RV10-List Digest Archive

Wed 09/19/07


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:10 AM - Re: Oil Canning (John Dunne)
     2. 01:19 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Chris and Susie McGough)
     3. 03:05 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Chris and Susie McGough)
     4. 03:49 AM - Re: Russel DavisRussel Davis (Wayne Edgerton)
     5. 04:35 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Wayne Edgerton)
     6. 07:21 AM - Looking for friends (Wayne Hadath)
     7. 07:50 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Vernon Smith)
     8. 08:12 AM - Re: Looking for friends (Mark Ritter)
     9. 08:32 AM - Re: Russel DavisRussel Davis (Rick Sked)
    10. 08:59 AM - Re: Rivethead-aero (John Gonzalez)
    11. 09:51 AM - Empty weight (Albert Gardner)
    12. 11:34 AM - Re: Empty weight (Vernon Smith)
    13. 02:33 PM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Chris and Susie McGough)
    14. 03:53 PM - Re: Empty weight (John W. Cox)
    15. 04:31 PM - The end of Selective Availability (SA) on GPS (German Alvarez)
    16. 08:06 PM - Re: Empty weight (Richard Sipp)
    17. 08:44 PM - Re: Empty weight (Albert Gardner)
    18. 08:44 PM - Re: Empty weight (Albert Gardner)
    19. 11:20 PM - Re: Rivethead-aero (Michael Wellenzohn)
    20. 11:29 PM - Brake cylinder assembly question (Michael Wellenzohn)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:10:56 AM PST US
    From: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
    Subject: Oil Canning
    Ron, I had a similar problem with the VS but it occurred whilst I was adjusting nose ribs for a better fit (previous well known issue) and I was introducing a twist whilst trying to tighten the skin. Relaxed the shape and allowed the natural form to dictate the lay up without putting too much pressure on the fit. The skin should "suck" into the airflow in any case and unless it drums should not be an issue. Otherwise you could always shove in a packet of self-expanding packaging foam! John 40315 Do not archive and I in no way endorse inflatable RV-10's _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2007 12:41 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Canning Thanks all for the responses. As mentioned, I am at the stages of final assembly and the vast majority of panels are tighter than a drum. I religiously started riveting from the centre and worked towards the edges - as you have done Dave. On perhaps a handful of panels, the skin is not quite so tight and exhibits a slight 'wobble' when pressed in just the right spot, but the skin always recovers to the relaxed condition. The VS is just way too loose in my mind and needs to be tightened. I have heard other descriptions of oil canning as the skin popping out when pressed in a particular place - and staying there until pressed again. Am I confusing some flex in the panels with something more insidious? cheers, Ron _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLIUDVINAITIS@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Canning Ron, I myself have not had any signs of oil canning. Have done my Hs, wings, Vs, tailcone 1.5 years ago still have not seen any. Maybe when you were assembling Hs, wings, Vs, etc. you started at the ends and worked riveting inward towards centers. I myself started in center of assembles and worked outward this I thought would help by letting metal shrink/strech outwards towards the ends of assembles. worked for me I have no oil canning visible as for solving problem. shrinking metal/streching I would go with tech recommendations an/or move on and keep building. Dave Liudvinaitis #40466 fuselage, side skins _____ Make AOL Your Homepage. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 01:19:47 AM PST US
    From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Re: Rivethead-aero
    I have emailed ...phoned..and now sent registered mail from Australia and nothing heard in 2.5 months of waiting for paid parts! Dave is not fine ,Piss week business regards Chris 388 Melbourne Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Groves" <groves@epix.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero > > Trust me Dave is fine and he is still there making Parts, He is just very > very busy. > Kirk >> >> From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com> >> Date: 2007/09/18 Tue PM 07:27:09 EDT >> To: RV 10 list <rv10-list@matronics.com> >> Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero >> >> >> Has anyone had any real contact with www.Rivethead-aero.com (Full >> Throttle Concepts) in the last two weeks or so? I have been trying to >> contact them by email and phone -no reply to my emails and their >> voicemail box has been full since last week. Also today I noticed their >> website has expired and reverted to a "link site". I hope they haven't >> gone away but it doesn't look good. So if you know anything please prove >> me wrong. Also if David could reassure the group that all is well and >> explain what is going on that would be great. >> >> Vern Smith >> >> do not archive >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger >> Caf. >> http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline >> > > >


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    Time: 03:05:55 AM PST US
    From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Re: Rivethead-aero
    I just received this email from rivethead aero. Hopefully David comes good and it seems by temporarily closing his website he is doing something positive to fill backorders. regards Chris 388 RV Builder / Owner: I apologize for the lack of communication concerning the status of your order. Over the past weeks I have been working to complete open orders. If your parts have not shipped yet, they will be on the way very shortly. I appreciate your frustration. I assure you Full Throttle Concepts will continue to provide and support these products. I am very thankful to every member of the RV community for their support. My intent is to provide parts of good quality, and I want each person to be satisfied years after their purchase. I will be temporarily suspending new web orders as I concentrate on completing orders and building inventory. I will also use this time implement more efficient tooling and programming in the production processes. I will open web orders again on 10/12/2007. In an effort to provide better communication concerning order status, stock level and lead time information will be added to the website. Again, I am very thankful to all of the people in the RV community for their support over the years. Keeping pace with this group can be challenging, but for me it is very rewarding. I enjoy this work very much and I will continue to improve my service. Sincerely, David Czachorowski


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    Time: 03:49:10 AM PST US
    From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
    Subject: Re: Russel DavisRussel Davis
    "Russ? or Stein? Stein had an accident I don't believe it was Russ." Rick S. 40185 I talked to Russ last night and he didn't say anything about an accident? He's flying over to the Dallas area Saturday to pick up a plane at the paint shop. Wayne Edgerton N602WT do not archive


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    Time: 04:35:24 AM PST US
    From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
    Subject: Re: Rivethead-aero
    I received my order from Rivethead yesterday, which was the metal door guides and new polished outside door handles. They really look great. I have been communicating with Dave's nephew Joe and here is his last e-mail to me. Dave apparently has a regular job and does the RV stuff on the side. Wayne Edgerton N602WT _________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ Wayne, Glad you got your parts. Dave has been extremely busy with his job, and I mean extremely! Hopefully soon for the interior handles. I have seen his design on Solid Works. I actually got to see them work with this software. Pretty cool. It will be well worth the wait and the good news is that you can still use your Vans handles because these are bolt on replacements. Glad to hear your painting is coming along. I look forward to seeing some pics. Joe


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    Time: 07:21:49 AM PST US
    From: "Wayne Hadath" <whadath@rogers.com>
    Subject: Looking for friends
    Fellow RV 10 Builders I have purchased Serial number 40732. I have just mounted the tail cone and am currently working on the baggage door. What a terrific kit!! I am located in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada and I am building at my hangar at CYKF. I heard recently that there is a builder located in Salem, which is not far from here. If you monitor the list may be you could contact me. Are there any other builders in the Kitchener area? I still have not decided on prop yet but I am leaning towards the 3 blade MT. I don't like the fact it is a wooden prop but I am familiar with the smoothness of the 3 blades. Hopefully in the next while there will be a bit more clarity on the ELT situation so an informed decision can be made. Thanks Wayne Hadath RV 10 Quickbuild, hoping for first flight, 1st day of summer 08. F1 Rocket (Parts kit) 200 hours flying http://www.justplaneworks.com/ Just Plane Works Inc. 23 Jadestone Court Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2A 3X7 519-648-3375


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    Time: 07:50:00 AM PST US
    From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Rivethead-aero
    I also received the same email from David. Thank you all for proving my fea rs unfounded. Slow processing I can handle. No communication makes me nervo us. Vern Smith do not archive > From: VHMUM@bigpond.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10- List: Rivethead-aero> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:04:59 +1000> > --> RV10-Lis t message posted by: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>> > I jus t received this email from rivethead aero. Hopefully David comes good > and it seems by temporarily closing his website he is doing something > positi ve to fill backorders.> > regards Chris 388> > > > RV Builder / Owner:> > I apologize for the lack of communication concerning the status > of your or der. Over the past weeks I have been working to complete open > orders. If your parts have not shipped yet, they will be on the way very > shortly. I appreciate your frustration.> > I assure you Full Throttle Concepts will co ntinue to provide and support > these products. I am very thankful to every member of the RV community for > their support. My intent is to provide pa rts of good quality, and I want > each person to be satisfied years after t heir purchase.> > I will be temporarily suspending new web orders as I conc entrate on > completing orders and building inventory. I will also use this time > implement more efficient tooling and programming in the production > processes. I will open web orders again on 10/12/2007. In an effort to > provide better communication concerning order status, stock level and lead > time information will be added to the website.> > Again, I am very thankf ul to all of the people in the RV community for their > support over the ye ars. Keeping pace with this group can be challenging, > but for me it is ve ry rewarding. I enjoy this work very much and I will > continue to improve ========================> _ =======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo=AE 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It=92s ou r way of saying thanks for using Windows Live=99. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2


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    Time: 08:12:49 AM PST US
    From: Mark Ritter <mritter509@msn.com>
    Subject: Looking for friends
    Wayne, I have an MT three blade prop on my RV-10 and love the takeoff power and vi bration free operation (I understand the two blade is also very smooth and has all the push you need for takeoff). Probably a tad slower than the two blade but it does look sexy. Little nicks are easy to fix on the composite cover. I got a few in Mexico and fixed them with some five minute epoxy pe r the MT manuel. Mark RV-10/N410MR <html><div></div> From: whadath@rogers.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Look ing for friendsDate: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:19:11 -0400 Fellow RV 10 Builders I have purchased Serial number 40732. I have just mounted the tail cone and am currently working on the baggage door. What a terrific kit!! I am located in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada and I am building at my hangar a t CYKF. I heard recently that there is a builder located in Salem, which is not far from here. If you monitor the list may be you could contact me. Are there any other builders in the Kitchener area? I still have not decided on prop yet but I am leaning towards the 3 blade M T. I don=92t like the fact it is a wooden prop but I am familiar with the s moothness of the 3 blades. Hopefully in the next while there will be a bit more clarity on the ELT sit uation so an informed decision can be made. Thanks Wayne Hadath RV 10 Quickbuild, hoping for first flight, 1st day of summer 08. F1 Rocket (Parts kit) 200 hours flying http://www.justplaneworks.com/ Just Plane Works Inc. 23 Jadestone Court Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2A 3X7 519-648-3375 _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo=AE 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It=92s ou r way of saying thanks for using Windows Live=99. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2


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    Time: 08:32:16 AM PST US
    From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Russel DavisRussel Davis
    Wayne, it was Stein Burch from Stein Air, the post referencing Russ was mis read on Vansairforce site. As far as I/we know Russ is doing fine, matter of fact his wife posted get well wishes to Stein on the Vans list. I think that is where the confusion started. Rick do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:48:07 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angel es Subject: Re: RV10-List: Russel DavisRussel Davis " Russ? or Stein? Stein had an accident I don't believe it was Russ." =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Rick S. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 40185 I talked to Russ last night and he didn't say anything about an accident? H e's flying over to the Dallas area Saturday to pick up a plane at the paint shop. Wayne Edgerton N602WT do not archive ==== =======================


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    Time: 08:59:00 AM PST US
    From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Rivethead-aero
    When he is the only one producing the parts, don't think this will actually happen to him. We are lucky to get what we get! John G. >From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net> >To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:10:51 -0500 > ><rvbuilder@sausen.net> > >He might want to try responding to his customers before he finds himself >with a lot of free time and no one buying. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Groves >Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:07 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero > > > Trust me Dave is fine and he is still there making Parts, He is just very >very busy. > Kirk > > > > From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com> > > Date: 2007/09/18 Tue PM 07:27:09 EDT > > To: RV 10 list <rv10-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero > > > > > > Has anyone had any real contact with www.Rivethead-aero.com (Full >Throttle Concepts) in the last two weeks or so? I have been trying to >contact them by email and phone -no reply to my emails and their voicemail >box has been full since last week. Also today I noticed their website has >expired and reverted to a "link site". I hope they haven't gone away but it >doesn't look good. So if you know anything please prove me wrong. Also if >David could reassure the group that all is well and explain what is going >on that would be great. > > > > Vern Smith > > > > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger >Caf. > > http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline > > > >


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    Time: 09:51:50 AM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Empty weight
    I weighed N991RV yesterday as part of getting ready for the DAR. Left wheel: 659 lbs., right wheel: 665 lbs., nose wheel: 310 lbs. Total: 1634 lbs. Eguipment: Dynon 180 & 100, sl30, sl40, ps8000 audio, truetrak, full flightline interior (not leather) overhead console, painted, aerocomposits 3 blade prop, soundproofing under floor. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 11:34:09 AM PST US
    From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Empty weight
    Sounds like a nice combination. If you get a chance, pictures would be grea t, but first things first get the DAR visit completed. Vern Smith do not archive > From: ibspud@roadrunner.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV10- List: Empty weight> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:00:12 -0700> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>> > > I weighed N991RV yesterday as part of getting ready for the DAR.> Left wheel: 659 lbs ., right wheel: 665 lbs., nose wheel: 310 lbs.> Total: 1634 lbs.> > Eguipme nt: Dynon 180 & 100, sl30, sl40, ps8000 audio, truetrak, full> flightline i nterior (not leather) overhead console, painted, aerocomposits> 3 blade pro ========================> _ =======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo=AE 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It=92s ou r way of saying thanks for using Windows Live=99. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2


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    Time: 02:33:47 PM PST US
    From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Re: Rivethead-aero
    If you get the parts John....thats the problem! Enough said we shall see regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:57 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero > > When he is the only one producing the parts, don't think this will > actually happen to him. > > We are lucky to get what we get! > > John G. > > >>From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net> >>To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero >>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:10:51 -0500 >> >><rvbuilder@sausen.net> >> >>He might want to try responding to his customers before he finds himself >>with a lot of free time and no one buying. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Groves >>Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:07 PM >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero >> >> >> Trust me Dave is fine and he is still there making Parts, He is just >> very very busy. >> Kirk >> > >> > From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com> >> > Date: 2007/09/18 Tue PM 07:27:09 EDT >> > To: RV 10 list <rv10-list@matronics.com> >> > Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead-aero >> > >> > >> > Has anyone had any real contact with www.Rivethead-aero.com (Full >>Throttle Concepts) in the last two weeks or so? I have been trying to >>contact them by email and phone -no reply to my emails and their voicemail >>box has been full since last week. Also today I noticed their website has >>expired and reverted to a "link site". I hope they haven't gone away but >>it doesn't look good. So if you know anything please prove me wrong. Also >>if David could reassure the group that all is well and explain what is >>going on that would be great. >> > >> > Vern Smith >> > >> > do not archive >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger >>Caf. >> > http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 03:53:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Empty weight
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    Albert, valuable post...knowing the left to right differential is important and great to read. Did you mount your batteries right of the longitudinal centerline? John Cox Oregon -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:00 AM Subject: RV10-List: Empty weight <ibspud@roadrunner.com> I weighed N991RV yesterday as part of getting ready for the DAR. Left wheel: 659 lbs., right wheel: 665 lbs., nose wheel: 310 lbs. Total: 1634 lbs. Eguipment: Dynon 180 & 100, sl30, sl40, ps8000 audio, truetrak, full flightline interior (not leather) overhead console, painted, aerocomposits 3 blade prop, soundproofing under floor. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 04:31:50 PM PST US
    From: German Alvarez <german.alvarez@playalinda.net>
    Subject: The end of Selective Availability (SA) on GPS
    Not specific to the RV-10, but good news, future GPS satellites will not even have the SA feature. http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/09/us-ends-gps-cri.html http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=GPS+%22Selective+Availability%22&btnG=Search --ga


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    Time: 08:06:50 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Empty weight
    Great data point Albert, thanks for sharing. How about the same for more of the finished airplanes? Also the empty CG location would be nice to know. Dick Sipp N110DV 40065 finishing frenzy at airport > I weighed N991RV yesterday as part of getting ready for the DAR. > Left wheel: 659 lbs., right wheel: 665 lbs., nose wheel: 310 lbs. > Total: 1634 lbs. > > Eguipment: Dynon 180 & 100, sl30, sl40, ps8000 audio, truetrak, full > flightline interior (not leather) overhead console, painted, aerocomposits > 3 blade prop, soundproofing under floor. > > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 08:44:54 PM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Empty weight
    The battery is in Vans location on the centerline. I was a little surprised to see the extra 6 lbs. on the right wheel. The trutrak servo is in the right wing so that's certainly part of the difference but I didn't weigh it before I installed it. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- Albert, valuable post...knowing the left to right differential is important and great to read. Did you mount your batteries right of the longitudinal centerline? John Cox Oregon


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    Time: 08:44:54 PM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Empty weight
    OK Dick, here are the calculations of empty C.G. The main wheel arm lengths (and all other arm lengths as well) came from Vans. I didn't measure them myself. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ Datum 99.44 Inches forward of wing leading edge. (L.E.) Design C.G. Range 15%-30% of wing chord, or 8.4 - 16.8 inches from L.E., or 107.84 - 116.24 inches aft of Datum. Wing L.E. 99.44 inches aft of Datum. Fuel 108.9" aft of datum Pilot & Front Seat Passenger 114.58" aft of datum. Rear Seat Passenger(s) 151.26" aft of datum. Baggage 173.5" aft of datum. Max 100 lbs. Aircraft is initially weighed empty in level flight attitude. Includes all engine fluids and non usable fuel. Airplane CG Weight Arm Moment Main wheel, right 665 124.44 82,752.60 Main wheel, left 659 124.31 81,920.29 Nose wheel 310 50.44 15,636.40 Totals 1,634 180,309.29 C.G. 110.35


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    Time: 11:20:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rivethead-aero
    From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
    I wish I also had received a mail or order confirmation. Still hoping Michael www.wellenzohn.net (engine mounted yesterday and put her on the wheels the day before) -------- RV-10 builder (fuselage) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135433#135433


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    Time: 11:29:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Brake cylinder assembly question
    From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
    Hello, just a quick question on the brake cylinder as described on page 46-07 Step 2&3. Both cylinder are identical that means I have two "left sides" because the bleeder valve on the right side points up and not down. Was it the same with yours? Also it calls for AD822-4D elbow fittings but they wont fit in the threaded holes in the cylinder (hole is too small). 2.Question Front tire tube installation, did you remove all washers even the one which protects the tube see attached picture (washer on the right). -------- RV-10 builder (fuselage) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135434#135434 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wheels026_787.jpg




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