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1. 08:38 AM - Re: Free RV-10 W&B being offered (John W. Cox)
2. 11:15 AM - Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire termination (John W. Cox)
3. 12:43 PM - Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers (mark verrill)
4. 01:17 PM - Re: Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers (pascal)
5. 01:17 PM - Re: Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers (Carl Froehlich)
6. 02:31 PM - Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire termination (Rick Sked)
7. 02:59 PM - Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire termination (John W. Cox)
8. 03:22 PM - Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire termination (Ben Westfall)
9. 05:32 PM - Re: WSI AV-300 delivered (gary)
10. 05:50 PM - Vinyl? (ivo welch)
11. 06:51 PM - Re: Vinyl? (John W. Cox)
12. 06:58 PM - Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire termination (Deems Davis)
13. 07:09 PM - Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire (zackrv8)
14. 07:11 PM - Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire termination (Tim Olson)
15. 07:13 PM - Re: Vinyl? (Tim Olson)
16. 07:21 PM - Re: Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers (Tim Olson)
17. 07:44 PM - Questions (Rick Leach)
18. 07:54 PM - Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire termination (Larry Rosen)
19. 07:58 PM - Re: Vinyl? (Deems Davis)
20. 08:12 PM - Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire termination (Deems Davis)
21. 08:25 PM - Re: Questions (Larry Rosen)
22. 09:05 PM - All Painted (DejaVu)
23. 09:57 PM - RV-10 Incident (Dave Leikam)
24. 10:18 PM - Re: All Painted (Dave Leikam)
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| Subject: | Free RV-10 W&B being offered |
Randy Hartman bills himself as only one of six Build Assist facilities
in the US. Wonder if he counts Jesse? We have six just in Oregon and
will wait for the FAA to redefine the 51% rule before doing a new head
count on this growing trend.
Liability is going to be the bane of this unique and controversial
concept. If only the FAA did not give Repairmen certificates for
writing checks to such firms.
Its back to bucking my own rivets.. Thank you.
John C in Orygun
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Meeker
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Free RV-10 W&B being offered
Hey, Alpha Omega Aircrafters is offering a free weight and balance to
RV-10 owners on September 29 if you call in in time. They are having a
little fly in there (KCID) with reps from Lycoming, MT Props, Tru-trak,
B&C, Airflow Systems, maybe others. Looks like they are also offering
free food. Could be a fun event for RV-10 owners or builders. The
number to call for more information is 319-362-9055. The guy's name is
Tom. The AOA web site is www.aoaircrafters.com. I attached the flyer
to the event also. Check it out.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134435#134435
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv10_flyer_200.pdf
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| Subject: | Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire |
termination
Much of the consternation in finalizing RV-10 kit completion is the
delay in choice of avionics, the choice of antenna, selecting antenna
placement, and then final ground strapping/ground plane/ ground wire
lug. No one is saying that the purchase of avionics needs to be done
any too early. That is a lot of money $$$, but the choice should drive
the choice of antenna. The choice of antenna should drive the location
and then the method of attachment. The distance from the mount to the
avionics is also important and the best performing wire (both coax and
AWG22 power and ground) chosen. Few are even talking about horizontal
and vertical polarity. Or =BD wave, 5/8 wave and associated wind load.
I know Sausen said it didn't amount to much but then we just replaced
all the antennae that got snapped off recently.
Seems some of the flying veterans should weigh in on how early during
the kit completion the antenna mount technique could be (should be)
resolved. I am seeing a lot of builds which delays this important choice
late into the canopy installation. I remember just one builder presented
a spreadsheet/ checkmark matrix as to what, where and why -fairly early
on, in his build. Composite canopies can play havoc with those choices.
It is humorous that so many VANs builders thing of these as aluminum
airplanes. Seems when it comes to antennae, they are more composite in
their mount location than most certificated metal aircraft. Make it
carbon fiber and its even worse.
Has anyone tried duplicating Archers with copper rather than aluminum
(inside the composite wingtip)?
Any takers? Tim's WSI post got me reflecting... which you all know may
not be a good thing. Plus with 1,000 subscribers there are sure a lot
of lurkers and I don't want to lose Michael Sausen's posts again.
Thanks Tim! Maybe some of you can rate your antenna performance and
make stronger recommendations to the next 700 builders.
John Cox
#600
W7COX - (Amateur Radio) for those not informed
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| Subject: | Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers |
Hi folks, just looking for verification from someone who has been past this part
before. Pg. 16-2 calls for several# 19 holes to be drilled, then countersunk.
This is a first for me to countersink a hole this large in other than solid
aluminum, like .060 plus. In this case, the top layer is the .025 top layer
of skin, the walk doublers at .020 and the rib at ~ .025. This seems to leave
some terrbly thin edges around this countersink. Based upon the other steps,
it appears this wiill have another layer of dimpled material then a screw...which
may make this less daunting, but without the manual section on fairning
for the wing roots, I really don't know exactly what will attach here and how.
I set up an example with some scraps of the same thickness and it appears that
with another dimpled layer inside this countersink that this will be solid
dispite the thin bevel. Someone reassure me please that I am reading this correctly
(specifically step 3 on pg. 16-2)
Thanks,
Mark Verrill ~ SB wings
mark verrill
mverrill@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | Re: Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers |
no idea about the answer but I'll throw a Wing Gotcha from Tim's site
out there for you since your on this page.
This clip comes from:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20040906/index.html
On page 16-2, the aft wing-walk doubler has a nutplate holes to drill.
Read ahead for the nutplate riveting and you will see that the forward
most hole in the aft wing-walk doubler is correct per plans. I
accidently drilled mine for a standard center-threaded nutplate, whereas
this gets the nutplate with the threads on the end, with 2 rivets side
by side.
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: mark verrill
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers
Hi folks, just looking for verification from someone who has been past
this part before. Pg. 16-2 calls for several# 19 holes to be drilled,
then countersunk. This is a first for me to countersink a hole this
large in other than solid aluminum, like .060 plus. In this case, the
top layer is the .025 top layer of skin, the walk doublers at .020 and
the rib at ~ .025. This seems to leave some terrbly thin edges around
this countersink. Based upon the other steps, it appears this wiill
have another layer of dimpled material then a screw...which may make
this less daunting, but without the manual section on fairning for the
wing roots, I really don't know exactly what will attach here and how.
I set up an example with some scraps of the same thickness and it
appears that with another dimpled layer inside this countersink that
this will be solid dispite the thin bevel. Someone reassure me please
that I am reading this correctly (specifically step 3 on pg. 16-2)
Thanks,
Mark Verrill ~ SB wings
mark verrill
mverrill@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers |
You are reading it correctly. On the top skin only all but one of the
inboard holes for #8 screws are countersunk, not dimpled. The aft most #8
screw hole is dimpled as it is beyond the area where here is a wing walk
doubler. The countersunk hole is bigger (wider) than it would be in a
thicker material but you will have the wing fairing in this hole under the
screw head. Note that only the hole for the #8 screw is countersunk. The
nut plate rivet holes on the skin are dimpled and all 3/32 holes are
countersunk on the doubler. For this area the ribs are not dimpled.
I just finished doing this on my left wing. Looking back however I might
just dimple the doubler and all #8 screw holes on the right wing. This was
the process when I built my 8A.
Carl Froehlich
Dogwood Airpark (VA-42)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark verrill
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers
Hi folks, just looking for verification from someone who has been past this
part before. Pg. 16-2 calls for several# 19 holes to be drilled, then
countersunk. This is a first for me to countersink a hole this large in
other than solid aluminum, like .060 plus. In this case, the top layer is
the .025 top layer of skin, the walk doublers at .020 and the rib at ~ .025.
This seems to leave some terrbly thin edges around this countersink. Based
upon the other steps, it appears this wiill have another layer of dimpled
material then a screw...which may make this less daunting, but without the
manual section on fairning for the wing roots, I really don't know exactly
what will attach here and how. I set up an example with some scraps of the
same thickness and it appears that with another dimpled layer inside this
countersink that this will be solid dispite the thin bevel. Someone
reassure me please that I am reading this correctly (specifically step 3 on
pg. 16-2)
Thanks,
Mark Verrill ~ SB wings
mark verrill
mverrill@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground |
wire termination
I just stuck em where they look cool....lol, I pretty much followed the pla
cement by several builders, the location of my remote transponder led to th
at antenna located aft of the baggage compartment on the bottom right near
the elevator bellcrank. Com 1 is on the right bottom, near the rear seats.
GPS and GDL-69A antennas aft of the cabin top on the upper rear skin. Com 2
is an Archer in the right tip along with the MKR BCN made from stripped RG
-400 wire, Nav is an Archer in the left tip. I powered the panel the other
night the both=C2-COM's recieved very well but I'm inside the KVGT's clas
s D space at my house, didn't try to transmit. I was too busy looking for s
moke and playing with all the whistles and bells. I used a heat gun to warm
the cylinders, EGT and CHT started to show a rise from the 92 degress in t
he garage to about 110 before I stopped warming the cylinders, MAP was hold
ing=C2-a steady reading so far it looks OK.=C2-Thankfully all seemed to
be working as advertised. I could not tell you about the NAV antenna cause
the wings are in the hangar and I could not plug them in to see how it was
working.....I have only done continuity, short to ground and=C2-checked
the trim and lights=C2-on the wings, no real ops testing there yet....giv
e me about three months :)=C2-=C2-
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:13:58 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angel
es
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground w
ire termination
Much of the consternation in finalizing RV-10 kit completion is the delay i
n choice of avionics, the choice of antenna, selecting antenna placement, a
nd then final ground strapping/ ground plane/ ground wire lug.=C2- No one
is saying that the purchase of avionics needs to be done any too early.=C2
- That is a lot of money $$$ , but the choice should drive the choice of
antenna.=C2- The choice of antenna should drive the location and then the
method of attachment. =C2- The distance from the mount to the avionics i
s also important and the best performing wire (both coax and AWG22 power an
d ground) chosen . =C2- Few are even talking about horizontal and vertica
l polarity. =C2- Or =C2=BD wave, 5/8 wave and associated wind load.=C2-
I know Sausen said it didn =99 t amount to much but then we just rep
laced all the antenna e that got snapped off recently.
Seems some of the flying veterans should weigh in on how early during the k
it completion the antenna mount technique could be (should be) resolved. I
am seeing a lot of builds which delays this important choice late into the
canopy installation . I remember just one builder presented a spreadsheet/
checkmark matrix as to what, where and why - fairly early on , in his build
.=C2- Composite canopies can play havoc with those choices. =C2- It is
humorous that so many VANs builders thing of these as aluminum airplanes.
=C2- Seems when it comes to antenna e , they are more composite in their
mount location than most certificated metal aircraft . Make it carbon fiber
and its even worse.
Has anyone tried duplicating Archers with copper rather than aluminum (insi
de the composite wingtip) ?
Any takers? =C2- Tim =99 s WSI post got me reflecting whi
ch you all know may not be a good thing. =C2- Plus with 1,000 subscribers
there are sure a lot of lurkers and I don =99 t want to lose Michael
Sausen =99 s posts again.=C2- Thanks Tim! =C2- Maybe some of you
can rate your antenna performance and make stronger recommendations to the
next 700 builders.
John Cox
#600
W7COX =93 ( Amateur Radio ) for those not informed
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| Subject: | Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground |
wire termination
I will be patient. I think this kind of discussion is of value. Thanks
John C.
40600
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or
ground wire termination
I just stuck em where they look cool....lol, I pretty much followed the
placement by several builders, the location of my remote transponder led
to that antenna located aft of the baggage compartment on the bottom
right near the elevator bellcrank. Com 1 is on the right bottom, near
the rear seats. GPS and GDL-69A antennas aft of the cabin top on the
upper rear skin. Com 2 is an Archer in the right tip along with the MKR
BCN made from stripped RG-400 wire, Nav is an Archer in the left tip. I
powered the panel the other night the both COM's recieved very well but
I'm inside the KVGT's class D space at my house, didn't try to transmit.
I was too busy looking for smoke and playing with all the whistles and
bells. I used a heat gun to warm the cylinders, EGT and CHT started to
show a rise from the 92 degress in the garage to about 110 before I
stopped warming the cylinders, MAP was holding a steady reading so far
it looks OK. Thankfully all seemed to be working as advertised. I could
not tell you about the NAV antenna cause the wings are in the hangar and
I could not plug them in to see how it was working.....I have only done
continuity, short to ground and checked the trim and lights on the
wings, no real ops testing there yet....give me about three months :)
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:13:58 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or
ground wire termination
Much of the consternation in finalizing RV-10 kit completion is the
delay in choice of avionics, the choice of antenna, selecting antenna
placement, and then final ground strapping/ground plane/ ground wire
lug. No one is saying that the purchase of avionics needs to be done
any too early. That is a lot of money $$$, but the choice should drive
the choice of antenna. The choice of antenna should drive the location
and then the method of attachment. The distance from the mount to the
avionics is also important and the best performing wire (both coax and
AWG22 power and ground) chosen. Few are even talking about horizontal
and vertical polarity. Or =BD wave, 5/8 wave and associated wind load.
I know Sausen said it didn't amount to much but then we just replaced
all the antennae that got snapped off recently.
Seems some of the flying veterans should weigh in on how early during
the kit completion the antenna mount technique could be (should be)
resolved. I am seeing a lot of builds which delays this important choice
late into the canopy installation. I remember just one builder presented
a spreadsheet/ checkmark matrix as to what, where and why -fairly early
on, in his build. Composite canopies can play havoc with those choices.
It is humorous that so many VANs builders thing of these as aluminum
airplanes. Seems when it comes to antennae, they are more composite in
their mount location than most certificated metal aircraft. Make it
carbon fiber and its even worse.
Has anyone tried duplicating Archers with copper rather than aluminum
(inside the composite wingtip)?
Any takers? Tim's WSI post got me reflecting... which you all know may
not be a good thing. Plus with 1,000 subscribers there are sure a lot
of lurkers and I don't want to lose Michael Sausen's posts again.
Thanks Tim! Maybe some of you can rate your antenna performance and
make stronger recommendations to the next 700 builders.
John Cox
#600
W7COX - (Amateur Radio) for those not informed
get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
p://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire |
termination
John you=92re probably looking more for antenna performance than ease of
placement but I thought it relevant to contribute this=85
I opted to put both com antenna=92s on the belly just aft of the rear
spar
attach bulkhead (copied from Tim Olson
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050522/index.html ). I was
crawling
all over Van=92s personal 10 at the homecoming this year and noticed
that he
actually mounted his com antenna forward of the rear spar attach
bulkhead.
The coax connector is then accessible by removing the cover over the
flap
actuator bar. The significance being the antenna wire is accessible w/o
cutting holes after final assembly. I think Tim opted to put his aux
batteries in this location. I failed to read ahead in the plans far
enough
to see this as a viable mounting location.
I cannot attest to performance of either location.
-Ben
#40579 Tailcone Attach
PDX
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or
ground
wire termination
Much of the consternation in finalizing RV-10 kit completion is the
delay in
choice of avionics, the choice of antenna, selecting antenna placement,
and
then final ground strapping/ground plane/ ground wire lug. No one is
saying
that the purchase of avionics needs to be done any too early. That is a
lot
of money $$$, but the choice should drive the choice of antenna. The
choice
of antenna should drive the location and then the method of attachment.
The
distance from the mount to the avionics is also important and the best
performing wire (both coax and AWG22 power and ground) chosen. Few are
even
talking about horizontal and vertical polarity. Or =BD wave, 5/8 wave
and
associated wind load. I know Sausen said it didn=92t amount to much but
then
we just replaced all the antennae that got snapped off recently.
Seems some of the flying veterans should weigh in on how early during
the
kit completion the antenna mount technique could be (should be)
resolved. I
am seeing a lot of builds which delays this important choice late into
the
canopy installation. I remember just one builder presented a
spreadsheet/
checkmark matrix as to what, where and why -fairly early on, in his
build.
Composite canopies can play havoc with those choices. It is humorous
that
so many VANs builders thing of these as aluminum airplanes. Seems when
it
comes to antennae, they are more composite in their mount location than
most
certificated metal aircraft. Make it carbon fiber and its even worse.
Has anyone tried duplicating Archers with copper rather than aluminum
(inside the composite wingtip)?
Any takers? Tim=92s WSI post got me reflecting=85 which you all know
may not be
a good thing. Plus with 1,000 subscribers there are sure a lot of
lurkers
and I don=92t want to lose Michael Sausen=92s posts again. Thanks Tim!
Maybe
some of you can rate your antenna performance and make stronger
recommendations to the next 700 builders.
John Cox
#600
W7COX ' (Amateur Radio) for those not informed
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| Subject: | WSI AV-300 delivered |
Thanks Tim for the write up. I have not yet gotten my receiver from Stein.
When I do I will follow your write up before I call for help.
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: WSI AV-300 delivered
Today I got my WSI AV-300 activated and loading weather on
my Chelton screens. I did this write-up about the experience
in hopes that it can help answer questions for anyone else going through
the upgrade. Everything seems to be in order, so tomorrow will be
a small 200nm x/c flight to test it all out.
Here's the write-up:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070912/index.html
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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Dear RV-10 list: I am about to start advertising my RV10 for sale
again. (http://welch.econ.brown.edu/n325hp). Moved to the standard
CS 2-blade prop. For sale at $199k---it would probably be very tough
to build with the ingredients that are in this plane, much less in the
pro quality it was built. alas, its not looking as nice as it should.
so, I would also like to spruce up the looks with some vinyl stripe
design to go on top of the existing paint. Does anyone have good
experiences with someone who produces nice vinyl stripes for easy
application? help appreciated.
regards,
/ivo
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Ivo - hoping for the best in your effort to sell N325HP.
Two questions -
#1 - Why would you give up a three blade and buy to install a two blade
prop? I have never heard of getting 325 HP six cylinder Lycoming with
those features.
#2 - Can you enlighten us?
/john
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ivo welch
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Vinyl?
Dear RV-10 list: I am about to start advertising my RV10 for sale
again. (http://welch.econ.brown.edu/n325hp). Moved to the standard
CS 2-blade prop. For sale at $199k---it would probably be very tough
to build with the ingredients that are in this plane, much less in the
pro quality it was built. alas, its not looking as nice as it should.
so, I would also like to spruce up the looks with some vinyl stripe
design to go on top of the existing paint. Does anyone have good
experiences with someone who produces nice vinyl stripes for easy
application? help appreciated.
regards,
/ivo
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground |
wire termination
With all this talk about antennas, I've got a question for the group. I
need to mount a XM weather antenna and an additional GPS antenna. I
already have the primary GPS mounted on the top of the tail cone aft of
the cabin top intersection. I am not keen on placing them on the cabin
top, primarily for aesthetics, so I'm planning on mounting them side by
side on a shelf on the firewall. This will make installation and the
cabling easier. The antennas don't require a ground plane as best as I
can tell. Mounting them in this location will make for a shorter cable
run and an easier installation. Anybody gone this route? Feedback? I
think I recall that Checkoway mounted one or more antennas in this manner.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground wire |
Deems,
Rick Gray did the "antenna tray" on his RV10. Check out the "wet" pic.
Joe
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RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground |
wire termination
Just wanted to provide feedback on the WSI antenna both location and
performance re: grounding.
Today I did 400nm with the new WSI AV-300. I've never EVER had my
weather work as perfectly as this before. It's fantastic. Before,
it was very nice to have, but clearly having only one satellite
and having a piss-poor antenna didn't make it all it could be. The
new Sirius system was great, with the standard antenna. To get the
best positioning, I mounted it on the cabin top, about a foot behind
the now GPS-only antenna for my GNS-480. It's too bad that
things take antennas in the first place, but now both of these guys
have a near level mount, with a full view in all directions.
No ground plane required for either of them, which is nice too.
The new WSI didn't hiccup once for the entire trip, and it kept
me fed with good quality weather. The coolest part is now when
I sign on from the test signal to the real deal, the price is
even lower than I previously paid. So the location and
ground-plane-less install worked great.
Now, if you want to mount a COM or NAV antenna, don't think you'll
get away without that ground plane. Same thing for the Avidyne
TAS from what it sounds like too...so if you're going that route,
think ahead as John states.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
John W. Cox wrote:
> Much of the consternation in finalizing RV-10 kit completion is the
> delay in choice of avionics, the choice of antenna, selecting antenna
> placement, and then final ground strapping/ground plane/ ground wire
> lug. No one is saying that the purchase of avionics needs to be done
> any too early. That is a lot of money $$$, but the choice should drive
> the choice of antenna. The choice of antenna should drive the location
> and then the method of attachment. The distance from the mount to the
> avionics is also important and the best performing wire (both coax and
> AWG22 power and ground) chosen. Few are even talking about horizontal
> and vertical polarity. Or wave, 5/8 wave and associated wind load. I
> know Sausen said it didnt amount to much but then we just replaced all
> the antennae that got snapped off recently.
>
> Seems some of the flying veterans should weigh in on how early during
> the kit completion the antenna mount technique could be (should be)
> resolved. I am seeing a lot of builds which delays this important choice
> late into the canopy installation. I remember just one builder presented
> a spreadsheet/ checkmark matrix as to what, where and why -fairly early
> on, in his build. Composite canopies can play havoc with those
> choices. It is humorous that so many VANs builders thing of these as
> aluminum airplanes. Seems when it comes to antennae, they are more
> composite in their mount location than most certificated metal aircraft.
> Make it carbon fiber and its even worse.
>
> Has anyone tried duplicating Archers with copper rather than aluminum
> (inside the composite wingtip)?
>
> Any takers? Tims WSI post got me reflecting which you all know may
> not be a good thing. Plus with 1,000 subscribers there are sure a lot
> of lurkers and I dont want to lose Michael Sausens posts again.
> Thanks Tim! Maybe some of you can rate your antenna performance and
> make stronger recommendations to the next 700 builders.
>
> John Cox
>
> #600
>
> W7COX (Amateur Radio) for those not informed
>
> *
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I think the old prop was a 2 blad fixed-pitch, wasn't it?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John W. Cox wrote:
>
> Ivo - hoping for the best in your effort to sell N325HP.
>
> Two questions -
> #1 - Why would you give up a three blade and buy to install a two blade
> prop? I have never heard of getting 325 HP six cylinder Lycoming with
> those features.
>
> #2 - Can you enlighten us?
>
> /john
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ivo welch
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Vinyl?
>
>
> Dear RV-10 list: I am about to start advertising my RV10 for sale
> again. (http://welch.econ.brown.edu/n325hp). Moved to the standard
> CS 2-blade prop. For sale at $199k---it would probably be very tough
> to build with the ingredients that are in this plane, much less in the
> pro quality it was built. alas, its not looking as nice as it should.
> so, I would also like to spruce up the looks with some vinyl stripe
> design to go on top of the existing paint. Does anyone have good
> experiences with someone who produces nice vinyl stripes for easy
> application? help appreciated.
>
> regards,
>
> /ivo
>
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| Subject: | Re: Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers |
Yep, that's a big "gotcha" section, so proceed carefully when doing
those nutplates and countersinks so you do it just the way it's
intended. The countersunk holes are just for fastening the wing
root fairings later.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
pascal wrote:
> no idea about the answer but I'll throw a Wing Gotcha from Tim's site
> out there for you since your on this page.
>
> *This clip comes from:
> **http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20040906/index.html*
> On page 16-2
> <http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/wing/20040906/careful16-2.jpg>, the aft
> wing-walk doubler has a nutplate holes to drill. Read ahead for the
> nutplate riveting and you will see that the forward most hole in the aft
> wing-walk doubler is correct per plans. I accidently drilled mine for a
> standard center-threaded nutplate, whereas this gets the nutplate with
> the threads on the end, with 2 rivets side by side.
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* mark verrill <mailto:mverrill@earthlink.net>
> *To:* RV10-List@matronics.com <mailto:RV10-List@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:40 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Top Wing Skin and Wing Walk Doublers
>
> Hi folks, just looking for verification from someone who has been
> past this part before. Pg. 16-2 calls for several# 19 holes to be
> drilled, then countersunk. This is a first for me to countersink a
> hole this large in other than solid aluminum, like .060 plus. In
> this case, the top layer is the .025 top layer of skin, the walk
> doublers at .020 and the rib at ~ .025. This seems to leave some
> terrbly thin edges around this countersink. Based upon the other
> steps, it appears this wiill have another layer of dimpled material
> then a screw...which may make this less daunting, but without the
> manual section on fairning for the wing roots, I really don't know
> exactly what will attach here and how. I set up an example with
> some scraps of the same thickness and it appears that with another
> dimpled layer inside this countersink that this will be solid
> dispite the thin bevel. Someone reassure me please that I am
> reading this correctly (specifically step 3 on pg. 16-2)
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Verrill ~ SB wings
>
>
> mark verrill
> mverrill@earthlink.net <mailto:mverrill@earthlink.net>
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
>
>
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>
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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I sent this yesterday but may have had the wrong to address. If it is a
duplicate, I apologize. I am just about ready to close up the top skin on
the tail. Is there anything that anyone could recommend that I add to the
tail or structure prior to putting on the top. As an example, Tim you have
some good photos on your site where you added angle to support the AHRS.
What about ELT installation, etc. I would love to see some pictures of any
installations that might be beneficial to copy. Also, where is the best
place for the ELT to go?
Thanks,
Rick Leach
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground |
wire termination
Have you considered mounting them under the cabin top, inside the
Accuracy Avionics overhead console? I know there are two layers of
fiberglass and a core, but that shouldn't interfere with the signals.
(in my non expert opinion). Any thoughts?
Larry Rosen
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> With all this talk about antennas, I've got a question for the group.
> I need to mount a XM weather antenna and an additional GPS antenna. I
> already have the primary GPS mounted on the top of the tail cone aft
> of the cabin top intersection. I am not keen on placing them on the
> cabin top, primarily for aesthetics, so I'm planning on mounting them
> side by side on a shelf on the firewall. This will make installation
> and the cabling easier. The antennas don't require a ground plane as
> best as I can tell. Mounting them in this location will make for a
> shorter cable run and an easier installation. Anybody gone this route?
> Feedback? I think I recall that Checkoway mounted one or more antennas
> in this manner.
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>> *
>>
>> *
>
>
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3 blade fixed (twist) Cato prop.
Deems
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I think the old prop was a 2 blad fixed-pitch, wasn't it?
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John W. Cox wrote:
>>
>> Ivo - hoping for the best in your effort to sell N325HP.
>>
>> Two questions - #1 - Why would you give up a three blade and buy to
>> install a two blade
>> prop? I have never heard of getting 325 HP six cylinder Lycoming with
>> those features.
>> #2 - Can you enlighten us?
>>
>> /john
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ivo welch
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:50 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Vinyl?
>>
>>
>> Dear RV-10 list: I am about to start advertising my RV10 for sale
>> again. (http://welch.econ.brown.edu/n325hp). Moved to the standard
>> CS 2-blade prop. For sale at $199k---it would probably be very tough
>> to build with the ingredients that are in this plane, much less in the
>> pro quality it was built. alas, its not looking as nice as it should.
>> so, I would also like to spruce up the looks with some vinyl stripe
>> design to go on top of the existing paint. Does anyone have good
>> experiences with someone who produces nice vinyl stripes for easy
>> application? help appreciated.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> /ivo
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna placement and adequate ground plane or ground |
wire termination
Zack thanks for the pic of Ricks install. Larry, I think it's going to
be easier to do the firewall shelf. I just spent 60 minutes in the
garage and bent up some .032" and riveted it into a decent 'shelf'. I've
already got 4 bolts that hold the voltage regulators to the inside of
the firewall that I'll use to attach this to. One thing I didn't account
for is the slight forward cant of the upper part of the firewall so
there is a bit of a tilt to the shelf that I'll have to take out with
some shims/standoffs. The cable/antenna runs for the cabin top install
are problematic for me.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> Have you considered mounting them under the cabin top, inside the
> Accuracy Avionics overhead console? I know there are two layers of
> fiberglass and a core, but that shouldn't interfere with the signals.
> (in my non expert opinion). Any thoughts?
>
> Larry Rosen
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>> With all this talk about antennas, I've got a question for the group.
>> I need to mount a XM weather antenna and an additional GPS antenna. I
>> already have the primary GPS mounted on the top of the tail cone aft
>> of the cabin top intersection. I am not keen on placing them on the
>> cabin top, primarily for aesthetics, so I'm planning on mounting them
>> side by side on a shelf on the firewall. This will make installation
>> and the cabling easier. The antennas don't require a ground plane as
>> best as I can tell. Mounting them in this location will make for a
>> shorter cable run and an easier installation. Anybody gone this
>> route? Feedback? I think I recall that Checkoway mounted one or more
>> antennas in this manner.
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Seems to be 2 preferred locations for the elt. One under the far aft
under the vertical stab and the other is in the tail cone near the
baggage compartment bulkhead on the right side. Vans has a mounting
kit, but it is easy to make your self. The rear location puts the
weight far aft, and has a short wire run to the antenna.
Some items to complete prior to closing up the final skin on the tail
would be,
Any battery box modifications based on the battery you will be using.
Pitch servo installation
Wire pulls for battery, rear light and strobe, etc.
Strobe power supply mounting
AHARS (if you are mounting it in the rear and not a wing)
Static port tubing runs
Just a short list, but a start.
Larry Rosen
#356
Rick Leach wrote:
>
> I sent this yesterday but may have had the wrong to address. If it is
> a duplicate, I apologize. I am just about ready to close up the top
> skin on the tail. Is there anything that anyone could recommend that
> I add to the tail or structure prior to putting on the top. As an
> example, Tim you have some good photos on your site where you added
> angle to support the AHRS. What about ELT installation, etc. I would
> love to see some pictures of any installations that might be
> beneficial to copy. Also, where is the best place for the ELT to go?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Rick Leach
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Guys,
Some pictures attached for your viewing after 9 months and 90hrs since firs
t flight.
Anh
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Tim,
What did you hear about this?
Dave Leikam
40496
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Wow!
Dave Leikam
40496
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----- Original Message -----
From: DejaVu
To: RV10
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: All Painted
Guys,
Some pictures attached for your viewing after 9 months and 90hrs since
first flight.
Anh
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