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1. 02:18 PM - phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (Chris Johnston)
2. 04:50 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (linn Walters)
3. 06:14 PM - The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? (Jesse Saint)
4. 06:53 PM - Re: The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? (Tim Olson)
5. 07:10 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (John W. Cox)
6. 07:17 PM - Magneto Spark Plug Wires (zackrv8)
7. 07:19 PM - Re: WAAAY OT: Good web movie (Jesse Saint)
8. 07:51 PM - Re: Magneto Spark Plug Wires (Tim Olson)
9. 08:02 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (John Testement)
10. 08:24 PM - Tinted windows (Kelly McMullen)
11. 08:42 PM - Since we have a few OT's....check out this Tri-motor (Rick Sked)
12. 08:51 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (Rick Sked)
13. 09:20 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (Chris Johnston)
14. 09:25 PM - Re: The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? |
hey all -
what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do
that before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but
i have no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do
this? what the heck?
cj
phosphoric phool
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| Subject: | Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? |
Phosphoric acid is the basic ingredient in aluminum 'brighteners' that
will surface etch the aluminum and make it the best it can be for
bonding with paint and epoxies etc. I use it to clean prior to alodine
or painting. I like to take an old terry cloth towel and soak it with
the acid and wipe the aluminum down real good. Flush with copious
amounts of water, dry the surface and do the next step fairly quickly
.... whatever it is you're doing.
Linn
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Chris Johnston wrote:
>hey all -
>
>what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do that before
you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but i have no idea
what it means. is there a special product you use to do this? what the heck?
>
>cj
>phosphoric phool
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? |
This hopefully will interest some. N256H just made it's longest non-stop
flight on Saturday afternoon/evening. With full standard tanks, 3 people on
board and about 120 lbs of baggage (read stuff), we flew from Newton, KS
(KEWK) to Dunnellon, FL (X35), with a little "swerving" around thunderstorms
right at the end for a total of 1,070 statute miles. According to
Weathermeister.com, the GPS/EFIS comparison between TAS and GS, and the
winds aloft info from the Flight Cheetah and Garmin 396, we averaged between
5 and 10 knot headwinds over the 7 hour 3 minute flight. With 55 gallons
burned, that averaged less than 8 gph and left 5/8's hour of reserve. Not
bad for an "experimental" aircraft, huh? Can anybody tell me about another
4-place that can fly over 1,000 miles nonstop averaging almost 20 mpg over
the ground, into some modest winds? Oh, that was at 17,500 the whole way
with fuel flows between 6.9 and 7.4 gph in cruise. Departed KEWK at 5:23pm
Central and landed X35 at 1:26am Eastern. I hope I'm not the only one that
loves to fly at night. That was FANTASTIC!
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? |
Great report Jesse. I haven't flown that kind of non-stop distance
in the -10, but I frequently see a listed range upwards of 1000nm
once in LOP cruise at higher altitudes, so I know it's possible.
I'd probably be sweating a bit landing with 5 gallons, just in
case of having fuel unporting during a slip to crosswind
landing, but I've tested the usable fuel and found that when you're
out, there's less than 1/2 qt or so that will drain out, so
as long as there's no crosswind, and you meet the 1/2 hour
reserve, it's do able for sure.
Nope, you're not the only one that loves flying at night. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> This hopefully will interest some. N256H just made its longest
> non-stop flight on Saturday afternoon/evening. With full standard
> tanks, 3 people on board and about 120 lbs of baggage (read stuff), we
> flew from Newton, KS (KEWK) to Dunnellon, FL (X35), with a little
> swerving around thunderstorms right at the end for a total of 1,070
> statute miles. According to Weathermeister.com, the GPS/EFIS comparison
> between TAS and GS, and the winds aloft info from the Flight Cheetah and
> Garmin 396, we averaged between 5 and 10 knot headwinds over the 7 hour
> 3 minute flight. With 55 gallons burned, that averaged less than 8 gph
> and left 5/8s hour of reserve. Not bad for an experimental aircraft,
> huh? Can anybody tell me about another 4-place that can fly over 1,000
> miles nonstop averaging almost 20 mpg over the ground, into some modest
> winds? Oh, that was at 17,500 the whole way with fuel flows between 6.9
> and 7.4 gph in cruise. Departed KEWK at 5:23pm Central and landed X35
> at 1:26am Eastern. I hope Im not the only one that loves to fly at
> night. That was FANTASTIC!
>
>
>
> Do not archive
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>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? |
Phosphoric acid etch is the first of two steps in alodine treatment of
aluminum Alclad. The phosphoric acid is the etching process which
allows primer to adhere after alodine treats the surface.
If primer adheres better, then you might conclude that the adhesive
adheres better to retain the referenced part.
Ask Jesse about whether he followed that specific step and the method
used for replacement of the original windscreen after damage from errant
Columbia propellers.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation?
hey all -
what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do
that before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but
i have no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do
this? what the heck?
cj
phosphoric phool
do not archive
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| Subject: | Magneto Spark Plug Wires |
Guys,
I have a Lightspeed Ignition on top with the beautiful MSD 8.5 Super Conductor
Wires that Klauss supplies in the kit. However, I see that some of you have
the nice Silicone wires (red in color) on the bottom magneto. Where can I get
the "colored" silicone magento wires for the mag?
Zack
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132595#132595
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| Subject: | WAAAY OT: Good web movie |
Apparently I'm not the only one up late either. Great video. It really
does make you think.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: WAAAY OT: Good web movie
This is WAAAY off topic. Not airplane related other than
airplanes take cash.
Anyway, last night I watched a great video that's available
on google videos. It's a 45 minute animated thing on the banking
industry and how the government creates money. Now I know,
that sounds like a real snoozer to some, but it was extremely
enlightening to see, and after hearing some of the background
info it will REALLY make you think.
Anyway, I was pretty impressed. Here's a link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
I did find that if you look hard you can find it in Xvid .AVI,
so then it could be saved and watched while not online.
Sorry if you didn't want to hear all that. This video I
thought was one worth seeing by all. I'm surprised by
what I learned and it has info that kind of puts the markets
in perspective a bit.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto Spark Plug Wires |
That's just the slick harness that's available in colors. You should
be able to get them from almost anywhere that sells the slick mags.
You just need to specify the color. I think Aerosport asked me which
ones I wanted when they ordered.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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zackrv8 wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I have a Lightspeed Ignition on top with the beautiful MSD 8.5 Super
> Conductor Wires that Klauss supplies in the kit. However, I see that
> some of you have the nice Silicone wires (red in color) on the bottom
> magneto. Where can I get the "colored" silicone magento wires for
> the mag?
>
> Zack
>
> -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132595#132595
>
>
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| Subject: | phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? |
Chris,
Spruce sells it as Alumiprep in gallon jugs. You dilute it about 2-1 with
water. I used it as part of the Alodining and priming that I did to all
interior surfaces. I also am Alumipreping and Alodining all external
aluminum as part of the pain process. I apply the Alumiprep with a red
Scotchbrite and scuff it in real good. When the aluminum is almost a white
color it has worked well. Do not let it dry while applying and rinse it real
good. Some auto paint stores carry an equivalent aluminum cleaner (tried
some that did not work as well).
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation?
hey all -
what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do that
before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but i have
no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do this? what
the heck?
cj
phosphoric phool
do not archive
4:32 PM
4:32 PM
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Does Vans, or anyone else offer tinted windshield and windows? Seems
like would be desirable for all VFR flight to cut heat gain.
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| Subject: | Since we have a few OT's....check out this Tri-motor |
This is workmanship to strive for.
http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/N9612home.html
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? |
Good point John,
Should you alodine the aluminum after the etch just prior to installing the windshield?
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2007 7:09:25 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation?
Phosphoric acid etch is the first of two steps in alodine treatment of
aluminum Alclad. The phosphoric acid is the etching process which
allows primer to adhere after alodine treats the surface.
If primer adheres better, then you might conclude that the adhesive
adheres better to retain the referenced part.
Ask Jesse about whether he followed that specific step and the method
used for replacement of the original windscreen after damage from errant
Columbia propellers.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation?
hey all -
what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do
that before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but
i have no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do
this? what the heck?
cj
phosphoric phool
do not archive
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| Subject: | phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? |
hahahaha. don't i feel foolish! i've been Alumipreping and Alodining
the whole way. just didn't know I was "phosphoric acid etching". hehe.
sheesh... it's hot out and my brain must've turned to mush. thanks
all!
cj
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Testement
Sent: Mon 9/3/2007 8:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen
installation?
<jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
Chris,
Spruce sells it as Alumiprep in gallon jugs. You dilute it about 2-1
with
water. I used it as part of the Alodining and priming that I did to all
interior surfaces. I also am Alumipreping and Alodining all external
aluminum as part of the pain process. I apply the Alumiprep with a red
Scotchbrite and scuff it in real good. When the aluminum is almost a
white
color it has worked well. Do not let it dry while applying and rinse it
real
good. Some auto paint stores carry an equivalent aluminum cleaner (tried
some that did not work as well).
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation?
hey all -
what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do
that
before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but i
have
no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do this?
what
the heck?
cj
phosphoric phool
do not archive
4:32 PM
4:32 PM
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| Subject: | Re: The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? |
Lovers of night flight might want to review 91.151 re min fuel. Of
course if the headwinds were not anticipated fuel requirements go out
the window.
On 9/3/07, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Nope, you're not the only one that loves flying at night. ;)
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
With 55 gallons burned, that averaged less than 8 gph
> > and left 5/8's hour of reserve. X35
> > at 1:26am Eastern. I hope I'm not the only one that loves to fly at
> > night. That was FANTASTIC!
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>
>
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