---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/16/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions (zackrv8) 2. 04:35 AM - Engine Logbook (Marcus Cooper) 3. 06:03 AM - Re: Battery Tray for a pair of Odyssey 680s (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: Engine Logbook (Mark Ritter) 5. 06:33 AM - Re: Engine Logbook (Kelly McMullen) 6. 06:38 AM - Re: Engine Logbook (James K Hovis) 7. 07:17 AM - Re: Engine Logbook (Dave Saylor) 8. 07:28 AM - Re: Engine Logbook (James K Hovis) 9. 07:30 AM - Re: G1000 AHRS - WAS:Quiet out there/Control Cable Questions (Tim Olson) 10. 07:32 AM - Re: G1000 AHRS - WAS:Quiet out there/Control Cable Questions (Tim Olson) 11. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: G1000 AHRS - WAS:Quiet out there/Control Cable Questions (John W. Cox) 12. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions (John W. Cox) 13. 01:28 PM - WSI receivers (Tim Olson) 14. 05:27 PM - Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators (Tim Lewis) 15. 05:28 PM - Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators (Tim Lewis) 16. 05:40 PM - Van's Homecoming (Larry Rosen) 17. 05:52 PM - Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alterna... (GenGrumpy@aol.com) 18. 06:15 PM - Can an empty party balloon tank be reused as an air tank? (Bill Reining) 19. 06:28 PM - Re: Van's Homecoming (John W. Cox) 20. 06:31 PM - travelling to Dallas (Bob Leffler) 21. 06:39 PM - Re: Can an empty party balloon tank be reused as an air tank? (Rick Sked) 22. 06:42 PM - Re: Van's Homecoming (C.R. Usery) 23. 07:25 PM - Re: Van's Homecoming (NormRainey@aol.com) 24. 08:08 PM - Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators (Jesse Saint) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:32 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions From: "zackrv8" John, Thanks for the reply. I didn't know about HITS coming soon. Did they give any idea when? Zack AV8ORJWC wrote: > Garmin has known and failed to address (up until now) the pricing > disparity between the alternative EFIS top dogs. Chelton, OP > Technologies, GRT and Avidyne for the Experimental market. > > We sat through a three plus hour presentation on Garmin product > placement, future development, vertical integration and a price > reduction. One friend who had just purchased a GNS530 was rewarded with > an immediate $600 back for attending. Gift Certificates which must be > converted within 72 hours covered their entire product line. I think > Paul was impressed with the $2275 price for a complete 496 hand-held. > > They are now fully integrated with HITS coming soon. > Weather/Radar/ADS-B/Traffic and with the remote GCU 476 pad, you can use > the alpha-numeric keys just like the Flight Management Systems in our > big birds to create flight paths. At the NWEAA flyin, the cutey at > Columbia said that feature was only available on Columbia "certificated" > aircraft. Now it is available for Amateur built too. They have worked > with Tru-Trak and STEC for three-axis servo control. They have added > checklists, W&B and engine analyzing for LOP operations. > > If they move the price point some more, they could become a complete > integrated competitor. They are not priced for the steam gage crowd or > for old fogeys with weak hearts. The price is known to create heartburn > in some customers. > > John > Do not Archive > > -- -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129416#129416 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:07 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RV10-List: Engine Logbook Here's an odd question that I should know the answer to having built several airplanes prior to the RV-10 but can't remember. Regarding documenting the annual conditional inspection the operating limitations specifically state what has to be written in the aircraft logbook. Is there anything specific that needs to be documented in the engine logbook? Thanks, Marcus 40286 - hard to believe it's already been a year! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Tray for a pair of Odyssey 680s From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." Tim has them posted on his website under the modifications section, at least for the battery tray. The seat levers were based off of someone else's, but I had an Mechanical Engineer in New York redesign them because the ones that the other person were selling were breaking at the pivot point. What we did was to put in a floating pin, so that the pivot stress was reduced. I can take some pictures and post them if anyone is interested. Dan N289DT RV10E -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery Tray for a pair of Odyssey 680s Dan Lloyd had designed a nice tray, but I couldn't find any pictures in the archives. Dan also made some seat levers too. Dan, Can you share your battery tray and seat levers with us again? Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Battery Tray for a pair of Odyssey 680s I'm looking at putting a pair of 680s in the normal battery location. I know several others have done this... would you be so kind as to share your tray design? The plan is to do a Z-14 with the ability to crank the engine with 1 or both batts. Any comments on that welcome. __________ NOD32 2464 (20070815) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:55 AM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Logbook Here is my logbook entry: "I certify that this aircraft has been inspected on 8/4/07 in accordance with the scope and detail of Appendix D to part 43 and was found to be in a condition for safe operation" Mark N410MR >From: "Marcus Cooper" >To: >Subject: RV10-List: Engine Logbook >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:32:35 -0500 > >Here's an odd question that I should know the answer to having built >several >airplanes prior to the RV-10 but can't remember. Regarding documenting the >annual conditional inspection the operating limitations specifically state >what has to be written in the aircraft logbook. Is there anything specific >that needs to be documented in the engine logbook? > > >Thanks, > >Marcus > >40286 - hard to believe it's already been a year! > _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see troublebefore he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:11 AM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Logbook The funny part is that various FSDOs had a running debate for years on this topic concerning TC aircraft. Some said only in airframe logbook, some said put 100 hour in engine and prop logs, some didn't care. Now there is specific guidance from HQ, that the statement has to be in the aircraft records, but not necessarily in any particular logbook. It sort of leads yo u to the airframe, simply because the other two may change. On 8/16/07, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > Here's an odd question that I should know the answer to having built > several airplanes prior to the RV-10 but can't remember. Regarding > documenting the annual conditional inspection the operating limitations > specifically state what has to be written in the aircraft logbook. Is th ere > anything specific that needs to be documented in the engine logbook? > > > Thanks, > > Marcus > > 40286 ' hard to believe it's already been a year! > > * > =========== =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:12 AM PST US From: "James K Hovis" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Logbook On my old airplane, my IA would record the compression readings, any engine AD compliance needed, and any other general maintenance and repair work done to the engine. In the airframe log, basically the same type information dealing with the airframe along with the engine work so there are two records of work done to the engine. Kevin H. On 8/16/07, Mark Ritter wrote: > > Here is my logbook entry: > > "I certify that this aircraft has been inspected on 8/4/07 in accordance > with the scope and detail of Appendix D to part 43 and was found to be in a > condition for safe operation" > > Mark > N410MR > > > >From: "Marcus Cooper" > >To: > >Subject: RV10-List: Engine Logbook > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:32:35 -0500 > > > >Here's an odd question that I should know the answer to having built > >several > >airplanes prior to the RV-10 but can't remember. Regarding documenting the > >annual conditional inspection the operating limitations specifically state > >what has to be written in the aircraft logbook. Is there anything specific > >that needs to be documented in the engine logbook? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Marcus > > > >40286 - hard to believe it's already been a year! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Now you can see troublebefore he arrives > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:52 AM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Logbook Marcus, My experience is that if you state that the "aircraft" has been inspected, that covers the engine too as far as being legal. The problem with that is you end up with a big, blank engine log which isn't of much value if you ever separate the engine from the airframe. So, for customers I generally write an entry for each logbook, including prop if there is one, telling what I did. One philosophy is to document as little as necessary. Less ammo I suppose. I more or less go the other direction. However...my own RV-10 logbook will essentially merge the flight and maintenance log. Pertinent engine/prop/avionics mx will get photocopied and filed separately. Hopefully the Excel format (attached) will allow me to easily transfer the original paper to the spreadsheet. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:33 AM Subject: RV10-List: Engine Logbook Here's an odd question that I should know the answer to having built several airplanes prior to the RV-10 but can't remember. Regarding documenting the annual conditional inspection the operating limitations specifically state what has to be written in the aircraft logbook. Is there anything specific that needs to be documented in the engine logbook? Thanks, Marcus 40286 - hard to believe it's already been a year! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:01 AM PST US From: "James K Hovis" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Logbook Here's the logic for recording engine related data in the engine: On my old AA-1A, it had a STC'd 160hp engine that came from a Cherokee. There wasn't hardly any data in the logbook from when it was in the Cherokee, especially AD compliance. (Note: I bought the airplane from a couple guys who bought it to fix up and resell) When the previous owners to me bought the bird (my IA was one of them), they went through the engine and even tracked down the Cherokee it came out of to be sure the list of AD's against that model engine had been complied with. Keeping maintenence notes on the engine in the engine log also helps track condition trends and if you ever swap out an engine in the future, the new owner of the old engine will have a good paper trail to track back to. Kevin H. On 8/16/07, Kelly McMullen wrote: > The funny part is that various FSDOs had a running debate for years on this > topic concerning TC aircraft. Some said only in airframe logbook, some said > put 100 hour in engine and prop logs, some didn't care. Now there is > specific guidance from HQ, that the statement has to be in the aircraft > records, but not necessarily in any particular logbook. It sort of leads you > to the airframe, simply because the other two may change. > > On 8/16/07, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > > > Here's an odd question that I should know the answer to having built > > several airplanes prior to the RV-10 but can't remember. Regarding > > documenting the annual conditional inspection the operating limitations > > specifically state what has to be written in the aircraft logbook. Is > there > > anything specific that needs to be documented in the engine logbook? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marcus > > > > 40286 hard to believe it's already been a year! > > > > * > > > =========== > =========== > =========== > > > > * > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:25 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Re: G1000 AHRS - WAS:Quiet out there/Control Cable Questions John, did you get any info from Garmin regarding this?: And, do you know if they make the AHRS themselves? ----------------------------------------------------- Garmin G1000 Problem Affects GA Deliveries A problem with a component of the Garmin G1000 glass panel, a popular choice for avionics in many general aviation aircraft, has stalled production and delayed deliveries at factories around the country as Garmin searches for a fix. The problem stems from a sudden increase in failure rates in recent flight tests of new GRS 77 AHRS (Attitude Heading Reference System) units used in G1000 installations, Garmin said on Tuesday. A component failure in the GRS 77 results in a loss of attitude information on the primary flight display. "After communication with Garmin's OEM partners and the FAA, it was determined that in all G1000 installations, continued safe flight can be conducted with the stand-by attitude indicator and other available instruments," the company said in a statement. "If pilots should experience a failure of the GRS 77 AHRS, they should follow standard procedures and refer to the standby attitude indicator." Garmin spokeswoman Jessica Myers told AVweb that the problem does not need to ground any airplanes. "We have not placed any limitations on operation of the aircraft," she said on Tuesday evening. "Day VFR, night VFR, day IFR, night IFR" all are unrestricted, she said. "We are working as quickly as possible to determine the cause of the problem and what the fix will be," she said. "But I do not have a time frame." A service advisory is being prepared, the company said. The glitch has occurred only in G1000 primary flight displays manufactured on or after May 1, 2007. Columbia Lays Off 300, Cites Garmin G1000 Issue At Columbia Aircraft in Bend, Ore., the company announced on Monday that it would halt its production line and lay off about 300 workers until problems with Garmin G1000s could be resolved. Although Garmin says the AHRS problem does not require limitations on use of the aircraft, Columbia spokesman Randy Bolinger told AVweb that, nonetheless, "the FAA will not allow us to complete Certificates of Airworthiness with a known defect. The FAA will allow us to certify the aircraft already on the assembly line for VFR only." Columbia said in its statement that the production line will "grind to a halt" until a fix is found and parts shipments are restored. "This latest supplier-driven interruption is very frustrating," said Columbia President Wan Majid. "We simply cannot continue to complete and deliver new aircraft without the functionality and reliability that customers demand. Unfortunately, this means that we have no alternative but to furlough portions of our workforce until the issue is resolved." Garmin Snafu Also Affects Other Airframers At Cessna Aircraft in Wichita, Kan., production has continued despite the G1000 problems, Director of Corporate Communications Doug Oliver told AVweb on Tuesday. "We anticipate a resolution from Garmin literally any minute," he said. However, deliveries of single-engine piston aircraft are suspended until the issue is resolved. "Mustang deliveries were originally suspended as well," Oliver said, "but due to its lower production rate its avionics systems were installed some time ago, before the suspect batch was produced. This has, of course, been confirmed through testing and approved by the FAA." Oliver said he doesn't anticipate any impact on production at Cessna. At Diamond Aircraft, spokeswoman Heike Larson told AVweb that production will continue. "We view this as a mere blip," she said. "We're not stopping production, and we have inventory on hand with unaffected units to complete current customer deliveries." Garmin is being "very proactive" about the problem, she said, but it's possible that "customer deliveries might be affected by a week or two" before all is back to normal. At Hawker Beechcraft, spokesman Mike Turner said the problem has "minimal" impact. Deliveries of Beechcraft G36 Bonanzas and G58 Barons are on hold for now, but production is not affected, he said. At Mooney Aircraft in Texas, spokesman Dave Franson said the interruption of G1000 deliveries will have little immediate affect. "We have inspected the G1000 components we have on hand and believe that we have a sufficient quantity of acceptable units to sustain our current delivery schedule for approximately two weeks," Franson said. "We will continue to work closely with Garmin during this situation and will keep our customers advised through direct communications and updates on our Web site." ----------------------------------------------------- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive John W. Cox wrote: > > Garmin has known and failed to address (up until now) the pricing > disparity between the alternative EFIS top dogs. Chelton, OP > Technologies, GRT and Avidyne for the Experimental market. > > We sat through a three plus hour presentation on Garmin product > placement, future development, vertical integration and a price > reduction. One friend who had just purchased a GNS530 was rewarded with > an immediate $600 back for attending. Gift Certificates which must be > converted within 72 hours covered their entire product line. I think > Paul was impressed with the $2275 price for a complete 496 hand-held. > > They are now fully integrated with HITS coming soon. > Weather/Radar/ADS-B/Traffic and with the remote GCU 476 pad, you can use > the alpha-numeric keys just like the Flight Management Systems in our > big birds to create flight paths. At the NWEAA flyin, the cutey at > Columbia said that feature was only available on Columbia "certificated" > aircraft. Now it is available for Amateur built too. They have worked > with Tru-Trak and STEC for three-axis servo control. They have added > checklists, W&B and engine analyzing for LOP operations. > > If they move the price point some more, they could become a complete > integrated competitor. They are not priced for the steam gage crowd or > for old fogeys with weak hearts. The price is known to create heartburn > in some customers. > > John > Do not Archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8 > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:31 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions > > > [quote="AV8ORJWC"]I believe I can better the cost on your cables and > have them made to exact length. Contact me offline as I have a > connection with the firm that builds them for VANS. I am still reeling > from an awesome Garmin presentation on the G900 that Paul Grimstad and I > sat through earlier today. > > John Cox > > Do not Archive > > John, > > Can you or Paul tell us more about the Garmin 900 presentation? What > did you like or dislike? > > Zack > > -------- > RV8 #80125 > RV10 # 40512 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129386#129386 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:39 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Re: G1000 AHRS - WAS:Quiet out there/Control Cable Questions PS, it's kind of strange how Garmin views this as a very minor thing and is not placing any operating limitations on the systems, when we've seen in the past that manufacturers did. Funny how having a huge market share makes you a little sensitive to taking that plunge. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Tim Olson wrote: > John, did you get any info from Garmin regarding this?: > And, do you know if they make the AHRS themselves? > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Garmin G1000 Problem Affects GA Deliveries > > A problem with a component of the Garmin G1000 glass panel, a popular > choice for avionics in many general aviation aircraft, has stalled > production and delayed deliveries at factories around the country as > Garmin searches for a fix. The problem stems from a sudden increase in > failure rates in recent flight tests of new GRS 77 AHRS (Attitude > Heading Reference System) units used in G1000 installations, Garmin said > on Tuesday. A component failure in the GRS 77 results in a loss of > attitude information on the primary flight display. "After communication > with Garmin's OEM partners and the FAA, it was determined that in all > G1000 installations, continued safe flight can be conducted with the > stand-by attitude indicator and other available instruments," the > company said in a statement. "If pilots should experience a failure of > the GRS 77 AHRS, they should follow standard procedures and refer to the > standby attitude indicator." Garmin spokeswoman Jessica Myers told AVweb > that the problem does not need to ground any airplanes. "We have not > placed any limitations on operation of the aircraft," she said on > Tuesday evening. "Day VFR, night VFR, day IFR, night IFR" all are > unrestricted, she said. "We are working as quickly as possible to > determine the cause of the problem and what the fix will be," she said. > "But I do not have a time frame." A service advisory is being prepared, > the company said. The glitch has occurred only in G1000 primary flight > displays manufactured on or after May 1, 2007. > > Columbia Lays Off 300, Cites Garmin G1000 Issue > > At Columbia Aircraft in Bend, Ore., the company announced on Monday that > it would halt its production line and lay off about 300 workers until > problems with Garmin G1000s could be resolved. Although Garmin says the > AHRS problem does not require limitations on use of the aircraft, > Columbia spokesman Randy Bolinger told AVweb that, nonetheless, "the FAA > will not allow us to complete Certificates of Airworthiness with a known > defect. The FAA will allow us to certify the aircraft already on the > assembly line for VFR only." Columbia said in its statement that the > production line will "grind to a halt" until a fix is found and parts > shipments are restored. "This latest supplier-driven interruption is > very frustrating," said Columbia President Wan Majid. "We simply cannot > continue to complete and deliver new aircraft without the functionality > and reliability that customers demand. Unfortunately, this means that we > have no alternative but to furlough portions of our workforce until the > issue is resolved." > > Garmin Snafu Also Affects Other Airframers > > At Cessna Aircraft in Wichita, Kan., production has continued despite > the G1000 problems, Director of Corporate Communications Doug Oliver > told AVweb on Tuesday. "We anticipate a resolution from Garmin literally > any minute," he said. However, deliveries of single-engine piston > aircraft are suspended until the issue is resolved. "Mustang deliveries > were originally suspended as well," Oliver said, "but due to its lower > production rate its avionics systems were installed some time ago, > before the suspect batch was produced. This has, of course, been > confirmed through testing and approved by the FAA." Oliver said he > doesn't anticipate any impact on production at Cessna. At Diamond > Aircraft, spokeswoman Heike Larson told AVweb that production will > continue. "We view this as a mere blip," she said. "We're not stopping > production, and we have inventory on hand with unaffected units to > complete current customer deliveries." Garmin is being "very proactive" > about the problem, she said, but it's possible that "customer deliveries > might be affected by a week or two" before all is back to normal. At > Hawker Beechcraft, spokesman Mike Turner said the problem has "minimal" > impact. Deliveries of Beechcraft G36 Bonanzas and G58 Barons are on hold > for now, but production is not affected, he said. At Mooney Aircraft in > Texas, spokesman Dave Franson said the interruption of G1000 deliveries > will have little immediate affect. "We have inspected the G1000 > components we have on hand and believe that we have a sufficient > quantity of acceptable units to sustain our current delivery schedule > for approximately two weeks," Franson said. "We will continue to work > closely with Garmin during this situation and will keep our customers > advised through direct communications and updates on our Web site." > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > John W. Cox wrote: >> >> Garmin has known and failed to address (up until now) the pricing >> disparity between the alternative EFIS top dogs. Chelton, OP >> Technologies, GRT and Avidyne for the Experimental market. >> >> We sat through a three plus hour presentation on Garmin product >> placement, future development, vertical integration and a price >> reduction. One friend who had just purchased a GNS530 was rewarded with >> an immediate $600 back for attending. Gift Certificates which must be >> converted within 72 hours covered their entire product line. I think >> Paul was impressed with the $2275 price for a complete 496 hand-held. >> >> They are now fully integrated with HITS coming soon. >> Weather/Radar/ADS-B/Traffic and with the remote GCU 476 pad, you can use >> the alpha-numeric keys just like the Flight Management Systems in our >> big birds to create flight paths. At the NWEAA flyin, the cutey at >> Columbia said that feature was only available on Columbia "certificated" >> aircraft. Now it is available for Amateur built too. They have worked >> with Tru-Trak and STEC for three-axis servo control. They have added >> checklists, W&B and engine analyzing for LOP operations. >> >> If they move the price point some more, they could become a complete >> integrated competitor. They are not priced for the steam gage crowd or >> for old fogeys with weak hearts. The price is known to create heartburn >> in some customers. >> >> John >> Do not Archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8 >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:31 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions >> >> >> [quote="AV8ORJWC"]I believe I can better the cost on your cables and >> have them made to exact length. Contact me offline as I have a >> connection with the firm that builds them for VANS. I am still reeling >> from an awesome Garmin presentation on the G900 that Paul Grimstad and I >> sat through earlier today. John Cox Do not Archive >> John, >> >> Can you or Paul tell us more about the Garmin 900 presentation? What >> did you like or dislike? >> >> Zack >> >> -------- >> RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129386#129386 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: G1000 AHRS - WAS:Quiet out there/Control Cable Questions From: "John W. Cox" Garmin makes their own components which are TSO approved and warranted on the Certified units. The G900 uses the same components. Certified equipment causes higher pricing. When a failure occurs, the symbol generator places a big red x over the item which forces the operator to resort to "Dare I say, a steam gage". Cirrus uses them and Garmin wants certificated manufacturers to select their own solution. For the G900, they do not make a recommendation. They do hold most of the component cards and have been a bit snooty about coming down and placing in the Chelton price point arena. This may bode well for greater competition. The G900 comes with Dual Nav/Com/ILS/GPS which uses two 530A 16watt output transmitters. That is far stronger than the SL30. John Do not Archive PS - I am going to task Garmin to expand your website review of the 430/480 comparison and to add the 530 and G900 to the mix. It would be great to get a side by side comparison on HITS, Terrain, ADS-B, Weather, Traffic and Radar. With the million dollar Evolution and high end EFIS, someone things there is money to spend out there. I have a hard time just digging with the pitch fork to find my lost pony. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: G1000 AHRS - WAS:Quiet out there/Control Cable Questions PS, it's kind of strange how Garmin views this as a very minor thing and is not placing any operating limitations on the systems, when we've seen in the past that manufacturers did. Funny how having a huge market share makes you a little sensitive to taking that plunge. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:24 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions From: "John W. Cox" The software is in BETA, they know that Chelton holds the high ground from the Alaska Capstone project and from Tim's update, it sounds like it is time to be draining the swamp and reclaiming land. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8 Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Quiet out there - was Control Cable Questions John, Thanks for the reply. I didn't know about HITS coming soon. Did they give any idea when? Zack AV8ORJWC wrote: > Garmin has known and failed to address (up until now) the pricing > disparity between the alternative EFIS top dogs. Chelton, OP > Technologies, GRT and Avidyne for the Experimental market. > > We sat through a three plus hour presentation on Garmin product > placement, future development, vertical integration and a price > reduction. One friend who had just purchased a GNS530 was rewarded with > an immediate $600 back for attending. Gift Certificates which must be > converted within 72 hours covered their entire product line. I think > Paul was impressed with the $2275 price for a complete 496 hand-held. > > They are now fully integrated with HITS coming soon. > Weather/Radar/ADS-B/Traffic and with the remote GCU 476 pad, you can use > the alpha-numeric keys just like the Flight Management Systems in our > big birds to create flight paths. At the NWEAA flyin, the cutey at > Columbia said that feature was only available on Columbia "certificated" > aircraft. Now it is available for Amateur built too. They have worked > with Tru-Trak and STEC for three-axis servo control. They have added > checklists, W&B and engine analyzing for LOP operations. > > If they move the price point some more, they could become a complete > integrated competitor. They are not priced for the steam gage crowd or > for old fogeys with weak hearts. The price is known to create heartburn > in some customers. > > John > Do not Archive > > -- -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129416#129416 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:36 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: WSI receivers I checked today and I think WSI is still a week or so away from shipping new receivers. Also, WSI requested I pass on the info that because they're worried about some form of fraud in the receiver upgrade, they're asking that if you have an old receiver to activate, that you do it before Oct. 31, 2007. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:58 PM PST US From: Tim Lewis Subject: RV10-List: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators I'm thinking of buying either a 60 Amp alternator made by either Plane Power ($375 including internal regulator and OV from Van's) or B&C ($595 + $228 for regulator & OV = $823) for my RV-10. The Plane Power price and simplicity are quite appealing. I've heard good things about Plane Power, and have heard of only a single failure in the field. B&C also has a very good reputation. So I'm seeking experiences, both good and bad, from people who have put a few hours on a Plane Power (or B&C) alternator. Thanks, Tim Lewis -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs RV-10 #40059 under construction ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:05 PM PST US From: Tim Lewis Subject: RV10-List: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators I'm thinking of buying either a 60 Amp alternator made by either Plane Power ($375 including internal regulator and OV from Van's) or B&C ($595 + $228 for regulator & OV = $823) for my RV-10. The Plane Power price and simplicity are quite appealing. I've heard good things about Plane Power, and have heard of only a single failure in the field. B&C also has a very good reputation. So I'm seeking experiences, both good and bad, from people who have put a few hours on a Plane Power (or B&C) alternator. Thanks, Tim Lewis -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs RV-10 #40059 under construction ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:44 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: RV10-List: Van's Homecoming I will be a the Van's Homecoming this Saturday at Independence Airpark. Anyone from the list attending? Will any 10s be there? Larry Rosen #356 do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:04 PM PST US From: GenGrumpy@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alterna... I can speak for Van's standard alternator in the kit - it stinks. I've had noise in it since day one, can't eliminate it with filters, it got worse a couple of flights ago, so now I should have a B&C on the door step tomorrow. My secondary alternator is also a B&C, and it has worked beautifully (with NO noise whatsoever). I talked at length with B&C about theirs, their longevity and, with help from my panel builder, I'm switching. Anyone want a 60amp standard Van's alternator cheap?? grumpy N184JM do not archive In a message dated 8/16/2007 7:29:33 PM Central Standard Time, Tim_Lewis@msm.umr.edu writes: I'm thinking of buying either a 60 Amp alternator made by either Plane Power ($375 including internal regulator and OV from Van's) or B&C ($595 + $228 for regulator & OV = $823) for my RV-10. The Plane Power price and simplicity are quite appealing. I've heard good things about Plane Power, and have heard of only a single failure in the field. B&C also has a very good reputation. So I'm seeking experiences, both good and bad, from people who have put a few hours on a Plane Power (or B&C) alternator. Thanks, Tim Lewis http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:23 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Can an empty party balloon tank be reused as an air tank? From: "Bill Reining" Anybody tried changing the fitting and using one of these party balloon helium tanks as an air tank (e.g. for flat tires away from the compressor.) The one I have is about the same size as a common propane cylinder, but not as heavy/beefy. I guess what I am really after is a little reassurance the thing will safely hold 100 psi or so. -------- Bill (and Jon) Reining 40514 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129525#129525 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:34 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's Homecoming From: "John W. Cox" The NW Antique Airplane Club is having their annual fly-in to McMinneville, OR this weekend. I haven't heard but would consider mingling with all those crazed RV-4, 6, 7, 8 and 9 builders. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Van's Homecoming I will be a the Van's Homecoming this Saturday at Independence Airpark. Anyone from the list attending? Will any 10s be there? Larry Rosen #356 do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:02 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RV10-List: travelling to Dallas I'll be traveling to Dallas the week of September 17th. I would love to hook up with any RV-10 builders in the area. Especially if you have a flying one! Bob Leffler #40684 - Empennage ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:08 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Can an empty party balloon tank be reused as an air tank? Bill, The tank should have a rating on it, if not you could pursue proof testing which I believe is supposed to be done every two years...FWIW, when dealing with compressed anything I wouldn't use a tank for anything else but what it is intended. Just a safety guys 2 cents worth. Rick S. 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Reining" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:14:23 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Can an empty party balloon tank be reused as an air tank? Anybody tried changing the fitting and using one of these party balloon helium tanks as an air tank (e.g. for flat tires away from the compressor.) The one I have is about the same size as a common propane cylinder, but not as heavy/beefy. I guess what I am really after is a little reassurance the thing will safely hold 100 psi or so. -------- Bill (and Jon) Reining 40514 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129525#129525 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:05 PM PST US From: "C.R. Usery" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Homecoming My wife and I will be attending (Charles & Beth Usery), Our 10 is not completed yet so it will not make it (working on QB wings). We are staying with a couple that have an RV6 and they are just finishing an RV10 (Norm & Donna Rainey) so there will at least be one RV-10 for us to look and and ask our 10,000 questions. We will be looking for you on Friday. Charles Larry Rosen wrote: I will be a the Van's Homecoming this Saturday at Independence Airpark. Anyone from the list attending? Will any 10s be there? Larry Rosen #356 do not archive --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:16 PM PST US From: NormRainey@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Homecoming Just waiting for an FAA inspection here in Independence. Come down Golf taxiway at the north end of the airpark. Norm Rainey #40348 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:57 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: RE: RV10-List: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators You get what you pay for here. I have seen 2 fail in the field, which is only good for testing how you will handle the power-out situation. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Leather interior kit for the RV-10 - www.saintaviation.com/interior -----Original Message----- From: "Tim Lewis" Sent: 8/16/2007 8:26 PM Subject: RV10-List: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators I'm thinking of buying either a 60 Amp alternator made by either Plane Power ($375 including internal regulator and OV from Van's) or B&C ($595 + $228 for regulator & OV = $823) for my RV-10. The Plane Power price and simplicity are quite appealing. I've heard good things about Plane Power, and have heard of only a single failure in the field. B&C also has a very good reputation. So I'm seeking experiences, both good and bad, from people who have put a few hours on a Plane Power (or B&C) alternator. 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