---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/28/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:47 AM - Re: Op Tech Panel Pictures (gary) 2. 06:08 AM - Fuel Tank Sealant (Rob Hunter) 3. 07:25 AM - Protecting Fiberglass Parts (JSMcGrew@aol.com) 4. 07:34 AM - Re: Op Tech Panel Pictures (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 5. 07:57 AM - Re: Three Bladed Hartzell & IO-540 Combination (Jesse Saint) 6. 08:22 AM - Re: Protecting Fiberglass Parts (Vernon Smith) 7. 08:22 AM - Re: Op Tech Panel Pictures (David McNeill) 8. 08:23 AM - Re: Protecting Fiberglass Parts (pascal) 9. 08:26 AM - Composite Prop Repair (Mark Ritter) 10. 09:00 AM - Re: Composite Prop Repair (Rob Hunter) 11. 09:17 AM - Re: Protecting Fiberglass Parts (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 12. 09:19 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Sealant (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 13. 09:21 AM - Re: Composite Prop Repair (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 14. 09:41 AM - Re: Composite Prop Repair (Scott Schmidt) 15. 09:41 AM - Re: Composite Prop Repair (Mark Ritter) 16. 10:29 AM - Re: Op Tech Panel Pictures (Rick Sked) 17. 06:16 PM - FW: Dimple challenged tonight (Bob Leffler) 18. 06:42 PM - Re: FW: Dimple challenged tonight (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 19. 06:51 PM - Re: FW: Dimple challenged tonight (Rick Leach) 20. 07:54 PM - Re: Composite Prop Repair (LessDragProd@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:45 AM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Op Tech Panel Pictures When I power mine up it doesn't look near as cool because the moving map shows the surrounding area which is all green because the Midwest is pretty flat. Looks good. Gary 40274 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Op Tech Panel Pictures Some folks are curious about the Op Tech EFIS screens. Today I got my reassembled, painted, silkscreened, rewired panel powered up and shot some pictures. I posted them on the website: http://deemsrv10.com/album/Panel/slides/DSC05320.html Dual Alt, Dual Batt Dual Op Tech 8.4" 1500 NIT portrait EFIS Dynon D10A backup EFIS, (w/ internal b/u battery) Freeflight WAAS GPS Heads UP XM weather receiver SL30 SL40 JPI EIU Shadin ADC Crossbow AHRS I haven't flown behind these yet, but every time I power them up and 'play' with them, I get all itchy!!!!!!!!! Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:07 AM PST US From: "Rob Hunter" Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Sealant How long can you go past the expiration date on the fuel tank sealant if you kept it in the freezer since you received it. Rob Hunter 40432 Fuel tanks ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:46 AM PST US From: JSMcGrew@aol.com Subject: RV10-List: Protecting Fiberglass Parts I've realized it is going to be while before I get paint on my RV-10 so I think I need to put something on the fiberglass parts to keep them from being damaged from sunlight. It is hangared so it only gets exposed when flying or parked at a destination airfield. I was thinking of just putting a coat of some inexpensive Rustoleum primer on all the exposed fiberglass, do you think that will that provide the UV protection necessary? -Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew _http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew) http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Op Tech Panel Pictures From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." Steinair also has them and can custom engrave the labels for you. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos A Hernandez Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:47 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Op Tech Panel Pictures Deems, Where did you get the lighted rocker switches? I couldn't find that info on your site. Carlos in AZ Do not archive Deems Davis wrote: > > Some folks are curious about the Op Tech EFIS screens. Today I got my > reassembled, painted, silkscreened, rewired panel powered up and shot > some pictures. I posted them on the website: > http://deemsrv10.com/album/Panel/slides/DSC05320.html > > Dual Alt, Dual Batt > Dual Op Tech 8.4" 1500 NIT portrait EFIS > Dynon D10A backup EFIS, (w/ internal b/u battery) > Freeflight WAAS GPS > Heads UP XM weather receiver > SL30 > SL40 > JPI EIU > Shadin ADC > Crossbow AHRS > > I haven't flown behind these yet, but every time I power them up and > 'play' with them, I get all itchy!!!!!!!!! > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....Its just not put together' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:32 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Three Bladed Hartzell & IO-540 Combination I don't know if this is just for testing or actually available for customers, but I saw the 3-blade Hartzell on an IO-540 Maule, I believe, when I went to visit the factory recently. It definitely is the coolest looking prop I've seen on a small plane, but for 3 times the MT price and 4 times the Hartzell 2-Blade metal blade price, I don't see it being used a whole lot on RV-10's or Maule's, even if it does become available, although some would likely fork over the cash to have something that "special". Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Three Bladed Hartzell & IO-540 Combination Patrick - Don't go there. The Hartzell guys were evasive at Arlington and downright rude at OSH. They want $27,000 for the three blade composite which is now Type Certificated for the Cirrus SR-22 G2 and G3. Which by the way runs on a Continental IO-550N or TSIO-550 from Tornado Alley. Several airshow performers have a more robust composite three blade on IO-540s running higher compression pistons at upward of $35,000. Their official answer, "Hah, If you want a three blade Hartzell for the IO-540 then get VAN to personally request it otherwise.... Its not for sale on kitbuilts to individual builders". I came away licking my wounds and swearing that Deems and those who have gone with AeroComp and an American Propeller three color finished paint job have chosen wisely. If necessary, I kept their business cards in my "Do not ever frequent business with these guys". Just my opinion. Their two blade aluminum scimitar is the best you can get for the RV-10 if you want to climb slower (1700 fpm) and have VANS blessing. John C #40600 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: Three Bladed Hartzell & IO-540 Combination ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:01 AM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: Protecting Fiberglass Parts Jim, Not a answer to your question but something to think about. What ever paint you use, it would be nice if it is easily removable or at least compatible with your final paint system. Otherwise it could be a bear when it is time for final painting. There are sealer primers that will cover incompatible paints, but why chance it if you don't have to. How do I know? Been there d one that, on my first car restoration. Nothing as sickening as seeing your new paint job blistering and peeling up. Vern Smith (controls #324) do not archive From: JSMcGrew@aol.comDate: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:24:14 -0400Subject: RV10-Li st: Protecting Fiberglass PartsTo: rv10-list@matronics.com I've realized it is going to be while before I get paint on my RV-10 so I t hink I need to put something on the fiberglass parts to keep them from bein g damaged from sunlight. It is hangared so it only gets exposed when flying or parked at a destination airfield. I was thinking of just putting a coat of some inexpensive Rustoleum primer on all the exposed fiberglass, do you think that will that provide the UV protection necessary? -Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrewhttp://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew AOL.com. _________________________________________________________________ See what you=92re getting into=85before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:47 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Op Tech Panel Pictures Another source is www.mcmaster.com . -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Op Tech Panel Pictures Steinair also has them and can custom engrave the labels for you. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos A Hernandez Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:47 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Op Tech Panel Pictures Deems, Where did you get the lighted rocker switches? I couldn't find that info on your site. Carlos in AZ Do not archive Deems Davis wrote: > > Some folks are curious about the Op Tech EFIS screens. Today I got my > reassembled, painted, silkscreened, rewired panel powered up and shot > some pictures. I posted them on the website: > http://deemsrv10.com/album/Panel/slides/DSC05320.html > > Dual Alt, Dual Batt > Dual Op Tech 8.4" 1500 NIT portrait EFIS > Dynon D10A backup EFIS, (w/ internal b/u battery) > Freeflight WAAS GPS > Heads UP XM weather receiver > SL30 > SL40 > JPI EIU > Shadin ADC > Crossbow AHRS > > I haven't flown behind these yet, but every time I power them up and > 'play' with them, I get all itchy!!!!!!!!! > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....Its just not put together' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:12 AM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Protecting Fiberglass Parts A few years ago I built a fairing for my motorcycle. I used a walmart brand spray primer that was for wicker and fiberglass (rustoleum is more for metals) I painted it yellow and the bike sits outside while I build. No loss of color, no flaking, etc.. granted the speed is less than an RV but it works. Just get a primer that works for fiberglass and you'll be fine. Not sure about the UV protection however, you might want to spray some paint on top of the primer for the extra protection. Personally, I would get a Home depot brand (behr) white primer/paint and either spray it or roll it on. Pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: RV10-List: Protecting Fiberglass Parts I've realized it is going to be while before I get paint on my RV-10 so I think I need to put something on the fiberglass parts to keep them from being damaged from sunlight. It is hangared so it only gets exposed when flying or parked at a destination airfield. I was thinking of just putting a coat of some inexpensive Rustoleum primer on all the exposed fiberglass, do you think that will that provide the UV protection necessary? -Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:59 AM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair Does anyone know where I can find information on repairing nicks in an MT composite prop (or any composite prop for that matter). I picked up a several rock nicks over in Baja and used some JB Weld to repair the prop that seems to be working but not sure if this is the best way. Mark RV-10/N410MR _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:06 AM PST US From: "Rob Hunter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair Mark, Download the manual of the MT site and it will give you methods of repair and what might have to be sent back to the shop. http://www.mt-propeller.com/pdf/manuals/e-118.pdf Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair Does anyone know where I can find information on repairing nicks in an MT composite prop (or any composite prop for that matter). I picked up a several rock nicks over in Baja and used some JB Weld to repair the prop that seems to be working but not sure if this is the best way. Mark RV-10/N410MR _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:24 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Protecting Fiberglass Parts I believe you need something with a very high solids content in order to protect from UV which is the primary concern. Just painting it won't do th e job. I've seen fiberglass microwave antennas that were painted with a ra ttle can paint and a year later it was in rough shape. If it was me I would spend the extra couple $ and put on a coat of UV Smo othprime even if it means sanding it off later just to do it again. It tak es surprising little time for UV to degrade fiberglass and make it brittle. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Limbo From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: RV10-List: Protecting Fiberglass Parts I've realized it is going to be while before I get paint on my RV-10 so I t hink I need to put something on the fiberglass parts to keep them from bein g damaged from sunlight. It is hangared so it only gets exposed when flying or parked at a destination airfield. I was thinking of just putting a coat of some inexpensive Rustoleum primer on all the exposed fiberglass, do you think that will that provide the UV protection necessary? -Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:20 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Sealant If you are using it for anything critical like sealing your tank, I personally wouldn't go much past the date. Tank sealant is cheap compared to the $time$ and aggravation of fixing leaks in a tank. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Hunter Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Sealant How long can you go past the expiration date on the fuel tank sealant if you kept it in the freezer since you received it. Rob Hunter 40432 Fuel tanks ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:32 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair Did you try contacting Jim Ayers or the factory? Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair Does anyone know where I can find information on repairing nicks in an MT composite prop (or any composite prop for that matter). I picked up a several rock nicks over in Baja and used some JB Weld to repair the prop that seems to be working but not sure if this is the best way. Mark RV-10/N410MR _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:24 AM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair THE BAJA! I hope you type up a trip report and let us know where you went, and which places you liked. =0AThere were 5 planes that left on Saturday f rom my airport to the Baja for 10 days. They do a "boys" trip every year. It sure sounds fun. =0A=0AI would call MT directly. They may say don't wor ry about it at all. Alot of times it is difficult to keep the epoxy in the nicks.=0AI've talked to them at Oshkosh and they said it really depends on the size and if there are any cracks and if there are cracks the direction of the cracks can be critical. =0AThey get concerned if there are cracks that go in the direction of the chord but are less worried about cracks tha t go along the prop. =0AGood luck and post some pictures. =0A =0AScott Schm idt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom : Mark Ritter =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tu esday, August 28, 2007 8:26:27 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repa om>=0A=0A=0A=0ADoes anyone know where I can find information on repairing n icks in an MT =0Acomposite prop (or any composite prop for that matter). I picked up a =0Aseveral rock nicks over in Baja and used some JB Weld to re pair the prop =0Athat seems to be working but not sure if this is the best way.=0A=0AMark=0ARV-10/N410MR=0A=0A________________________________________ _________________________=0ABooking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. =0Ahttp://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast ========= ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:25 AM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair Will give Ayers a call. Thanks >From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" >To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:21:10 -0500 > > > >Did you try contacting Jim Ayers or the factory? > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:26 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair > > > >Does anyone know where I can find information on repairing nicks in an MT >composite prop (or any composite prop for that matter). I picked up a >several rock nicks over in Baja and used some JB Weld to repair the prop >that seems to be working but not sure if this is the best way. > >Mark >RV-10/N410MR > >_________________________________________________________________ >Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. >http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 > > _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Caf open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:44 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Op Tech Panel Pictures I picked up Honeywell AML 34 series from Newarkone electronics, you'll save about $10 a switch from them...if there is a demand you can save big dollars on a large purchase. You can get them engraved at the link you already posted, plus they sell the caps as well if you want, you need to read the part numbers carefully, some can be lighted some can't but they are very high quality switches, be prepared to spend at least $30 for each one. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Marks" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:35:34 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: Op Tech Panel Pictures Where did you get the lighted rocker switches? I couldn't find that info on your site. Carlos in AZ Do not archive http://www.engravers.net/aircraft/rocker_switches.htm http://www.engravers.net/rocker-switches/aml34-36.htm#Rocker%20Switch%20 Info Robin ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:43 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RV10-List: FW: Dimple challenged tonight While dimpling the skins of the elevator, I started getting tired and was pushing myself to complete the tasks at hand. As you might suspect, Murphy showed up and I screwed up. The attached picture isn't all that good, but you can clearly see that I missed the hole and it's now elongated. This is the bottom outside corner of the trailing edge of the elevator. I see my options as: 1. The anal perfectionist in me wants to order a new skin. 2. Find a way to make a repair that doesn't look too bad. 3. Whatcha worried about, just keep building, the proseal will keep things together. Thoughts, comments? Thanks, Bob ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:21 PM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Dimple challenged tonight Any chance you can drill it to a 30 and use an oops rivet? Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: RV10-List: FW: Dimple challenged tonight While dimpling the skins of the elevator, I started getting tired and was p ushing myself to complete the tasks at hand. As you might suspect, Murphy showed up and I screwed up. The attached picture isn't all that good, but you can clearly see that I missed the hole and it's now elongated. This is the bottom outside corner of the trailing edge of the elevator. I see my options as: 1. The anal perfectionist in me wants to order a new skin. 2. Find a way to make a repair that doesn't look too bad. 3. Whatcha worried about, just keep building, the proseal will keep t hings together. Thoughts, comments? Thanks, Bob ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:31 PM PST US From: "Rick Leach" Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Dimple challenged tonight We've all been there. Looks like you can drill it larger and use an oops rivet. If you can keep it smooth and the trailing edge is not out of whack, it'll fly. Keep on building. Rick 40397 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RV10-List: FW: Dimple challenged tonight While dimpling the skins of the elevator, I started getting tired and was pushing myself to complete the tasks at hand. As you might suspect, Murphy showed up and I screwed up. The attached picture isn't all that good, but you can clearly see that I missed the hole and it's now elongated. This is the bottom outside corner of the trailing edge of the elevator. I see my options as: 1. The anal perfectionist in me wants to order a new skin. 2. Find a way to make a repair that doesn't look too bad. 3. Whatcha worried about, just keep building, the proseal will keep things together. Thoughts, comments? Thanks, Bob ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:03 PM PST US From: LessDragProd@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Composite Prop Repair Use 5 minute Epoxy. It's use and the acceptable repair information is in the manual you received with the propeller. You know where the manual is. It is in the little paper envelope with the other propeller documents, that you stored in a safe place. :-) Regards, Jim Ayers In a message dated 08/28/2007 8:29:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mritter509@msn.com writes: --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter" Does anyone know where I can find information on repairing nicks in an MT composite prop (or any composite prop for that matter). I picked up a several rock nicks over in Baja and used some JB Weld to repair the prop that seems to be working but not sure if this is the best way. 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