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1. 12:12 AM - Re: autopilot install (tsts4)
2. 06:20 AM - WAAAY OT: Good web movie (Tim Olson)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which one? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: Wingtip lens (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
5. 09:02 AM - Re: Wingtip lens (Robin Marks)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which one? (pascal)
7. 10:00 AM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which one? (Tim Olson)
8. 10:04 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Sealant (linn Walters)
9. 10:25 AM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which one? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
10. 11:15 AM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? (pascal)
11. 11:33 AM - was Re: autopilot install- now which side? (orchidman)
12. 11:56 AM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? (Tim Olson)
13. 12:04 PM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? ()
14. 12:09 PM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
15. 12:19 PM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? (Mark Ritter)
16. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? ()
17. 07:24 PM - Re: Wingtip lens (ddnebert)
18. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Wingtip lens (Deems Davis)
19. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? (Perry Casson-home)
20. 08:52 PM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? (Rick Sked)
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| Subject: | Re: autopilot install |
Yes, you can buy the servos separately. As an example, I think the TT RV-10 API
pitch and trim servos and associated installation hardware altogether run about
$2300.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131744#131744
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| Subject: | WAAAY OT: Good web movie |
This is WAAAY off topic. Not airplane related other than
airplanes take cash.
Anyway, last night I watched a great video that's available
on google videos. It's a 45 minute animated thing on the banking
industry and how the government creates money. Now I know,
that sounds like a real snoozer to some, but it was extremely
enlightening to see, and after hearing some of the background
info it will REALLY make you think.
Anyway, I was pretty impressed. Here's a link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
I did find that if you look hard you can find it in Xvid .AVI,
so then it could be saved and watched while not online.
Sorry if you didn't want to hear all that. This video I
thought was one worth seeing by all. I'm surprised by
what I learned and it has info that kind of puts the markets
in perspective a bit.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: autopilot install- now which one? |
I have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's Aileron
trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and can both be done
after the fact, because I did it that way because the wings went to
paint early. But, and let me stress this but, I am in total agreement
with Tim that it is much easier to do it before the wings are on. There
is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that are
much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather than trying to
reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next one I do will have
everything done in the wings before they are attached.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true, will
go
with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a top notch servo to
fit
the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the simple $1000 cut it.. that is my
dilemma.
So survey here (for everyone):
which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak only) based
on
flying the RV-10.
Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps suggesting?
either one work better in one way.. etc.
Thanks!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install
>
> Three points:
>
> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on, but
> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a cradle
> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a while,
> but to wait until you're flying will just make you miserable later.
>
> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a TruTrak AP,
> and most people will want both pitch and roll servos. You just can't
> go wrong with what they have to offer. So, sure, you can wait and
> figure it out later if you want, but chances are, you're going to do
> just what is the most common anyway.
>
> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may not
> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install it, it
would
> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted. Yeah, there is more than
> one system available, but pretty much any aileron trim system will be
> OK at dealing with the out-of-trim that the RV-10 will encounter...so
> again, just going with the "standard" might just save you headaches
> down the road.
>
> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want to
> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then sure,
> you could experiment with tons of things over time. Experimenting
> though usually either costs, in either time, or money. The nice
> thing is that there are some "known good" things you can do that
> shave off the time for you.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> pascal wrote:
>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and aileron
trim
>> until I'm flying and determine what would work best based on real
flying
>> experience, in addition to cutting initial costs of building.How hard
is
>> it to install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed
versus
>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it now?
I
>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP later but
I
>> still want to know how hard it is now versus after completion.Thanks!
>> Pascal
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
>
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And I copied yours! But used blue instead so they match my paint stripe
out there...we all copy the good ideas, and Deems has allot of them and
freely shares.
The RV community is great about that, each of us trying to build a
better mousetrap and sharing that info with others!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wingtip lens
It's mine and all it is is silver rattle can paint applied from the
inside of the lens. Jeff Bordelon (my LED nav/strobe lite guy) did this
to his plane and I shamelessly copied it!
Deems
David Maib wrote:
>
> That really looks great, Deems. Is that your airplane? What is the
material that is covering the nut plates?
>
> David
>
> On Wednesday, August 29, 2007, at 05:53PM, "Deems Davis"
<deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's another idea that 'hides' the nut plates and I think gives a
bit
>> of decoration.
>>
>>
http://deemsrv10.com/album/LED%20Nav%20&%20Strobes/slides/DSC02219.html
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I was just goofing around at my second home on a laptop with only the
touchpad and very limited time before flying out ahead of some
thunderstorms. Next time I email a Twin RV-10 I will take greater care
in cleaning up the photo.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: autopilot install- now which one? |
Thank you to those who responded with feedback. I called TT this morning and
discovered that regardless of which AP I decide to go with I (as does anyone
with a -10) need the servo specific to the RV-10 ($2350) as it includes the
Torque enhancer that the other servos don't need.
So I now know I need to get the AP servo while building and I appear to have
one choice on the servo anyway.
Again thanks for the guidance.
Pascal
40720 Wings shipped!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>
> I have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's Aileron
> trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and can both be done
> after the fact, because I did it that way because the wings went to
> paint early. But, and let me stress this but, I am in total agreement
> with Tim that it is much easier to do it before the wings are on. There
> is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that are
> much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather than trying to
> reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next one I do will have
> everything done in the wings before they are attached.
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E Flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>
>
> As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true, will
> go
> with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a top notch servo to
> fit
> the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the simple $1000 cut it.. that is my
> dilemma.
> So survey here (for everyone):
> which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak only) based
> on
> flying the RV-10.
> Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps suggesting?
> either one work better in one way.. etc.
>
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install
>
>
>>
>> Three points:
>>
>> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on, but
>> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a cradle
>> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a while,
>> but to wait until you're flying will just make you miserable later.
>>
>> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a TruTrak AP,
>> and most people will want both pitch and roll servos. You just can't
>> go wrong with what they have to offer. So, sure, you can wait and
>> figure it out later if you want, but chances are, you're going to do
>> just what is the most common anyway.
>>
>> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may not
>> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install it, it
> would
>> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted. Yeah, there is more than
>> one system available, but pretty much any aileron trim system will be
>> OK at dealing with the out-of-trim that the RV-10 will encounter...so
>> again, just going with the "standard" might just save you headaches
>> down the road.
>>
>> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want to
>> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then sure,
>> you could experiment with tons of things over time. Experimenting
>> though usually either costs, in either time, or money. The nice
>> thing is that there are some "known good" things you can do that
>> shave off the time for you.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> pascal wrote:
>>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and aileron
> trim
>>> until I'm flying and determine what would work best based on real
> flying
>>> experience, in addition to cutting initial costs of building.How hard
> is
>>> it to install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed
> versus
>>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it now?
> I
>>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP later but
> I
>>> still want to know how hard it is now versus after completion.Thanks!
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: autopilot install- now which one? |
That's a pair, right? I mean, the whole DFIIVSGV autopilot is
under $5K.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
pascal wrote:
>
> Thank you to those who responded with feedback. I called TT this morning
> and discovered that regardless of which AP I decide to go with I (as
> does anyone with a -10) need the servo specific to the RV-10 ($2350) as
> it includes the Torque enhancer that the other servos don't need.
> So I now know I need to get the AP servo while building and I appear to
> have one choice on the servo anyway.
> Again thanks for the guidance.
> Pascal
> 40720 Wings shipped!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:24 AM
> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>
>
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>
>> I have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's Aileron
>> trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and can both be done
>> after the fact, because I did it that way because the wings went to
>> paint early. But, and let me stress this but, I am in total agreement
>> with Tim that it is much easier to do it before the wings are on. There
>> is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that are
>> much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather than trying to
>> reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next one I do will have
>> everything done in the wings before they are attached.
>> Dan
>> N289DT RV10E Flying
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>>
>>
>> As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true, will
>> go
>> with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a top notch servo to
>> fit
>> the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the simple $1000 cut it.. that is my
>> dilemma.
>> So survey here (for everyone):
>> which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak only) based
>> on
>> flying the RV-10.
>> Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps suggesting?
>> either one work better in one way.. etc.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Pascal
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Three points:
>>>
>>> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on, but
>>> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a cradle
>>> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a while,
>>> but to wait until you're flying will just make you miserable later.
>>>
>>> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a TruTrak AP,
>>> and most people will want both pitch and roll servos. You just can't
>>> go wrong with what they have to offer. So, sure, you can wait and
>>> figure it out later if you want, but chances are, you're going to do
>>> just what is the most common anyway.
>>>
>>> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may not
>>> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install it, it
>> would
>>> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted. Yeah, there is more than
>>> one system available, but pretty much any aileron trim system will be
>>> OK at dealing with the out-of-trim that the RV-10 will encounter...so
>>> again, just going with the "standard" might just save you headaches
>>> down the road.
>>>
>>> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want to
>>> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then sure,
>>> you could experiment with tons of things over time. Experimenting
>>> though usually either costs, in either time, or money. The nice
>>> thing is that there are some "known good" things you can do that
>>> shave off the time for you.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> pascal wrote:
>>>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and aileron
>> trim
>>>> until I'm flying and determine what would work best based on real
>> flying
>>>> experience, in addition to cutting initial costs of building.How hard
>> is
>>>> it to install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed
>> versus
>>>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it now?
>> I
>>>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP later but
>> I
>>>> still want to know how hard it is now versus after completion.Thanks!
>>>> Pascal
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Sealant |
How about 30 years???
I'm not kidding. I had kept original proseal from my BD-5 project
..... don't ask ..... in my hangar refrigerator and only recently
needed a small glob for a fuel tank leak on my Pitts. It cured just
like it did so many years ago. The base stuff had separated with an
oily substance on top, but after a very long mixing session and help
from a piece of stiff wire in a drill was workable. Tank now installed
and leak-free.
Having said all that, I don't think I'd use it in a place where
performance is critical or the place is inaccessible. The stuff just
isn't that expensive.
Linn
do not archive
Rob Hunter wrote:
>
>
>How long can you go past the expiration date on the fuel tank sealant if
>you kept it in the freezer since you received it.
>
>Rob Hunter
>40432
>Fuel tanks
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: autopilot install- now which one? |
I remember it being around $2k for the servo's and the remainder was
based on what APhead you bought
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
That's a pair, right? I mean, the whole DFIIVSGV autopilot is
under $5K.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
pascal wrote:
>
> Thank you to those who responded with feedback. I called TT this
morning
> and discovered that regardless of which AP I decide to go with I (as
> does anyone with a -10) need the servo specific to the RV-10 ($2350)
as
> it includes the Torque enhancer that the other servos don't need.
> So I now know I need to get the AP servo while building and I appear
to
> have one choice on the servo anyway.
> Again thanks for the guidance.
> Pascal
> 40720 Wings shipped!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:24 AM
> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>
>
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>
>> I have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's
Aileron
>> trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and can both be
done
>> after the fact, because I did it that way because the wings went to
>> paint early. But, and let me stress this but, I am in total agreement
>> with Tim that it is much easier to do it before the wings are on.
There
>> is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that are
>> much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather than trying
to
>> reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next one I do will have
>> everything done in the wings before they are attached.
>> Dan
>> N289DT RV10E Flying
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>>
>>
>> As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true,
will
>> go
>> with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a top notch servo to
>> fit
>> the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the simple $1000 cut it.. that is
my
>> dilemma.
>> So survey here (for everyone):
>> which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak only)
based
>> on
>> flying the RV-10.
>> Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps
suggesting?
>> either one work better in one way.. etc.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Pascal
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Three points:
>>>
>>> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on, but
>>> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a cradle
>>> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a while,
>>> but to wait until you're flying will just make you miserable later.
>>>
>>> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a TruTrak
AP,
>>> and most people will want both pitch and roll servos. You just
can't
>>> go wrong with what they have to offer. So, sure, you can wait and
>>> figure it out later if you want, but chances are, you're going to do
>>> just what is the most common anyway.
>>>
>>> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may not
>>> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install it, it
>> would
>>> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted. Yeah, there is more
than
>>> one system available, but pretty much any aileron trim system will
be
>>> OK at dealing with the out-of-trim that the RV-10 will
encounter...so
>>> again, just going with the "standard" might just save you headaches
>>> down the road.
>>>
>>> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want to
>>> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then sure,
>>> you could experiment with tons of things over time. Experimenting
>>> though usually either costs, in either time, or money. The nice
>>> thing is that there are some "known good" things you can do that
>>> shave off the time for you.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> pascal wrote:
>>>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and aileron
>> trim
>>>> until I'm flying and determine what would work best based on real
>> flying
>>>> experience, in addition to cutting initial costs of building.How
hard
>> is
>>>> it to install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed
>> versus
>>>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it
now?
>> I
>>>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP later
but
>> I
>>>> still want to know how hard it is now versus after
completion.Thanks!
>>>> Pascal
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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correct from their site
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf
Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets, torque enhancer,
wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)
Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -
total $5225
This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives
that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting
the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when
ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes on?
Thanks!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> I remember it being around $2k for the servo's and the remainder was
> based on what APhead you bought
> Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>
>
> That's a pair, right? I mean, the whole DFIIVSGV autopilot is
> under $5K.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> pascal wrote:
>>
>> Thank you to those who responded with feedback. I called TT this
> morning
>> and discovered that regardless of which AP I decide to go with I (as
>> does anyone with a -10) need the servo specific to the RV-10 ($2350)
> as
>> it includes the Torque enhancer that the other servos don't need.
>> So I now know I need to get the AP servo while building and I appear
> to
>> have one choice on the servo anyway.
>> Again thanks for the guidance.
>> Pascal
>> 40720 Wings shipped!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:24 AM
>> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>>
>>
>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>>
>>> I have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's
> Aileron
>>> trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and can both be
> done
>>> after the fact, because I did it that way because the wings went to
>>> paint early. But, and let me stress this but, I am in total
agreement
>>> with Tim that it is much easier to do it before the wings are on.
> There
>>> is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that
are
>>> much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather than
trying
> to
>>> reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next one I do will have
>>> everything done in the wings before they are attached.
>>> Dan
>>> N289DT RV10E Flying
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>>>
>>>
>>> As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true,
> will
>>> go
>>> with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a top notch servo
to
>>> fit
>>> the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the simple $1000 cut it.. that is
> my
>>> dilemma.
>>> So survey here (for everyone):
>>> which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak only)
> based
>>> on
>>> flying the RV-10.
>>> Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps
> suggesting?
>>> either one work better in one way.. etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Three points:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on,
but
>>>> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a cradle
>>>> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a while,
>>>> but to wait until you're flying will just make you miserable later.
>>>>
>>>> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a TruTrak
> AP,
>>>> and most people will want both pitch and roll servos. You just
> can't
>>>> go wrong with what they have to offer. So, sure, you can wait and
>>>> figure it out later if you want, but chances are, you're going to
do
>>>> just what is the most common anyway.
>>>>
>>>> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may not
>>>> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install it, it
>>> would
>>>> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted. Yeah, there is more
> than
>>>> one system available, but pretty much any aileron trim system will
> be
>>>> OK at dealing with the out-of-trim that the RV-10 will
> encounter...so
>>>> again, just going with the "standard" might just save you headaches
>>>> down the road.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want to
>>>> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then sure,
>>>> you could experiment with tons of things over time. Experimenting
>>>> though usually either costs, in either time, or money. The nice
>>>> thing is that there are some "known good" things you can do that
>>>> shave off the time for you.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> pascal wrote:
>>>>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and aileron
>>> trim
>>>>> until I'm flying and determine what would work best based on real
>>> flying
>>>>> experience, in addition to cutting initial costs of building.How
> hard
>>> is
>>>>> it to install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed
>>> versus
>>>>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it
> now?
>>> I
>>>>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP later
> but
>>> I
>>>>> still want to know how hard it is now versus after
> completion.Thanks!
>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne wrote:
>
> This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives that
someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting the aileron
trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when ordering, or does it even
matter with the servo which wing it goes on?
> Thanks!
> Pascal
> ---
Yes it does matter. The bracket is different based on which wing the wing servo
goes into. Normal is in the right wing.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Finishing Wings
(N410GB reserved)
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131857#131857
Message 12
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Before you buy....make note. You'll get a much better price
buying from a dealer. (yeah, I'm partial to SteinAir. ;) )
I made the mistake of buying some parts direct, and later
found out I paid more than I needed to.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
pascal wrote:
> correct from their site
> http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf
> Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets, torque enhancer,
> wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)
>
> Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -
>
> total $5225
>
>
>
> This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives
> that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting
> the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when
> ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes on?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pascal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com
> <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:24 AM
> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> >
> > I remember it being around $2k for the servo's and the remainder was
> > based on what APhead you bought
> > Dan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:00 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> >
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >
> > That's a pair, right? I mean, the whole DFIIVSGV autopilot is
> > under $5K.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > pascal wrote:
> <mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>>
> >>
> >> Thank you to those who responded with feedback. I called TT this
> > morning
> >> and discovered that regardless of which AP I decide to go with I (as
> >> does anyone with a -10) need the servo specific to the RV-10 ($2350)
> > as
> >> it includes the Torque enhancer that the other servos don't need.
> >> So I now know I need to get the AP servo while building and I appear
> > to
> >> have one choice on the servo anyway.
> >> Again thanks for the guidance.
> >> Pascal
> >> 40720 Wings shipped!
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
> >> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:24 AM
> >> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> >>
> >>
> >>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> >>>
> >>> I have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's
> > Aileron
> >>> trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and can both be
> > done
> >>> after the fact, because I did it that way because the wings went to
> >>> paint early. But, and let me stress this but, I am in total agreement
> >>> with Tim that it is much easier to do it before the wings are on.
> > There
> >>> is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that are
> >>> much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather than trying
> > to
> >>> reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next one I do will have
> >>> everything done in the wings before they are attached.
> >>> Dan
> >>> N289DT RV10E Flying
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM
> >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>> Subject: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> >>>
> <mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>>
> >>>
> >>> As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true,
> > will
> >>> go
> >>> with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a top notch servo to
> >>> fit
> >>> the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the simple $1000 cut it.. that is
> > my
> >>> dilemma.
> >>> So survey here (for everyone):
> >>> which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak only)
> > based
> >>> on
> >>> flying the RV-10.
> >>> Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps
> > suggesting?
> >>> either one work better in one way.. etc.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> Pascal
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:22 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install
> >>>
> >>>
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Three points:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on, but
> >>>> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a cradle
> >>>> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a while,
> >>>> but to wait until you're flying will just make you miserable later.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a TruTrak
> > AP,
> >>>> and most people will want both pitch and roll servos. You just
> > can't
> >>>> go wrong with what they have to offer. So, sure, you can wait and
> >>>> figure it out later if you want, but chances are, you're going to do
> >>>> just what is the most common anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may not
> >>>> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install it, it
> >>> would
> >>>> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted. Yeah, there is more
> > than
> >>>> one system available, but pretty much any aileron trim system will
> > be
> >>>> OK at dealing with the out-of-trim that the RV-10 will
> > encounter...so
> >>>> again, just going with the "standard" might just save you headaches
> >>>> down the road.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want to
> >>>> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then sure,
> >>>> you could experiment with tons of things over time. Experimenting
> >>>> though usually either costs, in either time, or money. The nice
> >>>> thing is that there are some "known good" things you can do that
> >>>> shave off the time for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >>>> do not archive
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> pascal wrote:
> >>>>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and aileron
> >>> trim
> >>>>> until I'm flying and determine what would work best based on real
> >>> flying
> >>>>> experience, in addition to cutting initial costs of building.How
> > hard
> >>> is
> >>>>> it to install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed
> >>> versus
> >>>>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it
> > now?
> >>> I
> >>>>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP later
> > but
> >>> I
> >>>>> still want to know how hard it is now versus after
> > completion.Thanks!
> >>>>> Pascal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
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> > ==========
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Also check Stark Avionics. I bought my TT autopilot there, and got what I
felt was the best price, and excellent service.
Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)
RV-10 40486 Slow-build Eggenfellner E-6T
Naperville, Illinois
Finishing kit
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side?
Before you buy....make note. You'll get a much better price buying from a
dealer. (yeah, I'm partial to SteinAir. ;) ) I made the mistake of buying
some parts direct, and later found out I paid more than I needed to.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
pascal wrote:
> correct from their site
> http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf
> Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets, torque enhancer,
> wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)
>
> Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -
>
> total $5225
>
>
>
> This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives
> that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting
> the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when
> ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes on?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pascal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com
> <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:24 AM
> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>> > > I remember
> it being around $2k for the servo's and the remainder was > based on
> what APhead you bought > Dan > -----Original Message----- > From:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Olson > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:00 PM > To:
> rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject:
> Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> >
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>> > > That's a pair, right? I mean, the
> whole DFIIVSGV autopilot is > under $5K.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > pascal wrote:
> <mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>> >> >> Thank you to those who
> responded with feedback. I called TT this > morning >> and
> discovered that regardless of which AP I decide to go with I (as >>
> does anyone with a -10) need the servo specific to the RV-10 ($2350)
> > as >> it includes the Torque enhancer that the other servos don't
> need.
> >> So I now know I need to get the AP servo while building and I
> appear > to >> have one choice on the servo anyway.
> >> Again thanks for the guidance.
> >> Pascal
> >> 40720 Wings shipped!
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
> >> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>> >> To:
> <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>> >> Sent:
> Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:24 AM >> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List:
> Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> >>
> >>
> >>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>> >>> >>> I
> have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's >
> Aileron >>> trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and
> can both be > done >>> after the fact, because I did it that way
> because the wings went to >>> paint early. But, and let me stress
> this but, I am in total agreement >>> with Tim that it is much easier
> to do it before the wings are on.
> > There
> >>> is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that
> are >>> much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather
> than trying > to >>> reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next
> one I do will have >>> everything done in the wings before they are
> attached.
> >>> Dan
> >>> N289DT RV10E Flying
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM >>> To:
> rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> >>> Subject:
> was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> >>>
> <rv10builder@verizon.net <mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>> >>> >>>
> As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true, >
> will >>> go >>> with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a
> top notch servo to >>> fit >>> the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the
> simple $1000 cut it.. that is > my >>> dilemma.
> >>> So survey here (for everyone):
> >>> which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak
> only) > based >>> on >>> flying the RV-10.
> >>> Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps >
> suggesting?
> >>> either one work better in one way.. etc.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> Pascal
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>> >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29,
> 2007 4:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install >>>
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>> >>>> >>>> Three points:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on,
> but >>>> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a
> cradle >>>> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a
> while, >>>> but to wait until you're flying will just make you miserable
later.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a
> TruTrak > AP, >>>> and most people will want both pitch and roll
> servos. You just > can't >>>> go wrong with what they have to
> offer. So, sure, you can wait and >>>> figure it out later if you
> want, but chances are, you're going to do >>>> just what is the most
> common anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may
> not >>>> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install
> it, it >>> would >>>> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted.
> Yeah, there is more > than >>>> one system available, but pretty
> much any aileron trim system will > be >>>> OK at dealing with the
> out-of-trim that the RV-10 will > encounter...so >>>> again, just
> going with the "standard" might just save you headaches >>>> down the
> road.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want
> to >>>> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then
> sure, >>>> you could experiment with tons of things over time.
> Experimenting >>>> though usually either costs, in either time, or
> money. The nice >>>> thing is that there are some "known good"
> things you can do that >>>> shave off the time for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>>> do not archive >>>>
> >>>> >>>> pascal wrote:
> >>>>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and
> aileron >>> trim >>>>> until I'm flying and determine what would
> work best based on real >>> flying >>>>> experience, in addition to
> cutting initial costs of building.How > hard >>> is >>>>> it to
> install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed >>> versus
> >>>>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it
> > now?
> >>> I
> >>>>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP
> later > but >>> I >>>>> still want to know how hard it is now
> versus after > completion.Thanks!
> >>>>> Pascal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==========
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Pascal,
Normally TT will send the kit for the right wing, but if you want it for
the left wing it's a different bracket. It will coexist with Van's
aileron trim fine. The servo install bracket actually replaces one of
the stock aileron bellcrank brackets (W-823-PP). The aileron trim from
Van's installs on the inboard inspection plate and connects via a couple
of springs to the torque tube that runs along the spar.
Advice given so far has been dead on - it's not whether you can install
the servo with the wing skins on (you can but it's a little more
difficult), but whether you want to do it while laying on your back
under the wing while it's mounted on the plane. The pitch servo is
easily accessible since it's just aft of the battery.
Whatever you do, at least install the wiring to the servo locations
ahead of time since it's a large bundle (and relatively inexpensive).
I'd recommend getting the multicolor bundled stuff from SteinAir - makes
things REALLY easy later.
Finally, the servos for MOST of the TT autopilots will be the same. The
low cost autopilots (DigiTrak, Altrak and Pictorial Pilot) use a
different type. The Digiflight II series and up (including the
Sorceror) use the same servos. TruTrak will also let you trade up from
one model to another for the price difference.
Bob #40105
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side?
correct from their site
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf
<http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf>
Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets, torque enhancer,
wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)
Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -
total $5225
This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives
that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting
the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when
ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes on?
Thanks!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com
<mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com> >
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
<LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com> >
>
> I remember it being around $2k for the servo's and the remainder was
> based on what APhead you bought
> Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>
<mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com> >
>
> That's a pair, right? I mean, the whole DFIIVSGV autopilot is
> under $5K.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> pascal wrote:
<mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net> >
>>
>> Thank you to those who responded with feedback. I called TT this
> morning
>> and discovered that regardless of which AP I decide to go with I (as
>> does anyone with a -10) need the servo specific to the RV-10 ($2350)
> as
>> it includes the Torque enhancer that the other servos don't need.
>> So I now know I need to get the AP servo while building and I appear
> to
>> have one choice on the servo anyway.
>> Again thanks for the guidance.
>> Pascal
>> 40720 Wings shipped!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com> >
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> >
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:24 AM
>> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>>
>>
>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com> >
>>>
>>> I have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's
> Aileron
>>> trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and can both be
> done
>>> after the fact, because I did it that way because the wings went to
>>> paint early. But, and let me stress this but, I am in total
agreement
>>> with Tim that it is much easier to do it before the wings are on.
> There
>>> is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that
are
>>> much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather than
trying
> to
>>> reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next one I do will have
>>> everything done in the wings before they are attached.
>>> Dan
>>> N289DT RV10E Flying
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
>>>
<mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net> >
>>>
>>> As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true,
> will
>>> go
>>> with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a top notch servo
to
>>> fit
>>> the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the simple $1000 cut it.. that is
> my
>>> dilemma.
>>> So survey here (for everyone):
>>> which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak only)
> based
>>> on
>>> flying the RV-10.
>>> Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps
> suggesting?
>>> either one work better in one way.. etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com
<mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com> >
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> >
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install
>>>
>>>
<mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com> >
>>>>
>>>> Three points:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on,
but
>>>> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a cradle
>>>> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a while,
>>>> but to wait until you're flying will just make you miserable later.
>>>>
>>>> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a TruTrak
> AP,
>>>> and most people will want both pitch and roll servos. You just
> can't
>>>> go wrong with what they have to offer. So, sure, you can wait and
>>>> figure it out later if you want, but chances are, you're going to
do
>>>> just what is the most common anyway.
>>>>
>>>> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may not
>>>> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install it, it
>>> would
>>>> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted. Yeah, there is more
> than
>>>> one system available, but pretty much any aileron trim system will
> be
>>>> OK at dealing with the out-of-trim that the RV-10 will
> encounter...so
>>>> again, just going with the "standard" might just save you headaches
>>>> down the road.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want to
>>>> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then sure,
>>>> you could experiment with tons of things over time. Experimenting
>>>> though usually either costs, in either time, or money. The nice
>>>> thing is that there are some "known good" things you can do that
>>>> shave off the time for you.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> pascal wrote:
>>>>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and aileron
>>> trim
>>>>> until I'm flying and determine what would work best based on real
>>> flying
>>>>> experience, in addition to cutting initial costs of building.How
> hard
>>> is
>>>>> it to install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed
>>> versus
>>>>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it
> now?
>>> I
>>>>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP later
> but
>>> I
>>>>> still want to know how hard it is now versus after
> completion.Thanks!
>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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You might also want to check with Alex DeDominicis. I purchased my Sorcerer
from Alex and service was great.
Mark
RV-10/N410MR
>From: <millstees@ameritech.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side?
>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:06:13 -0500
>
>
>Also check Stark Avionics. I bought my TT autopilot there, and got what I
>felt was the best price, and excellent service.
>
>Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)
>RV-10 40486 Slow-build Eggenfellner E-6T
>Naperville, Illinois
>Finishing kit
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:55 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side?
>
>
>Before you buy....make note. You'll get a much better price buying from a
>dealer. (yeah, I'm partial to SteinAir. ;) ) I made the mistake of buying
>some parts direct, and later found out I paid more than I needed to.
>
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>pascal wrote:
> > correct from their site
> > http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf
> > Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets, torque enhancer,
> > wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)
> >
> > Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -
> >
> > total $5225
> >
> >
> >
> > This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives
> > that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting
> > the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when
> > ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes on?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com
> > <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:24 AM
> > Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> >
> > <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>> > > I remember
> > it being around $2k for the servo's and the remainder was > based on
> > what APhead you bought > Dan > -----Original Message----- > From:
> > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> > Olson > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:00 PM > To:
> > rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject:
> > Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> > >
> > <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>> > > That's a pair, right? I mean, the
> > whole DFIIVSGV autopilot is > under $5K.
> > >
> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > > pascal wrote:
> > <mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>> >> >> Thank you to those who
> > responded with feedback. I called TT this > morning >> and
> > discovered that regardless of which AP I decide to go with I (as >>
> > does anyone with a -10) need the servo specific to the RV-10 ($2350)
> > > as >> it includes the Torque enhancer that the other servos don't
> > need.
> > >> So I now know I need to get the AP servo while building and I
> > appear > to >> have one choice on the servo anyway.
> > >> Again thanks for the guidance.
> > >> Pascal
> > >> 40720 Wings shipped!
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
> > >> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>> >> To:
> > <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>> >> Sent:
> > Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:24 AM >> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List:
> > Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>> >>> >>> I
> > have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's >
> > Aileron >>> trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and
> > can both be > done >>> after the fact, because I did it that way
> > because the wings went to >>> paint early. But, and let me stress
> > this but, I am in total agreement >>> with Tim that it is much easier
> > to do it before the wings are on.
> > > There
> > >>> is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that
> > are >>> much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather
> > than trying > to >>> reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next
> > one I do will have >>> everything done in the wings before they are
> > attached.
> > >>> Dan
> > >>> N289DT RV10E Flying
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM >>> To:
> > rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> >>> Subject:
> > was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> > >>>
> > <rv10builder@verizon.net <mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>> >>> >>>
> > As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true, >
> > will >>> go >>> with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a
> > top notch servo to >>> fit >>> the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the
> > simple $1000 cut it.. that is > my >>> dilemma.
> > >>> So survey here (for everyone):
> > >>> which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak
> > only) > based >>> on >>> flying the RV-10.
> > >>> Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps >
> > suggesting?
> > >>> either one work better in one way.. etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks!
> > >>> Pascal
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com
> > <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>> >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com
> > <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29,
> > 2007 4:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install >>>
> > <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>> >>>> >>>> Three points:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on,
> > but >>>> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a
> > cradle >>>> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a
> > while, >>>> but to wait until you're flying will just make you
>miserable
>later.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a
> > TruTrak > AP, >>>> and most people will want both pitch and roll
> > servos. You just > can't >>>> go wrong with what they have to
> > offer. So, sure, you can wait and >>>> figure it out later if you
> > want, but chances are, you're going to do >>>> just what is the most
> > common anyway.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may
> > not >>>> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install
> > it, it >>> would >>>> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted.
> > Yeah, there is more > than >>>> one system available, but pretty
> > much any aileron trim system will > be >>>> OK at dealing with the
> > out-of-trim that the RV-10 will > encounter...so >>>> again, just
> > going with the "standard" might just save you headaches >>>> down the
> > road.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want
> > to >>>> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then
> > sure, >>>> you could experiment with tons of things over time.
> > Experimenting >>>> though usually either costs, in either time, or
> > money. The nice >>>> thing is that there are some "known good"
> > things you can do that >>>> shave off the time for you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>>> do not archive >>>>
> > >>>> >>>> pascal wrote:
> > >>>>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and
> > aileron >>> trim >>>>> until I'm flying and determine what would
> > work best based on real >>> flying >>>>> experience, in addition to
> > cutting initial costs of building.How > hard >>> is >>>>> it to
> > install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed >>> versus
> > >>>>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it
> > > now?
> > >>> I
> > >>>>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP
> > later > but >>> I >>>>> still want to know how hard it is now
> > versus after > completion.Thanks!
> > >>>>> Pascal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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I know that Rich at Aircraft Extras (sales@aircraftextras.com ) has pretty good
pricing on TruTrak as well.
>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 01:55:13 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side?
>
>
> Before you buy....make note. You'll get a much better price
> buying from a dealer. (yeah, I'm partial to SteinAir. ;) )
> I made the mistake of buying some parts direct, and later
> found out I paid more than I needed to.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> pascal wrote:
> > correct from their site
> > http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/OrderFormPriceList.pdf
> > Servo- $2350 (RV-10AP includes mounting brackets, torque enhancer,
> > wiring harness, and associated AN hardware)
> >
> > Digiflight IIVSGV $2975 -
> >
> > total $5225
> >
> >
> >
> > This brings up another question. I recall looking through the archives
> > that someone mentioned getting it for the "other wing if your getting
> > the aileron trim from Vans"- did anyone do anything special when
> > ordering, or does it even matter with the servo which wing it goes on?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com
> > <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:24 AM
> > Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> >
> > <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> > >
> > > I remember it being around $2k for the servo's and the remainder was
> > > based on what APhead you bought
> > > Dan
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:00 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> > >
> > <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> > >
> > > That's a pair, right? I mean, the whole DFIIVSGV autopilot is
> > > under $5K.
> > >
> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > > pascal wrote:
> > <mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>>
> > >>
> > >> Thank you to those who responded with feedback. I called TT this
> > > morning
> > >> and discovered that regardless of which AP I decide to go with I (as
> > >> does anyone with a -10) need the servo specific to the RV-10 ($2350)
> > > as
> > >> it includes the Torque enhancer that the other servos don't need.
> > >> So I now know I need to get the AP servo while building and I appear
> > > to
> > >> have one choice on the servo anyway.
> > >> Again thanks for the guidance.
> > >> Pascal
> > >> 40720 Wings shipped!
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
> > >> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> > >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:24 AM
> > >> Subject: RE: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I have the Sorcerer, will be adding Yaw to it, and I have Van's
> > > Aileron
> > >>> trim. Both packages are nice and simple to install, and can both be
> > > done
> > >>> after the fact, because I did it that way because the wings went to
> > >>> paint early. But, and let me stress this but, I am in total agreement
> > >>> with Tim that it is much easier to do it before the wings are on.
> > > There
> > >>> is safety wire and several other things that need to be done that are
> > >>> much easier when looking at it in the wing cradle, rather than trying
> > > to
> > >>> reach up from a crawler on the floor. The next one I do will have
> > >>> everything done in the wings before they are attached.
> > >>> Dan
> > >>> N289DT RV10E Flying
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 PM
> > >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > >>> Subject: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which one?
> > >>>
> > <mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net>>
> > >>>
> > >>> As always, thanks for the insight Tim. Want simple; tried and true,
> > > will
> > >>> go
> > >>> with Trutrak the problem is do I spend $2350 for a top notch servo to
> > >>> fit
> > >>> the RV-10ap, and sorcerer or will the simple $1000 cut it.. that is
> > > my
> > >>> dilemma.
> > >>> So survey here (for everyone):
> > >>> which AP version was bought and would get/recommend (trutrak only)
> > > based
> > >>> on
> > >>> flying the RV-10.
> > >>> Is the Van's Aileron trim equal to the Aerotrim Jesse keeps
> > > suggesting?
> > >>> either one work better in one way.. etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks!
> > >>> Pascal
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com
> > <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> > >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:22 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Three points:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1) Installing those things isn't too bad after the skins are on, but
> > >>>> installing them after the wing is mounted and out of a cradle
> > >>>> would be a real pain. I can see defraying the cost for a while,
> > >>>> but to wait until you're flying will just make you miserable later.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2) 95%+ of the RV-10's out there will probably just have a TruTrak
> > > AP,
> > >>>> and most people will want both pitch and roll servos. You just
> > > can't
> > >>>> go wrong with what they have to offer. So, sure, you can wait and
> > >>>> figure it out later if you want, but chances are, you're going to do
> > >>>> just what is the most common anyway.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 3) You could skip aileron trim if you really want to. You may not
> > >>>> even miss it all that much. But if you're going to install it, it
> > >>> would
> > >>>> be easiest to do before the wing is mounted. Yeah, there is more
> > > than
> > >>>> one system available, but pretty much any aileron trim system will
> > > be
> > >>>> OK at dealing with the out-of-trim that the RV-10 will
> > > encounter...so
> > >>>> again, just going with the "standard" might just save you headaches
> > >>>> down the road.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Of course, if you are so into the building process that you want to
> > >>>> have a very long term project, even post-flight time, then sure,
> > >>>> you could experiment with tons of things over time. Experimenting
> > >>>> though usually either costs, in either time, or money. The nice
> > >>>> thing is that there are some "known good" things you can do that
> > >>>> shave off the time for you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > >>>> do not archive
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> pascal wrote:
> > >>>>> I am looking for things to wait on, like the autopilot and aileron
> > >>> trim
> > >>>>> until I'm flying and determine what would work best based on real
> > >>> flying
> > >>>>> experience, in addition to cutting initial costs of building.How
> > > hard
> > >>> is
> > >>>>> it to install the ap and trim servos after the wings are closed
> > >>> versus
> > >>>>> doing it while I have the bottom wing open?Is it worth doing it
> > > now?
> > >>> I
> > >>>>> know I can buy just the servos from TT and deal with the AP later
> > > but
> > >>> I
> > >>>>> still want to know how hard it is now versus after
> > > completion.Thanks!
> > >>>>> Pascal
> > >>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip lens |
Deems Davis wrote:
> It's mine and all it is is silver rattle can paint applied from the
> inside of the lens. Jeff Bordelon (my LED nav/strobe lite guy) did this
> to his plane and I shamelessly copied it!
>
> Deems
>
>
I see you do not have a glass globe on your strobe. Is this not something to worry
about?
Doug Nebert
Builder # 40546 - in the wings
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip lens |
It's not something I'm worrying about at the present. What is the hazard
and related consequence that would be avoided with a glass cover? I'm
not trying to be smart, I really don't know. The strobe is 'protected'
from direct moisture by virtue of the plexi.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
ddnebert wrote:
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>
>> It's mine and all it is is silver rattle can paint applied from the
>> inside of the lens. Jeff Bordelon (my LED nav/strobe lite guy) did this
>> to his plane and I shamelessly copied it!
>>
>> Deems
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> I see you do not have a glass globe on your strobe. Is this not something to
worry about?
>
> Doug Nebert
> Builder # 40546 - in the wings
>
> --------
> RV-10 Builder #40546
>
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| Subject: | Re: autopilot install- now which side? |
I've got a two axis TruTrak installed in my 10 one thing that really bugs me is
how much friction is
added to the control system when the AP is not in use. RV's normally have such
nice smooth and
balanced controls especially if I compare it to my Glastar where the ailerons are
very stiff and not
coordinated to the pitch force. Adding the TT servos added a lot of friction to
the -10 control
system. My other plane has a single axis an old Navaid AP but it's servo had a
clutch that
disconnected the motor from the control system when it was not in use so if the
AP was off there is
no added friction from spinning a powered down motor like the TT servo. I would
think the -46789
guys would find this an even bigger deal. There is no way I would mess up a -4's
lovely control
feel by hanging a pair of TT servos on them if they all work like mine.
Am I the only one who has this complaint? Are my servos bad or did I wire them
wrong?
Assuming my TT stuff is operating as it's designed I'd say there is some room for
improvement in the
TT product before I'd give it an unqualified recommendation.
Perry Casson
C-FMHP - Regina, Sk.
Waiting on paperwork...
http://casson.2y.net/rv-10
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| Subject: | Re: autopilot install- now which side? |
Although I haven't flown yet, the drag you mention is not as noticable when everything
is connected and you use the stick to move the controls. The aileron trim
springs add more to the mix as well but I don't find any of this added tension
very noticable ie like hard to move the stick. But this ain't no RV-4 either.
Rick S.
40185
Wiring & panel almost done
----- Original Message -----
From: "Perry Casson-home" <pcasson@sasktel.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:35:20 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side?
I've got a two axis TruTrak installed in my 10 one thing that really bugs me is
how much friction is
added to the control system when the AP is not in use. RV's normally have such
nice smooth and
balanced controls especially if I compare it to my Glastar where the ailerons are
very stiff and not
coordinated to the pitch force. Adding the TT servos added a lot of friction to
the -10 control
system. My other plane has a single axis an old Navaid AP but it's servo had a
clutch that
disconnected the motor from the control system when it was not in use so if the
AP was off there is
no added friction from spinning a powered down motor like the TT servo. I would
think the -46789
guys would find this an even bigger deal. There is no way I would mess up a -4's
lovely control
feel by hanging a pair of TT servos on them if they all work like mine.
Am I the only one who has this complaint? Are my servos bad or did I wire them
wrong?
Assuming my TT stuff is operating as it's designed I'd say there is some room for
improvement in the
TT product before I'd give it an unqualified recommendation.
Perry Casson
C-FMHP - Regina, Sk.
Waiting on paperwork...
http://casson.2y.net/rv-10
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