---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/31/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:27 AM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? (Tim Olson) 2. 05:40 AM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which one?was Re: autopilot install- now which one?Re: autopilot install (Wayne Edgerton) 3. 05:53 AM - ADS-B Contract Awarded (Tim Olson) 4. 07:39 AM - RV-10 incident? (Tim Olson) 5. 02:06 PM - Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? (ACS) 6. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which side? (Marcus Cooper) 7. 03:31 PM - Re: ADS-B Contract Awarded (Marcus Cooper) 8. 08:00 PM - Re: RV-10 incident? (Dave Leikam) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:07 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side? This one to me seems to come from far left field. After flying for so many hours, it just seems like you need to get it in the air to feel it. My sticks flop about easily when on the ground. In the air the control feel is super light. Actually, the pitch forces are a bit low at times. In roll, I'm very happy that the ailerons get some stiffness to them. It's still a plenty light plane that flies with fingertips only, but if the roll forces were any less, I'd be more worried about how the plane would be to fly IFR. Even with the airplane off though, the controls are so easy to manipulate that any friction from the servos is barely noticeable. I think you'll have to get it flying and spend some time with it, because you'll have a lot less to complain about once you feel it in the air. It isn't a 4,6,7,8 but even if I was wanting to do aerobatics all I'd want out of the plane was maybe a bit lighter aileron, and that would be more a factor of aileron size than any minor amount of servo friction. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Perry Casson-home wrote: > > > I've got a two axis TruTrak installed in my 10 one thing that really bugs me is how much friction is > added to the control system when the AP is not in use. RV's normally have such nice smooth and > balanced controls especially if I compare it to my Glastar where the ailerons are very stiff and not > coordinated to the pitch force. Adding the TT servos added a lot of friction to the -10 control > system. My other plane has a single axis an old Navaid AP but it's servo had a clutch that > disconnected the motor from the control system when it was not in use so if the AP was off there is > no added friction from spinning a powered down motor like the TT servo. I would think the -46789 > guys would find this an even bigger deal. There is no way I would mess up a -4's lovely control > feel by hanging a pair of TT servos on them if they all work like mine. > > Am I the only one who has this complaint? Are my servos bad or did I wire them wrong? > > Assuming my TT stuff is operating as it's designed I'd say there is some room for improvement in the > TT product before I'd give it an unqualified recommendation. > > > Perry Casson > C-FMHP - Regina, Sk. > Waiting on paperwork... > http://casson.2y.net/rv-10 > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:20 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: was Re: Re: autopilot install- now which one?was Re: autopilot install- now which one?Re: autopilot install Just as an FYI. When I ordered my TT Sorcerer ( I have the full blown version) I ass/u/med ( you know the / saying ) that it had an auto trim feature included, but since I've starting flying I now realize that the auto trim feature is a separate option. What happens without it is the auto pilot will audio out for the pilot to "trim up" or trim down" . Yesterday while flying at around 2500' I was showing someone how the auto pilot worked. It was a little bumpy here in the TX warm afternoon and the AP was saying trim up or trim down a bunch. It gets a little annoying, you're trying to talk and it's saying "trim up" or "trim down". When I first starting flying the plane, the auto pilot would say trim up or down and I thought it was just telling me everything that it was doing not that I needed to do the trimming, so I wasn't doing anything and it would just keep telling me. In my last plane I had the Century IV AP and it did that function for me so I was use to not having to do this.. Anyway I have since ordered the auto trim feature, another $650, and will be installing it shortly. I probably could live without it but it's sometimes a little distracting for it to be putting out audio trim commands all the time. In hard IFR I'm concerned that it could become a major distraction from the tasks at hand. I absolutely love the AP though. This thing can do about anything you could want it to do and then some. For those who have the Chelton's and the TruTrak AP, I started out with Chelton software ver 6.0A9 and when I used the GPS steer (GPSS) function the AP would kind of wonder around trying to keep on coarse. I have since upgraded to Chelton's latest ver 6.0A16 and it' really tracks the coarse great now. Wayne Edgerton N602WT flying and going to paint on Tuesday :>} ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:25 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: ADS-B Contract Awarded I heard yesterday that ITT corp won the ADS-B contract witht he FAA. That actually means that WSI will be the official provider of weather for the ADS-B system. I guess that wasn't surprising though because they were the weather source that the FAA used elsewhere too. I did question them as to if this means the weather will be free via ADS-B or will it later be fee-based. I don't think a fee-based thing is on anyone's mind right now this early in the game. But, I did hear that the only thing that will be available initially will be NowRAD, so all of those other weather features are still something you'll want one of the paid-for services to get. There are lots more things of value that you get with those services, like lightning, echo tops, winds, and so on. Anyway, here's the news clip that I saw this a.m. after having heard the above... FAA AWARDS ADS-B CONTRACT, MARK YOUR CALENDAR FOR 2020 The FAA on August 30 awarded an ITT Corporation team the $1.8 billion contract to build and operate the ADS-B (automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast) ground infrastructure. Unlike traditional FAA projects where the contractor builds the equipment and turns it over to the agency, ITT will own the infrastructure and supply aircraft position data to the FAA. While the FAA calls ADS-B the "backbone" of the NextGen air traffic control modernization program, "this is really just Phase One of a project that extends out more than a decade," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "This won't be like the hurried Mode C transponder mandate when Congress gave aircraft owners 18 months to equip. If ADS-B is ultimately mandated for general aviation, it won't be until 2020." See AOPA Online ( http://www.aopa.org/epilot/redir.cfm?adid=12710 ). -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:57 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 incident? Anyone hear about a possible RV-10 incident recently? It might have been yesterday, and might have involved one of the build-for-customer RV-10's? Trying to see if there's fact to the rumor at this point. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:17 PM PST US From: "ACS" Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side? Tim, I'd have to say my experience with the pitch servo (I'm not flying yet) is the stick stays whever I put it. In other words, it definetly doesn't flop around like it did before the servo was connected. Maybe not left field? I'll post the model of the servo later when I can view it. John 40315.(endless finishing) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side? > > This one to me seems to come from far left field. After flying for > so many hours, it just seems like you need to get it in the air > to feel it. My sticks flop about easily when on the ground. In the > air the control feel is super light. Actually, the pitch forces > are a bit low at times. In roll, I'm very happy that the ailerons > get some stiffness to them. It's still a plenty light plane that > flies with fingertips only, but if the roll forces were any less, > I'd be more worried about how the plane would be to fly IFR. Even > with the airplane off though, the controls are so easy to manipulate > that any friction from the servos is barely noticeable. I think > you'll have to get it flying and spend some time with it, because > you'll have a lot less to complain about once you feel it in the > air. It isn't a 4,6,7,8 but even if I was wanting to do aerobatics > all I'd want out of the plane was maybe a bit lighter aileron, > and that would be more a factor of aileron size than any minor > amount of servo friction. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Perry Casson-home wrote: >> >> I've got a two axis TruTrak installed in my 10 one thing that really >> bugs me is how much friction is >> added to the control system when the AP is not in use. RV's normally >> have such nice smooth and >> balanced controls especially if I compare it to my Glastar where the >> ailerons are very stiff and not >> coordinated to the pitch force. Adding the TT servos added a lot of >> friction to the -10 control >> system. My other plane has a single axis an old Navaid AP but it's servo >> had a clutch that >> disconnected the motor from the control system when it was not in use so >> if the AP was off there is >> no added friction from spinning a powered down motor like the TT servo. >> I would think the -46789 >> guys would find this an even bigger deal. There is no way I would mess >> up a -4's lovely control >> feel by hanging a pair of TT servos on them if they all work like mine. >> Am I the only one who has this complaint? Are my servos bad or did I >> wire them wrong? Assuming my TT stuff is operating as it's designed I'd >> say there is some room for improvement in the >> TT product before I'd give it an unqualified recommendation. Perry >> Casson >> C-FMHP - Regina, Sk. >> Waiting on paperwork... >> http://casson.2y.net/rv-10 >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:33 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side? Perry, It sounds like my experience is similar to the other responses. I can't even tell it's there when I don't have the autopilot engaged and I have time in a lot of high performance machines as well as the RV-6. I'm not sure if that's what you wanted to hear. Marcus 40286 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry Casson-home Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Re: was Re: RV10-List: Re: autopilot install- now which side? I've got a two axis TruTrak installed in my 10 one thing that really bugs me is how much friction is added to the control system when the AP is not in use. RV's normally have such nice smooth and balanced controls especially if I compare it to my Glastar where the ailerons are very stiff and not coordinated to the pitch force. Adding the TT servos added a lot of friction to the -10 control system. My other plane has a single axis an old Navaid AP but it's servo had a clutch that disconnected the motor from the control system when it was not in use so if the AP was off there is no added friction from spinning a powered down motor like the TT servo. I would think the -46789 guys would find this an even bigger deal. There is no way I would mess up a -4's lovely control feel by hanging a pair of TT servos on them if they all work like mine. Am I the only one who has this complaint? Are my servos bad or did I wire them wrong? Assuming my TT stuff is operating as it's designed I'd say there is some room for improvement in the TT product before I'd give it an unqualified recommendation. Perry Casson C-FMHP - Regina, Sk. Waiting on paperwork... http://casson.2y.net/rv-10 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:59 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: ADS-B Contract Awarded Sure wish you had posted this yesterday, the stock spiked 5% today! Maybe I could have made enough to afford an ADS-B system someday ;) Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:52 AM Subject: RV10-List: ADS-B Contract Awarded I heard yesterday that ITT corp won the ADS-B contract witht he FAA. That actually means that WSI will be the official provider of weather for the ADS-B system. I guess that wasn't surprising though because they were the weather source that the FAA used elsewhere too. I did question them as to if this means the weather will be free via ADS-B or will it later be fee-based. I don't think a fee-based thing is on anyone's mind right now this early in the game. But, I did hear that the only thing that will be available initially will be NowRAD, so all of those other weather features are still something you'll want one of the paid-for services to get. There are lots more things of value that you get with those services, like lightning, echo tops, winds, and so on. Anyway, here's the news clip that I saw this a.m. after having heard the above... FAA AWARDS ADS-B CONTRACT, MARK YOUR CALENDAR FOR 2020 The FAA on August 30 awarded an ITT Corporation team the $1.8 billion contract to build and operate the ADS-B (automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast) ground infrastructure. Unlike traditional FAA projects where the contractor builds the equipment and turns it over to the agency, ITT will own the infrastructure and supply aircraft position data to the FAA. While the FAA calls ADS-B the "backbone" of the NextGen air traffic control modernization program, "this is really just Phase One of a project that extends out more than a decade," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "This won't be like the hurried Mode C transponder mandate when Congress gave aircraft owners 18 months to equip. If ADS-B is ultimately mandated for general aviation, it won't be until 2020." See AOPA Online ( http://www.aopa.org/epilot/redir.cfm?adid=12710 ). -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:16 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 incident? What did you hear and from whom? Nothing from Google. Dave Leikam 40496 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 incident? > > Anyone hear about a possible RV-10 incident recently? It might > have been yesterday, and might have involved one of the > build-for-customer RV-10's? Trying to see if there's fact > to the rumor at this point. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.