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1. 06:58 AM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (linn Walters)
2. 08:21 AM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (Vernon Smith)
3. 10:24 AM - RV-10 Builders in the UK needed (Michael Wellenzohn)
4. 12:27 PM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (bob.kaufmann)
5. 03:45 PM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (Larry Rosen)
6. 05:19 PM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (bob.kaufmann)
7. 05:19 PM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (Rick Sked)
8. 07:50 PM - interior sun screens (Wayne Edgerton)
9. 09:27 PM - Re: interior sun screens (Vernon Smith)
10. 09:41 PM - Nose Fork Break Out Force (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co |
Just curious why? In my mind it's just like any 'product' ..... wheel
axles, door actuators, .......
An improvement (maybe) on an item that we may need. But that's just my
opinion.
Linn
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Albert Gardner wrote:
>
>I think this letter is a prime example of what should NOT be on the RV-10
>List.
>Albert Gardner
>Yuma, AZ
>
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> Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co
>posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
>Bob Kaufmann Rick Sked
>Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co. Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co.
>bob@AIRCRAFTMUTUAL.COM rick@AIRCRAFTMUTUAL.COM
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| Subject: | Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co |
I would like to add a few questions.
1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft?
2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull value
?
3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be accounted fo
r?
That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s.
I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10 owner wil
l.
Thanks,
Vern Smith (#324)
> From: rv10@sinkrate.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV10-L
ist: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700> > -
or Bob,> > Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable forma
t such as a> PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for e
asy printing.> > Also a few questions...> > 1) Does one have to have a comp
leted airplane to buy in or obtain coverage> through Aircraft Mutual?> > 2)
How much is required right now up front and how much of that is> refundabl
e if things don't fly (pun intended)?> > 3) Is this limited to RV's?> > 3)
What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many> peopl
e will be on the payroll?> > 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if y
ou have your GPS antenna> mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved locati
on (which from my best> recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story
ham radio antenna pole> under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)?> > Forgiv
e me if these were covered already as I usually have to read> everything at
least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for> debate. We won't
talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans either as> 3 times is just
getting started!> > Ben Westfall> #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take com
========================> >
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders in the UK needed |
Hello UK -10 Builders,
I'd like to talk to you regarding the certification status from the PFA of the
RV-10 because this will make the certification in CH way easier.
Please contact me offline at RV-10(at)wellenzohn.net
Best Regards
Michael
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#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137023#137023
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| Subject: | Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co |
I would like to add a few questions.
1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft? The valuation will
be what you say, with the exception of the valuation of the group. If you
say its worth $200,000 for an RV 9 then than value is way out of line with
the other 9s and we are going to value it with the group, not your value
unless you have some super secret encoder ring on board that makes the value
that much.
2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull value?
The membership fee is a one time investment and annual coverage costs are
dependent on hull value.
3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be accounted
for? Those people that are flying a RV 4 will obviously pay less than those
people that are flying RV-10s. There are a lot of different valuation bases
available for accounting for the model differences. A big first start is
what is the valuation that you now have and are paying for.
That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s. We will
insure RVs only, not anything else.
I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10 owner
will. I agree and they should not pay the same but they should still
receive the same percentage savings as the RV10 owner. (and the same
percentage applied to their savings account)
Thanks,
Vern Smith (#324)
Thanks for the questions
Bob K
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co
I would like to add a few questions.
1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft?
2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull value?
3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be accounted
for?
That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s.
I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10 owner
will.
Thanks,
Vern Smith (#324)
_____
> From: rv10@sinkrate.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700
>
>
> Rick or Bob,
>
> Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable format such as
a
> PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for easy
printing.
>
> Also a few questions...
>
> 1) Does one have to have a completed airplane to buy in or obtain coverage
> through Aircraft Mutual?
>
> 2) How much is required right now up front and how much of that is
> refundable if things don't fly (pun intended)?
>
> 3) Is this limited to RV's?
>
> 3) What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many
> people will be on the payroll?
>
> 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if you have your GPS antenna
> mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved location (which from my best
> recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story ham radio antenna pole
> under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)?
>
> Forgive me if these were covered already as I usually have to read
> everything at least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for
> debate. We won't talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans either as
> 3 times is just getting started!
>
> Ben Westfall
> #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take comfort by saying I'm half way)
>=======================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co |
And a few more questions from me:
Will the membership fee vary by pilot experience and/or rating?
Since this program is for hull damage only, how difficult is it to get
liability only insurance?
What percentage of the $3-4k annual insurance premium is for liability?
Larry Rosen
#356
Vernon Smith wrote:
> I would like to add a few questions.
>
> 1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft?
>
> 2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull
> value?
>
> 3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be
> accounted for?
> That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s.
> I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10
> owner will.
> Thanks,
>
> Vern Smith (#324)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > From: rv10@sinkrate.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co
> > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700
> >
> >
> > Rick or Bob,
> >
> > Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable format
> such as a
> > PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for easy
> printing.
> >
> > Also a few questions...
> >
> > 1) Does one have to have a completed airplane to buy in or obtain
> coverage
> > through Aircraft Mutual?
> >
> > 2) How much is required right now up front and how much of that is
> > refundable if things don't fly (pun intended)?
> >
> > 3) Is this limited to RV's?
> >
> > 3) What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many
> > people will be on the payroll?
> >
> > 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if you have your GPS antenna
> > mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved location (which from my best
> > recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story ham radio antenna
> pole
> > under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)?
> >
> > Forgive me if these were covered already as I usually have to read
> > everything at least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for
> > debate. We won't talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans
> either as
> > 3 times is just getting started!
> >
> > Ben Westfall
> > #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take comfort by saying I'm half way)
> >=======================
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co |
No the membership fee will not vary, but we are planning on covering hull,
liability and builders ins. The cost for individual coverage will vary
depending on experience and ratings.
Bob K
If you are going to LOE look me up, and I'll answer everything, or give me a
call at 702 767-3587 which is my cell.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co
And a few more questions from me:
Will the membership fee vary by pilot experience and/or rating?
Since this program is for hull damage only, how difficult is it to get
liability only insurance?
What percentage of the $3-4k annual insurance premium is for liability?
Larry Rosen
#356
Vernon Smith wrote:
> I would like to add a few questions.
>
> 1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft?
>
> 2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull
> value?
>
> 3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be
> accounted for?
> That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s.
> I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10
> owner will.
> Thanks,
>
> Vern Smith (#324)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > From: rv10@sinkrate.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co
> > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700
> >
> >
> > Rick or Bob,
> >
> > Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable format
> such as a
> > PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for easy
> printing.
> >
> > Also a few questions...
> >
> > 1) Does one have to have a completed airplane to buy in or obtain
> coverage
> > through Aircraft Mutual?
> >
> > 2) How much is required right now up front and how much of that is
> > refundable if things don't fly (pun intended)?
> >
> > 3) Is this limited to RV's?
> >
> > 3) What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many
> > people will be on the payroll?
> >
> > 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if you have your GPS antenna
> > mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved location (which from my best
> > recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story ham radio antenna
> pole
> > under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)?
> >
> > Forgive me if these were covered already as I usually have to read
> > everything at least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for
> > debate. We won't talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans
> either as
> > 3 times is just getting started!
> >
> > Ben Westfall
> > #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take comfort by saying I'm half way)
> >=======================
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co |
Actually Larry we are working to make it a complete package with liability and
hull coverage, in the future I would like to be able to get hangar owners coverage
which I already have through a group plan/member brokered through AIG. 3500
SF hangar with a full blown sprinkler system, modern construction and it's
$1200 a year....Tin sheds are like tinder boxes you know!!
The details of actual premium will be based on stated value of each hull and the
experience level of the pilot on liability, liability coverage has been relatively
cheap compared to hull.
This is only my guestimate but my initial figure for liability only would be 30
percent of the entire cost but that's based strictly on my best guess, the liability
coverage shares contributors from MANY insureds so the input is larger
than just hull coverage which a lot of people do not carry, liability on the
other hand is required to operate out of many airports so more pilots have it,
and rightly so, it's one thing to lose a $150K airplane, a $1,000,000 lawsuit
for hitting a house is another.
And I REALLY like the builders risk portion....any hands on how many people carry
builders risk and have had to make a claim on it?
Rick Sked
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Rosen" <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:44:48 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co
And a few more questions from me:
Will the membership fee vary by pilot experience and/or rating?
Since this program is for hull damage only, how difficult is it to get
liability only insurance?
What percentage of the $3-4k annual insurance premium is for liability?
Larry Rosen
#356
Vernon Smith wrote:
> I would like to add a few questions.
>
> 1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft?
>
> 2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull
> value?
>
> 3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be
> accounted for?
> That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s.
> I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10
> owner will.
> Thanks,
>
> Vern Smith (#324)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > From: rv10@sinkrate.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co
> > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700
> >
> >
> > Rick or Bob,
> >
> > Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable format
> such as a
> > PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for easy
> printing.
> >
> > Also a few questions...
> >
> > 1) Does one have to have a completed airplane to buy in or obtain
> coverage
> > through Aircraft Mutual?
> >
> > 2) How much is required right now up front and how much of that is
> > refundable if things don't fly (pun intended)?
> >
> > 3) Is this limited to RV's?
> >
> > 3) What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many
> > people will be on the payroll?
> >
> > 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if you have your GPS antenna
> > mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved location (which from my best
> > recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story ham radio antenna
> pole
> > under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)?
> >
> > Forgive me if these were covered already as I usually have to read
> > everything at least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for
> > debate. We won't talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans
> either as
> > 3 times is just getting started!
> >
> > Ben Westfall
> > #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take comfort by saying I'm half way)
> >=======================
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | interior sun screens |
Have any of you made or found interior sun scrrens for the 10 for when
it's setting out on the ramp? I'm planning on flying over to LOE and
just got to thinking that I don't have any of these yet.
Wayne Edgerton N602Wt
Coming out of paint shop on Manday I've attached a couple of previw
pictures fo the progress thus far.
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| Subject: | interior sun screens |
Wow, the plane looks great!!!Are you thinking of something that goes inside
the windows or a canopy cover? Cleveland Tool does have a light weight cov
er and Van's also sells one.
Kennon makes a product called Super Sun Shields. Its kind of a aluminized c
over that sits inside the window to block the sun. Aircraft Spruce carries
it. I can't commit on it as I have only used canopy covers.
Vern Smith (#324)
From: wayne.e@grandecom.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: i
nterior sun screensDate: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:48:03 -0500
Have any of you made or found interior sun scrrens for the 10 for when it's
setting out on the ramp? I'm planning on flying over to LOE and just got t
o thinking that I don't have any of these yet.
Wayne Edgerton N602Wt
Coming out of paint shop on Manday I've attached a couple of previw picture
s fo the progress thus far.
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| Subject: | Nose Fork Break Out Force |
I got around to checking my nose fork break out force tonight after Joe Zac
informed me that the shake in my nose gear was scary when observing my la
nding last weekend from the ground. I had noticed the speed band where I f
elt the shake had increased but never got around to checking it. I measure
d the break out force at 2 lbs vice 24lbs per Van's instructions. It's app
arent the break out force decreased substantially after 93 hours. Tighteni
ng the nut two more flats as Tim Olson calls it brought it back up to 22lbs
I wiggled the nose gear a few times and measured again. It went down to
15lbs. Tightened one more flat brought it up to 27lbs. I decided to leav
e it there.
Make sure you check your break out force perhaps every 20 hours or so. My c
upped washers were spinning freely before I started to work on it tonight.
Anh
N591VU Flying
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