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1. 06:37 PM - Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:49 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (gary)
3. 07:03 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
4. 07:05 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Ben Westfall)
5. 07:08 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (John W. Cox)
6. 07:09 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Dave Leikam)
7. 07:10 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Rick Sked)
8. 07:18 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Deems Davis)
9. 07:22 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Deems Davis)
10. 07:24 PM - Paint - not primer (McGANN, Ron)
11. 08:41 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Robert Wright)
12. 10:28 PM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (neil)
13. 10:29 PM - ES Airflow fuel pump questions (Jae Chang)
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| Subject: | Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
Um, what kind of primer should I use?
Why doesn't the RV-10 come in a tailwheel model so the real men would be able to
fly them?
:-)
:-)
That should get some discussions going again!
Matt
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| Subject: | Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
I was wondering too what had happened. Where is everyone, building?
Gary
40274
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?
Um, what kind of primer should I use?
Why doesn't the RV-10 come in a tailwheel model so the real men would be
able to fly them?
:-)
:-)
That should get some discussions going again!
Matt
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| Subject: | Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
Maybe we should talk about alternative engines? GRIN. Going down to
Florida tomorrow to mount my new carbon fiber cowl. Should loose a
couple more pounds, just where I don't need to!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd
Everyone Go?
I was wondering too what had happened. Where is everyone, building?
Gary
40274
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone
Go?
Um, what kind of primer should I use?
Why doesn't the RV-10 come in a tailwheel model so the real men would be
able to fly them?
:-)
:-)
That should get some discussions going again!
Matt
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
Were all hanging our subie engines!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone
Go?
I was wondering too what had happened. Where is everyone, building?
Gary
40274
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?
Um, what kind of primer should I use?
Why doesn't the RV-10 come in a tailwheel model so the real men would be
able to fly them?
:-)
:-)
That should get some discussions going again!
Matt
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
Matt, thanks for providing such a great collaborative website for the
world's greatest group of kit builders.
Primer is a VERY personal thing and opinions can run rabid with little
provocation. Several of the products about to be espoused are excellent.
Primer is a "primary" step in the long-term application of permanent
topcoat. As such, the correct primer should be used by following a
correct technique after you select the topcoat of your own choice.
Primer is absorbent and as such can increase the likelihood of
hydrocarbon, dirt, moisture and other organic compound buildups.
Undesired corrosion can be the result. Primer-Filler is a whole nother
beast.
Study the products and their applications before taking the plunge.
Poly-urethane topcoats which are highly resistant to fuel and
hydrocarbon byproducts require a specialized primer for correct bonding.
At work, the topcoat instruction is the proper preparation and
application of fresh primer within two hours of topcoat. And yes, the
primer too, is a 2 part epoxy. Proper cleaning, proper prep, then
correct product, properly applied leads to years of discussion on the
subject.
***
Good luck teasing Ken Krueger to advise in writing on why there is no
conventional third wheel. I believe a strong basis was the strength and
weight necessary to support the IO-540 (up front) and the more docile
handling and insurance liability cost reduction by keeping the aircraft
out of the hands of "Real Men".
Know the mission, know the pilot capability, design for widespread
acceptance. So - 90 flying in three years and 800 kits would support
they (the VAN RV-10 team) steered clear of the ground loop insurance
costs. ;-)
John C - KUAO
Do not Archive out of respect for the search engine.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone
Go?
Um, what kind of primer should I use?
Why doesn't the RV-10 come in a tailwheel model so the real men would be
able to fly them?
:-)
:-)
That should get some discussions going again!
Matt
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
I'm not priming anything. Hah!
Dave Leikam
40496
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?
>
>
> Um, what kind of primer should I use?
>
> Why doesn't the RV-10 come in a tailwheel model so the real men would be
> able to fly them?
>
> :-)
> :-)
>
> That should get some discussions going again!
>
> Matt
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
Just placed an order to Spruce...to keep building....I guess that's the reason,
at least for me.
Rick S.
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "gary" <speckter@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:47:09 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?
I was wondering too what had happened. Where is everyone, building?
Gary
40274
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go?
Um, what kind of primer should I use?
Why doesn't the RV-10 come in a tailwheel model so the real men would be
able to fly them?
:-)
:-)
That should get some discussions going again!
Matt
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
Many people have noticed and commented about the decrease in traffic on
this list. I suppose some of it's due to folks squeezing in the last bit
of summer vacation, but with over 750 RV-10 builder/fliers the amount of
traffic has decreased inversely proportional to the increase in builder
numbers ?????? Whats up with that? I'd be interested in understanding
what's behind the decrease.
Matt are the number of subscribers decreasing or has the bulk of the
population moved to the lurker category?
I know that when I began my build I was a bit intimidated by those
'experts' that were much further along than I (and therefore 'experts')
and was a little reluctant to post at 1st. I believe that this list and
the knowledge and expertise of the individuals that are subscribed are
the single biggest Boone to my building experience. I'd hate to see it
wither up and die.
Perhaps there are some that get offended by some of the stronger
personalities, I hope not, I figure if I can withstand Rick Sked poking
fun at my spelling, that anyone can survive on the list. :-P
I get some inquiries from people 'off-list' which I'm happy to reply to,
but I learn as much from others exchanges as from my own inquiries, I'd
encourage folks to use the list and the experience for the widest
benefit (Let's burn some of Matt's bandwidth!)
Now if I can just get the maze of wire behind my panel
untangled.......should have used Stein!
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
Lloyd tell us more about your CF cowl!?!?!
Inquiring minds want to know!
(maybe I'll be tempted by yet another time exhausting mod!)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
> Maybe we should talk about alternative engines? GRIN. Going down to
> Florida tomorrow to mount my new carbon fiber cowl. Should loose a
> couple more pounds, just where I don't need to!
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:47 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd
> Everyone Go?
>
>
>
> I was wondering too what had happened. Where is everyone, building?
>
> Gary
> 40274
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:37 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone
> Go?
>
>
>
> Um, what kind of primer should I use?
>
> Why doesn't the RV-10 come in a tailwheel model so the real men would be
> able to fly them?
>
> :-)
> :-)
>
> That should get some discussions going again!
>
> Matt
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Paint - not primer |
Ok - so the list IS still kickin'
I am looking at paint systems (external). Can anyone advise any
specific advantages of polyurethanes vs acrylics? I understand that
sanding of polyurethane will require repaint, but acrylics can be wet
sanded to remove imperfections without removing gloss. Is this true?
Acrylic Urethanes appear to be more readily available here in Oz. Is
there any drawback of acrylic urethanes vs polyurethanes?
Any good reference sites for "aircraft painting tips"
A post to the RVs_in_Oz Yahoo list recently suggested that auto paints
were not suitable for aircraft '. . .because of the speed they travel'
:-) sounds like another urban myth - or is there any substance??
Cheers,
Ron
187 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
I'm still in buildus interruptus. Should close on the house on Friday or e
arly next week, just in time to go to Iraq for some flying,then come home i
n three months, take a few weeks to set up shop in the new hangar, then sta
rt building again by about December! :[=0A=0AI'd like to start up some more
conversation on the newest things since OSH about the simple EFISs, like w
hen is Tru-Trak shipping, the AFS units - are they being installed? The web
site hasn't updated any installations for about a year now. Any other unit
s out there that provide simple EFIS capability without Dynon's heavy relia
nce on pitot-static for AHRS-type info? Oh yeah, don't forget to keep the
price down on your recommendations, either, because I have to build the res
t of the panel around it - GPS/COM/NAV, AP head, Comm 2, etc.=0A=0ARob=0A#3
92=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Matt Dralle <dralle@matro
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| Subject: | Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? |
Busy busy busy finishing off as well. All painted at last.
BUT
DEFINITELY should have got Stein to do the panel - never again! I'm
sure I got ET on the RT, and the BBC on my EFIS.
DAR next Tuesday! Then we'll know how much we've got to redo like a
dodo.
Neil
ZK - RVT
On 23 Aug 2007, at 14:19, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Many people have noticed and commented about the decrease in traffic
> on this list. I suppose some of it's due to folks squeezing in the
> last bit of summer vacation, but with over 750 RV-10 builder/fliers
> the amount of traffic has decreased inversely proportional to the
> increase in builder numbers ?????? Whats up with that? I'd be
> interested in understanding what's behind the decrease.
> Matt are the number of subscribers decreasing or has the bulk of the
> population moved to the lurker category?
> I know that when I began my build I was a bit intimidated by those
> 'experts' that were much further along than I (and therefore
> 'experts') and was a little reluctant to post at 1st. I believe that
> this list and the knowledge and expertise of the individuals that are
> subscribed are the single biggest Boone to my building experience. I'd
> hate to see it wither up and die.
> Perhaps there are some that get offended by some of the stronger
> personalities, I hope not, I figure if I can withstand Rick Sked
> poking fun at my spelling, that anyone can survive on the list. :-P
> I get some inquiries from people 'off-list' which I'm happy to reply
> to, but I learn as much from others exchanges as from my own
> inquiries, I'd encourage folks to use the list and the experience for
> the widest benefit (Let's burn some of Matt's bandwidth!)
>
> Now if I can just get the maze of wire behind my panel
> untangled.......should have used Stein!
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | ES Airflow fuel pump questions |
I finally received my fuel pump and made the following observations...
1. I had to tweak the bending of the curvy fuel line, because it was
routing directly over the fuel filter. In its initial configuration, it
would have made removing the fuel filter extremely difficult, as the
fuel line would have been directly in the way. I'm assuming this should
be a regular maintenance item, to remove the filter and clean it. The
product sheet mentioned doing this after the first 5 to 10 hours after
initial flight.
This is a picture of someone else's tunnel. forgot to take a picture of
mine before modifying it:
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec37/photos/P1000920.html
This is a picture directly from Van's catalog:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/catalog/cat-med_fi-install.jpg
2. As a consequence of #1 above, i removed the AN fitting off of the
fuel pump at the end of the curvy line. I was surprised to find the
AN fitting's threads to be dry - ie, no fuel lube or paste of any kind.
Should we be double checking these fittings on the fuel pump AN
fittings? Granted, there are only 2 (each end of curvy line) that i
would be concerned with. The other fittings all have some kind of white
paste around their threads.
Anyway, curious what others experience is in this area. Is it just me or
did anyone else assume this pre-made part is good to go - receive in the
mail and install. Or am i being too naive on such a critical part?
Jae
#40533
Fuse section 29 thru 38
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