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1. 01:10 AM - Re: Oil Canning (John Dunne)
2. 01:19 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Chris and Susie McGough)
3. 03:05 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Chris and Susie McGough)
4. 03:49 AM - Re: Russel DavisRussel Davis (Wayne Edgerton)
5. 04:35 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Wayne Edgerton)
6. 07:21 AM - Looking for friends (Wayne Hadath)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Vernon Smith)
8. 08:12 AM - Re: Looking for friends (Mark Ritter)
9. 08:32 AM - Re: Russel DavisRussel Davis (Rick Sked)
10. 08:59 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (John Gonzalez)
11. 09:51 AM - Empty weight (Albert Gardner)
12. 11:34 AM - Re: Empty weight (Vernon Smith)
13. 02:33 PM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Chris and Susie McGough)
14. 03:53 PM - Re: Empty weight (John W. Cox)
15. 04:31 PM - The end of Selective Availability (SA) on GPS (German Alvarez)
16. 08:06 PM - Re: Empty weight (Richard Sipp)
17. 08:44 PM - Re: Empty weight (Albert Gardner)
18. 08:44 PM - Re: Empty weight (Albert Gardner)
19. 11:20 PM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Michael Wellenzohn)
20. 11:29 PM - Brake cylinder assembly question (Michael Wellenzohn)
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Ron, I had a similar problem with the VS but it occurred whilst I was
adjusting nose ribs for a better fit (previous well known issue) and I was
introducing a twist whilst trying to tighten the skin. Relaxed the shape and
allowed the natural form to dictate the lay up without putting too much
pressure on the fit. The skin should "suck" into the airflow in any case and
unless it drums should not be an issue.
Otherwise you could always shove in a packet of self-expanding packaging
foam!
John 40315
Do not archive and I in no way endorse inflatable RV-10's
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Canning
Thanks all for the responses.
As mentioned, I am at the stages of final assembly and the vast majority of
panels are tighter than a drum. I religiously started riveting from the
centre and worked towards the edges - as you have done Dave. On perhaps a
handful of panels, the skin is not quite so tight and exhibits a slight
'wobble' when pressed in just the right spot, but the skin always recovers
to the relaxed condition. The VS is just way too loose in my mind and needs
to be tightened. I have heard other descriptions of oil canning as the
skin popping out when pressed in a particular place - and staying there
until pressed again. Am I confusing some flex in the panels with something
more insidious?
cheers,
Ron
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DLIUDVINAITIS@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Canning
Ron,
I myself have not had any signs of oil canning. Have done my Hs, wings, Vs,
tailcone 1.5 years ago still have not seen any. Maybe when you were
assembling Hs, wings, Vs, etc. you started at the ends and worked riveting
inward towards centers. I myself started in center of assembles and worked
outward this I thought would help by letting metal shrink/strech outwards
towards the ends of assembles. worked for me I have no oil canning visible
as for solving problem. shrinking metal/streching I would go with tech
recommendations an/or move on and keep building.
Dave Liudvinaitis
#40466
fuselage, side skins
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Subject: | Re: Rivethead-aero |
I have emailed ...phoned..and now sent registered mail from Australia and
nothing heard in 2.5 months of waiting for paid parts!
Dave is not fine ,Piss week business
regards Chris 388
Melbourne Aus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Groves" <groves@epix.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero
>
> Trust me Dave is fine and he is still there making Parts, He is just very
> very busy.
> Kirk
>>
>> From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
>> Date: 2007/09/18 Tue PM 07:27:09 EDT
>> To: RV 10 list <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero
>>
>>
>> Has anyone had any real contact with www.Rivethead-aero.com (Full
>> Throttle Concepts) in the last two weeks or so? I have been trying to
>> contact them by email and phone -no reply to my emails and their
>> voicemail box has been full since last week. Also today I noticed their
>> website has expired and reverted to a "link site". I hope they haven't
>> gone away but it doesn't look good. So if you know anything please prove
>> me wrong. Also if David could reassure the group that all is well and
>> explain what is going on that would be great.
>>
>> Vern Smith
>>
>> do not archive
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger
>> Caf.
>> http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rivethead-aero |
I just received this email from rivethead aero. Hopefully David comes good
and it seems by temporarily closing his website he is doing something
positive to fill backorders.
regards Chris 388
RV Builder / Owner:
I apologize for the lack of communication concerning the status
of your order. Over the past weeks I have been working to complete open
orders. If your parts have not shipped yet, they will be on the way very
shortly. I appreciate your frustration.
I assure you Full Throttle Concepts will continue to provide and support
these products. I am very thankful to every member of the RV community for
their support. My intent is to provide parts of good quality, and I want
each person to be satisfied years after their purchase.
I will be temporarily suspending new web orders as I concentrate on
completing orders and building inventory. I will also use this time
implement more efficient tooling and programming in the production
processes. I will open web orders again on 10/12/2007. In an effort to
provide better communication concerning order status, stock level and lead
time information will be added to the website.
Again, I am very thankful to all of the people in the RV community for their
support over the years. Keeping pace with this group can be challenging,
but for me it is very rewarding. I enjoy this work very much and I will
continue to improve my service.
Sincerely,
David Czachorowski
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Subject: | Re: Russel DavisRussel Davis |
"Russ? or Stein? Stein had an accident I don't believe it was Russ."
Rick S.
40185
I talked to Russ last night and he didn't say anything about an
accident? He's flying over to the Dallas area Saturday to pick up a
plane at the paint shop.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Rivethead-aero |
I received my order from Rivethead yesterday, which was the metal door
guides and new polished outside door handles. They really look great. I
have been communicating with Dave's nephew Joe and here is his last
e-mail to me. Dave apparently has a regular job and does the RV stuff on
the side.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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Wayne,
Glad you got your parts. Dave has been extremely busy with his job,
and I mean extremely! Hopefully soon for the interior handles. I have
seen his design on Solid Works. I actually got to see them work with
this software. Pretty cool. It will be well worth the wait and the
good news is that you can still use your Vans handles because these are
bolt on replacements.
Glad to hear your painting is coming along. I look forward to seeing
some pics.
Joe
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Subject: | Looking for friends |
Fellow RV 10 Builders
I have purchased Serial number 40732. I have just mounted the tail cone and
am currently working on the baggage door. What a terrific kit!!
I am located in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada and I am building at my hangar at
CYKF.
I heard recently that there is a builder located in Salem, which is not far
from here. If you monitor the list may be you could contact me. Are there
any other builders in the Kitchener area?
I still have not decided on prop yet but I am leaning towards the 3 blade
MT. I don't like the fact it is a wooden prop but I am familiar with the
smoothness of the 3 blades.
Hopefully in the next while there will be a bit more clarity on the ELT
situation so an informed decision can be made.
Thanks
Wayne Hadath
RV 10 Quickbuild, hoping for first flight, 1st day of summer 08.
F1 Rocket (Parts kit) 200 hours flying
http://www.justplaneworks.com/
Just Plane Works Inc.
23 Jadestone Court
Kitchener, Ontario
Canada
N2A 3X7
519-648-3375
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I also received the same email from David. Thank you all for proving my fea
rs unfounded. Slow processing I can handle. No communication makes me nervo
us.
Vern Smith
do not archive
> From: VHMUM@bigpond.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-
List: Rivethead-aero> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:04:59 +1000> > --> RV10-Lis
t message posted by: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>> > I jus
t received this email from rivethead aero. Hopefully David comes good > and
it seems by temporarily closing his website he is doing something > positi
ve to fill backorders.> > regards Chris 388> > > > RV Builder / Owner:> > I
apologize for the lack of communication concerning the status > of your or
der. Over the past weeks I have been working to complete open > orders. If
your parts have not shipped yet, they will be on the way very > shortly. I
appreciate your frustration.> > I assure you Full Throttle Concepts will co
ntinue to provide and support > these products. I am very thankful to every
member of the RV community for > their support. My intent is to provide pa
rts of good quality, and I want > each person to be satisfied years after t
heir purchase.> > I will be temporarily suspending new web orders as I conc
entrate on > completing orders and building inventory. I will also use this
time > implement more efficient tooling and programming in the production
> processes. I will open web orders again on 10/12/2007. In an effort to >
provide better communication concerning order status, stock level and lead
> time information will be added to the website.> > Again, I am very thankf
ul to all of the people in the RV community for their > support over the ye
ars. Keeping pace with this group can be challenging, > but for me it is ve
ry rewarding. I enjoy this work very much and I will > continue to improve
========================> _
=======> > >
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Subject: | Looking for friends |
Wayne,
I have an MT three blade prop on my RV-10 and love the takeoff power and vi
bration free operation (I understand the two blade is also very smooth and
has all the push you need for takeoff). Probably a tad slower than the two
blade but it does look sexy. Little nicks are easy to fix on the composite
cover. I got a few in Mexico and fixed them with some five minute epoxy pe
r the MT manuel.
Mark
RV-10/N410MR <html><div></div>
From: whadath@rogers.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Look
ing for friendsDate: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:19:11 -0400
Fellow RV 10 Builders
I have purchased Serial number 40732. I have just mounted the tail cone and
am currently working on the baggage door. What a terrific kit!!
I am located in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada and I am building at my hangar a
t CYKF.
I heard recently that there is a builder located in Salem, which is not far
from here. If you monitor the list may be you could contact me. Are there
any other builders in the Kitchener area?
I still have not decided on prop yet but I am leaning towards the 3 blade M
T. I don=92t like the fact it is a wooden prop but I am familiar with the s
moothness of the 3 blades.
Hopefully in the next while there will be a bit more clarity on the ELT sit
uation so an informed decision can be made.
Thanks
Wayne Hadath
RV 10 Quickbuild, hoping for first flight, 1st day of summer 08.
F1 Rocket (Parts kit) 200 hours flying
http://www.justplaneworks.com/
Just Plane Works Inc.
23 Jadestone Court
Kitchener, Ontario
Canada
N2A 3X7
519-648-3375
_________________________________________________________________
Gear up for Halo=AE 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It=92s ou
r way of saying thanks for using Windows Live=99.
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Subject: | Re: Russel DavisRussel Davis |
Wayne, it was Stein Burch from Stein Air, the post referencing Russ was mis
read on Vansairforce site. As far as I/we know Russ is doing fine, matter
of fact his wife posted get well wishes to Stein on the Vans list. I think
that is where the confusion started.
Rick
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:48:07 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angel
es
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Russel DavisRussel Davis
" Russ? or Stein? Stein had an accident I don't believe it was Russ."
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Rick S.
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 40185
I talked to Russ last night and he didn't say anything about an accident? H
e's flying over to the Dallas area Saturday to pick up a plane at the paint
shop.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
do not archive
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When he is the only one producing the parts, don't think this will actually
happen to him.
We are lucky to get what we get!
John G.
>From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:10:51 -0500
>
><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
>He might want to try responding to his customers before he finds himself
>with a lot of free time and no one buying.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Groves
>Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:07 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero
>
>
> Trust me Dave is fine and he is still there making Parts, He is just very
>very busy.
> Kirk
> >
> > From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
> > Date: 2007/09/18 Tue PM 07:27:09 EDT
> > To: RV 10 list <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero
> >
> >
> > Has anyone had any real contact with www.Rivethead-aero.com (Full
>Throttle Concepts) in the last two weeks or so? I have been trying to
>contact them by email and phone -no reply to my emails and their voicemail
>box has been full since last week. Also today I noticed their website has
>expired and reverted to a "link site". I hope they haven't gone away but it
>doesn't look good. So if you know anything please prove me wrong. Also if
>David could reassure the group that all is well and explain what is going
>on that would be great.
> >
> > Vern Smith
> >
> > do not archive
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger
>Caf.
> > http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline
> >
>
>
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I weighed N991RV yesterday as part of getting ready for the DAR.
Left wheel: 659 lbs., right wheel: 665 lbs., nose wheel: 310 lbs.
Total: 1634 lbs.
Eguipment: Dynon 180 & 100, sl30, sl40, ps8000 audio, truetrak, full
flightline interior (not leather) overhead console, painted, aerocomposits
3 blade prop, soundproofing under floor.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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Sounds like a nice combination. If you get a chance, pictures would be grea
t, but first things first get the DAR visit completed.
Vern Smith
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> From: ibspud@roadrunner.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV10-
List: Empty weight> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:00:12 -0700> > --> RV10-List
message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>> > > I weighed
N991RV yesterday as part of getting ready for the DAR.> Left wheel: 659 lbs
., right wheel: 665 lbs., nose wheel: 310 lbs.> Total: 1634 lbs.> > Eguipme
nt: Dynon 180 & 100, sl30, sl40, ps8000 audio, truetrak, full> flightline i
nterior (not leather) overhead console, painted, aerocomposits> 3 blade pro
========================> _
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Subject: | Re: Rivethead-aero |
If you get the parts John....thats the problem! Enough said we shall see
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero
>
> When he is the only one producing the parts, don't think this will
> actually happen to him.
>
> We are lucky to get what we get!
>
> John G.
>
>
>>From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero
>>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:10:51 -0500
>>
>><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>>He might want to try responding to his customers before he finds himself
>>with a lot of free time and no one buying.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Groves
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:07 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero
>>
>>
>> Trust me Dave is fine and he is still there making Parts, He is just
>> very very busy.
>> Kirk
>> >
>> > From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
>> > Date: 2007/09/18 Tue PM 07:27:09 EDT
>> > To: RV 10 list <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero
>> >
>> >
>> > Has anyone had any real contact with www.Rivethead-aero.com (Full
>>Throttle Concepts) in the last two weeks or so? I have been trying to
>>contact them by email and phone -no reply to my emails and their voicemail
>>box has been full since last week. Also today I noticed their website has
>>expired and reverted to a "link site". I hope they haven't gone away but
>>it doesn't look good. So if you know anything please prove me wrong. Also
>>if David could reassure the group that all is well and explain what is
>>going on that would be great.
>> >
>> > Vern Smith
>> >
>> > do not archive
>> > _________________________________________________________________
>> > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger
>>Caf.
>> > http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Albert, valuable post...knowing the left to right differential is
important and great to read. Did you mount your batteries right of the
longitudinal centerline?
John Cox
Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Empty weight
<ibspud@roadrunner.com>
I weighed N991RV yesterday as part of getting ready for the DAR.
Left wheel: 659 lbs., right wheel: 665 lbs., nose wheel: 310 lbs.
Total: 1634 lbs.
Eguipment: Dynon 180 & 100, sl30, sl40, ps8000 audio, truetrak, full
flightline interior (not leather) overhead console, painted,
aerocomposits
3 blade prop, soundproofing under floor.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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Subject: | The end of Selective Availability (SA) on GPS |
Not specific to the RV-10, but good news, future GPS satellites will not
even have the SA feature.
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/09/us-ends-gps-cri.html
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=GPS+%22Selective+Availability%22&btnG=Search
--ga
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Subject: | Re: Empty weight |
Great data point Albert, thanks for sharing. How about the same for more of
the finished airplanes? Also the empty CG location would be nice to know.
Dick Sipp
N110DV 40065
finishing frenzy at airport
> I weighed N991RV yesterday as part of getting ready for the DAR.
> Left wheel: 659 lbs., right wheel: 665 lbs., nose wheel: 310 lbs.
> Total: 1634 lbs.
>
> Eguipment: Dynon 180 & 100, sl30, sl40, ps8000 audio, truetrak, full
> flightline interior (not leather) overhead console, painted, aerocomposits
> 3 blade prop, soundproofing under floor.
>
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
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The battery is in Vans location on the centerline. I was a little surprised
to see the extra 6 lbs. on the right wheel. The trutrak servo is in the
right wing so that's certainly part of the difference but I didn't weigh it
before I installed it.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
Albert, valuable post...knowing the left to right differential is
important and great to read. Did you mount your batteries right of the
longitudinal centerline?
John Cox
Oregon
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OK Dick, here are the calculations of empty C.G. The main wheel arm
lengths
(and all other arm lengths as well) came from Vans. I didn't measure
them
myself.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
Datum 99.44 Inches forward of wing
leading
edge. (L.E.)
Design C.G. Range 15%-30% of wing chord, or 8.4 - 16.8
inches
from L.E., or 107.84 - 116.24 inches aft of Datum.
Wing L.E. 99.44 inches aft of Datum.
Fuel 108.9" aft of datum
Pilot & Front Seat Passenger 114.58" aft of datum.
Rear Seat Passenger(s) 151.26" aft of datum.
Baggage 173.5" aft of datum.
Max
100 lbs.
Aircraft is initially weighed empty in level flight attitude. Includes
all
engine fluids and non usable fuel.
Airplane CG Weight Arm
Moment
Main wheel, right 665 124.44
82,752.60
Main wheel, left 659 124.31
81,920.29
Nose wheel 310 50.44
15,636.40
Totals 1,634
180,309.29
C.G. 110.35
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Subject: | Re: Rivethead-aero |
I wish I also had received a mail or order confirmation.
Still hoping
Michael
www.wellenzohn.net
(engine mounted yesterday and put her on the wheels the day before)
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Subject: | Brake cylinder assembly question |
Hello,
just a quick question on the brake cylinder as described on page 46-07 Step 2&3.
Both cylinder are identical that means I have two "left sides" because the bleeder
valve on the right side points up and not down. Was it the same with yours?
Also it calls for AD822-4D elbow fittings but they wont fit in the threaded
holes in the cylinder (hole is too small).
2.Question Front tire tube installation, did you remove all washers even the one
which protects the tube see attached picture (washer on the right).
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