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1. 04:28 AM - Re: Tinted windows (linn Walters)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: Tinted windowsTinted windows (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: XC machine (Jesse Saint)
4. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: XC machine (John W. Cox)
5. 09:45 AM - Re: Alodine (Chris Johnston)
6. 10:53 AM - F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap (Jae Chang)
7. 11:21 AM - Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap (Tim Olson)
8. 11:30 AM - Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap (Rick Sked)
9. 11:42 AM - Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap (Rene Felker)
10. 11:43 AM - Re: Cool Jugs (Bill Reining)
11. 11:54 AM - Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap (Mark Ritter)
12. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Cool Jugs (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 12:34 PM - Re: Lancair Panel (Michael Wellenzohn)
14. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Lancair Panel (Ben Westfall)
15. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Lancair Panel (Ben Westfall)
16. 03:25 PM - Cool jugs (Paul Walter)
17. 03:26 PM - Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap (egohr1)
18. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap (Jae Chang)
19. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Lancair Panel (William Curtis)
20. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Lancair Panel (Scott Schmidt)
21. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Lancair Panel (Scott Schmidt)
22. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Lancair Panel (John W. Cox)
23. 07:27 PM - Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap (Richard Sipp)
24. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Lancair Panel (Tim Olson)
25. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Lancair Panel (McGANN, Ron)
26. 08:33 PM - Re: RV10 Door seals (John Testement)
27. 11:51 PM - Re: Lancair Panel (Michael Wellenzohn)
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| Subject: | Re: Tinted windows |
I haven't a clue about it's effectiveness to keep the heat out ......
but my Grumman and the Traumahawk both have tinted windows. I also like
to fly at night and never had a problem with seeing through the tint.
Applying the plastic film tint after construction would be ugly at best
since it doesn't take to compound curves very well. I think the bottom
line is in the occupants comfort zone. The tinted windows are a lot
easier on the eyes and therein lies the biggest benefit, in my book.
Linn
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Robin Marks wrote:
> Some people are talking about tinting only the rear windows? Kinda
> sporty. Thoughts?
>
> Also some tint before installing. I figure if they can tint my car
> after production I would do the same in the -10 (if at all).
>
>
>
> Robin
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:01 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tinted windows
>
>
>
> The greenhouse effect of the RV-10 is amazing. I have used those stick on
>
> shades where ever the sun is coming in and they work pretty good.
>
> http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&did=19&product_id=7937
> <http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&did=19&product_id=7937>
>
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>
> I would rather have the visibility than not. It really makes for fun
> flying.
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2007 9:11:07 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tinted windows
>
>
> Doesn't make much difference after dark. Makes a big difference when
> the afternoon sun is beating down on you in 110 here in Phoenix. Heck,
> I could feel the heat gain in 410RV in Aurora on a cloudy day.
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> On 9/4/07, JSMcGrew@aol.com <JSMcGrew@aol.com> wrote:
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> > I wouldn't expect that anyone would want tinted windows in an
> airplane. It
> > is hard enough to see at night without looking through a tinted
> windscreen!
> > :)
> >
> > -Jim
> > 40134
> >
> > In a message dated 9/3/2007 11:27:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > apilot2@gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Does Vans, or anyone else offer tinted windshield and windows? Seems
> > like would be desirable for all VFR flight to cut heat gain.
> >
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> > AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Tinted windowsTinted windows |
I didn't order tinted window but another builder on my field who built
an RV7A has his tinted and said you can order it that way from Van's.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
Flying but in the paint shop
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I hope there is nobody on the forum "who believe low fuel levels on landing
make sense in the quest for a record". Safe fuel levels on landing when
traveling cross-country are strictly followed here and I hope by the rest of
those flying, not just in RV-10's. The ability to monitor fuel flow (and
total burned) as well as having accurate fuel level senders and a pilot with
almost 500 hours in the RV-10 and two people onboard doing nothing but
monitoring weather and nearby airports within gliding distance makes for a
very safe flight in a very efficient airplane.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: John W. Cox [mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: XC machine
Dave McNeill, I could be resembling the same remark and as you all know, I
am not about to shy away from Safety discussions on an aviation forum.
I love Scott's posts and look forward to many more. Hope RV-10 builders are
more passionate about open discussion than motorcycle dudes.
Just call me cynical that after more than 20 years as a pilot examiner the
FAA still clings to a concept (Not acknowledged here) that Peer Pressure and
Opinion has the most direct effect on changing pilot behavior to the benefit
of future generations. As one who created a series of Safety Seminars to
improve the gene pool, it became clear that the safe pilots often attend and
the unsafe pilot's tend to avoid participation and any effort to reach out
to them. Offering opinions should always be encouraged.
After several years with accident investigations, I clung to (and will
continue to cling to) the perverted but accurate phrase "The tree of life is
self pruning". "Hope springs eternal". I watched on the sideline as
literally scores of Lancair IV builders abandoned years of passion, effort
and thousands of dollars as a few but measurable renegades crashed planes,
maimed and killed themselves and others. They still suffer with the
insurance industries efforts to maintain profitability without risk
adjustments. Only the surviving gene pool pays future insurance rates set
by those who go before them. RV-10 builders deserve to benefit from the
lessons of others.
Wellness is underrated and someday rates will transfer the rightful burden
to the correct insured's who don't follow sound principles. We are soon to
have 100 flying and hopefully insured when the fly.
Now are there only a few of you who believe low fuel levels on landing make
sense in the quest for a record? It appears I have lost another close
aviation friend, Steve Fossett, today in his pursuit of yet another world
record - the land speed record in Scott's backyard.
Can you tell my frustration. Flame away. Not looking
for support. Just more pilots with some common sense on an RV-10 reflector
with over 1,000 readers.
John Cox
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From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:11 PM
Subject: XC machine
Sounds like I am being called a flame thrower. Would you launch VFR (as a
VFR pilot, my guess) into the last 10% of fuel and plan an arrival at 2AM?
Just because he arrived safely does not mean it was a safe operation in my
opinion. Every thing had to be right for it to work?
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The correlation on insurance rate increases were and continue to be a
direct result of exorbitant settlements by the surviving family members
of "harmed" parties brought about by teams of aggressive professionals
in a judicial system gone amuck. Tort reform is sorely needed. Dialog
about attorneys is only fodder for cocktail jokes. The pain is just not
great enough yet to pilots yet. Anyone out their follow the results of
the late Governor Carnahan and what his widow 's professional advisors
did after that pilot error incident? Millions upon millions claimed
against every component used in the aircraft. The report showed pilot
error.
Anyone remember the settlement against Lycoming on the crankshaft
lawsuit in Texas? That was treble damages in the tens of millions. The
price of litigation is understandably spread to those who can pay. The
individuals who buy the product after the tort system equitably
distributes the wealth foot the bill. Now should the professional every
get more than 10% many get 40%.
Every year the age of pilots jumps faster than the calendar pages turn.
Every year the cost of aviation makes it harder to continue. Thank
heavens for kit builders or only a handful could afford the new half
million dollar entry aircraft being charged for liability costs. Even
the new Lancair Evolution is going to cost $1,000,000 for a kit built.
Boy do I think the RV-10 is a great deal.
In the case of kit builders of Lancair IV, not all were pressurized.
Almost every incident which became classified as a fatal accident had
stratospheric claims of aircraft value. Just a month ago here in Oregon
the pilot delivering it for Pre Purchase inspection and selling it for
just under one half million. Way too many of those accidents were the
loss of life of both the pilot and additional members onboard. 4 is a
lot worse than one or two. Just last week another went down in Cameron
Park, CA with six bodies in a four passenger aircraft. You're the one's
that will pay for that excursion. It has been found that lots of money,
chasing professional builders of kit aircraft often mate with low time
pilots for the purchase of complex aircraft. It is not unanticipated
the unintended conclusion which come together with concentric circles
collide on the lap of every pilot. Now it is coming to the attention of
insurance actuaries. In an effort to bring sanity to aviation, many
high ticket aircraft insurers began requiring professional pilot
training specific to Manufacturer, Make and Model. An instrument rating
backed by regular competency became expected. More hours leads them to
believe there is less chance of a repeat of claims. The Lancair guys
regularly review the accident reports for patterns. We should not assume
that RV-10s are exempt from the same considerations.
More and more low time pilots fly highly complex aircraft without
adequate and frequent High Performance Training. Transition Training is
not the same as Factory sponsored High Performance Training. It is time
many builders responded to Deems request to begin a sound curriculum,
solicit the best instruction and lobby responsible insurance companies
to participate and help underwrite a pool of proactive builders. The
last thing we need is fewer underwriters and more professional tort
specialists trying to redirect personal wealth as the other 700 builders
try to join the ranks of the first 100 that are flying.
My crystal ball says - Private Pilot 500 hours+, IFR ticket with 100
hours logged actual and 50 hours per year of currency in Make and Model
with successful completion of High Performance Procedures annually. In
the next five years that could grow to 1000+, IFR with 250 hours and no
less than 10 hours of Dual specific to High Performance in make and
model. Just wait till the tort boys get a hold of the professional
builders for hire when the first one of those makes headlines. Who was
that builders "manufacturer's" name again?
We will be the ones footing whatever the bill comes to. Want to bet the
percentage of builders who will operate "Uncovered"?
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: XC machine
John, Steve Fossett isn't lost yet is he? I have only read that he is
missing. Apparently flying a Decathlon at the time. I sure hope they
find him alive as well.
John, I have an question about insurance though and I'm hoping you can
help me with them. What were main reasons for the increase in insurance
rates over the past 5-7 years?
I understand that pressurized aircraft saw some of the highest
increases. I also understand that many private pilots flying
pressurized planes are required to attend Flight Safety training every
year.
Another gentlemen just sold his Meridian at my airport. He said his
insurance was $12,000 per year plus the cost of Flight Safety training
for about a week. (Don't know what that costs)
Was this caused by an increase in accidents or due to poor piloting? I
ask because I have a very hard time believing that pilots over the past
5-7 years are worse than pilots in the 10 years preceding it.
Also, I recently talked to an RV-6 owner here in Utah who was going to
buy a completed RV-10 but didn't because he was required to have 250
hours total time and 20 hours of transition training, yet
he had no problems getting insurance for an RV-6A with under 100 hours
total time. (This makes zero sense) When I started building in 2003 my
initial quotes at the beginning of 2005 were 150 hours total and 1 hour
of transition
training. By the time I had finished they wanted 200 hours and 10
hours, now it is 250 hours and 20 hours. There have been no accidents
yet they continue to increase requirements and cost. It is data like
this that makes me think that
our rates are not tied to other RV-10 owners but to the 4 place high
performance market. Do you think that is right?
I hope my rates continue to go down as our fleet is shown to be the
safest 4 place. :)
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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Phew! That means I don't have to start my build over? Excellent news
:)
Cj
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Testement
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Alodine
<jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
Akzo is also a great epoxy primer/sealer that does not require a
topcoat.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sipp
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Alodine
There is at least one primer designed to be a final interior protective
coating with no top coat required. PPG Super Koropon. Used on
Gulfstreams
and Boeings at least up until a few years ago for interior structures.
Areas in and around gallies and lavs got a whole nother process.
Dick Sipp
N110DV moving to airport
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Alodine
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Doing something wrong can sometimes be worse than doing nothing.
Doing
> nothing in a harsh maritime or high humidity climate might justify
more
> protection. Some aircraft can sit in storage in the dry heat of
Arizona
> for decades with little corrosion effects.
>
> Primer wars aside, some builders stop at a well prepared "Alodined"
> surface which in fact exceeds the techniques used many Certificated
> manufacturers (like Cessna and Piper). Others apply primer with no
> intent to ever cover it with a final topcoat paint. Primer begs for a
> properly formulated topcoat that is applied reasonable soon after the
> primer. That step adds weight, some additional protection and an
> attraction for the primer (without topcoat) to absorb hydrocarbons,
> human oils, dirt and other organics over decades. The choice of
> protection is that of every kit builder. Some of my closest friends
> throw primer without topcoat at their plane. They are the
> manufacturer... they make the choice.
>
> Corrosion as a result of the faying action (wicking) of alkaline soaps
> (improperly used and not removed) does far worse. Exfoliation and
> filiform are just two corrosions that love such inattention over that
> time period. It is always tragic to remediate corrosion on a
perfectly
> good aircraft. The only consolation for me is that my employer will
> throw unlimited sums of money at correcting neglect down life's
highway.
>
> A seasoned Boeing 747 can gain as much as 5% of its certificated empty
> weight in lost tools, FOD, swarf, old paint, waste hydrocarbons and
> human organics when it is finally laid to rest.
>
> Choice wisely. Have pride in your creation.
>
> John Cox
> 40600
> Do not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
> Williams, M.D.
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:56 AM
> To: RV 10
> Subject: RV10-List: Alodine
>
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> For my current RV, I alumini preped, alodine and then put SW primer
on
> all the interior surfaces. I am happy with what I have chosen to do
> with this plane. Is there anything wrong with just stopping with the
> alodine step? Someday, (ok, maybe after my current wife is no longer
> able to remember how much I spent on the 10) I'd like to build an rv
12
> to have for fun day VFR . I have seen a couple of RV 10 's with no
> interior prep/treatment. Would doing nothing be better than
> something? With nothing, one does have the pure aluminum which
does
> have an oxidized layer. With the alodine, we are adding a chromic
> oxidized layer. Thoughts? anybody have any real data?
>
> Fred Williams
> 40515
>
>
>
9:14 AM
9:14 AM
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| Subject: | F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap |
Guys,
While clecoing my upper fuse skin, i noticed there is a gap at the join
between F-1071 and F-1069 at the firewall. pictures below...
I am curious, if any others have this gap? all my other joins have been
tight, so not sure if this is normal or not for this area.
To seal this area, i figure i should try and glob in some proseal then
let it ooze out the gap, then wipe it flush with the skin? Thus, use
proseal like drywall mud to smooth this area out? Does that sound right?
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4703.html
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4704.html
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4705.html
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4706.html
Jae
40533
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| Subject: | Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap |
I think there is a slight gap on many -10's. I don't know if you'll
need proseal or not to seal it, but you surely could do that with
no problem. One thing about that gap....don't forget to fill it well
before painting. Mine is filled nicely back by the windshield area
where you do all the glass work, but as you go towards the firewall
the gap appears. It just looks funny to have that seam 1/2 filled,
and I'm kicking myself for not filling it the entire way. I did
see a bunch of other -10's with the same cosmetic flaw, so at least
I'm in good company. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jae Chang wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> While clecoing my upper fuse skin, i noticed there is a gap at the join
> between F-1071 and F-1069 at the firewall. pictures below...
>
> I am curious, if any others have this gap? all my other joins have been
> tight, so not sure if this is normal or not for this area.
>
> To seal this area, i figure i should try and glob in some proseal then
> let it ooze out the gap, then wipe it flush with the skin? Thus, use
> proseal like drywall mud to smooth this area out? Does that sound right?
>
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4703.html
>
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4704.html
>
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4705.html
>
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4706.html
>
>
> Jae
> 40533
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap |
Jae,
Looks like you might have been a little over zealous smooting out the side skin.
I doesn't look like you violated any edge distance rules. I actually had to fit
my skins, it was a bit to tight, only a few passes with the file to make it perfect,
hard to stretch it though. Have you already riveted the upper skin to
the ribs? If not you may find that they will close in after that is done.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 10:52:01 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap
Guys,
While clecoing my upper fuse skin, i noticed there is a gap at the join
between F-1071 and F-1069 at the firewall. pictures below...
I am curious, if any others have this gap? all my other joins have been
tight, so not sure if this is normal or not for this area.
To seal this area, i figure i should try and glob in some proseal then
let it ooze out the gap, then wipe it flush with the skin? Thus, use
proseal like drywall mud to smooth this area out? Does that sound right?
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4703.html
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4704.html
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4705.html
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4706.html
Jae
40533
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| Subject: | F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap |
I have a gap also. Small, but a gap.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:52 AM
Subject: RV10-List: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap
Guys,
While clecoing my upper fuse skin, i noticed there is a gap at the join
between F-1071 and F-1069 at the firewall. pictures below...
I am curious, if any others have this gap? all my other joins have been
tight, so not sure if this is normal or not for this area.
To seal this area, i figure i should try and glob in some proseal then
let it ooze out the gap, then wipe it flush with the skin? Thus, use
proseal like drywall mud to smooth this area out? Does that sound right?
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4
703.html
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4
704.html
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4
705.html
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4
706.html
Jae
40533
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How about posting the article, or a link to it, so we can all share?
--------
Bill (and Jon) Reining
40514
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132930#132930
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| Subject: | Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap |
Filling the gap with micro balloons or bondo might be easier to sand and
smooth out.
Mark
RV-10/N410MR
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap
>Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:20:49 -0500
>
>
>I think there is a slight gap on many -10's. I don't know if you'll
>need proseal or not to seal it, but you surely could do that with
>no problem. One thing about that gap....don't forget to fill it well
>before painting. Mine is filled nicely back by the windshield area
>where you do all the glass work, but as you go towards the firewall
>the gap appears. It just looks funny to have that seam 1/2 filled,
>and I'm kicking myself for not filling it the entire way. I did
>see a bunch of other -10's with the same cosmetic flaw, so at least
>I'm in good company. ;)
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>Jae Chang wrote:
>>
>>Guys,
>>
>>While clecoing my upper fuse skin, i noticed there is a gap at the join
>>between F-1071 and F-1069 at the firewall. pictures below...
>>
>>I am curious, if any others have this gap? all my other joins have been
>>tight, so not sure if this is normal or not for this area.
>>
>>To seal this area, i figure i should try and glob in some proseal then let
>>it ooze out the gap, then wipe it flush with the skin? Thus, use proseal
>>like drywall mud to smooth this area out? Does that sound right?
>>
>>http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4703.html
>>
>>http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4704.html
>>
>>http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4705.html
>>
>>http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec31/photos/IMG_4706.html
>>
>>
>>Jae
>>40533
>>
>
>
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I read about these guys years ago but haven't heard anything since then. Neat
idea but adds a fair amount of weight and complexity.
http://www.liquidcooledairpower.com/
Michael
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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cool Jugs
How about posting the article, or a link to it, so we can all share?
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Bill (and Jon) Reining
40514
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
Scott,
where can I order the cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the length required?
I use the center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at least 3 inches
back. I also had to construct new mounts for the throttle quadrant (see attached
CAD pictures).
Michael
www.wellenzohn.net
--------
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
Michael,
John Cox has offered several builders assistance in getting custom cables
made. Check with him.
On another note...
In looking at your panel mockup in one of the pictures it appears we are
planning a very similar panel. Are your paper printout instruments to
scale? How did you do that? If the graphics are already to scale that you
have can you email me the files to print maybe?
-Ben
Portland, OR
#40579
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
Scott,
where can I order the cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the length
required?
I use the center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at least 3
inches back. I also had to construct new mounts for the throttle quadrant
(see attached CAD pictures).
Michael
www.wellenzohn.net
--------
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
Michael,
John Cox has offered several builders assistance in getting custom cables
made. Check with him.
On another note...
In looking at your panel mockup in one of the pictures it appears we are
planning a very similar panel. Are your paper printout instruments to
scale? How did you do that? If the graphics are already to scale that you
have can you email me the files to print maybe?
-Ben
Portland, OR
#40579
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
Scott,
where can I order the cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the length
required?
I use the center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at least 3
inches back. I also had to construct new mounts for the throttle quadrant
(see attached CAD pictures).
Michael
www.wellenzohn.net
--------
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#511
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Here is the article. It was back in 2003 so they may have encounted
problems with thier product. Certaily havent heard or seen of any in
Australia.
Paul Walter
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| Subject: | Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap |
I had the same gap prior to riveting the skin down. I riveted from aft to forward
this last weekend and the gap was closed after riveting. The "spring back"
in the skin makes it hard to get a tight fit with the cleos.
--------
eric gohr
EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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| Subject: | Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap |
Thanks everyone. i may add some proseal just in case the gap does not close.
I asked Vans for their thoughts, too, so will forward those on when i
receive it.
Jae
#40533
do not archive
egohr1 wrote:
>
> I had the same gap prior to riveting the skin down. I riveted from aft to forward
this last weekend and the gap was closed after riveting. The "spring back"
in the skin makes it hard to get a tight fit with the cleos.
>
> --------
> eric gohr
> EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
Michael,
Based on the position of your avionics stack you may want to check the clearance
with the middle bracket. The depth of the Garmin 430 with connector is 11 inches
and if you leave your stack in that position, you would have to cut a LOT
of the middle bracket away. The Garmin 330 is also lengthy at 11.5 inches.
The distance between the instrument panel and the middle panel is 9.5 inches.
For this reason, I left the middle bracket untouched and put my avionics stack
just to the right of it.
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/91Panel/index.html
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/08fuselage/fuselage31s.html
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
>
> Michael,
>
> John Cox has offered several builders assistance in getting custom cables
> made. Check with him.
>
> On another note...
>
> In looking at your panel mockup in one of the pictures it appears we are
> planning a very similar panel. Are your paper printout instruments to
> scale? How did you do that? If the graphics are already to scale that you
> have can you email me the files to print maybe?
>
> -Ben
> Portland, OR
> #40579
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Wellenzohn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:33 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
>
>
> Scott,
>
> where can I order the cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the length
> required?
> I use the center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at least 3
> inches back. I also had to construct new mounts for the throttle quadrant
> (see attached CAD pictures).
>
> Michael
>
> www.wellenzohn.net
>
> --------
> RV-10 builder (wings)
> #511
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132939#132939
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttelquadrant_519.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
Lancair supplied me with a few different panel designs and I then started t
aking pictures off the Internet, imported them into Photoshop and started l
aying different ideas out. =0AI used Photoshop to reduce different picture
s from the Internet. =0AI think my final version with Lancair was v.14 by t
he time I was finished. =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com =0A
=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Ben Westfall <rv10@sinkrate.co
m>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 3:25:
37 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel=0A=0A=0A--> RV10-List mes
sage posted by: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>=0A=0AMichael,=0A=0AJohn
Cox has offered several builders assistance in getting custom cables=0Amade
. Check with him.=0A=0AOn another note...=0A=0AIn looking at your panel mo
ckup in one of the pictures it appears we are=0Aplanning a very similar pan
el. Are your paper printout instruments to=0Ascale? How did you do that?
If the graphics are already to scale that you=0Ahave can you email me the
files to print maybe?=0A=0A-Ben=0APortland, OR=0A#40579=0A=0A-----Original
Message-----=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-r
v10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael=0AWellenzohn=0ASent: We
dnesday, September 05, 2007 12:33 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubjec
ael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>=0A=0AScott,=0A=0Awhere can I order t
he cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the length=0Arequired?=0AI use th
e center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at least 3=0Ainches
back. I also had to construct new mounts for the throttle quadrant=0A(see
attached CAD pictures).=0A=0AMichael=0A=0Awww.wellenzohn.net=0A=0A--------
=0ARV-10 builder (wings)=0A#511=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
What I did was hook up the cables that Van's sent me to the engine side and
then measured the additional length I would need to tie them into the thro
ttle quadrant. =0AI called Van's direct and they took the old cables back,
and ordered new custom cables. They said it could be 4 weeks but showed u
p in about 10 days. =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com =0A=0A
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Ben Westfall <rv10@sinkrate.com>
=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 3:25:37
PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel=0A=0A=0A--> RV10-List messa
ge posted by: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>=0A=0AMichael,=0A=0AJohn Co
x has offered several builders assistance in getting custom cables=0Amade.
Check with him.=0A=0AOn another note...=0A=0AIn looking at your panel mock
up in one of the pictures it appears we are=0Aplanning a very similar panel
. Are your paper printout instruments to=0Ascale? How did you do that? I
f the graphics are already to scale that you=0Ahave can you email me the fi
les to print maybe?=0A=0A-Ben=0APortland, OR=0A#40579=0A=0A-----Original Me
ssage-----=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv1
0-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael=0AWellenzohn=0ASent: Wedn
esday, September 05, 2007 12:33 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject:
l Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>=0A=0AScott,=0A=0Awhere can I order the
cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the length=0Arequired?=0AI use the
center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at least 3=0Ainches b
ack. I also had to construct new mounts for the throttle quadrant=0A(see a
ttached CAD pictures).=0A=0AMichael=0A=0Awww.wellenzohn.net=0A=0A--------
=0ARV-10 builder (wings)=0A#511=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
Scott's approach is not unlike that used by Jim Hergert in his national
award winning N6XE (Sexy). Once your conceptual plan is developed, put
it to construction board or thin gatorboard and begin working the
ergonomics and functional reach issues. A few hours conceptually flying
your conceptual panel will save hundreds in actual installation and
years of flying enjoyment.
I believe Tim could even chime in on how many iterations he used to get
it right. It doesn't hurt opening the discussion to a handful of close
friends to find potential weaknesses in design.
Don't forget serviceability after you put down your manufacturer hat.
John
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
Lancair supplied me with a few different panel designs and I then
started taking pictures off the Internet, imported them into Photoshop
and started laying different ideas out.
I used Photoshop to reduce different pictures from the Internet.
I think my final version with Lancair was v.14 by the time I was
finished.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Westfall <rv10@sinkrate.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 3:25:37 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
Michael,
John Cox has offered several builders assistance in getting custom
cables
made. Check with him.
On another note...
In looking at your panel mockup in one of the pictures it appears we are
planning a very similar panel. Are your paper printout instruments to
scale? How did you do that? If the graphics are already to scale that
you
have can you email me the files to print maybe?
-Ben
Portland, OR
#40579
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
<rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
Scott,
where can I order the cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the length
required?
I use the center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at least
3
inches back. I also had to construct new mounts for the throttle
quadrant
(see attached CAD pictures).
Michael
www.wellenzohn.net <http://www.wellenzohn.net/>
--------
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| Subject: | Re: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap |
Jae:
I would tend to agree with Rick's comment. The skins on earlier models that
were not designed and cut with CAD/CAM were oversize and required "trim to
fit" I noticed (luckily) on the 10 the skins were nearly perfect out of the
box and only required the slightest deburring to remove the shear marks.
Fixing the issue cosmetically during paint should not be too hard.
Dick Sipp
N110DV
at the airport
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: F-1071 to F-1069 skin gap
>
> Guys,
>
> While clecoing my upper fuse skin, i noticed there is a gap at the join
> between F-1071 and F-1069 at the firewall. pictures below...
>
> I am curious, if any others have this gap? all my other joins have been
> tight, so not sure if this is normal or not for this area.
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
I got mine right the first time. I just threw all the photo cutouts
down and cut the holes where they landed. ;) Actually, I think
I went through something like 26 revisions on the PC, bouncing
them off a few experts in the process, just getting the ergonomic
concepts developed. Then, I made the 100% full-scale cutouts
and cut a cardboard panel with all screw holes traced in proper
location, and cut it out to fit in the plane. Then, I worked
to 1/16" resolution moving the cutouts around to verify clearance
from screws, nutplates, ribs, edges, overlapping pieces, and everything
that could get in the way, to ensure that what I was dreaming up
would actually fit, and fit in the closest to perfect location
that I could find. (i.e. trying to do things like keeping the EFIS
screens as high up on the panel as possible, and trying to keep
the radio stack as high up as possible without interfering with
the center rib) Once I had everything on cardboard in position
with proper clearances, I placed the cardboard in position in
the plane with the upper fwd fuselage installed, and installed
cushions on the seats and everything so my seated height
would be about right. The rudder pedals were put in also, to
ensure that I was seated in a close approximation to where I'd
really be while flying. Then, I verified that it all felt right,
and all switches were in locations I was happy with, and that
they wouldn't interfere with movements, that some were immediately
accessible (fuel boost, flaps, ...) with hands on the throttle.
So 26 computer-based revs, and then probably only 1 or 2 major
revs on cardboard, but with oodles of time spent tweaking positions
and some minor layouts. At that point, it was THEN a
"got it right the first time" job when I went to cut metal. At
this point, I couldn't be happier with the layout, and people
who have had the opportunity to sit and fly behind it seem to
like how it came together.
It's definitely the part of the plane you want to spend the most
time thinking about. There's NO other piece of the plane that
you'll spend more time looking at, touching, and utilizing
than the panel.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John W. Cox wrote:
> Scotts approach is not unlike that used by Jim Hergert in his national
> award winning N6XE (Sexy). Once your conceptual plan is developed, put
> it to construction board or thin gatorboard and begin working the
> ergonomics and functional reach issues. A few hours conceptually flying
> your conceptual panel will save hundreds in actual installation and
> years of flying enjoyment.
>
>
>
> I believe Tim could even chime in on how many iterations he used to get
> it right. It doesnt hurt opening the discussion to a handful of close
> friends to find potential weaknesses in design.
>
>
>
> Dont forget serviceability after you put down your manufacturer hat.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Schmidt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:15 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
>
>
>
> Lancair supplied me with a few different panel designs and I then
> started taking pictures off the Internet, imported them into Photoshop
> and started laying different ideas out.
>
> I used Photoshop to reduce different pictures from the Internet.
>
> I think my final version with Lancair was v.14 by the time I was finished.
>
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ben Westfall <rv10@sinkrate.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 3:25:37 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
>
>
> Michael,
>
> John Cox has offered several builders assistance in getting custom cables
> made. Check with him.
>
> On another note...
>
> In looking at your panel mockup in one of the pictures it appears we are
> planning a very similar panel. Are your paper printout instruments to
> scale? How did you do that? If the graphics are already to scale that you
> have can you email me the files to print maybe?
>
> -Ben
> Portland, OR
> #40579
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Wellenzohn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:33 PM
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> Scott,
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> where can I order the cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the length
> required?
> I use the center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at least 3
> inches back. I also had to construct new mounts for the throttle quadrant
> (see attached CAD pictures).
>
> Michael
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> www.wellenzohn.net <http://www.wellenzohn.net/>
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
I used a similar strategy to Tim, but used plexi instead of cardboard.
The instruments were installed in the plexi and I could easily see any
obstructions behind the panel. Once everything fit and felt right -
panel cuttin' time. Result is an ergonomic solution with 3 GRT screens
and backup steam gauges with no mods required to the F-1044 or F-1045
ribs.
Ron
187 finishing (does it ever end?????)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
I got mine right the first time. I just threw all the photo cutouts
down and cut the holes where they landed. ;) Actually, I think
I went through something like 26 revisions on the PC, bouncing them off
a few experts in the process, just getting the ergonomic concepts
developed. Then, I made the 100% full-scale cutouts and cut a cardboard
panel with all screw holes traced in proper location, and cut it out to
fit in the plane. Then, I worked to 1/16" resolution moving the cutouts
around to verify clearance from screws, nutplates, ribs, edges,
overlapping pieces, and everything that could get in the way, to ensure
that what I was dreaming up would actually fit, and fit in the closest
to perfect location that I could find. (i.e. trying to do things like
keeping the EFIS screens as high up on the panel as possible, and trying
to keep the radio stack as high up as possible without interfering with
the center rib) Once I had everything on cardboard in position with
proper clearances, I placed the cardboard in position in the plane with
the upper fwd fuselage installed, and installed cushions on the seats
and everything so my seated height would be about right. The rudder
pedals were put in also, to ensure that I was seated in a close
approximation to where I'd really be while flying. Then, I verified
that it all felt right, and all switches were in locations I was happy
with, and that they wouldn't interfere with movements, that some were
immediately accessible (fuel boost, flaps, ...) with hands on the
throttle.
So 26 computer-based revs, and then probably only 1 or 2 major revs on
cardboard, but with oodles of time spent tweaking positions and some
minor layouts. At that point, it was THEN a "got it right the first
time" job when I went to cut metal. At this point, I couldn't be
happier with the layout, and people who have had the opportunity to sit
and fly behind it seem to like how it came together.
It's definitely the part of the plane you want to spend the most time
thinking about. There's NO other piece of the plane that you'll spend
more time looking at, touching, and utilizing than the panel.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John W. Cox wrote:
> Scott's approach is not unlike that used by Jim Hergert in his
> national award winning N6XE (Sexy). Once your conceptual plan is
> developed, put it to construction board or thin gatorboard and begin
> working the ergonomics and functional reach issues. A few hours
> conceptually flying your conceptual panel will save hundreds in actual
> installation and years of flying enjoyment.
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>
> I believe Tim could even chime in on how many iterations he used to
> get it right. It doesn't hurt opening the discussion to a handful of
> close friends to find potential weaknesses in design.
>
>
>
> Don't forget serviceability after you put down your manufacturer hat.
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> John
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott
> Schmidt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:15 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
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> Lancair supplied me with a few different panel designs and I then
> started taking pictures off the Internet, imported them into Photoshop
> and started laying different ideas out.
>
> I used Photoshop to reduce different pictures from the Internet.
>
> I think my final version with Lancair was v.14 by the time I was
finished.
>
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ben Westfall <rv10@sinkrate.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 3:25:37 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Lancair Panel
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> Michael,
>
> John Cox has offered several builders assistance in getting custom
> cables made. Check with him.
>
> On another note...
>
> In looking at your panel mockup in one of the pictures it appears we
> are planning a very similar panel. Are your paper printout
> instruments to scale? How did you do that? If the graphics are
> already to scale that you have can you email me the files to print
maybe?
>
> -Ben
> Portland, OR
> #40579
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Wellenzohn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:33 PM
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> Scott,
>
> where can I order the cables for throttle, Mixer and Prop to the
> length required?
> I use the center console from Henkjan so this puts the throttle at
> least 3 inches back. I also had to construct new mounts for the
> throttle quadrant (see attached CAD pictures).
>
> Michael
>
> www.wellenzohn.net <http://www.wellenzohn.net/>
>
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> #511
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> <http://forums.matronics.com/files/tunnel_assembly_106.jpg>
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Rob,
Once you put the seal in, how much adjustment did you have to make to the
channels to get the doors to close. I had a perfect door fit and when I put
the seal on (from Brown) the door stood out about 1/4 inch (others told me
I'd have this problem). I want to know if the seal will compress and the
doors fit after some time, or if I should sand out the channels some to get
the doors to sit flush. What have others done?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Doors Video
Kevin, I used Bulb seal, Item BA-1900010 from Brown Aircraft Supply in
Jacksonville, FL. 904-396-6655. The only thing I don't like about it is
that it leaves a black mark that I clean once in a while. However, the
doors operate nicely and they are sealed. You also need Rubber and Gasket
Adhesive by 3M, part 1300L to attach this thing.
You may want to get their one page catalog and make your own determination.
I think that they only sell door seals.
Rob.
10:36 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair Panel |
Thanks for the advice guys,
I actually just pinned some pictures of my desired avionics on the panel to get
a more realistic feel while making plane noises ;-)
I am currently designing my panel also in the 3D CAD system but once I have a virtually
solution I will transfer it into scale pictures and put it into the cockpit.
I had to wait until I can sit in the plane to really feel the distance
and ergonomics.
I bought the VP-200 and in Osh and now have to see where I will put it.
Maintenance accessibility is important, how many times did you guys (flying) had
to open the tunnel so far and what for?
Michael
www.wellenzohn.net
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