for inside door handles but I like the rest of his approach and it would probably be the approach I would select if I were to so it over again. Using the tubular stock for push rods required that I buy eight rod end bearings (at $9 apiece) to thread into the tubes for pivot points. A side comment; the Hendricks door locks are way too big (sticking out). Im going to try to adapt the locks used on the baggage door which will add the advantage of them all being keyed the same. Otherwise, I love the look of the flush outside handles. I miss the button release feature for the inside handles and I love the Door Guide and Pin sets. It reminded me once again of how much extra time it takes to change away form anything that is not on the plans. Nick (40015, finish kit) C: 916-425-1064 Nick@NLeonard.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128967#128967 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:00 AM PST US From: Sheldon Olesen Subject: RV10-List: Avery Tool Customer Service I just wanted to highlight Bob Avery's commitment to customer service. I ordered an extension wrench from Avery Tool at Oshkosh so I could torque my propeller bolts. Unfortunately, Avery Tool sold out all of them and couldn't deliver one for 2 months. Just as I was starting to search for a new vendor I got an email from Bob offering the use of their prototype extension wrench. I readily accepted the offer and Bob even paid the postage both ways. The wrench arrived yesterday, I torqued the bolts last night and the wrench is back in the mail to be used by two other builders with the same problem. Thanks Bob! Sheldon Olesen #40080 Cowling and Baffling ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:08 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Helicopter.....try it ! From: "McGANN, Ron" For when you have 5mins free over your computer. (Almost) more frustrating than the 5min oil access door that takes 5hrs+ ! have fun Ron 187 finishing do not archive THINK YOU CAN FLY A HELICOPTER ? Read directions first before you start.... You must hold the left mouse button down to go up...release to go down...MOST DIFFICULT Some people have worn their finger out on this. If you are working for a living, do not forward to your co-workers.. The rest of the day will be useless to the company.. Think you can fly a helicopter? Click on the link below and give it a whirl! 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The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. ---------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:59 PM PST US From: "Byron Gillespie" Subject: RV10-List: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions Awfully quiet out there.. I guess I should have mentioned "alternative engines" or "primer" to stir the pot :-). Still haven't heard anything from Vans - will try and call them tomorrow. Sure thought that some you would have some suggestions. Byron N253RV assigned - to HOT to work down here!! Question for you folks.. I received my panel two weeks ago (super job Stein!) and have run into a bit of a snag. I am using a canted center panel that sucks up a little more cable length than the standard panel. By my calculations I need about 2 to 2.5 inches for each cable. The options that I am looking at are: 1. Buy new cables from Aircraft Spruce - that would leave me with up to 10 inches of extra cable to "route away" plus the cost of the cables. * Secondary question is the FFW cables appear to be A-760 cables whereas others from Wicks and ACS are A-750 - Any idea what the difference is?? 2. Purchase "custom" cable lengths at the price of ~ $ 130 each - still would be the A-750 cables 3. Investigate the Van's Quadrant - like Tim has. Still may have the same length issue but could order custom lengths from Vans. Are the cables the same length for the quadrant? I have sent an e-mail to Vans with the same questions but thought it may be good idea to question the experts who have gone before. :-) Thanks for any info! Byron N253RV assigned - still finishing..connecting the panel to the "stuff". ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:23 PM PST US From: dogsbark@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions Hey Byron, It took a few days for me to hear from Van's regarding the bent nose gear I have. Good news....they are sending a replacement and I don't even have to send the original back. Please let us know what you figure out on the cables. I too am interested in the canted panel. Thanks everyone for your responses. Sean Blair #40225 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Byron Gillespie" Awfully quiet out there.. I guess I should have mentioned alternative engines or primer to stir the pot J. Still havent heard anything from Vans will try and call them tomorrow. Sure thought that some you would have some suggestions. Byron N253RV assigned to HOT to work down here!! Question for you folks. I received my panel two weeks ago (super job Stein!) and have run into a bit of a snag. I am using a canted center panel that sucks up a little more cable length than the standard panel. By my calculations I need about 2 to 2.5 inches for each cable. The options that I am looking at are: 1. Buy new cables from Aircraft Spruce that would leave me with up to 10 inches of extra cable to route away plus the cost of the cables. Secondary question is the FFW cables appear to be A-760 cables whereas others from Wicks and ACS are A-750 Any idea what the difference is?? 2. Purchase custom cable lengths at the price of ~ $ 130 each still would be the A-750 cables 3. Investigate the Vans Quadrant like Tim has. Still may have the same length issue but could order custom lengths from Vans. Are the cables the same length for the quadrant? I have sent an e-mail to Vans with the same questions but thought it may be good idea to question the experts who have gone before. J Thanks for any info! Byron N253RV assigned still finishingconnecting the panel to the stuff.
Hey Byron, 
 
It took a few days for me to hear from Van's regarding the bent nose gear I have.  Good news....they are sending a replacement and I don't even have to send the original back. 
 
Please let us know what you figure out on the cables.  I too am interested in the canted panel.
 
Thanks everyone for your responses. 
 
Sean Blair
#40225
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net> 
Awfully quiet out there..
I guess I should have mentioned alternative engines or primer to stir the pot
J.
 
Still
havent heard anything from Vans  will try and call them tomorrow. Sure thought
that some you would have some suggestions.
 
 
Byron
N253RV assigned  to HOT to work down here!!
 
 
 
Question for you folks.
 
I received my panel two weeks ago (super job
Stein!) and have run into a bit of a snag. I am using a canted center panel that
sucks up a little more cable length than the standard panel. By my calculations
I need about 2 to 2.5 inches for each cable. The options that I am looking
at are:
 
  
1.    Buy new cables from Aircraft Spruce  that would leave me with up
to 10 inches of extra cable to route away plus the cost of the cables. 
        
Secondary question is the FFW cables
appear to be A-760 cables whereas others fro
 m Wick
s and ACS are A-750  Any idea what the difference is??
   2.    Purchase custom cable lengths at the price of ~ $ 130
each  still would be the A-750 cables
3.   
Investigate the Vans Quadrant  like Tim has. Still may have the
same length issue but could order custom lengths from Vans. Are the cables the
same length for the quadrant?
 
I
have sent an e-mail to Vans with the same questions but thought it may be good
idea to question the experts who have gone before. J
 
Thanks for any info!
 
Byron
N253RV assigned 
still finishingconnecting the panel to the stuff.


 
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:26 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions From: "John W. Cox" I believe I can better the cost on your cables and have them made to exact length. Contact me offline as I have a connection with the firm that builds them for VANS. I am still reeling from an awesome Garmin presentation on the G900 that Paul Grimstad and I sat through earlier today. John Cox Do not Archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Byron Gillespie Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions Awfully quiet out there.. I guess I should have mentioned "alternative engines" or "primer" to stir the pot :-). Still haven't heard anything from Vans - will try and call them tomorrow. Sure thought that some you would have some suggestions. Byron N253RV assigned - to HOT to work down here!! Question for you folks.... I received my panel two weeks ago (super job Stein!) and have run into a bit of a snag. I am using a canted center panel that sucks up a little more cable length than the standard panel. By my calculations I need about 2 to 2.5 inches for each cable. The options that I am looking at are: 1. Buy new cables from Aircraft Spruce - that would leave me with up to 10 inches of extra cable to "route away" plus the cost of the cables. * Secondary question is the FFW cables appear to be A-760 cables whereas others from Wicks and ACS are A-750 - Any idea what the difference is?? 2. Purchase "custom" cable lengths at the price of ~ $ 130 each - still would be the A-750 cables 3. Investigate the Van's Quadrant - like Tim has. Still may have the same length issue but could order custom lengths from Vans. Are the cables the same length for the quadrant? I have sent an e-mail to Vans with the same questions but thought it may be good idea to question the experts who have gone before. :-) Thanks for any info! Byron N253RV assigned - still finishing......connecting the panel to the "stuff". ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:33 PM PST US From: dogsbark@comcast.net Subject: RV10-List: fun stuff I stumbled across this page and enjoyed it. http://www.skygod.com/quotes/flyingjokes.html Sean Blair #40225
I stumbled across this page and enjoyed it. 
 
 
Sean Blair
#40225
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