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1. 06:06 AM - Re: Tough nut on SD-20 (BPA)
2. 06:07 AM - Re: Tough nut on SD-20 (linn Walters)
3. 08:02 AM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Chris Johnston)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone Go? (Chris Johnston)
5. 09:03 AM - Aircraft tugs (curtis groote)
6. 09:41 AM - Re: Tough nut on SD-20 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
7. 09:49 AM - RV-10 builders in quiet summer retreat (John W. Cox)
8. 10:08 AM - Re: Aircraft tugs (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
9. 10:47 AM - Re: RV-10 builders in quiet summer retreat (Scott Schmidt)
10. 10:56 AM - Re: Control stick freq flip/flop (Scott Schmidt)
11. 11:03 AM - Retractable 3 point seat belt (Robin Marks)
12. 11:36 AM - Re: Aircraft tugs (2eyedocs)
13. 12:05 PM - Re: Aircraft tugs (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 12:25 PM - Re: Retractable 3 point seat belt (Chris Johnston)
15. 12:34 PM - Re: Aircraft tugs (Tim Lewis)
16. 04:32 PM - Re: Retractable 3 point seat belt (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
17. 06:32 PM - Re: Retractable 3 point seat belt (John Lenhardt)
18. 08:53 PM - Racing with Deems (Albert Gardner)
19. 09:23 PM - Racing with Deems (Albert Gardner)
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| Subject: | Tough nut on SD-20 |
There is...Snap-On makes a 7/16 open end angle wrench. It's worth having
in the tool box.
Oh, you're welcome Deems. NICE COWL
Allen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tough nut on SD-20
If you are using an SD-20 and a 90 degree oil filter adapter on your
RV-10 you will find that placing and tightening the lower inboard nut
on the alternator is very difficult. I thought about taking the oil
filter adapter off but then it looked like I would have similar
problems with the bolts on the adapter. The problem is that the
space is so limited that if you can hold the nut to the threads of
the stud you can't turn it. After trying off and on for a week I
finally came up with a solution. I hot glued the nut to the outside
of a 1/2" router bearing and then I glued a small piece of sheet
metal to the hole in the center of the bearing making sure it was
free to spin. A 90 degree bend in the sheet metal at the bearing got
the nut lined up with the stud. I was finally able to get the nut
on by holding it in position and my wife spun it on the stud.
Breaking the hot glue joints is easy but the nut is still not tight.
To tighten the nut I used a tool from Aircraft Tool Supply the Rapco
vacuum pump wrench # RA716 ($26.95)which after a small bend did the
job nicely. I've enclosed a couple of photos.
I hope none of you guys are going to tell me there is a really easy
way to do this.
Sheldon Olesen
#40080 Finishing baffling
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| Subject: | Re: Tough nut on SD-20 |
Easy??? There probably isn't an 'easy' way!!!
I find a set of crows foot wrenches invaluable in places like this. For
starting a nut on a hard to reach stud, a flexible 'grabber' works
wonders. Works for washers too.
If I can't get the nut to grab the first thread with the grabber, I
resort to using a small phillips screwdriver to guide the
nut onto the stud and a flat bladed screwdriver to spin the nut until it
catches.
Linn
Sheldon Olesen wrote:
> If you are using an SD-20 and a 90 degree oil filter adapter on your
> RV-10 you will find that placing and tightening the lower inboard nut
> on the alternator is very difficult. I thought about taking the oil
> filter adapter off but then it looked like I would have similar
> problems with the bolts on the adapter. The problem is that the
> space is so limited that if you can hold the nut to the threads of
> the stud you can't turn it. After trying off and on for a week I
> finally came up with a solution. I hot glued the nut to the outside
> of a 1/2" router bearing and then I glued a small piece of sheet
> metal to the hole in the center of the bearing making sure it was
> free to spin. A 90 degree bend in the sheet metal at the bearing got
> the nut lined up with the stud. I was finally able to get the nut
> on by holding it in position and my wife spun it on the stud.
> Breaking the hot glue joints is easy but the nut is still not tight.
> To tighten the nut I used a tool from Aircraft Tool Supply the Rapco
> vacuum pump wrench # RA716 ($26.95)which after a small bend did the
> job nicely. I've enclosed a couple of photos.
>
> I hope none of you guys are going to tell me there is a really easy
> way to do this.
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> #40080 Finishing baffling
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| Subject: | Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone |
Go?
harrumph. just getting out from under an 80 hours in 5 days work week
with a crazy Icelandic band. didn't make it to osh for some
re-invigoration, so i've been trudging along making my nutty
modifications on a perfectly acceptable design. apparently, i'm crazy.
i've decided to limit myself now to no further modifications unless
absolutely necessary. i'm going to build exactly (sort of) to plans
from here on out. mods take time, and make you bonkers because there
are no steps to check off! i'm getting to the bottom of my list of
custom things that i really care about, and now i can get back on track.
did the final riveting, bolting, and epoxying of the cabin top to the
fuse over the weekend. phew! the list of nutty mods:
tailcone shelf
accuracy avionics overhead console
seatbelt system re-design
throttle quadrant sunk into tunnel
custom reverse-engraved closeout panels for overhead console (temp ones
in place for now, but the cad files are final)
custom reverse-engraved closeout panel for throttle quadrant/fuel
selector
i think the list goes further, but this is all the stuff that i've been
stuck on. i'll have to take a day in the near future to update the
website to reflect the progress. i keep falling asleep before i can get
to it in the evenings!
i did attach a couple pics of the main closeout panel for the accuracy
avionics overhead console that i made out of reverse-engraveable
acrylic. i built the logo in a cad program, made a cam file, and cut it
using my CNC desktop mill. the protective plastic is still stuck to the
front, but you get the idea. as you enter the aircraft, this should be
clearly visible, (the lettering is about 13" wide and 2.5" tall) and
since it's reverse engraved, i'll be backlighting it for use as the
cabin overhead light. double duty. sweet. time consuming. yup. i've
lost my mind. got to get back to checking stuff off in the plans....
cj aka "bonkers"
#40410
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Testing 1 2 3 - Is This Thing On? Where'd Everyone |
Go?
Whoops. Forgot the pics
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I'd like to get a tug for the -10 but in looking
around I find that Power Tow does not have anything
readymade and Skyline Aviation's Nosedragger will not
work. Anyone have any ideas?
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| Subject: | Tough nut on SD-20 |
There is a Snap-on wrench that Ed Hayden told me about last year and
that made it a LOT easier. It was still difficult but as I recall, I
was able to install the alternator in a single evening with the engine
on the mount.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
Olesen
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tough nut on SD-20
If you are using an SD-20 and a 90 degree oil filter adapter on your
RV-10 you will find that placing and tightening the lower inboard nut
on the alternator is very difficult. I thought about taking the oil
filter adapter off but then it looked like I would have similar
problems with the bolts on the adapter. The problem is that the
space is so limited that if you can hold the nut to the threads of
the stud you can't turn it. After trying off and on for a week I
finally came up with a solution. I hot glued the nut to the outside
of a 1/2" router bearing and then I glued a small piece of sheet
metal to the hole in the center of the bearing making sure it was
free to spin. A 90 degree bend in the sheet metal at the bearing got
the nut lined up with the stud. I was finally able to get the nut
on by holding it in position and my wife spun it on the stud.
Breaking the hot glue joints is easy but the nut is still not tight.
To tighten the nut I used a tool from Aircraft Tool Supply the Rapco
vacuum pump wrench # RA716 ($26.95)which after a small bend did the
job nicely. I've enclosed a couple of photos.
I hope none of you guys are going to tell me there is a really easy
way to do this.
Sheldon Olesen
#40080 Finishing baffling
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| Subject: | RV-10 builders in quiet summer retreat |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN2WlS-VjMo
For the many who are lurking, here is a teaser as to why I didn't spend
more time with my RV-10 friends this year on the ground at OSH. At
least Paul Grimstad (#450)and Deems Davis (#406)can relate.
SH (Sierra Hotel)- Redstars in action. "Great aircraft / Lousy
politics". My other plane is the RV-10. Next year is the 50th
anniversary of the CJ-6 Redstars, and you can expect a Really Big Show
there. Now - Get back to work.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft tugs |
I GOT A USED LAWN TRACTOR AND MY MECH. MADE A TOW BAR.
WORKS GREAT WITH ABOUT $400 INVESTED.
Doug Preston
N372RV
-----Original Message-----
From: curtis groote <cgroote1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:02 am
Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft tugs
I'd like to get a tug for the -10 but in looking
around I find that Power Tow does not have anything
readymade and Skyline Aviation's Nosedragger will not
work. Anyone have any ideas?
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 builders in quiet summer retreat |
The lights in the smoke system really look great. I am kicking myself for
not going up with those guys now. =0AThanks for the link John. =0A=0Ado no
t archive=0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Or
iginal Message ----=0AFrom: John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>=0ATo: rv10
-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:48:35 AM=0ASubject: R
V10-List: RV-10 builders in quiet summer retreat=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube
.com/watch?v=AN2WlS-VjMo=0AFor the many who are lurking, here is a teaser
as to why I didn=92t spend more time with my RV-10 friends this year on th
e ground at OSH. At least Paul Grimstad (#450)and Deems Davis (#406)can re
late.=0ASH (Sierra Hotel)' Redstars in action. =93Great aircraft / Lousy
politics=94. My other plane is the RV-10. Next year is the 50th anniversa
ry of the CJ-6 Redstars, and you can expect a Really Big Show there. Now -
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| Subject: | Re: Control stick freq flip/flop |
Sounds like I will be the first to be neutral on this issue. =0AI have the
com and nav flip/flop on my stick and honestly I don't use it much. That d
oesn't mean I wouldn't put it in.=0AFor me, the time when I am changing fre
quency the most is either in very busy class B airspace or IFR. During tho
se times you are changing at the request of ATC, you typically don't know w
hat frequency your switching to, and your hand is already on the panel anyw
ay rotating the knob.=0A =0AThis may sound crazy, but I wish I was able to
wire the volume for my xm radio into the stick. I find myself adjusting tha
t depending on if I like the tunes that are on. =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Asco
ttmschmidt@yahoo.com =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Deems
Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday,
August 23, 2007 1:53:41 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Control stick freq flip/fl
>=0A=0AI'm debating whether or not to connect the Freq Flip-Flop switch to
my =0Acontrol grips. My initial thought is to NOT connect it, I have the
=0Acapability of changing freq's either through my EFIS or direct through
=0Athe radio/s and adding yet another option increases complexity and =0Afa
ilure points. However in the back of my mind I recall a post from =0Asomeon
e how either loved or hated this feature on their stick, anybody =0Aout the
re?=0A=0ADeems Davis # 406=0A'Its all done....Its just not put together'=0A
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| Subject: | Retractable 3 point seat belt |
Chris,
Where are you sourcing the 3 point seat belt hardware?
Thanks,
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft tugs |
dougpflyrv(at)aol.com wrote:
> I GOT A USED LAWN TRACTOR AND MY MECH. MADE A TOW BAR.
> WORKS GREAT WITH ABOUT $400 INVESTED.
> Doug Preston
> N372RV
>
>
> --
In a past life I had a HEAVY 182 that I had to roll uphill into my hangar. Bought
a used electric golf cart with similar fabricated attachment, and that worked
perfectly for several years. Also made a nice vehicle for those bathroom
runs at the airport. [Shocked]
Mark
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130818#130818
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There was an article in the 2005 April Kitplanes that shows you how to make a homemade
power tow hook on the cheap. You should be able to look it up now if
you have a subscription.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of curtis groote
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft tugs
I'd like to get a tug for the -10 but in looking
around I find that Power Tow does not have anything
readymade and Skyline Aviation's Nosedragger will not
work. Anyone have any ideas?
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| Subject: | Retractable 3 point seat belt |
I found www.seatbeltpros.com to have pretty much what I needed. I
actually didn't mention much about my re-design because I felt that
people might freak out on me and tell me how it's unsafe to blah blah
blah. The bottom line for me was that aircraft seatbelts are always a
pain in the butt, and usually very cumbersome in their application. For
the RV-10 I feel it's doubly so. With some careful planning, it's
possible to have a standard 3 point retractable seatbelt setup that is
safe, and for the most part keeps out of the way when not in use. I
still have a couple parts to machine to make everything work, but I
think the end result will be excellent. It will also have the added
benefit of ease of use for passengers, as it has the same functionality
as a standard auto seatbelt.
I would caution those who would attempt the setup that I'm going with to
make certain of a couple KEY points.
I searched for awhile and ordered one set of belts as a tester to make
sure of this first point: the lap part of the belt needs to be able to
cinch tight across the lap regardless of the movement of the shoulder
strap. in an aircraft, this matters very much. Many automotive belts
have unrestricted webbing movement through the latch hardware. My
feeling for aircraft applications is that you should be able to snug the
lap part of the seatbelt and have it not move very much(for turbulence,
and general stay-put-ness).
The second point is more crucial... the retractor in most cars these
days are vehicle sensitive to a certain degree, and need to be mounted
in a specific orientation to work properly. The retractors I'm using
just take into account the speed of the webbing out of the retractor,
and halt it at a certain point. This means that you can mount them
however you want, and they'll work properly.
Make no mistake - installing retractable 3 point belts is an engineering
nightmare in the RV-10, but it can (I think!) be done. It mattered
enough to me to try to tackle the problem and come up with a solution
that works well. It might still blow up in my face and force me to go
back to the factory setup, but I think I've got it all sorted out. I'm
not sure if I would have attempted it if I didn't have access to a mill
to be able to build the parts I needed for mounting pads etc.
Sorry for the long-winded response, but I didn't want people to get the
impression that it was going to be a straight "bolt-on" mod. It takes a
bunch of forethought and planning to make it work.
cj
#40410
stuff
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Retractable 3 point seat belt
Chris,
Where are you sourcing the 3 point seat belt hardware?
Thanks,
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft tugs |
I got a Tow Buddy from Wag Aero. Works for my RV-6A and my RV-10.
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=9307
tim
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
curtis groote wrote:
>
> I'd like to get a tug for the -10 but in looking
> around I find that Power Tow does not have anything
> readymade and Skyline Aviation's Nosedragger will not
> work. Anyone have any ideas?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Retractable 3 point seat belt |
Guys,
Been there, done that, and mine are installed and I love 'em. AMSAFE belts
with retractors on all shoulder harnesses.
Send me a separate email and I'll send you a few pictures of the install on
mine.
Or better yet, ask Dave McNeill at _dlm46007@cox.net_
(mailto:dlm46007@cox.net) . He worked the design and installation. I was the first one to install
them in a 10.
Grumpy
N184JM
In a message dated 8/24/2007 2:27:24 PM Central Standard Time,
CJohnston@popsound.com writes:
I found www.seatbeltpros.com to have pretty much what I needed. I
actually didn't mention much about my re-design because I felt that
people might freak out on me and tell me how it's unsafe to blah blah
blah. The bottom line for me was that aircraft seatbelts are always a
pain in the butt, and usually very cumbersome in their application. For
the RV-10 I feel it's doubly so. With some careful planning, it's
possible to have a standard 3 point retractable seatbelt setup that is
safe, and for the most part keeps out of the way when not in use. I
still have a couple parts to machine to make everything work, but I
think the end result will be excellent. It will also have the added
benefit of ease of use for passengers, as it has the same functionality
as a standard auto seatbelt.
I would caution those who would attempt the setup that I'm going with to
make certain of a couple KEY points.
I searched for awhile and ordered one set of belts as a tester to make
sure of this first point: the lap part of the belt needs to be able to
cinch tight across the lap regardless of the movement of the shoulder
strap. in an aircraft, this matters very much. Many automotive belts
have unrestricted webbing movement through the latch hardware. My
feeling for aircraft applications is that you should be able to snug the
lap part of the seatbelt and have it not move very much(for turbulence,
and general stay-put-ness).
The second point is more crucial... the retractor in most cars these
days are vehicle sensitive to a certain degree, and need to be mounted
in a specific orientation to work properly. The retractors I'm using
just take into account the speed of the webbing out of the retractor,
and halt it at a certain point. This means that you can mount them
however you want, and they'll work properly.
Make no mistake - installing retractable 3 point belts is an engineering
nightmare in the RV-10, but it can (I think!) be done. It mattered
enough to me to try to tackle the problem and come up with a solution
that works well. It might still blow up in my face and force me to go
back to the factory setup, but I think I've got it all sorted out. I'm
not sure if I would have attempted it if I didn't have access to a mill
to be able to build the parts I needed for mounting pads etc.
Sorry for the long-winded response, but I didn't want people to get the
impression that it was going to be a straight "bolt-on" mod. It takes a
bunch of forethought and planning to make it work.
cj
#40410
stuff
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Retractable 3 point seat belt
Chris,
Where are you sourcing the 3 point seat belt hardware?
Thanks,
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Retractable 3 point seat belt |
How about sharing them with the group? I'd like to see them too.
JT
#40262
Send me a separate email and I'll send you a few pictures of the
install on mine.
Or better yet, ask Dave McNeill at dlm46007@cox.net. He worked the
design and installation. I was the first one to install them in a 10.
Grumpy
N184JM
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| Subject: | Racing with Deems |
OK Deems, have you got any of these on your plane yet? Trial fit of wings
today. It's starting to look like a flying machine.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Racing with Deems |
Oops! I attached the wrong pic-probably very few of us have a chopper on
any
kind on our planes. Albert
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Subject:
RV10-List: Racing with Deems
OK Deems, have you got any of these on your plane yet? Trial fit of
wings
today. It's starting to look like a flying machine.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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