---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/11/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: Fuel senders (Larry Rosen) 2. 06:10 AM - WSI AV-300 delivered (Tim Olson) 3. 07:00 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Torque (Tim Olson) 4. 07:17 AM - Re: WSI AV-300 delivered (Tim Olson) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: Fuel senders (John W. Cox) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: Fuel senders (Tim Olson) 7. 09:58 AM - Re: Fuel senders (John W. Cox) 8. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? (Ben Westfall) 9. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? (Robin Marks) 10. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? (PJ Seipel) 11. 06:20 PM - Re: WSI AV-300 delivered (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:58 AM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel senders John, Look through the archives. You will find that you will get both answers, use the gasket and don't use the gasket. I don't remember the suggestion to replacing the rubber gasket with cork gasket. In my mind, there is no convincing argument one way or the other. My summary of what has been writen: Use the gasket, it will ease removal of the sender in the future. No gasket, the proseal will form the gasket, don't have to worry about rubber or cork failure. Larry evmeg@snowcrest.net wrote: > > > Throw out the gasket and just use sealant.....and a dab of it under each > screw head as well. As you tighten, it will squidge out and make a perfect > gasket. > Cheers.... > Evan > > > >> >> What have others done when putting in there fuel senders. Are people using >> the rubber supplied gasket in addition to the proseal or just using the >> proseal? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John G. #409, building again >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:41 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: WSI AV-300 delivered Yesterday I picked up my AV-300 WSI receiver from SteinAir, my dealer. I haven't powered it yet, but hope to within the next day or two. It's a nice looking box, complete with the ability to separately talk to 2 full EFIS's and one "Listen Only" box, and also via ethernet it can talk to tablet PC's and other PC based systems without using serial. It looks like perhaps all receivers are actually audio-integrated, but you need a bit of external hardware for the sirius radio options. Right now I'm just trying to get clarification on the antenna mounting because with the previous system, it was stated at least by Comant that a ground plane wasn't needed, but the install manual for the AV-300 antenna seems to indicate that best performance is with a 12" or larger ground plane. I've not had to install a ground plane on fiberglass canopies before, and so I'll either be adding one to my canopy top and see if the ground plane still works when it's 1" below the antenna base, or I'll be getting some additional cable and mounting my antenna back on the forward tailcone top. I've asked WSI for comments and will pass them on. Just thought y'all would like to know they've actually delivered one. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:39 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nose Wheel Torque Jeff, You know, after seeing what it did to the forks and now seeing people with the new aluminum spacers have them deform to fit the taper of the harder steel bearings, I'm convinced more than ever that simple things like the torque value are not a good permanent fix. That torque value will change drastically over the first hours of operation, and it will continue to change for a long time. It will keep loosening as the bearing seats better and wears and the aluminum or stainless (if you're still nuts enough to use the stock original spacer as-is) spacer develops it's taper to match the bearing. Over time, you will find it will, without a doubt, loosen up, and will likely at some point start spinning. Many people are now finding some great ways to keep the spacer from turning. Van's latest SB seems be just a torque spec designed to keep the bearing from spinning on the shaft instead of spinning on the wheel. So yeah, I'd torque it to their specs, but, don't think that this will let you out of the issues with the fork wear...that's still a critical problem that should be dealt with somehow by keeping that spacer from rotating. In the end, through some creative methods, people can have this be a very minor issue. This is my favorite fix so far: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=17878 It's definitely something worth doing before you fly, and it will be more fun to do when the fork and wheel are still clean. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Jeff Carpenter wrote: > > Vans has a Nose Wheel Torque posting up on the website... put up on > 9/6. It seems to me that it addresses a problem Tim Olson brought up a > while back relative to wear on the forks. Have I got this right? What > say you Tim? > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > N410CF (reserved) > Firewall backward > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:42 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: WSI AV-300 delivered Some of this is edited for brevity, but it's what I asked WSI.... ------------------ Regarding the antenna mounting... On the GPS antennas and the old WSI antennas, everyone always said that you don't really need a ground PLANE, but you needed to provide a good ground to the case of the antenna for return power. The new manual says that a ground plane of 12" in diameter is best for reception. Do you know if this for sure is something required? My current installation is on the top of the fiberglass canopy, and I have power ground to the screws, but I don't have any ground plane. Since I'll be completely mounting the antenna all new this time, I have choices to make. First and easiest to route wires is to mount the antenna on the cabin top, the same way I currently have, and it will be horizontal with a full view of the sky in all directions. The alternative is to mount the receiver and the antenna on the top of the tail behind the baggage area, very similar to your Cessna 182 install example, which would be mounted on a backslope of the roof, so it wouldn't have as nice of a forward view....and it would be mounted within 8" of a GPS antenna. If you can find out what's *really* important to getting the best signal, I'd appreciate it. If it's the ground plane, then perhaps the best is on the tail if the other GPS antenna won't interfere. If it's the view of the sky, then on the cabin top would be OK, but the cabin top is 1" thick and the ground plane if any would have to be something like self-stick aluminum on the interior of the cabin. ------------------- Their Replies: There is a section in the antenna install manual regarding installation on composite aircraft. Basically, it says to use an metallic doubler per FAA AC 43.13.2A, Chapter 3, Section 38b(2). As for mounting location, top of the wing is preferred to back of the canopy so as to get the more horizontal mounting. -- and -- A ground plane for this antenna isn't really required - the doubler is more for structural purposes. The FAA AC really does address this well and should be the reference here. Agree on placement. ----------------------------------------------------- I think they mistook "top of the wing" being the canopy top of a Cessna High Wing, but that's OK, the point is, you want a nice high mounting spot that's as horizontal as possible as the preferred location. This concurs with what the manufacturers say about certified WAAS GPS installs also. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Tim Olson wrote: > > Yesterday I picked up my AV-300 WSI receiver from SteinAir, my dealer. I > haven't powered it yet, but hope to within the next day or two. It's a > nice looking box, complete with the ability to separately talk to 2 full > EFIS's and one "Listen Only" box, and also via ethernet it can talk to > tablet PC's and other PC based systems without using serial. It looks > like perhaps all receivers are actually audio-integrated, but you need a > bit of external hardware for the sirius radio options. > > Right now I'm just trying to get clarification on the antenna mounting > because with the previous system, it was stated at least by Comant that > a ground plane wasn't needed, but the install manual for the AV-300 > antenna seems to indicate that best performance is with a 12" or larger > ground plane. I've not had to install a ground plane on fiberglass > canopies before, and so I'll either be adding one to my canopy top and > see if the ground plane still works when it's 1" below the antenna base, > or I'll be getting some additional cable and mounting my antenna back on > the forward tailcone top. I've asked WSI for comments and will pass them > on. > > Just thought y'all would like to know they've actually delivered one. > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel senders From: "John W. Cox" Just to add more fuel to the consideration. Why not use the cork gasket and coat it with tank sealant as well including a fillet between the unit and the upper surface of the wing? John Cox #600 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:37 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel senders John, Look through the archives. You will find that you will get both answers, use the gasket and don't use the gasket. I don't remember the suggestion to replacing the rubber gasket with cork gasket. In my mind, there is no convincing argument one way or the other. My summary of what has been writen: Use the gasket, it will ease removal of the sender in the future. No gasket, the proseal will form the gasket, don't have to worry about rubber or cork failure. Larry evmeg@snowcrest.net wrote: > > > Throw out the gasket and just use sealant.....and a dab of it under each > screw head as well. As you tighten, it will squidge out and make a perfect > gasket. > Cheers.... > Evan > > > >> >> What have others done when putting in there fuel senders. Are people using >> the rubber supplied gasket in addition to the proseal or just using the >> proseal? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John G. #409, building again >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. > http://www.snowcrest.net > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:46 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel senders I think this is what I did with the black colored gaskets that came with mine....covered both sides in proseal and stuck it on. I figured if I had to pull the sender, this would let me pop it off easier by cutting the seal, and then I'd have the sender off to give access to scrape the old sealant from the tank. Not sure if it's perfect, but it's leak free so far. Incidentally, this is what I do when opening up my vehicle's differentials, transmissions, and things like that too...I coat the gasket with RTV and install. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive John W. Cox wrote: > > Just to add more fuel to the consideration. Why not use the cork gasket > and coat it with tank sealant as well including a fillet between the > unit and the upper surface of the wing? > > John Cox #600 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:37 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel senders > > > John, > Look through the archives. You will find that you will get both > answers, use the gasket and don't use the gasket. I don't remember the > suggestion to replacing the rubber gasket with cork gasket. In my mind, > > there is no convincing argument one way or the other. > > My summary of what has been writen: > > Use the gasket, it will ease removal of the sender in the future. > No gasket, the proseal will form the gasket, don't have to worry about > rubber or cork failure. > > Larry > > evmeg@snowcrest.net wrote: >> >> >> Throw out the gasket and just use sealant.....and a dab of it under > each >> screw head as well. As you tighten, it will squidge out and make a > perfect >> gasket. >> Cheers.... >> Evan >> >> >> > >>> What have others done when putting in there fuel senders. Are people > using >>> the rubber supplied gasket in addition to the proseal or just using > the >>> proseal? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John G. #409, building again >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >> http://www.snowcrest.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:51 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel senders From: "John W. Cox" A final presentation in my proseal classes is the use of fiberglass reinforced plastic scrapers (they come in various shapes, sizes, colors and ends) which are always used to remove the old sealant for service and final reapplication before return to operations. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel senders I think this is what I did with the black colored gaskets that came with mine....covered both sides in proseal and stuck it on. I figured if I had to pull the sender, this would let me pop it off easier by cutting the seal, and then I'd have the sender off to give access to scrape the old sealant from the tank. Not sure if it's perfect, but it's leak free so far. Incidentally, this is what I do when opening up my vehicle's differentials, transmissions, and things like that too...I coat the gasket with RTV and install. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive John W. Cox wrote: > > Just to add more fuel to the consideration. Why not use the cork gasket > and coat it with tank sealant as well including a fillet between the > unit and the upper surface of the wing? > > John Cox #600 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:37 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel senders > > > John, > Look through the archives. You will find that you will get both > answers, use the gasket and don't use the gasket. I don't remember the > suggestion to replacing the rubber gasket with cork gasket. In my mind, > > there is no convincing argument one way or the other. > > My summary of what has been writen: > > Use the gasket, it will ease removal of the sender in the future. > No gasket, the proseal will form the gasket, don't have to worry about > rubber or cork failure. > > Larry > > evmeg@snowcrest.net wrote: >> >> >> Throw out the gasket and just use sealant.....and a dab of it under > each >> screw head as well. As you tighten, it will squidge out and make a > perfect >> gasket. >> Cheers.... >> Evan >> >> >> > >>> What have others done when putting in there fuel senders. Are people > using >>> the rubber supplied gasket in addition to the proseal or just using > the >>> proseal? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John G. #409, building again >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >> http://www.snowcrest.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:56 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? Somebody had previously mentioned that the email address that the website used within paypal was wrong. I don=92t recall who that is but it would be helpful if they could respond with what the correct email address was for them (in paypal). My purchase sent money to dczach86@hotmail.com. I have sent emails to rvsilverbullet@comcast.net as well as the hotmail address w/o response. I haven=92t actually called the phone number yet=85 -Ben #40579 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? I also have a set of door latches on order since before Oshkosh. My credit card was charged so I think they got the order. On the bright side they still have an answering machine and the phone has not been disconnected. My guess is they have been flood with orders since Oshkosh and are trying to get unburied. Vern Smith do not archive > From: VHMUM@bigpond.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? > Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:05:33 +1000 > > > Does anyone have a direct contact with this mob that could have a chat to > see what is going on as it has been 2 months I am happy to send the reciept > from Paypal. > They dont answer there phone or emails. > > If not I will take it the money is lost and I will just put up with Vans > Parts > >============ > > > _____ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf=E9. Play now! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? From: "Robin Marks" Ben, The specifics are coming back to me now. After I requested my payment credit from PP and received it immediately (surprise) Rivethead contacted me and said the PP account was not associated with the email address rvsilverbullet@comcast.net and the best way to order and pay for the parts is to click the RV-10 button on their home page and use the order form associated with their shopping cart. Doing this now and checking out via PP takes one to an order form but I don't see an email address on the check out form. Figures. I did however look up my personal PP history and found my payment (July 25, 2007) with a business contact of the seller listed as: Business Contact Information Customer Service URL: http://www.rivethead-aero.com Customer Service Email: dczach86@hotmail.com Customer Service Phone: 302-437-6087 I assume that has to be the email address associated with the account? Because I paid for my products using PP but charging my CC (vs. deducting my bank account) the PP history states that I will see the following information on CC statement: This credit card transaction will appear on your bill as "PAYPAL *FULLTHROTTL". I doubt any of this will help and I am surprised that no one has been able to make contact as long as this thread has been running. I wish you all luck. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? Somebody had previously mentioned that the email address that the website used within paypal was wrong. I don't recall who that is but it would be helpful if they could respond with what the correct email address was for them (in paypal). My purchase sent money to dczach86@hotmail.com. I have sent emails to rvsilverbullet@comcast.net as well as the hotmail address w/o response. I haven't actually called the phone number yet... -Ben #40579 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? I also have a set of door latches on order since before Oshkosh. My credit card was charged so I think they got the order. On the bright side they still have an answering machine and the phone has not been disconnected. My guess is they have been flood with orders since Oshkosh and are trying to get unburied. Vern Smith do not archive > From: VHMUM@bigpond.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? > Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:05:33 +1000 > > > Does anyone have a direct contact with this mob that could have a chat to > see what is going on as it has been 2 months I am happy to send the reciept > from Paypal. > They dont answer there phone or emails. > > If not I will take it the money is lost and I will just put up with Vans > Parts > >============ > > > ________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf=E9. Play now! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:16 PM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? I did, several months ago, receive a response when I emailed him at dczachorowski@comcast.net You may have luck getting a hold of him there, although a response did take several days. I did order the RV-10 parts off the website and received them about 4 weeks after I paid. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 Robin Marks wrote: > > Ben, > > The specifics are coming back to me now. After I requested my payment > credit from PP and received it immediately (surprise) Rivethead > contacted me and said the PP account was not associated with the email > address rvsilverbullet@comcast.net > and the best way to order and pay for the parts is to click the RV-10 > button on their home page and use the order form associated with their > shopping cart. Doing this now and checking out via PP takes one to an > order form but I dont see an email address on the check out form. > Figures. > > I did however look up my personal PP history and found my payment > (July 25, 2007) with a business contact of the seller listed as: > > *Business Contact Information > * > > *Customer Service URL:* > > > > https://www.paypalobjects.com/WEBSCR-480-20070907-1/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif > > > > http://www.rivethead-aero.com > > *Customer Service Email:* > > > > https://www.paypalobjects.com/WEBSCR-480-20070907-1/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif > > > > dczach86@hotmail.com > > *Customer Service Phone:* > > > > https://www.paypalobjects.com/WEBSCR-480-20070907-1/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif > > > > 302-437-6087 > > I assume that has to be the email address associated with the account? > > Because I paid for my products using PP but charging my CC (vs. > deducting my bank account) the PP history states that I will see the > following information on CC statement: > > This credit card transaction will appear on your bill as "PAYPAL > *FULLTHROTTL". > > I doubt any of this will help and I am surprised that no one has been > able to make contact as long as this thread has been running. I wish > you all luck. > > Robin > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Westfall > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:42 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? > > Somebody had previously mentioned that the email address that the > website used within paypal was wrong. I dont recall who that is but > it would be helpful if they could respond with what the correct email > address was for them (in paypal). My purchase sent money to > dczach86@hotmail.com . I have sent emails > to rvsilverbullet@comcast.net as > well as the hotmail address w/o response. I havent actually called > the phone number yet > > -Ben > > #40579 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Vernon Smith > *Sent:* Monday, September 10, 2007 12:45 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? > > I also have a set of door latches on order since before Oshkosh. My > credit card was charged so I think they got the order. On the bright > side they still have an answering machine and the phone has not been > disconnected. My guess is they have been flood with orders since > Oshkosh and are trying to get unburied. > > Vern Smith > > do not archive > > > From: VHMUM@bigpond.com > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? > > Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:05:33 +1000 > > > > > > > Does anyone have a direct contact with this mob that could have a > chat to > > see what is going on as it has been 2 months I am happy to send the > reciept > > from Paypal. > > They dont answer there phone or emails. > > > > If not I will take it the money is lost and I will just put up with Vans > > Parts > > > >============ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the > Messenger Caf. Play now! > > > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > ** > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > * * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:49 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: WSI AV-300 delivered Justine from WSI today again requested I tell people who have an old WSI receiver that is not yet activated so they are in the upgrade program to contact her right away. They want to get everyone upgraded before the upcoming deadline, and she wants to get an idea of how many people that is. Here's her info if you're one of them: Justine Felahi WSI InFlight Channel Development Manager WSI Corporation 400 Minuteman Road Andover, MA 01810 jfelahi@wsi.com Voice: 978-983-6633 Cell: 603-801-9064 Fax: 866-806-6245 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Tim Olson wrote: > > Some of this is edited for brevity, but it's what I asked WSI.... > > > ------------------ > Regarding the antenna mounting... On the GPS antennas and > the old WSI antennas, everyone always said that you don't really need a > ground PLANE, but you needed to provide a good ground to the case of the > antenna for return power. The new manual says that a ground plane of > 12" in diameter is best for reception. > Do you know if this for sure is something required? My current > installation is on the top of the fiberglass canopy, and I have power > ground to the screws, but I don't have any ground plane. > Since I'll be completely mounting the antenna all new this time, I have > choices to make. First and easiest to route wires is to mount the > antenna on the cabin top, the same way I currently have, and it will be > horizontal with a full view of the sky in all directions. The > alternative is to mount the receiver and the antenna on the top of the > tail behind the baggage area, very similar to your Cessna 182 install > example, which would be mounted on a backslope of the roof, so it > wouldn't have as nice of a forward view....and it would be mounted > within 8" of a GPS antenna. If you can find out what's *really* > important to getting the best signal, I'd appreciate it. If it's the > ground plane, then perhaps the best is on the tail if the other GPS > antenna won't interfere. If it's the view of the sky, then on the cabin > top would be OK, but the cabin top is 1" thick and the ground plane if > any would have to be something like self-stick aluminum on the interior > of the cabin. > ------------------- > Their Replies: > > There is a section in the antenna install manual regarding installation > on composite aircraft. Basically, it says to use an metallic doubler per > FAA AC 43.13.2A, Chapter 3, Section 38b(2). > > As for mounting location, top of the wing is preferred to back of the > canopy so as to get the more horizontal mounting. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.