---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/28/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:58 AM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (linn Walters) 2. 08:21 AM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (Vernon Smith) 3. 10:24 AM - RV-10 Builders in the UK needed (Michael Wellenzohn) 4. 12:27 PM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (bob.kaufmann) 5. 03:45 PM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (Larry Rosen) 6. 05:19 PM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (bob.kaufmann) 7. 05:19 PM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co (Rick Sked) 8. 07:50 PM - interior sun screens (Wayne Edgerton) 9. 09:27 PM - Re: interior sun screens (Vernon Smith) 10. 09:41 PM - Nose Fork Break Out Force (DejaVu) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:41 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co Just curious why? In my mind it's just like any 'product' ..... wheel axles, door actuators, ....... An improvement (maybe) on an item that we may need. But that's just my opinion. Linn do not archive Albert Gardner wrote: > >I think this letter is a prime example of what should NOT be on the RV-10 >List. >Albert Gardner >Yuma, AZ > >-----Original Message----- > Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co >posted by: "bob.kaufmann" >Bob Kaufmann Rick Sked >Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co. Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co. >bob@AIRCRAFTMUTUAL.COM rick@AIRCRAFTMUTUAL.COM > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:25 AM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co I would like to add a few questions. 1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft? 2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull value ? 3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be accounted fo r? That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s. I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10 owner wil l. Thanks, Vern Smith (#324) > From: rv10@sinkrate.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV10-L ist: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700> > - or Bob,> > Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable forma t such as a> PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for e asy printing.> > Also a few questions...> > 1) Does one have to have a comp leted airplane to buy in or obtain coverage> through Aircraft Mutual?> > 2) How much is required right now up front and how much of that is> refundabl e if things don't fly (pun intended)?> > 3) Is this limited to RV's?> > 3) What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many> peopl e will be on the payroll?> > 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if y ou have your GPS antenna> mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved locati on (which from my best> recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story ham radio antenna pole> under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)?> > Forgiv e me if these were covered already as I usually have to read> everything at least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for> debate. We won't talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans either as> 3 times is just getting started!> > Ben Westfall> #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take com ========================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger- http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&sourc e=wlmailtagline ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:42 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Builders in the UK needed From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Hello UK -10 Builders, I'd like to talk to you regarding the certification status from the PFA of the RV-10 because this will make the certification in CH way easier. Please contact me offline at RV-10(at)wellenzohn.net Best Regards Michael -------- RV-10 builder (fuselage) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137023#137023 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:48 PM PST US From: "bob.kaufmann" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co I would like to add a few questions. 1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft? The valuation will be what you say, with the exception of the valuation of the group. If you say its worth $200,000 for an RV 9 then than value is way out of line with the other 9s and we are going to value it with the group, not your value unless you have some super secret encoder ring on board that makes the value that much. 2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull value? The membership fee is a one time investment and annual coverage costs are dependent on hull value. 3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be accounted for? Those people that are flying a RV 4 will obviously pay less than those people that are flying RV-10s. There are a lot of different valuation bases available for accounting for the model differences. A big first start is what is the valuation that you now have and are paying for. That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s. We will insure RVs only, not anything else. I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10 owner will. I agree and they should not pay the same but they should still receive the same percentage savings as the RV10 owner. (and the same percentage applied to their savings account) Thanks, Vern Smith (#324) Thanks for the questions Bob K From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co I would like to add a few questions. 1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft? 2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull value? 3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be accounted for? That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s. I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10 owner will. Thanks, Vern Smith (#324) _____ > From: rv10@sinkrate.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700 > > > Rick or Bob, > > Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable format such as a > PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for easy printing. > > Also a few questions... > > 1) Does one have to have a completed airplane to buy in or obtain coverage > through Aircraft Mutual? > > 2) How much is required right now up front and how much of that is > refundable if things don't fly (pun intended)? > > 3) Is this limited to RV's? > > 3) What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many > people will be on the payroll? > > 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if you have your GPS antenna > mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved location (which from my best > recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story ham radio antenna pole > under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)? > > Forgive me if these were covered already as I usually have to read > everything at least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for > debate. We won't talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans either as > 3 times is just getting started! > > Ben Westfall > #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take comfort by saying I'm half way) >======================= > > > _____ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:43 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co And a few more questions from me: Will the membership fee vary by pilot experience and/or rating? Since this program is for hull damage only, how difficult is it to get liability only insurance? What percentage of the $3-4k annual insurance premium is for liability? Larry Rosen #356 Vernon Smith wrote: > I would like to add a few questions. > > 1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft? > > 2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull > value? > > 3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be > accounted for? > That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s. > I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10 > owner will. > Thanks, > > Vern Smith (#324) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From: rv10@sinkrate.com > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co > > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700 > > > > > > Rick or Bob, > > > > Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable format > such as a > > PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for easy > printing. > > > > Also a few questions... > > > > 1) Does one have to have a completed airplane to buy in or obtain > coverage > > through Aircraft Mutual? > > > > 2) How much is required right now up front and how much of that is > > refundable if things don't fly (pun intended)? > > > > 3) Is this limited to RV's? > > > > 3) What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many > > people will be on the payroll? > > > > 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if you have your GPS antenna > > mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved location (which from my best > > recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story ham radio antenna > pole > > under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)? > > > > Forgive me if these were covered already as I usually have to read > > everything at least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for > > debate. We won't talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans > either as > > 3 times is just getting started! > > > > Ben Westfall > > #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take comfort by saying I'm half way) > >======================= > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:15 PM PST US From: "bob.kaufmann" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co No the membership fee will not vary, but we are planning on covering hull, liability and builders ins. The cost for individual coverage will vary depending on experience and ratings. Bob K If you are going to LOE look me up, and I'll answer everything, or give me a call at 702 767-3587 which is my cell. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co And a few more questions from me: Will the membership fee vary by pilot experience and/or rating? Since this program is for hull damage only, how difficult is it to get liability only insurance? What percentage of the $3-4k annual insurance premium is for liability? Larry Rosen #356 Vernon Smith wrote: > I would like to add a few questions. > > 1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft? > > 2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull > value? > > 3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be > accounted for? > That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s. > I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10 > owner will. > Thanks, > > Vern Smith (#324) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From: rv10@sinkrate.com > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co > > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700 > > > > > > Rick or Bob, > > > > Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable format > such as a > > PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for easy > printing. > > > > Also a few questions... > > > > 1) Does one have to have a completed airplane to buy in or obtain > coverage > > through Aircraft Mutual? > > > > 2) How much is required right now up front and how much of that is > > refundable if things don't fly (pun intended)? > > > > 3) Is this limited to RV's? > > > > 3) What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many > > people will be on the payroll? > > > > 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if you have your GPS antenna > > mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved location (which from my best > > recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story ham radio antenna > pole > > under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)? > > > > Forgive me if these were covered already as I usually have to read > > everything at least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for > > debate. We won't talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans > either as > > 3 times is just getting started! > > > > Ben Westfall > > #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take comfort by saying I'm half way) > >======================= > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:16 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co Actually Larry we are working to make it a complete package with liability and hull coverage, in the future I would like to be able to get hangar owners coverage which I already have through a group plan/member brokered through AIG. 3500 SF hangar with a full blown sprinkler system, modern construction and it's $1200 a year....Tin sheds are like tinder boxes you know!! The details of actual premium will be based on stated value of each hull and the experience level of the pilot on liability, liability coverage has been relatively cheap compared to hull. This is only my guestimate but my initial figure for liability only would be 30 percent of the entire cost but that's based strictly on my best guess, the liability coverage shares contributors from MANY insureds so the input is larger than just hull coverage which a lot of people do not carry, liability on the other hand is required to operate out of many airports so more pilots have it, and rightly so, it's one thing to lose a $150K airplane, a $1,000,000 lawsuit for hitting a house is another. And I REALLY like the builders risk portion....any hands on how many people carry builders risk and have had to make a claim on it? Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Rosen" Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:44:48 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co And a few more questions from me: Will the membership fee vary by pilot experience and/or rating? Since this program is for hull damage only, how difficult is it to get liability only insurance? What percentage of the $3-4k annual insurance premium is for liability? Larry Rosen #356 Vernon Smith wrote: > I would like to add a few questions. > > 1. Will there be a cap to the valuation of an aircraft? > > 2. Is the annual membership fee varied by an individual's stated hull > value? > > 3. How will the differences in valuation between RV models be > accounted for? > That is assuming this program is geared to more than just RV10s. > I don't think a RV9A owner would be willing to pay what a RV10 > owner will. > Thanks, > > Vern Smith (#324) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From: rv10@sinkrate.com > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit Co > > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:53:02 -0700 > > > > > > Rick or Bob, > > > > Can you provide the text on your website in a downloadable format > such as a > > PDF file? I cannot figure out how to copy the flash text for easy > printing. > > > > Also a few questions... > > > > 1) Does one have to have a completed airplane to buy in or obtain > coverage > > through Aircraft Mutual? > > > > 2) How much is required right now up front and how much of that is > > refundable if things don't fly (pun intended)? > > > > 3) Is this limited to RV's? > > > > 3) What are the expected operating expenses of the company and how many > > people will be on the payroll? > > > > 4) Is it only possible to obtain coverage if you have your GPS antenna > > mounted in a RV-10 matronics list approved location (which from my best > > recollection is at home atop your standard 6 story ham radio antenna > pole > > under 1/8 inch thick fiberglass housing)? > > > > Forgive me if these were covered already as I usually have to read > > everything at least 3 times before things sink in and that's open for > > debate. We won't talk about this in reference to the RV-10 plans > either as > > 3 times is just getting started! > > > > Ben Westfall > > #40579 - (I'm lying to myself to take comfort by saying I'm half way) > >======================= > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:29 PM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: RV10-List: interior sun screens Have any of you made or found interior sun scrrens for the 10 for when it's setting out on the ramp? I'm planning on flying over to LOE and just got to thinking that I don't have any of these yet. Wayne Edgerton N602Wt Coming out of paint shop on Manday I've attached a couple of previw pictures fo the progress thus far. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:41 PM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: interior sun screens Wow, the plane looks great!!!Are you thinking of something that goes inside the windows or a canopy cover? Cleveland Tool does have a light weight cov er and Van's also sells one. Kennon makes a product called Super Sun Shields. Its kind of a aluminized c over that sits inside the window to block the sun. Aircraft Spruce carries it. I can't commit on it as I have only used canopy covers. Vern Smith (#324) From: wayne.e@grandecom.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: i nterior sun screensDate: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:48:03 -0500 Have any of you made or found interior sun scrrens for the 10 for when it's setting out on the ramp? I'm planning on flying over to LOE and just got t o thinking that I don't have any of these yet. Wayne Edgerton N602Wt Coming out of paint shop on Manday I've attached a couple of previw picture s fo the progress thus far. _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista E ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:55 PM PST US From: "DejaVu" Subject: RV10-List: Nose Fork Break Out Force I got around to checking my nose fork break out force tonight after Joe Zac informed me that the shake in my nose gear was scary when observing my la nding last weekend from the ground. I had noticed the speed band where I f elt the shake had increased but never got around to checking it. I measure d the break out force at 2 lbs vice 24lbs per Van's instructions. It's app arent the break out force decreased substantially after 93 hours. Tighteni ng the nut two more flats as Tim Olson calls it brought it back up to 22lbs I wiggled the nose gear a few times and measured again. It went down to 15lbs. Tightened one more flat brought it up to 27lbs. I decided to leav e it there. Make sure you check your break out force perhaps every 20 hours or so. My c upped washers were spinning freely before I started to work on it tonight. 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