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1. 12:22 PM - Second Airplane? (Robin Marks)
2. 12:59 PM - Alodine Question (Bob Leffler)
3. 02:27 PM - Re: Oshkosh followup (gary)
4. 02:28 PM - Re: Oshkosh followup (gary)
5. 02:39 PM - Re: Second Airplane? (Noel Simmons)
6. 03:30 PM - ELTs ()
7. 03:34 PM - ELTs, again ()
8. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Oshkosh followup (MauleDriver)
9. 04:15 PM - Re: Alodine Question (Fred Williams, M.D.)
10. 05:08 PM - Re: Alodine Question (Bob Leffler)
11. 08:16 PM - Re: Alodine Question (DLIUDVINAITIS@aol.com)
12. 08:20 PM - Re: Second Airplane? (David McNeill)
13. 10:42 PM - Re: Second Airplane? (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | Second Airplane? |
Are there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on
building a two place plane while keeping their -10?
I am considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I
believe the -10 is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably
can't justify another Vans model other than I want it. Note acrobatics
is nice but not an requirement for me.
Robin
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| Subject: | Alodine Question |
I've been using Dorado Kote 1 for some time now with good results. All the
parts that I put into the dip tank this afternoon came out looking great.
In the past, I've used a foam brush to coat the solution on the inside of
the skins and other parts too large to fit into the tank. I not had any
problems doing this before. However, today on several of the skins, I had
some blue-green splotches appear instead of the normal bronze color.
Any idea what may have caused this? Should this cause a concern? Should I
attempt to remove this or is it ok to prime with AKZO?
I've also sent an email off to Eldorado already, so hopefully I'll hear back
from them tomorrow.
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| Subject: | RE: Oshkosh followup |
It is my understanding that Bill Watson received an award for his
performance at OSH. Bill, Fill in the group please.
Gary
40274
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| Subject: | RE: Oshkosh followup |
It is my understanding that Bill Watson received an award for his
performance at OSH. Bill, Fill in the group please.
Gary
40274
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| Subject: | Second Airplane? |
Robin,
I get a chance to fly several different RV's thought the year. The RV-10 I
built was great for XC, lousy for "checking the Cows". The RV-7 I just
watched fly over the horizon to its new home was great for Checking cows and
could easily do some shorter XC like 1.5 hours. The -7 was easier and
faster to get out of the shop and in the air than the -10. So what I am
saying is you NEED both! Don't need cows there are plenty other people have
those scattered around. If you are going to go somewhere get in the -10 if
you are just going to be with one other person eating pancakes within 30
minutes of the house get in the -7. Interestingly enough you might think
about having the same panel design for both aircraft. That way you will not
get lost bouncing between the two.
Daily time I have spent in each model and comments
RV-6A = 7hours really ready to get out
RV-7 = 6hours just right, did sleep good that
night
RV-8A = 9hours should have gotten out 4 hours
earlier
RV-9A= 13.7hours should have gotten out 9 hours earlier
RV-10 = 10.5hours was ready for diner and could have
flown a few more hours.
Now when Van's get the motor glider up you will NEED one of those too.
Noel Simmons
A&P CFI
Builder of fine aircraft
www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net/>
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Second Airplane?
Are there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on
building a two place plane while keeping their -10?
I am considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I
believe the -10 is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can't
justify another Vans model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but
not an requirement for me.
Robin
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Linn, make sure you aren't criticizing systems based on acronyms alone.
You seem to have a low opinion of ELTs, but 406 MHz ELTs are a different
animal. That's why they have a completely separate TSO. They are
higher power than 121.5 ELTs, send coded signals, and reduce the
"footprint" that CAP needs to search for you by more than an order of
magnitude. If you have to buy a brand-new ELT for a brand-new airplane,
why wouldn't you go for the superior system?
Linn wrote: "I'm not sure if there were many (if any) 'saves' through an
ELT/satellite link, but the general consensus (from what I'm hearing) is
that an ELT by itself just doesn't save lives."
Here's some data from the NOAA site. For these numbers, they only count
rescues where the SARSAT system was actually involved, not just somebody
yelling over the radio.
August 31, 2007
Number of Persons Rescued (To Date) in the United States: 262
- Rescues at sea: 191 people rescued in 53 incidents
- Aviation rescues: 23 people rescued in 15 incidents
- PLB rescues: 48 people rescued in 22 incidents
=B7 Worldwide ' Over 22,058 People Rescued (since 1982)
=B7 United States ' 5,658 People Rescued (since 1982)
Numbers from 2006
272 people rescued in 105 incidents in the United States
- Rescues at sea: 220 people rescued in 71 incidents
- Aviation rescues: 15 people rescued in 12 incidents
- PLB rescues: 37 people rescued in 22 incidents
Linn wrote: "The EPIRBs that boaters have been using for decades work a
whole lot
better"
You hit the nail on the head there, because the boaters have been using
406 MHz for several years now. Any boating EPIRB built in the last
probably 8 years was 406 MHz.
So yes, please do at least get a handheld EPIRB. But that is going to
be $500 anyway, so why not get a real 406 MHz ELT? I have seen the
Artex unit for less than $900 . . .
Just remember the Learjet that crashed a few years back out of Lebanon,
NH. It went down less than 20 or 30 miles from the airport, but it took
them 2 or 3 years to find it in the woods. Without a 406 MHz ELT after
next year, you end up in pretty much the same boat.
TDT
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That SARSAT web site actually has a lot of good information regarding
the changeover to 406 MHz and the rationale. Note that it was an
international decision, with NOAA as the US representative.
http://www.sarsat.noaa.gov/
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Oshkosh followup |
Since I didn't have an aircraft to judge, apparently my beverage habits
were being tracked. It was noticed that while enjoying various premium
brews, I was never prepared with the tool necessary to open those
perversely sealed bottles.
So, framed in my shop is the award for "RV10 Builder Least Likely to
have a Bottle Opener" along with a silver plated opener.... or perhaps
that was just tinned.
Ms Mauledriver observed that I never seem to bring all the tools needed
for the dance - whether that dance is in the shop, on the road, or at
home. Maybe that's why she wasn't at OSH!
Anyway, Thanks to Gary for noticing my dilemma and providing that much
needed builder assist! And to all the RV10 builders for the beer, ice,
and camraderie. I even got to see a few RV10s!
We'll be back!
Bill "wrestling with the electrical system" Watson
gary wrote:
>
> It is my understanding that Bill Watson received an award for his
> performance at OSH. Bill, Fill in the group please.
>
>
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> Gary
>
> 40274
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine Question |
Bob;
I have used the same solution as you have and have also had occasional
staining of areas. I think it is the chromate. It seems to form more in
the older solutions. I keep the mixed dorado kote in a clean plastic
bucket. As it gets older a green ring will start to form around the top
of the bucket. Concurrently, the solution takes longer to react with the
surface. I can usually rinse most of it off. I have used Sherwin
Williams primer over the top of those stains and have not seen any
flaking or change in the coat.
I would be interested in hearing their reply.
Fred Williams
40515
Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> Ive been using Dorado Kote 1 for some time now with good results. All
> the parts that I put into the dip tank this afternoon came out looking
> great. In the past, Ive used a foam brush to coat the solution on the
> inside of the skins and other parts too large to fit into the tank. I
> not had any problems doing this before. However, today on several of
> the skins, I had some blue-green splotches appear instead of the
> normal bronze color.
>
> Any idea what may have caused this? Should this cause a concern?
> Should I attempt to remove this or is it ok to prime with AKZO?
>
> Ive also sent an email off to Eldorado already, so hopefully Ill
> hear back from them tomorrow.
>
> *
>
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Alodine Question |
I used about 5 gallons in my dip tank, which is the shipping crate that the
spars for the empennage came in. The first time I used it was back in
March, then in May, and finally today. I've added about a gallon of new
each time.
I haven't seen rings in the plastic containers I store the alodine in and I
keep it in a dark corner of the basement. I didn't get any discoloration in
the pieces that were fully dipped, just the larger pieces that were painted
with a foam brush.
I'll pass along Eldorado's comments when/if I get them.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Alodine Question
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Bob;
I have used the same solution as you have and have also had occasional
staining of areas. I think it is the chromate. It seems to form more in
the older solutions. I keep the mixed dorado kote in a clean plastic
bucket. As it gets older a green ring will start to form around the top
of the bucket. Concurrently, the solution takes longer to react with the
surface. I can usually rinse most of it off. I have used Sherwin
Williams primer over the top of those stains and have not seen any
flaking or change in the coat.
I would be interested in hearing their reply.
Fred Williams
40515
Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> I've been using Dorado Kote 1 for some time now with good results. All
> the parts that I put into the dip tank this afternoon came out looking
> great. In the past, I've used a foam brush to coat the solution on the
> inside of the skins and other parts too large to fit into the tank. I
> not had any problems doing this before. However, today on several of
> the skins, I had some blue-green splotches appear instead of the
> normal bronze color.
>
> Any idea what may have caused this? Should this cause a concern?
> Should I attempt to remove this or is it ok to prime with AKZO?
>
> I've also sent an email off to Eldorado already, so hopefully I'll
> hear back from them tomorrow.
>
> *
>
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alodine Question |
BOB
I ALSO SEEN THIS BLUE STAINING WHEN USING ALODINE, IT DID TAKE LONGER TO
REACT TO ALUMINUM. MUST BE CONTAMINATED WITH METAL PREP CLEANING SOLUTION. I
DUMPED OLD SOLUTION WENT WITH NEW, NO PROBLEMS NOW, I AM APPLYING IT FULL
STRENGHT WITH A SPONGE. IT REACTS IN 3 MINS TURNING LIGHT GOLD IN COLOR, NO NEED
TO
BE ANY DARKER JUST GOLD.
DAVE LUDD #40466
FUSELAGE
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| Subject: | Second Airplane? |
I may keep my Glastar.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Second Airplane?
Are there any -10 builders keeping their two place planes or planning on
building a two place plane while keeping their -10?
I am considering a 7A or 8A plus the -10 (first flight Q2/2008) but I
believe the -10 is such a good balance in efficiency that I probably can't
justify another Vans model other than I want it. Note acrobatics is nice but
not an requirement for me.
Robin
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| Subject: | Second Airplane? |
Noel,
Very funny. My thinking was probably a 7A. I believe you
described my situation pretty well except we look for whales more than
cows on the left coast. I also have a regular 55 minute commute that
would work well for either plane. I am dying to order an 8A because I
would probably like the a war bird paint scheme but the side by side is
more practical and I suspect more comfortable, especially when giving
tours.
The matching panels is a good idea in theory but I hope
the 7A will cost just a touch more than my -10 panel. I think the small
plane that I NEED will be an all glass VFR bird vs. a hard IFR traveler.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Simmons
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Second Airplane?
Robin,
I get a chance to fly several different RV's thought the year. The
RV-10 I built was great for XC, lousy for "checking the Cows". The RV-7
I just watched fly over the horizon to its new home was great for
Checking cows and could easily do some shorter XC like 1.5 hours. The
-7 was easier and faster to get out of the shop and in the air than the
-10. So what I am saying is you NEED both! Don't need cows there are
plenty other people have those scattered around. If you are going to go
somewhere get in the -10 if you are just going to be with one other
person eating pancakes within 30 minutes of the house get in the -7.
Interestingly enough you might think about having the same panel design
for both aircraft. That way you will not get lost bouncing between the
two.
Daily time I have spent in each model and comments
RV-6A = 7hours really ready to get out
RV-7 = 6hours just right, did sleep good
that
night
RV-8A = 9hours should have gotten out 4 hours
earlier
RV-9A= 13.7hours should have gotten out 9 hours
earlier
RV-10 = 10.5hours was ready for diner and could
have
flown a few more hours.
Now when Van's get the motor glider up you will NEED one of those too.
Noel Simmons
A&P CFI
Builder of fine aircraft
www.blueskyaviation.net <http://www.blueskyaviation.net/>
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