---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/03/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:18 PM - phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (Chris Johnston) 2. 04:50 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (linn Walters) 3. 06:14 PM - The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? (Jesse Saint) 4. 06:53 PM - Re: The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? (Tim Olson) 5. 07:10 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (John W. Cox) 6. 07:17 PM - Magneto Spark Plug Wires (zackrv8) 7. 07:19 PM - Re: WAAAY OT: Good web movie (Jesse Saint) 8. 07:51 PM - Re: Magneto Spark Plug Wires (Tim Olson) 9. 08:02 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (John Testement) 10. 08:24 PM - Tinted windows (Kelly McMullen) 11. 08:42 PM - Since we have a few OT's....check out this Tri-motor (Rick Sked) 12. 08:51 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (Rick Sked) 13. 09:20 PM - Re: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? (Chris Johnston) 14. 09:25 PM - Re: The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:00 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? From: "Chris Johnston" hey all - what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do that before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but i have no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do this? what the heck? cj phosphoric phool do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:59 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? Phosphoric acid is the basic ingredient in aluminum 'brighteners' that will surface etch the aluminum and make it the best it can be for bonding with paint and epoxies etc. I use it to clean prior to alodine or painting. I like to take an old terry cloth towel and soak it with the acid and wipe the aluminum down real good. Flush with copious amounts of water, dry the surface and do the next step fairly quickly .... whatever it is you're doing. Linn do not archive Chris Johnston wrote: >hey all - > >what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do that before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but i have no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do this? what the heck? > >cj >phosphoric phool >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:17 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RV10-List: The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? This hopefully will interest some. N256H just made it's longest non-stop flight on Saturday afternoon/evening. With full standard tanks, 3 people on board and about 120 lbs of baggage (read stuff), we flew from Newton, KS (KEWK) to Dunnellon, FL (X35), with a little "swerving" around thunderstorms right at the end for a total of 1,070 statute miles. According to Weathermeister.com, the GPS/EFIS comparison between TAS and GS, and the winds aloft info from the Flight Cheetah and Garmin 396, we averaged between 5 and 10 knot headwinds over the 7 hour 3 minute flight. With 55 gallons burned, that averaged less than 8 gph and left 5/8's hour of reserve. Not bad for an "experimental" aircraft, huh? Can anybody tell me about another 4-place that can fly over 1,000 miles nonstop averaging almost 20 mpg over the ground, into some modest winds? Oh, that was at 17,500 the whole way with fuel flows between 6.9 and 7.4 gph in cruise. Departed KEWK at 5:23pm Central and landed X35 at 1:26am Eastern. I hope I'm not the only one that loves to fly at night. That was FANTASTIC! Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:54 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? Great report Jesse. I haven't flown that kind of non-stop distance in the -10, but I frequently see a listed range upwards of 1000nm once in LOP cruise at higher altitudes, so I know it's possible. I'd probably be sweating a bit landing with 5 gallons, just in case of having fuel unporting during a slip to crosswind landing, but I've tested the usable fuel and found that when you're out, there's less than 1/2 qt or so that will drain out, so as long as there's no crosswind, and you meet the 1/2 hour reserve, it's do able for sure. Nope, you're not the only one that loves flying at night. ;) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jesse Saint wrote: > This hopefully will interest some. N256H just made its longest > non-stop flight on Saturday afternoon/evening. With full standard > tanks, 3 people on board and about 120 lbs of baggage (read stuff), we > flew from Newton, KS (KEWK) to Dunnellon, FL (X35), with a little > swerving around thunderstorms right at the end for a total of 1,070 > statute miles. According to Weathermeister.com, the GPS/EFIS comparison > between TAS and GS, and the winds aloft info from the Flight Cheetah and > Garmin 396, we averaged between 5 and 10 knot headwinds over the 7 hour > 3 minute flight. With 55 gallons burned, that averaged less than 8 gph > and left 5/8s hour of reserve. Not bad for an experimental aircraft, > huh? Can anybody tell me about another 4-place that can fly over 1,000 > miles nonstop averaging almost 20 mpg over the ground, into some modest > winds? Oh, that was at 17,500 the whole way with fuel flows between 6.9 > and 7.4 gph in cruise. Departed KEWK at 5:23pm Central and landed X35 > at 1:26am Eastern. I hope Im not the only one that loves to fly at > night. That was FANTASTIC! > > > > Do not archive > > > > Jesse Saint > > Saint Aviation, Inc. > > jesse@saintaviation.com > > www.saintaviation.com > > Cell: 352-427-0285 > > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:32 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? From: "John W. Cox" Phosphoric acid etch is the first of two steps in alodine treatment of aluminum Alclad. The phosphoric acid is the etching process which allows primer to adhere after alodine treats the surface. If primer adheres better, then you might conclude that the adhesive adheres better to retain the referenced part. Ask Jesse about whether he followed that specific step and the method used for replacement of the original windscreen after damage from errant Columbia propellers. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? hey all - what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do that before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but i have no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do this? what the heck? cj phosphoric phool do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:24 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Magneto Spark Plug Wires From: "zackrv8" Guys, I have a Lightspeed Ignition on top with the beautiful MSD 8.5 Super Conductor Wires that Klauss supplies in the kit. However, I see that some of you have the nice Silicone wires (red in color) on the bottom magneto. Where can I get the "colored" silicone magento wires for the mag? Zack -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132595#132595 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:51 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: WAAAY OT: Good web movie Apparently I'm not the only one up late either. Great video. It really does make you think. Do not archive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: WAAAY OT: Good web movie This is WAAAY off topic. Not airplane related other than airplanes take cash. Anyway, last night I watched a great video that's available on google videos. It's a 45 minute animated thing on the banking industry and how the government creates money. Now I know, that sounds like a real snoozer to some, but it was extremely enlightening to see, and after hearing some of the background info it will REALLY make you think. Anyway, I was pretty impressed. Here's a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279 I did find that if you look hard you can find it in Xvid .AVI, so then it could be saved and watched while not online. Sorry if you didn't want to hear all that. This video I thought was one worth seeing by all. I'm surprised by what I learned and it has info that kind of puts the markets in perspective a bit. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:17 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Magneto Spark Plug Wires That's just the slick harness that's available in colors. You should be able to get them from almost anywhere that sells the slick mags. You just need to specify the color. I think Aerosport asked me which ones I wanted when they ordered. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive zackrv8 wrote: > > Guys, > > I have a Lightspeed Ignition on top with the beautiful MSD 8.5 Super > Conductor Wires that Klauss supplies in the kit. However, I see that > some of you have the nice Silicone wires (red in color) on the bottom > magneto. Where can I get the "colored" silicone magento wires for > the mag? > > Zack > > -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132595#132595 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:23 PM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? Chris, Spruce sells it as Alumiprep in gallon jugs. You dilute it about 2-1 with water. I used it as part of the Alodining and priming that I did to all interior surfaces. I also am Alumipreping and Alodining all external aluminum as part of the pain process. I apply the Alumiprep with a red Scotchbrite and scuff it in real good. When the aluminum is almost a white color it has worked well. Do not let it dry while applying and rinse it real good. Some auto paint stores carry an equivalent aluminum cleaner (tried some that did not work as well). John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? hey all - what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do that before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but i have no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do this? what the heck? cj phosphoric phool do not archive 4:32 PM 4:32 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:12 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: RV10-List: Tinted windows Does Vans, or anyone else offer tinted windshield and windows? Seems like would be desirable for all VFR flight to cut heat gain. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:17 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: RV10-List: Since we have a few OT's....check out this Tri-motor This is workmanship to strive for. http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/N9612home.html Rick S. 40185 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:12 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? Good point John, Should you alodine the aluminum after the etch just prior to installing the windshield? Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Cox" Sent: Monday, September 3, 2007 7:09:25 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? Phosphoric acid etch is the first of two steps in alodine treatment of aluminum Alclad. The phosphoric acid is the etching process which allows primer to adhere after alodine treats the surface. If primer adheres better, then you might conclude that the adhesive adheres better to retain the referenced part. Ask Jesse about whether he followed that specific step and the method used for replacement of the original windscreen after damage from errant Columbia propellers. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? hey all - what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do that before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but i have no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do this? what the heck? cj phosphoric phool do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? From: "Chris Johnston" hahahaha. don't i feel foolish! i've been Alumipreping and Alodining the whole way. just didn't know I was "phosphoric acid etching". hehe. sheesh... it's hot out and my brain must've turned to mush. thanks all! cj -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Testement Sent: Mon 9/3/2007 8:00 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? Chris, Spruce sells it as Alumiprep in gallon jugs. You dilute it about 2-1 with water. I used it as part of the Alodining and priming that I did to all interior surfaces. I also am Alumipreping and Alodining all external aluminum as part of the pain process. I apply the Alumiprep with a red Scotchbrite and scuff it in real good. When the aluminum is almost a white color it has worked well. Do not let it dry while applying and rinse it real good. Some auto paint stores carry an equivalent aluminum cleaner (tried some that did not work as well). John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: phosphoric acid etch for windscreen installation? hey all - what's the deal with this phosphoric acid etch stuff? it says to do that before you install the windscreen fairing on page 45-18 step 9, but i have no idea what it means. is there a special product you use to do this? what the heck? cj phosphoric phool do not archive 4:32 PM 4:32 PM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:01 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: The most efficient 4-place cross-country machine? Lovers of night flight might want to review 91.151 re min fuel. Of course if the headwinds were not anticipated fuel requirements go out the window. On 9/3/07, Tim Olson wrote: > > Nope, you're not the only one that loves flying at night. ;) > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Jesse Saint wrote: With 55 gallons burned, that averaged less than 8 gph > > and left 5/8's hour of reserve. X35 > > at 1:26am Eastern. I hope I'm not the only one that loves to fly at > > night. That was FANTASTIC! > > * > > > > > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.